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March 02, 2023, 01:33:18 PM
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How are XMR speculators doing these days?

Wow, seems like this thread got very quiet all of a sudden  Cheesy

Price has since pulled back to the 50 & 200 WMA golden cross, but so far this week has failed to bounce from this level.

As an update, and as I suspected, Monero has failed to find support from the Weekly golden cross. Probably because this golden cross of 50 WMA and 200 WMA is such a lagging indicator:



I think the next target is back down to 0.004 BTC based on the volume gap, unless price can quickly rebound back above 200 WMA. Main issue appears to be the declining volume since last year (hence gap). As I previously referenced it was a solid 150%+ move to the upside in 2022, but looks like the rally is over. In hindsight, there was never the volume to support such a breakout in the first place.

Meanwhile, XMRUSD is struggling to hold onto it's bullish trending 200 WMA at volume support, so a retest of $100 might well be on the cards if unable to consolidate at volume support. So maybe Bitcoin will stay flat in the coming weeks/months and the re-test of 0.004 BTC coincides with $100, or otherwise Bitcoin to reach $30K, with XMR maintaining around $150 but otherwise falling to 0.004 BTC. That'd be my guess.

There's an irony that BTCUSD is currently struggling at it's Weekly death cross, but just like XMRBTC hasn't found support from it's golden cross, it seems likely Bitcoin can break through it's "lagging" death cross.

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March 02, 2023, 10:54:03 PM
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Wow, seems like this thread got very quiet all of a sudden  Cheesy

Really it's been quiet in here for quite some time...

Meanwhile, XMRUSD is struggling to hold onto it's bullish trending 200 WMA at volume support, so a retest of $100 might well be on the cards if unable to consolidate at volume support. So maybe Bitcoin will stay flat in the coming weeks/months and the re-test of 0.004 BTC coincides with $100, or otherwise Bitcoin to reach $30K, with XMR maintaining around $150 but otherwise falling to 0.004 BTC. That'd be my guess.

There's an irony that BTCUSD is currently struggling at it's Weekly death cross, but just like XMRBTC hasn't found support from it's golden cross, it seems likely Bitcoin can break through it's "lagging" death cross.

Your calls tend to be quite good... we will see.

I do not know how long it lasts, but Monero seems to be one of the few "crypto" projects with a REAL use case.  And one at odds with BTC.
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March 13, 2023, 01:19:54 PM
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^  I don't know how long it'll last too but it seems like with all the jpegs *cough lmaooo cough* in BTC started ruffling some maxis' feathers, I think some of those guys will secretly start having some appreciation for XMR for transactions.  And who knows, some of them might be starting to get into XMR.  But there's def no way to prove it and that's exactly why they'll do it.  Grin

Oh and again with all the jpegs in BTC, they'll stop thinking XMR is at odds with BTC.  XMR is going to be their go to in case something breaks.  

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March 14, 2023, 07:42:31 PM
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I am finished with Monero. Think about that. They put them in a South African prison, one of the most dangerous in the world. Don't you think he'll tell the authorities how to trace the transaction and who the team members are etc. to get a less severe sentence? I'm sure he will. Entire chain is compromised now.
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March 14, 2023, 08:05:51 PM
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Meanwhile, XMRUSD is struggling to hold onto it's bullish trending 200 WMA at volume support, so a retest of $100 might well be on the cards if unable to consolidate at volume support. So maybe Bitcoin will stay flat in the coming weeks/months and the re-test of 0.004 BTC coincides with $100, or otherwise Bitcoin to reach $30K, with XMR maintaining around $150 but otherwise falling to 0.004 BTC. That'd be my guess.

There's an irony that BTCUSD is currently struggling at it's Weekly death cross, but just like XMRBTC hasn't found support from it's golden cross, it seems likely Bitcoin can break through it's "lagging" death cross.

Your calls tend to be quite good... we will see.

I do not know how long it lasts, but Monero seems to be one of the few "crypto" projects with a REAL use case.  And one at odds with BTC.

I think long-term it still has some potential, somehow, at least fundamentally. But this year, I'm not expecting anything "good" to happen, at least not until end of the year maybe.

For reference sake XMR/BTC this week is getting heavily rejected by 200 WMA that's trending downwards in bearish formation, despite the golden cross with 50 WMA:



This probably has less to do with Monero and more to do with Bitcoin however. BTC dominance is bouncing strong this week after the recovery from $20K to $25K, as opposed to falling further. Starting to get the 2019 vibes of a continued recovery for Bitcoin that leaves alts in the dust, regardless of how relevant they are. Ethereum being another example of failing to keep up with the no.1 reserve asset this week.

Many will probably argue this is do with SVB, and therefore the mentality of investors fleeing fiat or banks for a reserve asset such as Bitcoin, as opposed to speculating on altcoins. But personally I think this is just the recovery stage of the bear market whereby Bitcoin outperforms the the rest of the market and would of happened regardless, eventually, and least this year at some point.

Another year of consolidation in the current wide range of 0.04 and 0.08 could be the ingredient needed for something relevant to happen for this coin though.


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March 14, 2023, 08:10:49 PM
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I am finished with Monero. Think about that. They put them in a South African prison, one of the most dangerous in the world. Don't you think he'll tell the authorities how to trace the transaction and who the team members are etc. to get a less severe sentence? I'm sure he will. Entire chain is compromised now.





AFA price, binance is suppressing on low volume and since I've personally held everything for years I have no issue holding longer.

They will break with their manipulation tactics eventually and those selling now will be crying a river.

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March 16, 2023, 10:10:09 AM
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Double bump...

Bump.

If anyone is interested, I would like to sell the following domains related to this project:

cryptokingdom.me
cryptokingdom.com
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The .me domain was the original one Risto used, and I had to acquire the .com on the secondary market since he didn't think to register it when he started the project.

Additionally, I am willing to sell the complete game database and source code. The code is nothing fancy at all. Actually you'll be shocked at how bad it is considering how much Risto spent on it. But someone could possibly use the database and historic price data to create NFTs or a reboot or something. I mean there are some insane levels of "proof of burn" or "proof of value" to Crypto Kingdom items, considering items as pointless as unicorns went for 1000+ XMR in the past.

The database also has user email and account information, so if you wanted to airdrop assets to old users, it is possible for those that included a way to recover their accounts.

Please contact me via direct message if interested.


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I'll let that spam-ish post go but please don't post it again here
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March 18, 2023, 01:20:41 PM
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Heck!

ChipMixer was seized by US and German authorities.
1909.4 Bitcoin in 55 Transactions (44.2 Million Euro) with 7 TB Data seized. The most famous Mixer on this forum ended their journey.



http://chipmixer.com/

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I'll let that spam-ish post go but please don't post it again here

I'd have given you 20 merit had you deleted it. Wink  But smooth has a light hand... that's good I think Wink
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March 18, 2023, 03:26:02 PM
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Heck!

ChipMixer was seized by US and German authorities.
1909.4 Bitcoin in 55 Transactions (44.2 Million Euro) with 7 TB Data seized. The most famous Mixer on this forum ended their journey.



http://chipmixer.com/

https://www.europol.europa.eu/media-press/newsroom/news/one-of-darkwebs-largest-cryptocurrency-laundromats-washed-out


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Yeah just found out as I saw Welsh's sig is gone.  It sucks that it happened...  Stay safe out there.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1574581/download

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Prepare for a Saturday long Ramble...  it will be very Bitcoin centric, but will come around to Monero in the end...



This probably has less to do with Monero and more to do with Bitcoin however.
BTC dominance is bouncing strong this week after the recovery from $20K to $25K, as opposed to falling further. Starting to get the 2019 vibes of a continued recovery for Bitcoin that leaves alts in the dust, regardless of how relevant they are. Ethereum being another example of failing to keep up with the no.1 reserve asset this week.

Many will probably argue this is do with SVB, and therefore the mentality of investors fleeing fiat or banks for a reserve asset such as Bitcoin, as opposed to speculating on altcoins. But personally I think this is just the recovery stage of the bear market whereby Bitcoin outperforms the the rest of the market and would of happened regardless, eventually, and least this year at some point.

Another year of consolidation in the current wide range of 0.04 and 0.08 could be the ingredient needed for something relevant to happen for this coin though.


Agree to a great extent.  And I think the price rise DOES have to do with SVB as well as the other (and coming) bank failures, but is ALSO a recovery from the bear market, as well as the natural progression of Bitcoin's path. I think we are currently  looking at yet another contender for a Bitcoin perfect storm.   I will add some fundamental analysis to your technical magnificence.  (And keep it at least a little on topic by the end, promise)

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  Bitcoin is 14+ years old.  Still survives.  Almost everyone with money has heard of it by now.  People WITHOUT money have TOTALLY got the message and are USING it.  The value prop is understood by a significant (probably still minority) portion of folks.

FTX (Crypto):
The smarter folks can see what FTX was:  A crypto based super ponzi.  And some of them REALLY know what it was: shadow gvmt attack on BTC, money laundering ring in collusion with TPTB.  And people realize that Bitcoin is the one thing they DID NOT HOLD.  The real meat here is still fairly badly misunderstood, but it's a continuum of understanding that at LEAST outlines that Bitcoin is unique.  It's just the western 'man on the street' that does not know the difference.  Smart money sees it, and people like the Nigerians get it.  Folks are FINALLY starting to see what is wrong with the giant do-everything blockchain model.

Ordinals! 
This one is actually funny to me.  It is badly misunderstood by most people... one side sees it as a great boon for Bitcoin that it can "do what ETH does!  Whee!" and the other side is wringing their hands over "misuse of chain space! OMG!".  And, well, there is also the folks who see it as a way to attack or embarrass Bitcoin.  But this is just another round of all the same misunderstandings that have driven value into BCASH (et al), ETH and so many other scams.  Of course Bitcoin can do what ETH does.  It will just do it the right way in the end.  Primarily OFF CHAIN with hashes written to the base layer.  And blockspace will all be used.  Every single bit of it.  Every single block, in the end.  And we will keep fighting about how to manage this part of Bitcoin's properties for decades past our lifetimes, I predict.  In the end what Ordinals is hinting at is the development that will go into the Bitcoin ecosystem that will pretty much rip the rug out of every other value prop alts have.  (Yes, maybe even Monero... but nuance there still, IMO)

The perfect geo-political storm:   We are seeing this unfold now.  And it is too much to really hit all the points here, but Wars, rumors of wars, pandemics, bio weapons, the fall of the US, the rise of China, the energy sector beginning to move from petro to minerals, the rise of Africa, the unveiling of the CIA state that is the west, the attempt at a socialist world order by the "elites", the decline of the $, CDBCs, and on and on.

The perfect macro storm:    Like the prior this is huge, and too much to write about... but we are seeing the effects of the FIAT meltdown begin to ripple out over the entire world economic stage.   This is where the Bitcoin value prop has a chance to really ignite demand.  If you have a lot of value you are most certainly moving it around now (if you had not already started) and for the first time in it's history Bitcoin is a real contender for a risky, but attractive store of value.

In fact, THAT is what I believe we are ABOUT to witness... Little teenage bitcoin is going to solidify it's place in the world as a legitimate and unique store of value.  What I believe this looks like (I am been saying this for years... so eventually I will either be right or just look crazier each time) is a breathtaking rise in the value as the scales finally get tipped by demand.  Most people think that has already happened.  I think it most definitely has not.  Eventually Bitcoin will be worth way too much for the sorts of wild swings we have seen in it's history so far as nearly impossible to occur again.  It would take too much value moving in and out to make any sense.  We are simply not there yet. The APPL market cap still is more than FOUR TIMES the market cap of Bitcoin.  Just APPL.  Eventually this will no longer be the case.  And I believe the market cap in BTC will be large enough for people to be able to do trades in it close to the entire value of it currently without moving the price all that much.  I have no idea what that value is... but it is likely several multiples of the market cap of APPL (and GOOG, and MSFT, and Gold, and... and...) .

It is not going to take very many people deciding to move a very SMALL amount of their value (which is currently, obviously at risk) into Bitcoin as a "crazy hedge" to tip these scales.  We have been building this powder keg for YEARS, and we are just about there now.

Monero?  So... as we watch the world financial system(s) undergo the greatest turmoil since ~1971 we are also starting to see these powerful pushes further and further away from privacy.  The central banks, who hold ALL THE POWER in the world, realize they have to RUSH to get their digital products out.  And even the common schmuck is beginning to realize we are headed into a world in which privacy is an archaic value of the past.  And Bitcoin, for better and worse, is a transparent ledger.  Monero is perfectly positioned to continue to be used by people who understand the need for privacy.  This need is only going to continue to grow.  And I believe we have a LOT of headlines in the future that look like"  "Nazi White Supremacist Group Taken Down by Bitcoin Chain Analysis" before Bitcoin ends up solving it's privacy problems (also off-chain), and the demand for Monero is only going to increase.

So... I agree with Dragonvslinux that the XMR/BTC pair is probably going to suffer in the short term (as it has) and probably also into Bitcoin's meteoric rise I keep predicting.  But I believe it will hold better than the majority of alts, and I also think it will continue to emerge as THE privacy centric base layer for some time to come before Bitcoin also, probably, eats it's lunch.  And i continue to believe an opaque base layer blockchain "coin" is perhaps the ONLY idea that has legs against the financial tsunami that Bitcoin is destined to be.  Yet, personally I think if what one wants the most is a gain in USD value on their crypto, then BTC is the obvious play for a while.
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MONERORDINALS!  Kiss  REEEEEE

For some reason this seems bullish.  I mean he's no Proudhon, but.

Plus nothing is going to overcome the bitcoin explosion.  Hopefully this is a omen to it holding it's USD value during the blast...
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The main reason I am posting this now is I have noticed a LOT of anti-monero chatter particularly on twitter recently.  Almost so much that it seems odd.

Not much volume but we are in this little area where we have a directional decision to play out.
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The main reason I am posting this now is I have noticed a LOT of anti-monero chatter particularly on twitter recently.  Almost so much that it seems odd.

Not much volume but we are in this little area where we have a directional decision to play out.


Admittedly price looks good against fiat, it usually does, especially when Bitcoin is reversing back to the upside. But against Bitcoin itself? Not so much...



There is certainly room to the upside, followed by facing multi-year resistance based on volume traded and moving averages. It's a strange one as the 50 WMA as crossed bullish with the 200 WMA, but at the same time the 20 WMA is crossing bearish with the 50 WMA. The Weekly "golden cross" is certainly very lagging indicator, but more relevantly price recently collapsed below both these moving averages that crossed bullish.



Based on Daily chart, price remains in a clear-cut downtrend since the start of the year, as well as 2018 for that matter. It's currently testing resistance at the 50 Day MA, that saw price previously rejected last month, and otherwise will face stronger resistance at 0.0075 BTC. To me this isn't a trade or investment worth risking until it can break out of it's multi-year range to the upside, then we could see some serious upside.

It's ironic as I actually believe in the fundamentals of Monero quite a lot, but for whatever reason the price action isn't exactly reflecting this fundamental relevance. At least not in the past 4 years.

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The main reason I am posting this now is I have noticed a LOT of anti-monero chatter particularly on twitter recently.  Almost so much that it seems odd.

Not much volume but we are in this little area where we have a directional decision to play out.


Bah I ignore CT nowadays...  A lot of what the guys say there are just stuff that basically say:  'These are my bags, they're the best, you should buy them too'.  And some of them even make long threads now for more engagement.  :/  I unfollowed all of them except for a couple.  My follow list is made up of guys who are into MMA these days.  And it's funny cos I did it to avoid all the drama in CT, only to see that somewhat the same kind of drama also happens in MMA Twitter.  

And...  What's the most likely cryptocurrency BTC maxis would consider switching to if there isn't any solution to all the shenanigans going on?

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And...  What's the most likely cryptocurrency BTC maxis would consider switching to if there isn't any solution to all the shenanigans going on?

Eeh.  The answer is Bitcoin.  Sure there are bitcoin maxis sympathetic to Monero.  I am one of those after all.  But Bitcoin is doing exactly what the maxis want and expect.  The blocksize is limited.  The consensus rules are being followed.  The fee market is doing it's job, and testing the mettle of people who want to do Couterparty on chain.  Bitcoin is the premium value store chain.  And it will cost money to store value there.  And yet lightning will make it available to even people who cannot pay the fees or even run a node.

Monero will keep moneroing.  It will keep being appropriate to use for the things it is good at.  And I think more people start to realize it's good for something significant.

BTC has nothing to be afraid about when it comes to Monero.  The chains that should be afraid are the ones like BCH.  BCH cant scale any better than BTC and doesn't do anything better at all.  Monero can scale a little better (still sucks though) and offers something no other chain does.
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I heard some bad thinks happened to our dear Dasher friends, so I had to come back to the forum to cheer them up.  No one made a 9th birthday post here. You guys are bad posters!

So somoen will not say I am so offtopic I also just read that Haveno is ready for testnet.
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Out of curiosity, is anyone concerned by Monero's continued decline is hash rate since beginning of 2022? Not trying to FUD here, just curious of what people think about the following...

Not only has Bitcoin's continued it'd network growth, as per usual during bear markets, but so has Litecoin and Dogecoin which are the next biggest POW coins. I'm not sure if this is due to merge mining between LTC/DOGE, or whether XMR is significantly less profitable to mine due to the use of GPU/CPUs, but it seems to reflect Monero's price action, that being around the same price it was beginning of 2022.

This isn't to say LTC or DOGE are doing significantly better either, as altcoins are generally struggling right now against Bitcoin, nor that Monero remains vulnerable with it's current hash rate decline. It just seems strange that the network isn't growing similarly to others, with only the Top 3 POW coins gaining hash rate (ignoring ETC as it's increase was solely due to ETH merge).

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