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April 13, 2021, 03:28:10 PM
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As we are cooling down (and bitcoin is rocking) I see two places of support...  That RSI is coming down.  I suppose this will be most influenced by bitcoins action.  But I also see many alts are moving WITH BTC while XMR does it's own thing... makes some sense as XMR moved prior to the bitcoin new ATH.

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April 13, 2021, 06:18:07 PM
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So if I understand well... XMR isn't pumped like XRP because :

it has privacy features.
it's decentralized.
everyone can mine it.
and wasn't instamined.
coins are fungibles.


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April 13, 2021, 08:06:16 PM
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Agreed for the most part.  But I do think Monero is particularly susceptible to any negative moves in the name of "crime/terrorism/money laundering".

But it will do the same sort of thing that happened when the Romans and Jews tried to get rid of Jesus, or in the words of ObiWan: “If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.”  Moves against Monero will in the end simply legitimize it.  But at the same time if it becomes illegal to buy sell or hold in someone's country, then that's not going to help the folks who are NOT using it for any sorts of crime (like me).

I think the fact is Monero stands a serious risk in this area.  It is good for those of us here to realize that...  I hope this is not the case. 



The beauty of Monero (and crypto in general) is that it "takes up" practically no physical space.  You can tape a piece of paper to your taint and smuggle money across boarders to do whatever business you want to...  There's no practical way of going across boarders with dollars or gold.

Humanity thrives in secrecy. Take the 'Underground Railroad' as an example.  XMR is/will be the Underground Railroad to help free people like Ross Ulbricht and Assange; and in turn finally hold the flame to those in power to answer our questions of why so much corruption goes unquestioned for years.
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April 13, 2021, 08:26:42 PM
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So if I understand well... XMR isn't pumped like XRP because :

it has privacy features.
it's decentralized.
everyone can mine it.
and wasn't instamined.
coins are fungibles.




Yeah, pretty much can't be compared to a centralized shitcoin.

Its only comparison is bitcoin and unless bitcoin becomes fungible its not even comparable to that.

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April 14, 2021, 08:21:45 AM
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XMR dollar value chart (daily candles).....

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April 14, 2021, 10:54:10 AM
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Its only comparison is bitcoin and unless bitcoin becomes fungible its not even comparable to that.

BTC "sanction list" are growing... I guess some still rich in fiat interests try to trap us inside this xrp "community", I guess for our own good Smiley.
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Its only comparison is bitcoin and unless bitcoin becomes fungible its not even comparable to that.

BTC "sanction list" are growing... I guess some still rich in fiat interests try to trap us inside this xrp "community", I guess for our own good Smiley.

I have no clue what is going on with that shitcoin you keep bringing up.

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Its only comparison is bitcoin and unless bitcoin becomes fungible its not even comparable to that.

BTC "sanction list" are growing... I guess some still rich in fiat interests try to trap us inside this xrp "community", I guess for our own good Smiley.

I have no clue what is going on with that shitcoin you keep bringing up.

Maybe when he realizes his mistake...  lol. 
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April 15, 2021, 02:52:01 AM
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MegaBull is obviously happening on 13th December.  Bottom of next cycle at $1500.

https://www.tradingview.com/chart/XMRUSDT/CQnl1P7Y-The-Monero-XMRUSD-Road-Towards-the-Megabull-Up-to-3-000-Gains/




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April 15, 2021, 03:17:45 AM
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XMR dollar value chart (daily candles).....

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Man, some wall st. junkies got fucking hammered/wired on blow and went all in on xmr for NYE in 2020, eh? lolol, just noticed this.
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April 15, 2021, 08:12:28 AM
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XMR dollar value chart (daily candles).....

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Man, some wall st. junkies got fucking hammered/wired on blow and went all in on xmr for NYE in 2020, eh? lolol, just noticed this.

Looks like a good bet they over 10x already
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April 15, 2021, 09:04:47 AM
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MegaBull is obviously happening on 13th December.  Bottom of next cycle at $1500.

https://www.tradingview.com/chart/XMRUSDT/CQnl1P7Y-The-Monero-XMRUSD-Road-Towards-the-Megabull-Up-to-3-000-Gains/

I think this is feasible  Cheesy
I proposed 0,036 in June 21

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April 15, 2021, 04:08:00 PM
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In case you bitcointalk crew needed a weekly news update feel free to check out the Monero Moon.
Latest issue here:
https://medium.com/themoneromoon/the-monero-moon-issue-14-f94429230cf8
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April 15, 2021, 10:18:49 PM
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MegaBull is obviously happening on 13th December.  Bottom of next cycle at $1500.

https://www.tradingview.com/chart/XMRUSDT/CQnl1P7Y-The-Monero-XMRUSD-Road-Towards-the-Megabull-Up-to-3-000-Gains/

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0,045-0,05 eoy is what I’m cheering for.
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April 16, 2021, 08:00:51 PM
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I'm going to take a moment to briefly whine/vent/pontificate.

I'm still a little disheartened by Monero's performance this year. In BTC terms, we're still down 50% from Oct. 2020. We're still down ~85% from the 2017-2018 peaks. Meanwhile, I'm seeing shitcoins hit new USD ATHs, though not against BTC.

However, I'm optimistic in that Monero seems to be on it's own cycle, loosely correlated with the cycles of BTC and altcoins. 2017 was a good example of this, with Moreno pumps largely unaligned with ETH and other alt pumps. Also, from a TA perspective, the long term cup pattern seems to be continuing nicely. Finally, we may be on the cusp of a broader market focus shift to "privacy" coins, with the specter of totalitarianism haunting the globe, and the recent market successes of newer "privacy" coins like Pirate Chain and Mobile[scam]Coin, and older ones like Horizen, ZEC, etc.
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April 17, 2021, 04:21:23 PM
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I'm still a little disheartened by Monero's performance this year. In BTC terms, we're still down 50% from Oct. 2020. We're still down ~85% from the 2017-2018 peaks. Meanwhile, I'm seeing shitcoins hit new USD ATHs, though not against BTC.

Yes we are very early in the bull run. OK not early but at the peak things start to roll hyper fast so considering that we are still very early. On the peak things will look way different as now.  But no matter that. Even if peak will look like this with Monero at 30 spot on CMC ( but at much higher price then $400). The bear market will hit Monero mildly where coins like Doge and ... will have +90% price decrease.

But I am totally sure Monero will have a moment of shine in this bull run.
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I'm going to take a moment to briefly whine/vent/pontificate.

I'm still a little disheartened by Monero's performance this year. In BTC terms, we're still down 50% from Oct. 2020. We're still down ~85% from the 2017-2018 peaks. Meanwhile, I'm seeing shitcoins hit new USD ATHs, though not against BTC.

However, I'm optimistic in that Monero seems to be on it's own cycle, loosely correlated with the cycles of BTC and altcoins. 2017 was a good example of this, with Moreno pumps largely unaligned with ETH and other alt pumps. Also, from a TA perspective, the long term cup pattern seems to be continuing nicely. Finally, we may be on the cusp of a broader market focus shift to "privacy" coins, with the specter of totalitarianism haunting the globe, and the recent market successes of newer "privacy" coins like Pirate Chain and Mobile[scam]Coin, and older ones like Horizen, ZEC, etc.

Yes.  This has been the curse of Monero from fairly early on.  

I am pretty much one step down from a BTC maximalist.  I see virtually NO REASON for the existence of almost all alts.

Smart Contract coins
- ETH LINK TRON EOS etc etc etc  - These coins are making a fundamental design mistake.  It is the "cram everything onto the base chain" mistake.  There is no reason to use the base monetary chain to record "all the things".  Smart contracts can be done on layers, or sidechains.  And I believe they will be.

Big Block chains
- we all know this one, and have our own opinions.  You can always spot a Monero big-blocker because they like to work the "peer to peer cash" angle.  In fact Monero does this one of the best ways so far.  But the big block coins make the same fundamental mistake as the smart contract coins.

Copy-pastas. LTC DOGE etc.  Why?  "Well fees are cheaper!! blocks are faster!! Etc."  Fees will stop being cheap when these coins begin to be seriously used, and the friction of going from BTC to LTC is a non-starter.  In tghe end these projects have an existential problem.  The only reasn they are useful, is they are not used.  *POOF* vanishes their purpose in a small puff of logic.

Loyalty/Purpose tokens
 BNB STX and so on. Now we get to see something useful.  Centralized.  Often built on top of one of the smart contract mistakes.  These coins have value because they have a unique purpose.  That value is kind of dubious, and I think most of them are unnecessary, but some will survive.  They are the "green stamps" or coupons of crypto.  Eventually these will be built on a sidechain of whatever chain is strongest (umm BITCOIN).  Liquid is a good bet here.  Because again.  Why build this on one of the gargantuan monstrosities like ETH in the longrun?
 
Stable Coins Much like the above.  These are serving an actual purpose and therefore will attract value.  But it is temporary, and trades crypto-stability for SIGNIFICANT counter party risk.  These too will most likely be built on a BTC sidechain like Liquid, until the die off from lack of use.

Privacy coins And actual iron clad use case for crypto that the BTC base layer will never do.  A tradeoff that has a STRONG use case argument.  And as we here know, nearly ALL of them are scams. Pre-mines, not 'always on' privacy, or privacy theater. Trusted setups, founder's rewards, and so on.  Some projects try to combine privacy with one of the above mistakes.

Monero is WAY out in front of that pack, and will be for the forseeable future.  The market has SOLIDLY integrated Monero into real world battle scenarios.

I would love to see some data, but I think it is arguable that Monero is at LEAST in the top 3 crypto assets if you were to measure REAL non-speculative transactions.  Yes BSV has a LOT of transactions going on.  But what coin is ACTUALLY being used more in real commerce.  I would say only a handful, and NONE of them has Monero's privacy guarantees.

So why the hell is it not more expensive?

Three reasons, and one nightmare

1. It is, and always has been difficult to use.  It has a weighty blockchain and lack of very many wallets etc are a serious barrier.  Drug addicts are incentivized to go through a lot of trouble to make it work , but the average joe, less so.  Just look at hardware wallets.  Getting monero to work with those is pretty damn hard still.

2.  It might be one of the least hyped projects in the entire space.  For the longest time it's 'official' marketing was "Don't buy Monero".  So not hyped that a lot of idiots (that weatherman jackass for example) figure that whole thing was reverse psychology.  Which would be the second stupidest way to market it.  There are no glossy claims.  There is no "founders reward" to pay exchanges to list it, ad so on.  It has just quietly been staying on the razors edge

3.  The bad boy angle.  Monero is one of the riskiest crypto projects to hold value in.  I sort of assume that at some points governments will most likely clamp down on it.  Or at least they could.  So that makes it risky.  To be honest I do not think this is a major factor.

Nightmare. Inflation bug.  If that exists that would most definitely be having a dampening effect on the price of Monero.  I think this is the least likely.

All that said... As the world wakes up to why Bitcoin is important, the smarter ones are going to realize why monero is important, just as we did, but earlier.  It's like every halving cycle a new crew comes in... and they fall for all the same scams, and always a percentage of them end up realizing why Monero is important.  

That number will be very big this time around.
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April 18, 2021, 01:35:12 PM
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He did it again. Just this time he did not just said privacy by default, but he directly named Monero.

https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/rise-of-cryptocurrencies-after-covid19-pandemic-by-brian-armstrong-2-2020-04

https://twitter.com/brian_armstrong/status/1247963017179836416




It makes very little sense why Monero is not listed on Coinbase.

What if he is afraid that to much transactions would be made from Coinbase. So Coinbase could record those transactions and when USA government would demand the list they would have to give it to them. That list could help unmask other transactions. Maybe that is a reason for a delay and he hopes that number of Monero transactions will grow and he hopes that Monero will increase ring sizes and then he will list Monero, since it will matter much less or none.

I know this is more wishful thinking that everyone cares about Monero well being. But it just crossed my mind when he first mention privacy by default.


My conspiratorial mind thinks that the security features of Monero are exactly why it's not on Coinbase. Coinbase is the closet thing to the "Establishment's" involvement in Crypto. It's a threat to their kleptocracy as they can't track you.

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April 18, 2021, 04:41:21 PM
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My conspiratorial mind thinks that the security features of Monero are exactly why it's not on Coinbase. Coinbase is the closet thing to the "Establishment's" involvement in Crypto. It's a threat to their kleptocracy as they can't track you.

Maybe governments still dont get it, but their best chance is that people trade Monero on centralised exchanges where they KYC. So they know who enters into Monero and who exits of Monero. When everyone will use decentralised exchanges governments will be blind. And if they already start pushing people off centralised exchanges now would be super dumb for every government.
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Guess they ran out of weak hands to shake out?

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