[UNMODERATED] CLUSTERCOIN Topic [OPEN DISCUSSION]

[ocminer]

As the ClusterCoin Dev constantly keeps deleting (my) posts in his ClusterCoin Thread, I've opened this Thread for the people to discuss.

As I'm short on time, a short explanation of what the Community found out in the last 24hrs, please correct me / add anything that I got wrong / that is missing.


Essex343 (ClusterCoin Dev) and ShameOnYou (Usecoin Dev) could be the same person as the accounts were created both at the same time and had lots of "null posts" before they both finally released a coin. This already raised so many red flags for me that I will completely stand clear from Cluster - but this is just my opinion.

Proof over here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=754138.msg8507732#msg8507732


In "his" thread he states PoD is ongoing, but CryptoAsian tweets he had no response from the Cluster Dev:

Proof:
https://twitter.com/CryptoAsian/status/503510870308442113


In "his" thread the Dev always posts some very weird, futuristic stuff he seems to be doing when users are questioning for a roadmap, features etc..

Proof:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=753089.msg8511463#msg8511463

Honestly: What the f*** is
"we are now experimenting on a model that simulates network performance when several user-populated geo clusters are present"  

This ain't NASA, SETI or whatever.. You did not re-invent Bitcoin, you simply forked a Coin (Bitcoin) and did no magic to it, your code @ github looks totally normal, mining can be done with SHA-256 on a normal, stratum enabled Pool, there is no "user populated geo cluster" right now and how would you simulate what won't exist ?! You'd have to rewrite the whole Chaincode to "merge" multiple chains simultanously and where is the sense of doing so ??

Can someone clear up for me why people invest in this ?! I just don't get it ?!?

AGAIN: This is just a open discussion, you can invest/trade/mine the coin whatever, a discussion in the original thread is not possible due to constant deletion of posts, therefore this thread here.

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[Vampiro4L]

you probably aren't far off....where there's smoke, there's fire...
glad i stayed away from these

[yeasee]

I have to say invest CLSTR is my biggest fault.I thought the dev is a liar!

[TheCoinFinder]

There is also this thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=754138.0

[ocminer]

There is also this thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=754138.0

Oh wow thanks for the heads up, why has it been moved ??!

[DeCrypterManiac]

In "his" thread the Dev always posts some very weird, futuristic stuff he seems to be doing when users are questioning for a roadmap, features etc..

Proof:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=753089.msg8511463#msg8511463

Honestly: What the f*** is
"we are now experimenting on a model that simulates network performance when several user-populated geo clusters are present"  

This ain't NASA, SETI or whatever.. You did not re-invent Bitcoin, you simply forked a Coin (Bitcoin) and did no magic to it, your code @ github looks totally normal, mining can be done with SHA-256 on a normal, stratum enabled Pool, there is no "user populated geo cluster" right now and how would you simulate what won't exist ?! You'd have to rewrite the whole Chaincode to "merge" multiple chains simultanously and where is the sense of doing so ??

+1

 

[MineP.it]

If Bittrex allow this to go through it will be the last straw for me. Will pull all funds out for good.

[ocminer]

If Bittrex allow this to go through it will be the last straw for me. Will pull all funds out for good.

Luckily I did not buy, I was just checking this coin for considering a pool to be set up and stumbled over SO many things that I needed to open this topic...

And I STILL believe that Bittrex is not "bad" - They are just "being raped and used" as a tool - but they will have to do "something" in the future to prevent such a fiasco like with Usecoin...

[zhangdu]

i believe, those scammer will die like a dog.  

[TheCoinFinder]

There is also this thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=754138.0

Oh wow thanks for the heads up, why has it been moved ??!

No clue.

I still don't understand how an anonymous coin, with no proof of any of the innovation mentioned - managed to get 350BTC from buyers

[ocminer]

I still don't understand how an anonymous coin, with no proof of any of the innovation mentioned - managed to get 350BTC from buyers

+1111

:-)

When I saw that 350 BTC I was like "WTF?!?!??? Thats like 175.000 $ for nothing but thin air !"

[prospecta]

Bittrex have everything to lose, and next to nothing to gain by paying out this 350 BTC to the dev.

It's such a clear cut case of just buying back the coins and everyone moving on.

[px66]

There is also this thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=754138.0

Oh wow thanks for the heads up, why has it been moved ??!

No clue.

I still don't understand how an anonymous coin, with no proof of any of the innovation mentioned - managed to get 350BTC from buyers

The scam works like this: DEVs use their own BTC to buy into the ICO to give the appearance of lots of interest in scam coin. They know they will get BTC back when ICO ends. Gullible investors see lots of fake ICO interest and panic buy into ICO ("Following the herd"). ICO ends and DEVS get all the ICO BTC plus they now have lots of scam coins to dump on market to make more BTC.

[discodancer]

ocminer - you had a chance to go over the code? Cause from what I can see he published the github for review during the ICO. If people dint check the code (or get someone's help) I think they deserve to be scammed.

[ocminer]

ocminer - you had a chance to go over the code? Cause from what I can see he published the github for review during the ICO. If people dint check the code (or get someone's help) I think they deserve to be scammed.

Yes I've skimmed over the code a few hours ago and searched for anything that would make problems in adding a pool etc. But did not find anything "special" or so about the coin.. Its like a simply clone of a clone. I thought there would be anything special in mining, but a normal stratum implementation without any mods works ... Very confusing considering the features this coin shall have..

As it's weekend and I the weather is pretty good, I'm out now and did not look as close as you should look when you verify code or search for potential risks - so I cannot guarantee there is nothing "special" about the code.. Just nothing at first sight - at least for me.

I please everyone to show me the specials if they had a deeper look.

The premine is blatant though:

https://github.com/ClusterCoin/ClusterCoin/blob/master/src/main.cpp#L1253

7.000.000 coins.. whilst coin reward is only 3 coins from 13.000 until block 10.000.000 ... count that in % ^^

[atchoum6760]

3 cluster by block normal ? Why mining ?

ICO 10000 first day now 3000 sat why buy ?

How many people lose their money ?


Other scam ?

[discodancer]

god damn it
the market is disabled
i cant even sell out
I HOPE SHittrex refunds the IPO

It shows disabled in the wallet because the ICO coins are not released yet. Market is open.

[px66]

There is also this thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=754138.0

Oh wow thanks for the heads up, why has it been moved ??!

No clue.

I still don't understand how an anonymous coin, with no proof of any of the innovation mentioned - managed to get 350BTC from buyers

The scam works like this: DEVs use their own BTC to buy into the ICO to give the appearance of lots of interest in scam coin. They know they will get BTC back when ICO ends. Gullible investors see lots of fake ICO interest and panic buy into ICO ("Following the herd"). ICO ends and DEVS get all the ICO BTC plus they now have lots of scam coins to dump on market to make more BTC.

EDIT: I hate calling them DEVs because they are not developers. The couldn't code their way out of a wet paper bag.

[kingscrown]

imo its a scam. thats why ie when i make my monthly reports on the blog i always contact devs to check with tchem how serious they are. ie currently HYPER seems to me to end up as scam/dropped by devs coin.

[opossum]

It's more like clusterf..k now.

[zhangdu]

i believe, those scammer will die like a dog.  

[kindofasaint]

From their About Us:

Richie Lai

"Richie is currently the manager of the Amazon Security Operations Center and is in charge of security response and operations for Amazon. Prior to that, he spent 12 years at Microsoft building up their security engineering and internet crimes division. His background in application and network security, internet crimes and malware makes him the most paranoid person at protecting his and your crypto currencies. "

Though not a security breach, it is still an internet crime, a huge one, performed through your systems and you are profiting from it, if CLSTR / Cluster is not an internet crime then what is? 350btc form CLSTR and ~50 from USE, that is around 1/5 of a Million dollars!!

Don't kill your company ffs!

[DishCatcher]

CLSTR is 100% scam.Bittrex will regret if they release fund to him.

[MineP.it]

bittrex dont give a shit
just take the loss and move on

Move on minus Bittrex yes

[kindofasaint]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=492758.msg5543425#msg5543425

[kindofasaint]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=754555.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=754138.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=754544.0

[MedaR]

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by the starter of a self-moderated topic. There are no rules of self-moderation, so this deletion cannot be appealed. Do not continue posting in this topic if the topic-starter has requested that you leave.

You can create a new topic if you are unsatisfied with this one. If the topic-starter is scamming, post about it in Scam Accusations.

a stake in our ClusterCoin idea

[MineP.it]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F4qzPbcFiA

[ocminer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F4qzPbcFiA

+1 ;-)


Bittrex should release the 350 BTC to them only if they deliver the features they promised.. Not earlier..

They stated in their original thread now that, probably in response to my post regarding my look at the source code here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=754555.msg8512622#msg8512622

That none of their promised features are ready yet and are all in development.. The money (premine) is needed for development.

Proof:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=753089.msg8513777#msg8513777


BUT the dev also said he sent all his details to CryptoAsian here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=753089.msg8513983#msg8513983


So lets wait what happens..


For now this coin as a FIVE STAR RED FLAG rating from CryptoOcminer ;-)

[miningfool]

Yeah, I wanted to believe this was "real" and scooped up some of the post-ICO coins cheap.  But, I also went down the same road.  I compiled the daemon and was going to put it up on my pool to mine it, then compiled the QT wallet to get an address to mine to, and that was the first red flag for me.  The QT wallet is very poor, they changed the background /some style stuff but it doesn't work right on Linux, changing between tabs they "overwrite" on top of each other.  So that begs the question of whether these guys actually have the skills to build their "cluster" idea.  I can clean up the wallet so its usable for me, but why bother.

But the other big red flag is like you said, once you try parsing the guy's responses, it is kind of technical bullshit.  But it could be real too.  I dunno.  I really hope this isn't a scam.  But the dev has done nothing to help the situation, nor has Bittrex other than passing the buck of responsibility.  Unfortunately they are indeed a US company, and as much as they may like to think so, it isn't so simple to duck responsibility.

My other concern, regardless of whether scam or not, is that as I thought more critically about their idea/design, I'm not sure it can really be built or work the way they are thinking.  I don't believe that multiple independent forks is the way to go about solving transaction processing performance/speed, because it breaks Satoshi's consensus mechanism, and I don't clearly understand how Cluster intends to solve that.

IMHO, if it was a legit ICO, the dev and his team would be all over that thread leading up to, through, and after the ICO closing posting updates and videos, social media etc.  Instead its just been dead.

I didn't spend more than I can afford to lose, I scooped up the coins as a casino bet that I hope pays off.  But if I were less technical and had read the CLUSTR announcement and put a whole bunch of BTC into it, I'd be pretty pissed at the way the whole thing is being handled.

[cryptoangel]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=492758.msg5543425#msg5543425

Bittrex definitely has a hand in these coins, I would go as far to say they have made 5 digit figure payouts.

The temptation is to big to make huge profits and get financially backed for life, retire early.

People try to ride the waves in crypto, Bittrex just ride the crypto community.

They probably wont be around in 6 months time, most likely sell up.

[ocminer]

Yeah, I wanted to believe this was "real" and scooped up some of the post-ICO coins cheap.  But, I also went down the same road.  I compiled the daemon and was going to put it up on my pool to mine it, then compiled the QT wallet to get an address to mine to, and that was the first red flag for me.  The QT wallet is very poor, they changed the background /some style stuff but it doesn't work right on Linux, changing between tabs they "overwrite" on top of each other.  So that begs the question of whether these guys actually have the skills to build their "cluster" idea.  I can clean up the wallet so its usable for me, but why bother.

But the other big red flag is like you said, once you try parsing the guy's responses, it is kind of technical bullshit.  But it could be real too.  I dunno.  I really hope this isn't a scam.  But the dev has done nothing to help the situation, nor has Bittrex other than passing the buck of responsibility.  Unfortunately they are indeed a US company, and as much as they may like to think so, it isn't so simple to duck responsibility.

My other concern, regardless of whether scam or not, is that as I thought more critically about their idea/design, I'm not sure it can really be built or work the way they are thinking.  I don't believe that multiple independent forks is the way to go about solving transaction processing performance/speed, because it breaks Satoshi's consensus mechanism, and I don't clearly understand how Cluster intends to solve that.

IMHO, if it was a legit ICO, the dev and his team would be all over that thread leading up to, through, and after the ICO closing posting updates and videos, social media etc.  Instead its just been dead.

I didn't spend more than I can afford to lose, I scooped up the coins as a casino bet that I hope pays off.  But if I were less technical and had read the CLUSTR announcement and put a whole bunch of BTC into it, I'd be pretty pissed at the way the whole thing is being handled.

I second that in every point, Dev tells a lot about technical innovation but the wallet currently is practically just a clone of a clone of a clone without anything new. This was the origin for my suspicion too.

[Bl4ckw00d]

Thank you guys for all the help so far
I would like help in writing a draft email that would be sent to the SEC and other regulatory bodies regarding bittrexs handling of IPO's
They are not untouchable as they would like to think
The US already has a negative view on crypto and if thousands of people are emailing the SEC on weekly basis they won't ignore it
The bastard dev has come on the thread to delete posts and moan about spam when he should be sorting this shit out
He's just waiting to get his money then he's gone
And bittrex won't give a shit
The only way to get bittrex to listen is to hit them where it hurts

You can choose to do that and I respect your decision to do so.  But at the same time by flooding the SEC and other bodies which govern finance you are going to only hurt our crypto environment as a whole.  I get you want to take action but at the same time bringing a flood of regulation to this marketplace I feel would do more harm then good

[zmizmi]

GUYS! Its a SCAM! dont buy it!

[AbiusGMIU]

If the dev had any integrity, he would re-launch the coin, especially since it's still in alpha stage. As of recently he's started to refer to the coin as an "experiment", "idea" ect.. all warning signs of, "I most likely won't follow through with this project til' the end".

[Chris001]

Thanks Ocminer

When you say something, we know its for real.

When I seen the unmoderated thread I was thinking it was just the fudders back to work.

When I seen who started the thread, I was like, oh shit, I just lost some money!

Many of us don't have the ability to look over the code. Thanks for letting us know what you found.

My question is how can Bittrex release the BTC when it has been proven that this is a scam?

I really like Bittrex. I would really like to just to see them do the right thing, more than to just get back my .5 BTC.

[ocminer]

Thanks Ocminer

When you say something, we know its for real.

When I seen the unmoderated thread I was thinking it was just the fudders back to work.

When I seen who started the thread, I was like, oh shit, I just lost some money!

Many of us don't have the ability to look over the code. Thanks for letting us know what you found.

My question is how can Bittrex release the BTC when it has been proven that this is a scam?

I really like Bittrex. I would really like to just to see them do the right thing, more than to just get back my .5 BTC.

It is not yet proven to be a scam i just wanted to Post the things that bugged me as i got no answer in the original topic and my posts got deleted.

Maybe it is all Good..  Will See in the next 24 to 48 hours.

Bittrex still holds the 350 btc so we should be on the Safe side i think

[miningfool]

Scamdev deleted my post, so posting it here for whatever its worth

Quote from: stormia on Today at 06:01:35 PM
I think the whole "here is our code, look over it" thing was so that people could check for themselves that there was no hidden premine or something along those lines. It was clear, looking at the dev timeline, that the features were not going to be implemented at the beginning.

I don't think anyone is calling into question the development timeline.  But it certainly seems despite what the dev may claim that he's using a purchased user account, the lack of any sort of communication just screams scam.  The technical jargon responses is mumbo jumbo intended to fool the non-technical folks.

This whole thing if it was legit would be handled in an entirely different manner.  I don't have much faith in the PoD stuff, who's to say they don't just buy some id online or use the fake name generator site.  Instead of PoD, lets see some proof of activity, some proof of commitment, anything... videos, some more detailed posts on the project plan.  The dev doesn't even sound all that excited about their great IPO etc.

I really hope this is "real" and not a scam, but unfortunately all evidence points to the contrary at this point.  I was a believer up until I pulled their off the shelf code to put a daemon up on my pool to mine it, and compiled the Qt wallet on Linux.  These guys can't even build a basic wallet that works right cross-platform.

[owlcatz]

Scamdev deleted my post, so posting it here for whatever its worth

Quote from: stormia on Today at 06:01:35 PM
I think the whole "here is our code, look over it" thing was so that people could check for themselves that there was no hidden premine or something along those lines. It was clear, looking at the dev timeline, that the features were not going to be implemented at the beginning.

I don't think anyone is calling into question the development timeline.  But it certainly seems despite what the dev may claim that he's using a purchased user account, the lack of any sort of communication just screams scam.  The technical jargon responses is mumbo jumbo intended to fool the non-technical folks.

This whole thing if it was legit would be handled in an entirely different manner.  I don't have much faith in the PoD stuff, who's to say they don't just buy some id online or use the fake name generator site.  Instead of PoD, lets see some proof of activity, some proof of commitment, anything... videos, some more detailed posts on the project plan.  The dev doesn't even sound all that excited about their great IPO etc.

I really hope this is "real" and not a scam, but unfortunately all evidence points to the contrary at this point.  I was a believer up until I pulled their off the shelf code to put a daemon up on my pool to mine it, and compiled the Qt wallet on Linux.  These guys can't even build a basic wallet that works right cross-platform.

the least he could do is tweet from "his" twitter account and prove that it's not a purchased account, but he won't even do that. i'm surprised he left my post up asking him to do so tho, as he deletes everything else that questions him.  (I just started looking at this coin today actually, and don't care either way, just sick of scam-coins all the time, especially with ICO's).

I also told him i could not wait to see some "user-populated geo clusters" in action!!! (Deleted of course LMFAO!!!)

[richiela]

Chris/OCminer, you two are always thoughtful in your responses so I welcome a discussion with you on why you think its a scam. You guys know where you can find me. I will not engage in this discussion on this forum after this post.  

Here's what I do know as a fact, please find me and discuss if you have more facts.

* Our ICO terms stated in the original ANN said the dev must deliver a working wallet, blockchain and blockchain explorer.  This is more than requested by some other ICO terms.
* the ICO is based on the premise that the funds were to be used for future developments of the project. Not what was available today.  This was clearly stated in the ANN.
* the whitepaper was laid out along with the source code of the available wallet for everyone to decide before investing in the ICO.

None of these things have changed since people decided to invest based on their research.  In fact, the dev has already agreed add additional requirements by doing PoD (not going to get into the validity of it, but it is another way to raise the bar).  Bittrex makes no guarantees beyond ensuring that the coins you have purchased arrive in your wallet.

The other anecdotal things I've seen is:

* 3 accounts created in a one month period (how many accounts were created during the bitcoin hype period?)
* said accounts were part of giveaway threads (how many accounts were part of the giveaways?)
* dev isn't responsive enough (do you know how much time WE have spent engaged with the community with people that insist on FUD).

This is the data I have.  In the world where FUD allows for market manipulation, we have to operate on facts.  And, as I have stated many times, everyone has agreed to hold funds until PoD is completed.

thanks,
Richie

[richiela]

Chris/OCminer, you two are always thoughtful in your responses so I welcome a discussion with you on why you think its a scam. You guys know where you can find me. I will not engage in this discussion on this forum after this post.  

Here's what I do know as a fact, please find me and discuss if you have more facts.

* Our ICO terms stated in the original ANN said the dev must deliver a working wallet, blockchain and blockchain explorer.  This is more than requested by some other ICO terms.
* the ICO was based on the premise that the funds were to be used for future developments of the project. Not what was available today.  This was clearly stated in the ANN.
* the whitepaper was laid out along with the source code of the available wallet for everyone to decide before investing in the ICO.

None of these things have changed since people decided to invest based on their research.  In fact, the dev has already agreed add additional requirements by doing PoD (not going to get into the validity of it, but it is another way to raise the bar).

The other anecdotal things I've seen is:

* 3 accounts created in a one month period (how many accounts were created during the bitcoin hype period?)
* said accounts were part of giveaway threads (how many accounts were part of the giveaways?)
* dev isn't responsive enough (do you know how much time WE have spent engaged with the community with people that insist on FUD).

This is the data I have.  In the world where FUD allows for market manipulation, we have to operate on facts.  And, as I have stated many times, everyone has agreed to hold funds until PoD is completed.

thanks,
Richie

 You don't get to shut down discussion unilaterally.  That's not an option that is available to you.  You WILL continue to discuss these issues. They are not going anywhere, no matter how much you'd like them to.  Your attitude towards these matters needs to be adjusted, and that's going to happen. You can fight it or go along with it, but it's going to happen.


If your exchange hadn't been so enabling of so many scams, you wouldn't have problems.  But it has, and so you do.
 

I lied, i'm obviously making one more post ... and i'm not shutting it down the discussion...  you all are welcome to it.  I wont' be doing it in this forum because I believe it to be toxic.  You are more than welcome to find me in the usual places if you'd like to discuss.

[ASICHEAD]

god damn it
the market is disabled
i cant even sell out
I HOPE SHittrex refunds the IPO

This is an obvious scam.
Dev satisfied and there are hundreds of dissatisfied investors. Bittrex can easily reject ICO to restore the investor's money.
Must see, Bittrex Selected the Dev or hundreds of the loyal customer.

[discodancer]

Chris/OCminer, you two are always thoughtful in your responses so I welcome a discussion with you on why you think its a scam. You guys know where you can find me. I will not engage in this discussion on this forum after this post.  

Here's what I do know as a fact, please find me and discuss if you have more facts.

* Our ICO terms stated in the original ANN said the dev must deliver a working wallet, blockchain and blockchain explorer.  This is more than requested by some other ICO terms.
* the ICO is based on the premise that the funds were to be used for future developments of the project. Not what was available today.  This was clearly stated in the ANN.
* the whitepaper was laid out along with the source code of the available wallet for everyone to decide before investing in the ICO.

None of these things have changed since people decided to invest based on their research.  In fact, the dev has already agreed add additional requirements by doing PoD (not going to get into the validity of it, but it is another way to raise the bar).  Bittrex makes no guarantees beyond ensuring that the coins you have purchased arrive in your wallet.

The other anecdotal things I've seen is:

* 3 accounts created in a one month period (how many accounts were created during the bitcoin hype period?)
* said accounts were part of giveaway threads (how many accounts were part of the giveaways?)
* dev isn't responsive enough (do you know how much time WE have spent engaged with the community with people that insist on FUD).

This is the data I have.  In the world where FUD allows for market manipulation, we have to operate on facts.  And, as I have stated many times, everyone has agreed to hold funds until PoD is completed.

thanks,
Richie

Here's the problem:
"* Our ICO terms stated in the original ANN said the dev must deliver a working wallet, blockchain and blockchain explorer.  This is more than requested by some other ICO terms." ---> And why is that? The obvious issue is if you set a bar so low that anyone without a wallet/blockchain/blockchain explorer can open an ICO on your site, there is obviously something wrong with your site. How much time do you think will pass before you get branded as the cryptostocks of alt ICOs?

"* the ICO is based on the premise that the funds were to be used for future developments of the project. Not what was available today.  This was clearly stated in the ANN." --> Another of the issues. Say I were to escrow a deal between you and a dev developing an exchange called gittrex which other than a trading platform also lays golden eggs. Now that being the condition, don't you think it will be imperative for me to check if the conditions are met before releasing the money? Maybe say 10-15% of the money is paid for development costs. You would definitely say
"just having a trading platform and a working hot wallet system is obviously not enough. I paid for the golden eggs too and until that is delivered, dev is not entitled to the money, PoD or not". Isnt? Or would you want me to release the money once the platform is up?

[Chris001]

Chris/OCminer, you two are always thoughtful in your responses so I welcome a discussion with you on why you think its a scam. You guys know where you can find me. I will not engage in this discussion on this forum after this post.  

Here's what I do know as a fact, please find me and discuss if you have more facts.

* Our ICO terms stated in the original ANN said the dev must deliver a working wallet, blockchain and blockchain explorer.  This is more than requested by some other ICO terms.
* the ICO is based on the premise that the funds were to be used for future developments of the project. Not what was available today.  This was clearly stated in the ANN.
* the whitepaper was laid out along with the source code of the available wallet for everyone to decide before investing in the ICO.

None of these things have changed since people decided to invest based on their research.  In fact, the dev has already agreed add additional requirements by doing PoD (not going to get into the validity of it, but it is another way to raise the bar).  Bittrex makes no guarantees beyond ensuring that the coins you have purchased arrive in your wallet.

The other anecdotal things I've seen is:

* 3 accounts created in a one month period (how many accounts were created during the bitcoin hype period?)
* said accounts were part of giveaway threads (how many accounts were part of the giveaways?)
* dev isn't responsive enough (do you know how much time WE have spent engaged with the community with people that insist on FUD).

This is the data I have.  In the world where FUD allows for market manipulation, we have to operate on facts.  And, as I have stated many times, everyone has agreed to hold funds until PoD is completed.

thanks,
Richie

Richie,


Do you have proof that the Usecoin dev is a scammer?

Can you reasonably say that this is not the same guy? From your standpoint, if it is obvious that this is the same guy, you should do something.

If not, well there really isn't anything you can do I guess.

[hashtag101]

I'm not too happy with the way this goin here
But why can everybody blame Bittrex for this.

They can only follow the terms right? Can they be changed as things go on?
Don't they have to release the 350 if they like it or not if the terms are followed?

[owlcatz]

I'm not too happy with the way this goin here
But why can everybody blame Bittrex for this.

They can only follow the terms right? Can they be changed as things go on?
Don't they have to release the 350 if they like it or not if the terms are followed?

I am not sure.

Here is the latest post of mine he deleted.... what a scammer indeed.

Not just that but the dev won't even prove he hasn't bought that account by posting to the account's twitter feed here - (notice it's not been used since Nov 2013 - coincidence.. hmmm)...

https://twitter.com/IshmaelEssex

Yo Ishmael - Post a tweet about CLuster[fcked] coin, willya? For someone who wants their BTC, you don't seem to care much about any of the allegations around here.

[Chris001]

I'm not too happy with the way this goin here
But why can everybody blame Bittrex for this.

They can only follow the terms right? Can they be changed as things go on?
Don't they have to release the 350 if they like it or not if the terms are followed?

I am not sure.

Here is the latest post of mine he deleted.... what a scammer indeed.

Not just that but the dev won't even prove he hasn't bought that account by posting to the account's twitter feed here - (notice it's not been used since Nov 2013 - coincidence.. hmmm)...

https://twitter.com/IshmaelEssex

Yo Ishmael - Post a tweet about CLuster[fcked] coin, willya? For someone who wants their BTC, you don't seem to care much about any of the allegations around here.

As much as I don't like it, hashtag is right here. Trex has to follow the terms, or that makes them a shady exchange. It sucks, but richie said if any proof can be provided that this is a scam they will act accordingly.

But right now, the clustercoin dev is a slick motherfucker, and has covered his ass with the terms, which screws us. We can't blame Bittrex if we got fooled by the clustercoin dev.

We should have made sure that the whole cluster concept was covered in the terms, and if they weren't, not give the asshole our money, but we did, and we can't blame Bittrex for that.

I'm more pissed at myself more than anything, how I didn't see this coming is beyond me.

The fact that the accounts were made at the same time, and then the lack of posts for the same amount of time, shows something, but not enough for Bittrex to break their terms of the contract.

We can't have Bittrex deciding what they want to follow in a contract and what they don't. That would personally save me a lot of money now, but would be bad business on their part.

Anyone boycotting Bittrex for doing their job to the letter, even with all the public pressure for them to act outside of the contract, says a lot about how professional they actually are if you ask me.

I for one will be looking much closer at the terms of every ICO in the future before I put my BTC into it that's for sure.

[zmizmi]

its SCAM SCAM SCAM! trexx stop trading! DEV DELETE all message!

guys! follow me at twitter (free scam call)

http://twitter.com/zmi_zmi

DEV - you are a fucking scammer and I think that many people want to kill you for your scam!
Dev, what you say about bitcointal account? How much it cost account bitcointalk?
 What you say about USECOIN?
You dont get our money!



Guys - I didnt lost anything. I did not buy this shit coin, but I've been watching the market - I have a lot of free time and I want to warn you in the future. let's declare war on these developers to suck dick, I'm ready to make a contribution to the fund crypto police to see how they cut out the eyes of their deception

[crimealone]

Chris/OCminer, you two are always thoughtful in your responses so I welcome a discussion with you on why you think its a scam. You guys know where you can find me. I will not engage in this discussion on this forum after this post.  

Here's what I do know as a fact, please find me and discuss if you have more facts.

* Our ICO terms stated in the original ANN said the dev must deliver a working wallet, blockchain and blockchain explorer.  This is more than requested by some other ICO terms.
* the ICO is based on the premise that the funds were to be used for future developments of the project. Not what was available today.  This was clearly stated in the ANN.
* the whitepaper was laid out along with the source code of the available wallet for everyone to decide before investing in the ICO.

None of these things have changed since people decided to invest based on their research.  In fact, the dev has already agreed add additional requirements by doing PoD (not going to get into the validity of it, but it is another way to raise the bar).  Bittrex makes no guarantees beyond ensuring that the coins you have purchased arrive in your wallet.

The other anecdotal things I've seen is:

* 3 accounts created in a one month period (how many accounts were created during the bitcoin hype period?)
* said accounts were part of giveaway threads (how many accounts were part of the giveaways?)
* dev isn't responsive enough (do you know how much time WE have spent engaged with the community with people that insist on FUD).

This is the data I have.  In the world where FUD allows for market manipulation, we have to operate on facts.  And, as I have stated many times, everyone has agreed to hold funds until PoD is completed.

thanks,
Richie

3 accounts created in a one month period (how many accounts were created during the bitcoin hype period?)
These 3 accounts posted in the same pattern, and then all were active again in MAY(4 posts in January)
said accounts were part of giveaway threads (how many accounts were part of the giveaways?)
It's not just giveaway thread. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=683158.20 In this thread, you can find Essex343 ShameOnYou and HarryT1923.

 

Science offers little in the way of answers -- remember when scientists thought the Earth was flat? And when Newtonian physics was gospel? -- so the questions are worth asking.

three ICO coins dev were in the same thread(which only several people involved), and quoted each other with some bullshit. 

[zmizmi]

its SCAM SCAM SCAM! trexx stop trading! DEV DELETE all message!

guys! follow me at twitter (free scam call)

http://twitter.com/zmi_zmi

DEV - you are a fucking scammer and I think that many people want to kill you for your scam!
Dev, what you say about bitcointal account? How much it cost account bitcointalk?
 What you say about USECOIN?
You dont get our money!



Guys - I have not lost anything. I did not buy this shit coin, but I've been watching the market - I have a lot of free time and I want to warn you in the future. let's declare war on these developers to suck dick, I'm ready to make a contribution to the fund crypto police to see how they cut out the eyes of their deception

[crimealone]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=131733;sa=showPosts;start=120

Another account register in the same month, inactive until May 2014.
I guess I just stop another scam.

This account was also in that thread!!! Post in the same pattern!!!!

[kindofasaint]

The ICO terms are irrelevant in these accusations.

The fact that it is the same "DEV" as the USE "DEV" is where the root of the imminent scam lies. Nevermind the terms, the fact that this person makes his living out of scamming people out of their BTC and Bittrex having the power to kill one of cryptos deadliest cancers is what we should be looking at, do not deviate with "ICO terms arguments".

You want irrefutable proof to act? there is none and there will never be one for the Carsens, the ASIACOINS, the list goes on and on, unless they themselves say they did it, it is impossible, this is the internet, the evidence is right there, served to you on a silver plattter WORK WITH WHAT YOU GOT! BITTREX: DO THE RIGHT THING!

[crimealone]

The 5th: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=133167

[owlcatz]

its SCAM SCAM SCAM! trexx stop trading! DEV DELETE all message!

guys! follow me at twitter (free scam call)

http://twitter.com/zmi_zmi

DEV - you are a fucking scammer and I think that many people want to kill you for your scam!
Dev, what you say about bitcointal account? How much it cost account bitcointalk?
 What you say about USECOIN?
You dont get our money!



Guys - I have not lost anything. I did not buy this shit coin, but I've been watching the market - I have a lot of free time and I want to warn you in the future. let's declare war on these developers to suck dick, I'm ready to make a contribution to the fund crypto police to see how they cut out the eyes of their deception

i'm trying but that dev is just spending 100% of his time deleting posts. i hope he goes to bed soon so i can litter his thread with scam-warnings. I too haven't bought or lost anything, but i'm real fucking tired of these fuckers pulling bernie madoff's on us... FUCK THIS SHIT!!! FIGHT BACK!!!

and how the hell do we get bittrex to see the damn light, it's fucking bright as the sun here, omg!??!

[crimealone]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=132626

Holy shit, another!

[zmizmi]

DEV, many people wrote that killig you in the future


can you answer about your bitcointalk account?

[crimealone]

Please check this thread!!!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=683158.20
In this thread, you would find two confirmed ico scam dev-USE AND CRYSTAL. One possible scam dev-cluster.
And several other accounts in the same pattern. They are all created, stopped posting and are active again in the same period.

They all posted in the same giveaway thread, talked about nothing about altcoin and technique and then suddenly created an altcoin!!


Bittrex said:
* 3 accounts created in a one month period (how many accounts were created during the bitcoin hype period?)
* said accounts were part of giveaway threads (how many accounts were part of the giveaways?)

Not just created in a one month period. How many accounts were created in that period, stopped posting in December 2013 and then active again in May 2014??
How many accounts were part of giveaways and also devs of ico coins? And what's the possibility of three ico devs(two of them are confirmed scammers) appeared in the same thread and talked about philosophy? Let alone only several people were in this thread and there were at least another three accounts in the same pattern.

[fox19891989]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=754271.msg8516436#msg8516436

If you want IPs, get a legal request for information, such as a court order. It's best to have a "chain of custody" so to speak when it comes to things like this. If we handed out IPs to any random who asked, and violence of some sort ended up happening, then we would be on the hook if we couldn't show a paper trail of who requested the information. If you are on the up and up and don't plan on doing anything illegal, then there shouldn't be any problems with this. Court orders (which, again, are just a legal request for information) are standard when requesting information from third parties.

Thanks for the response BadBear, would you be able to tell us if the accounts in question have overlapping log ins from the same IP?  That would answer the question without disclosing any information that could cause you legal or ethical problems.  There is a considerable amount of BTC riding on this decision, any help you can render would be greatly appreciated.

R.

Yes they do, though they are shared with many accounts, so it's likely either an unknown proxy/vpn or bought accounts.

HERE ARE 100% PROOFS NOW

[px66]

The ICO terms are irrelevant in these accusations.

The fact that it is the same "DEV" as the USE "DEV" is where the root of the imminent scam lies. Nevermind the terms, the fact that this person makes his living out of scamming people out of their BTC and Bittrex having the power to kill one of cryptos deadliest cancers is what we should be looking at, do not deviate with "ICO terms arguments".

You want irrefutable proof to act? there is none and there will never be one for the Carsens, the ASIACOINS, the list goes on and on, unless they themselves say they did it, it is impossible, this is the internet, the evidence is right there, served to you on a silver plattter WORK WITH WHAT YOU GOT! BITTREX: DO THE RIGHT THING!

Here is a US CFPB advisory on crypto companies: http://files.consumerfinance.gov/f/201408_cfpb_consumer-advisory_virtual-currencies.pdf

Here is where you can file complaints against crypto companies that commit or assist in scams against the public: http://www.consumerfinance.gov/complaint/

EDIT: Submitting a complaint takes only a few minutes.

[zmizmi]

REWARD FOR PERSONAL INFO DEV!!!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=754830.0

[Chris001]

The ICO terms are irrelevant in these accusations.

The fact that it is the same "DEV" as the USE "DEV" is where the root of the imminent scam lies. Nevermind the terms, the fact that this person makes his living out of scamming people out of their BTC and Bittrex having the power to kill one of cryptos deadliest cancers is what we should be looking at, do not deviate with "ICO terms arguments".

You want irrefutable proof to act? there is none and there will never be one for the Carsens, the ASIACOINS, the list goes on and on, unless they themselves say they did it, it is impossible, this is the internet, the evidence is right there, served to you on a silver plattter WORK WITH WHAT YOU GOT! BITTREX: DO THE RIGHT THING!

Here is a US CFPB advisory on crypto companies: http://files.consumerfinance.gov/f/201408_cfpb_consumer-advisory_virtual-currencies.pdf

Here is where you can file complaints against crypto companies that commit or assist in scams against the public: http://www.consumerfinance.gov/complaint/

Bittrex "doing the right thing" is following their terms of the contract.

Sending the info on this situation to www.consumerfinance.gov/complaint would be a good thing, they can explain to you that they are FOLLOWING THE LAW!!!

Hey, I lost over a grand on this deal, but you are aiming your anger at the wrong party, out of emotion, but you are wrong.

Bittrex would BE BREAKING THE LAW if they break the terms of the contract.

I know you are angry, but try to think rational here.

I wish to god you were correct, but you are not.

Please use this energy from you anger to try to find some proof that the asshole clustercoin dev broke the contract.

That would be useful and save us all a lot of money. But asking Bittrex to break the law is not going to get us anywhere.

Sorry you lost so much money, as did I, but please direct you energy in the correct way!! This is the only thing that will help the situation!!

[hashtag101]

The ICO terms are irrelevant in these accusations.

The fact that it is the same "DEV" as the USE "DEV" is where the root of the imminent scam lies. Nevermind the terms, the fact that this person makes his living out of scamming people out of their BTC and Bittrex having the power to kill one of cryptos deadliest cancers is what we should be looking at, do not deviate with "ICO terms arguments".

You want irrefutable proof to act? there is none and there will never be one for the Carsens, the ASIACOINS, the list goes on and on, unless they themselves say they did it, it is impossible, this is the internet, the evidence is right there, served to you on a silver plattter WORK WITH WHAT YOU GOT! BITTREX: DO THE RIGHT THING!

Here is a US CFPB advisory on crypto companies: http://files.consumerfinance.gov/f/201408_cfpb_consumer-advisory_virtual-currencies.pdf

Here is where you can file complaints against crypto companies that commit or assist in scams against the public: http://www.consumerfinance.gov/complaint/

Bittrex "doing the right thing" is following their terms of the contract.

Sending the info on this situation to www.consumerfinance.gov/complaint would be a good thing, they can explain to you that they are FOLLOWING THE LAW!!!

Hey, I lost over a grand on this deal, but you are aiming your anger at the wrong party, out of emotion, but you are wrong.

Bittrex would BE BREAKING THE LAW if they break the terms of the contract.

I know you are angry, but try to think rational here.

I wish to god you were correct, but you are not.

Please use this energy from you anger to try to find some proof that the asshole clustercoin dev broke the contract.

That would be useful and save us all a lot of money. But asking Bittrex to break the law is not going to get us anywhere.

Sorry you lost so much money, as did I, but please direct you energy in the correct way!! This is the only thing that will help the situation!!

Guys, get ahold of yourselfs

IF you had any proof at all this would all be over and Bittrex wouldn't have to worry about the contract.

You are all blinded by dollarsigns in you eye. Can't see the clustercoin guy covered his tracks and we fell for it, don't be mad a Bittrex for following the law. Be mad at yourselves for not reading the terms before throwing your BTC at something without doing the proper research.

An exchange is not about to commit a felony to make up for your inability to read a contract.

[hashtag101]

The ICO terms are irrelevant in these accusations.

The fact that it is the same "DEV" as the USE "DEV" is where the root of the imminent scam lies. Nevermind the terms, the fact that this person makes his living out of scamming people out of their BTC and Bittrex having the power to kill one of cryptos deadliest cancers is what we should be looking at, do not deviate with "ICO terms arguments".

You want irrefutable proof to act? there is none and there will never be one for the Carsens, the ASIACOINS, the list goes on and on, unless they themselves say they did it, it is impossible, this is the internet, the evidence is right there, served to you on a silver plattter WORK WITH WHAT YOU GOT! BITTREX: DO THE RIGHT THING!

Here is a US CFPB advisory on crypto companies: http://files.consumerfinance.gov/f/201408_cfpb_consumer-advisory_virtual-currencies.pdf

Here is where you can file complaints against crypto companies that commit or assist in scams against the public: http://www.consumerfinance.gov/complaint/

Bittrex "doing the right thing" is following their terms of the contract.

Sending the info on this situation to www.consumerfinance.gov/complaint would be a good thing, they can explain to you that they are FOLLOWING THE LAW!!!

Hey, I lost over a grand on this deal, but you are aiming your anger at the wrong party, out of emotion, but you are wrong.

Bittrex would BE BREAKING THE LAW if they break the terms of the contract.

I know you are angry, but try to think rational here.

I wish to god you were correct, but you are not.

Please use this energy from you anger to try to find some proof that the asshole clustercoin dev broke the contract.

That would be useful and save us all a lot of money. But asking Bittrex to break the law is not going to get us anywhere.

Sorry you lost so much money, as did I, but please direct you energy in the correct way!! This is the only thing that will help the situation!!

Guys, get ahold of yourselfs

IF you had any proof at all this would all be over and Bittrex wouldn't have to worry about the contract.

You are all blinded by dollarsigns in you eye. Can't see the clustercoin guy covered his tracks and we fell for it, don't be mad a Bittrex for following the law. Be mad at yourselves for not reading the terms before throwing your BTC at something without doing the proper research.

An exchange is not about to commit a felony to make up for your inability to read a contract.

These guys just want their money back is all. It's understandable, but if Bittrex could do something they would. The dev is going to win this one. Hes going to get his BTC and we all just have to be more careful from now on is all. Lesson learned.

[Bitcycle]

Frankly, ICOs are just too risky for anyone but the devs.  They put exchanges at legal risk, and they're financial black holes for most investors. The community as a whole would be better off without them.  The benefits are just too limited.

[wadili89]

there is no logical explanation to sell your ipo coin lower price. no sense, no logic.

i think that bittrex is behind of ipo scene. i bought icebergcoin and clustercoin. so i know very well these periods. and i am sure that something in market is not normal, such as sell low after ipo.

so typical ipo process is like that:
1) launch or host an ipo coin
2) let people buy them
3) if not enough people buy them, bittrex will buy. bittrex has nothing to lose as  i ll explain in step 4.
4) when ipo period ends, bittrex dumps their coins to people that willing to buy lower. so bittrex makes 2 times profit. 1 from % fees, 2 from early coin buys with ghost btcs to dump coins for real btc
5) bittrex profits, dev profits, investors lose.
6) bittrex host an another ico.

[kingscrown]

If Bittrex allow this to go through it will be the last straw for me. Will pull all funds out for good.

Luckily I did not buy, I was just checking this coin for considering a pool to be set up and stumbled over SO many things that I needed to open this topic...

And I STILL believe that Bittrex is not "bad" - They are just "being raped and used" as a tool - but they will have to do "something" in the future to prevent such a fiasco like with Usecoin...

sadly bittrex deleted SIS that had no ipo/premine yet scams still go on there ;x
i still believe bittrex guys are decent but some of this moves i dont understand

[owlcatz]

If Bittrex allow this to go through it will be the last straw for me. Will pull all funds out for good.

Luckily I did not buy, I was just checking this coin for considering a pool to be set up and stumbled over SO many things that I needed to open this topic...

And I STILL believe that Bittrex is not "bad" - They are just "being raped and used" as a tool - but they will have to do "something" in the future to prevent such a fiasco like with Usecoin...

sadly bittrex deleted SIS that had no ipo/premine yet scams still go on there ;x
i still believe bittrex guys are decent but some of this moves i dont understand

its a scam. the dev keeps deleing all evidence that's all. bittrex should figure it out if not, i'm done there!!

[fox19891989]

check here, 3 accounts has same IP https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=754271.msg8516436#msg8516436

IT IS A FUCKING SCAM

[kingscrown]

HYPER als oseems ot be scam in the end - dev droped whole premine. added it as 3rd coin to not use in last post on http://fuk.io

[Gladimor]

HYPER als oseems ot be scam in the end - dev droped whole premine. added it as 3rd coin to not use in last post on http://fuk.io

Be careful with your words 
There is no "dev" for HYPER- it is a huge team of developers. And I am one of them. So don't start FUD please. And also, all of the premines are intact and held in escrow indefinitely.

[kingscrown]

HYPER als oseems ot be scam in the end - dev droped whole premine. added it as 3rd coin to not use in last post on http://fuk.io

Be careful with your words 
There is no "dev" for HYPER- it is a huge team of developers. And I am one of them. So don't start FUD please. And also, all of the premines are intact and held in escrow indefinitely.

dev did login to account and dev did not reply/pay.
where is FUD here?

[tobeaj2mer01]

Bittrex hold the coins until the first beta release, it's the best solution!!! Time will tell if Cluster is a scam or there are too many FUDDERS in the thread

[Gladimor]

HYPER als oseems ot be scam in the end - dev droped whole premine. added it as 3rd coin to not use in last post on http://fuk.io

Be careful with your words 
There is no "dev" for HYPER- it is a huge team of developers. And I am one of them. So don't start FUD please. And also, all of the premines are intact and held in escrow indefinitely.

dev did login to account and dev did not reply/pay.
where is FUD here?

Our project manager responsible for issuing common bounties is currently away. You not receiving a 10 HYPER bounty for a sig campaign/tweet job does not justify the fact that HYPER is a scam.

[kingscrown]

HYPER als oseems ot be scam in the end - dev droped whole premine. added it as 3rd coin to not use in last post on http://fuk.io

Be careful with your words 
There is no "dev" for HYPER- it is a huge team of developers. And I am one of them. So don't start FUD please. And also, all of the premines are intact and held in escrow indefinitely.

dev did login to account and dev did not reply/pay.
where is FUD here?

Our project manager responsible for issuing common bounties is currently away. You not receiving a 10 HYPER bounty for a sig campaign/tweet job does not justify the fact that HYPER is a scam.

my bounty is 0,1BTC worth of HYPER + i see the account logging in - how many people have access there then? explain me why somebody logs in and doesnt reply.

[Gladimor]

HYPER als oseems ot be scam in the end - dev droped whole premine. added it as 3rd coin to not use in last post on http://fuk.io

Be careful with your words 
There is no "dev" for HYPER- it is a huge team of developers. And I am one of them. So don't start FUD please. And also, all of the premines are intact and held in escrow indefinitely.

dev did login to account and dev did not reply/pay.
where is FUD here?

Our project manager responsible for issuing common bounties is currently away. You not receiving a 10 HYPER bounty for a sig campaign/tweet job does not justify the fact that HYPER is a scam.

my bounty is 0,1BTC worth of HYPER + i see the account logging in - how many people have access there then? explain me why somebody logs in and doesnt reply.

He has been extremely busy lately. I would kindly ask you to stop, and wait for a reply from HYPERfuture.

[crimealone]

shit just got real

https://twitter.com/scammerdie/status/503736924758999040

scammer confirmed

Someone asked him to prove himself on twitter. Dev just kept deleting his posts.

[fox19891989]

If the dev is real, worst case is he doesn't get funded and a shaky idea that likely wouldn't work anyway doesn't get developed immediately.  If the idea has actual merit, it will get developed anyway, eventually.

If the dev is a scammer, worst case is a scammer gets 350 btc.

The downside to giving him the money is much, much worse than the downside to not giving him the money.

Very simple decision.  Do not give him the money.

yes, if you and me are bittrex admins, we will sure refund.

[discodancer]

Chris/OCminer, you two are always thoughtful in your responses so I welcome a discussion with you on why you think its a scam. You guys know where you can find me. I will not engage in this discussion on this forum after this post.  

Here's what I do know as a fact, please find me and discuss if you have more facts.

* Our ICO terms stated in the original ANN said the dev must deliver a working wallet, blockchain and blockchain explorer.  This is more than requested by some other ICO terms.
* the ICO is based on the premise that the funds were to be used for future developments of the project. Not what was available today.  This was clearly stated in the ANN.
* the whitepaper was laid out along with the source code of the available wallet for everyone to decide before investing in the ICO.

None of these things have changed since people decided to invest based on their research.  In fact, the dev has already agreed add additional requirements by doing PoD (not going to get into the validity of it, but it is another way to raise the bar).  Bittrex makes no guarantees beyond ensuring that the coins you have purchased arrive in your wallet.

The other anecdotal things I've seen is:

* 3 accounts created in a one month period (how many accounts were created during the bitcoin hype period?)
* said accounts were part of giveaway threads (how many accounts were part of the giveaways?)
* dev isn't responsive enough (do you know how much time WE have spent engaged with the community with people that insist on FUD).

This is the data I have.  In the world where FUD allows for market manipulation, we have to operate on facts.  And, as I have stated many times, everyone has agreed to hold funds until PoD is completed.

thanks,
Richie

Here's the problem:
"* Our ICO terms stated in the original ANN said the dev must deliver a working wallet, blockchain and blockchain explorer.  This is more than requested by some other ICO terms." ---> And why is that? The obvious issue is if you set a bar so low that anyone without a wallet/blockchain/blockchain explorer can open an ICO on your site, there is obviously something wrong with your site. How much time do you think will pass before you get branded as the cryptostocks of alt ICOs?

I had a discussion with Richie over this post via PM. Here's what he has to say:

1) The bar is low yes, but that is what it is.  If you think it is too low, then do not be a part of the ICO.  The alternative is people do ICOs on BCT and things like $STACK happen where users have no chance at all.  We DO NOT want to police things.  We are an escrow service.  I don't know how to say that to make it any clearer.

My interpretation from this is bittrex is going to allow anyone with a whitepaper and idea (but zero coding skills) to sell their ICOs while using the bittrex logo (read allow exploiting the brand name). All in the name of getting volume to the exchange.

[jdh015232]

imagine if bittrex releases the funds and the dev dissapears, they would be ruined, aswell as they would get sued. i hope they are thinking of all this aswell.
their is quite a good bit of evidence that this could be a big scam, and if bittrex doesnt responsibly listen to the community and ends up releasing the funds and it turns out to be a scam, they are just as in on the scam as the scammers, them being enablers of the scam and will have much legal trouble because it could have been prevented

[standards]

Dev is obviously not a coder. All his posts are crap from the very beginning to the very end.

[Epimetheus]

Just ask yourself this question:"If you were the dev behind CLSTR and you see this mess, what would you do?". Just be reasonable. If you are an honest guy you would probably say "Well, if people do not trust me or the project anymore I don't want their money" or maybe "get the btc in parts while development progresses in time to gain trust". But the dev does not even want to think about a step towards the investors. He is just worried about getting the BTC Think...

[forzendiablo]

im taking out money from bittrex right now, this exchange is too risky at this point

[Epimetheus]

Chris/OCminer, you two are always thoughtful in your responses so I welcome a discussion with you on why you think its a scam. You guys know where you can find me. I will not engage in this discussion on this forum after this post.  

Here's what I do know as a fact, please find me and discuss if you have more facts.

* Our ICO terms stated in the original ANN said the dev must deliver a working wallet, blockchain and blockchain explorer.  This is more than requested by some other ICO terms.
* the ICO is based on the premise that the funds were to be used for future developments of the project. Not what was available today.  This was clearly stated in the ANN.
* the whitepaper was laid out along with the source code of the available wallet for everyone to decide before investing in the ICO.

None of these things have changed since people decided to invest based on their research.  In fact, the dev has already agreed add additional requirements by doing PoD (not going to get into the validity of it, but it is another way to raise the bar).  Bittrex makes no guarantees beyond ensuring that the coins you have purchased arrive in your wallet.

The other anecdotal things I've seen is:

* 3 accounts created in a one month period (how many accounts were created during the bitcoin hype period?)
* said accounts were part of giveaway threads (how many accounts were part of the giveaways?)
* dev isn't responsive enough (do you know how much time WE have spent engaged with the community with people that insist on FUD).

This is the data I have.  In the world where FUD allows for market manipulation, we have to operate on facts.  And, as I have stated many times, everyone has agreed to hold funds until PoD is completed.

thanks,
Richie

Here's the problem:
"* Our ICO terms stated in the original ANN said the dev must deliver a working wallet, blockchain and blockchain explorer.  This is more than requested by some other ICO terms." ---> And why is that? The obvious issue is if you set a bar so low that anyone without a wallet/blockchain/blockchain explorer can open an ICO on your site, there is obviously something wrong with your site. How much time do you think will pass before you get branded as the cryptostocks of alt ICOs?

I had a discussion with Richie over this post via PM. Here's what he has to say:

1) The bar is low yes, but that is what it is.  If you think it is too low, then do not be a part of the ICO.  The alternative is people do ICOs on BCT and things like $STACK happen where users have no chance at all.  We DO NOT want to police things.  We are an escrow service.  I don't know how to say that to make it any clearer.

My interpretation from this is bittrex is going to allow anyone with a whitepaper and idea (but zero coding skills) to sell their ICOs while using the bittrex logo (read allow exploiting the brand name). All in the name of getting volume to the exchange.

Bittrex has set themselves up for major headaches.  Their best bet is to walk away from ICOs immediately.

They will lose the trust of many customers if they release the fund and it turns out to be a scam as expected.

[hashtag101]

imagine if bittrex releases the funds and the dev dissapears, they would be ruined, aswell as they would get sued. i hope they are thinking of all this aswell.
their is quite a good bit of evidence that this could be a big scam, and if bittrex doesnt responsibly listen to the community and ends up releasing the funds and it turns out to be a scam, they are just as in on the scam as the scammers, them being enablers of the scam and will have much legal trouble because it could have been prevented

No sorry, go back to law school.

IF Bittrex doesnt' release the funds they can be sued, the terms will be met.

They are the escrow, they are not supposed to decide on what is right or wrong with the future of the coin, or what the dev did in the past.

There is an agreement, in black and white, they read the agreement, and if the agreement was met they release the money, if it was not met, they return the money.

They are the escrow, not the crypto police. it is a legal problem, its a contract, and it must be followed

you guys are grasping at straws here and blaming the wrong people

[fox19891989]

imagine if bittrex releases the funds and the dev dissapears, they would be ruined, aswell as they would get sued. i hope they are thinking of all this aswell.
their is quite a good bit of evidence that this could be a big scam, and if bittrex doesnt responsibly listen to the community and ends up releasing the funds and it turns out to be a scam, they are just as in on the scam as the scammers, them being enablers of the scam and will have much legal trouble because it could have been prevented

No sorry, go back to law school.

IF Bittrex doesnt' release the funds they can be sued, the terms will be met.

They are the escrow, they are not supposed to decide on what is right or wrong with the future of the coin, or what the dev did in the past.

There is an agreement, in black and white, they read the agreement, and if the agreement was met they release the money, if it was not met, they return the money.

They are the escrow, not the crypto police. it is a legal problem, its a contract, and it must be followed

you guys are grasping at straws here and blaming the wrong people

PPL get scammed, that will be also criminal, in US btc is legal money

[jdh015232]

imagine if bittrex releases the funds and the dev dissapears, they would be ruined, aswell as they would get sued. i hope they are thinking of all this aswell.
their is quite a good bit of evidence that this could be a big scam, and if bittrex doesnt responsibly listen to the community and ends up releasing the funds and it turns out to be a scam, they are just as in on the scam as the scammers, them being enablers of the scam and will have much legal trouble because it could have been prevented

No sorry, go back to law school.

IF Bittrex doesnt' release the funds they can be sued, the terms will be met.

They are the escrow, they are not supposed to decide on what is right or wrong with the future of the coin, or what the dev did in the past.

There is an agreement, in black and white, they read the agreement, and if the agreement was met they release the money, if it was not met, they return the money.

They are the escrow, not the crypto police. it is a legal problem, its a contract, and it must be followed

you guys are grasping at straws here and blaming the wrong people

oh ya show me a signed agreement between bittrex and the dev and than you are correct. but since their is no binding agreement, and upon the discovery of NEW FACTS from the community pointing out extremely suspicious behavior from the likes of the dev that this could just be an elaborate scam, bittrex is now responsible as the escrow agent more than anyone to make the right decision. what is the dev going to do, sue bittrex?? he will never win anything because he never even developed anything. however the community coming together against bittrex if they decide to release the funds and it does turn out to be a scam, would be devastating

[prospecta]

imagine if bittrex releases the funds and the dev dissapears, they would be ruined, aswell as they would get sued. i hope they are thinking of all this aswell.
their is quite a good bit of evidence that this could be a big scam, and if bittrex doesnt responsibly listen to the community and ends up releasing the funds and it turns out to be a scam, they are just as in on the scam as the scammers, them being enablers of the scam and will have much legal trouble because it could have been prevented

No sorry, go back to law school.

IF Bittrex doesnt' release the funds they can be sued, the terms will be met.

They are the escrow, they are not supposed to decide on what is right or wrong with the future of the coin, or what the dev did in the past.

There is an agreement, in black and white, they read the agreement, and if the agreement was met they release the money, if it was not met, they return the money.

They are the escrow, not the crypto police. it is a legal problem, its a contract, and it must be followed

you guys are grasping at straws here and blaming the wrong people

Actually I have already discussed this with richie.  There is NO legal contract or agreement in place, just an informal over the internet agreement between an anonymous "dev" and Bittrex.

The "dev" has no grounds for complaint if he is not given the 350 BTC as he has no legally binding contract in place, no signature...nothing.

[galaxy]

you people have no concept of what an escrow is.

You people are blaming Bittrex??


That is the stupidest thing I have seen here on this forum in all long time.

[balk]

there is still only 1 address mining this coin...the devs... it will only take 1.5TH to do a 51% attack...if everyone started mining for 15 mins if would raise difficulty level up so dev would be unable to keep the blockchain going..you would end up with a non syncing wallet and maybe a better chance of a refund

[jdh015232]

you people have no concept of what an escrow is.

You people are blaming Bittrex??


That is the stupidest thing I have seen here on this forum in all long time.

its not about blame anymore. its about WE KNOW NOW theirs a big possibility this is just A SCAM, and WE CAN STOP IT FROM HAPPENING STILL. now that we know this, BITTREX is responsible as the escrow agent to every single investor WAY MORE than to some "anonymous DEV"

[hashtag101]

you people have no concept of what an escrow is.

You people are blaming Bittrex??


That is the stupidest thing I have seen here on this forum in all long time.

its not about blame anymore. its about WE KNOW NOW theirs a big possibility this is just A SCAM, and WE CAN STOP IT FROM HAPPENING STILL. now that we know this, BITTREX is responsible as the escrow agent to every single investor WAY MORE than to some "anonymous DEV"

You people are retarded

I lost money too, but to blame Bittrex is beyond retarded

[galaxy]

It is your fault, not Bittrex

I would lost total faith in Bittrex if they didn't release the money if the terms are met

[chilli89]

imagine if bittrex releases the funds and the dev dissapears, they would be ruined, aswell as they would get sued. i hope they are thinking of all this aswell.
their is quite a good bit of evidence that this could be a big scam, and if bittrex doesnt responsibly listen to the community and ends up releasing the funds and it turns out to be a scam, they are just as in on the scam as the scammers, them being enablers of the scam and will have much legal trouble because it could have been prevented

No sorry, go back to law school.

IF Bittrex doesnt' release the funds they can be sued, the terms will be met.

you're nuts if you think a scammer would try sue them, he would be better off hanging himself

[Chris001]

It is your fault, not Bittrex

I would lost total faith in Bittrex if they didn't release the money if the terms are met

Exactly, you guys are putting the blame of the exchange and that is not the right thing to do

I lost a shitload of BTC out of this deal, but Bittrex is just doing thier job.

We bought a bad product. Plain and simple. I blame myself for failing to do the proper research, period.

Look in the mirror guys, that is the person to blame here, US


And the dev, of course.

Im pissed as hell about this but your anger is clouding your ability to think rational here

[Epimetheus]

imagine if bittrex releases the funds and the dev dissapears, they would be ruined, aswell as they would get sued. i hope they are thinking of all this aswell.
their is quite a good bit of evidence that this could be a big scam, and if bittrex doesnt responsibly listen to the community and ends up releasing the funds and it turns out to be a scam, they are just as in on the scam as the scammers, them being enablers of the scam and will have much legal trouble because it could have been prevented

No sorry, go back to law school.

IF Bittrex doesnt' release the funds they can be sued, the terms will be met.

you're nuts if you think a scammer would try sue them, he would be better off hanging himself

+1

[Chris001]

there is still only 1 address mining this coin...the devs... it will only take 1.5TH to do a 51% attack...if everyone started mining for 15 mins if would raise difficulty level up so dev would be unable to keep the blockchain going..you would end up with a non syncing wallet and maybe a better chance of a refund

Now this is someone who is using their brain.

Pretty good idea!!

A lot better than just aiming your anger in the incorrect direction!!

Can we do this idea?

[Chris001]

guys

http://www.consumerfinance.gov/complaint/#money-transfer

this is website for consumer protection in the USA

I have filed my complaint
and I urge you guys all to do the same
RAMI and RICHIE don't give a shit as long they keep making money
the only way they are going to listen to people and treat us like customers is to have pressure put on them from above
if enough people that have been scammed start sending complaints bittrex will be in trouble
this has gone too far now
and i wont allow them to get away with it

This is the most asinine thing I have ever read in a long time. Good luck with that.

 

[hashtag101]

there is still only 1 address mining this coin...the devs... it will only take 1.5TH to do a 51% attack...if everyone started mining for 15 mins if would raise difficulty level up so dev would be unable to keep the blockchain going..you would end up with a non syncing wallet and maybe a better chance of a refund

Now this is someone who is using their brain.

Pretty good idea!!

A lot better than just aiming your anger in the incorrect direction!!

Can we do this idea?

Yes, let's do this. Should we start a thread for this? Start a PM chain. I think this might work, what do the rest of you thik?

[balk]

there is still only 1 address mining this coin...the devs... it will only take 1.5TH to do a 51% attack...if everyone started mining for 15 mins if would raise difficulty level up so dev would be unable to keep the blockchain going..you would end up with a non syncing wallet and maybe a better chance of a refund

Now this is someone who is using their brain.

Pretty good idea!!

A lot better than just aiming your anger in the incorrect direction!!

Can we do this idea?

i suggest setting a deadline date/time and have a community mining attack...people power will win

[stormia]

The market has been disabled for over a day now.. was that part of the terms of their agreement? I don't think so.. Something is obviously wrong with the coin and so the ICO should be returned.

[Chris001]

how would a 51% attack work?

Does anyone know BTCXpress

He would know how to do this

[ocminer]

Its too late for a 51% Attack as bittrex already has the funds and just needs to send them to the dev.

But whats the news so far ? I got lost in the old thread more or less as so much is deleted/added ...

Did the Dev now finally posted a video proof of the tests he (claims to be) is doing with this superlogic ultrafuturistic world cluster simulation now ? This would clear pretty much of the accusations ...

[qawzsx]

dev is a asshole
who only has time for deleting posts and nothing else
this a confirmed scam
and if bittrex gives him his money its time to raise hell

its time to get smart you freaking idiots...
you all deserve to lose your money. your greed is limitless

put your money in stable coins, and help the devs trying to actually do something, not some idiots who can only compile a clone.

there are enough coins out there with potential, but you ignore this fact, what...there is no chance to make x458458 profit over night?

hope you lose your money IDIOTS

[burnfat]

Can i ask is it that whatever the result of POD is, when it is finished, bittrex will transfer 350btc to essex?

[discodancer]

imagine if bittrex releases the funds and the dev dissapears, they would be ruined, aswell as they would get sued. i hope they are thinking of all this aswell.
their is quite a good bit of evidence that this could be a big scam, and if bittrex doesnt responsibly listen to the community and ends up releasing the funds and it turns out to be a scam, they are just as in on the scam as the scammers, them being enablers of the scam and will have much legal trouble because it could have been prevented

No sorry, go back to law school.

IF Bittrex doesnt' release the funds they can be sued, the terms will be met.

They are the escrow, they are not supposed to decide on what is right or wrong with the future of the coin, or what the dev did in the past.

There is an agreement, in black and white, they read the agreement, and if the agreement was met they release the money, if it was not met, they return the money.

They are the escrow, not the crypto police. it is a legal problem, its a contract, and it must be followed

you guys are grasping at straws here and blaming the wrong people

PPL get scammed, that will be also criminal, in US btc is legal money

Here's the ringer - If btc is legal money, what CLSTR and bittrex are doing is purely illegal. Until the JOBS Act III is promulgated, there is no grounds for collecting money for an IPO.

[Chris001]

imagine if bittrex releases the funds and the dev dissapears, they would be ruined, aswell as they would get sued. i hope they are thinking of all this aswell.
their is quite a good bit of evidence that this could be a big scam, and if bittrex doesnt responsibly listen to the community and ends up releasing the funds and it turns out to be a scam, they are just as in on the scam as the scammers, them being enablers of the scam and will have much legal trouble because it could have been prevented

No sorry, go back to law school.

IF Bittrex doesnt' release the funds they can be sued, the terms will be met.

They are the escrow, they are not supposed to decide on what is right or wrong with the future of the coin, or what the dev did in the past.

There is an agreement, in black and white, they read the agreement, and if the agreement was met they release the money, if it was not met, they return the money.

They are the escrow, not the crypto police. it is a legal problem, its a contract, and it must be followed

you guys are grasping at straws here and blaming the wrong people

PPL get scammed, that will be also criminal, in US btc is legal money

Here's the ringer - If btc is legal money, what CLSTR and bittrex are doing is purely illegal. Until the JOBS Act III is promulgated, there is no grounds for collecting money for an IPO.

complete nonsense LOL

[discodancer]

imagine if bittrex releases the funds and the dev dissapears, they would be ruined, aswell as they would get sued. i hope they are thinking of all this aswell.
their is quite a good bit of evidence that this could be a big scam, and if bittrex doesnt responsibly listen to the community and ends up releasing the funds and it turns out to be a scam, they are just as in on the scam as the scammers, them being enablers of the scam and will have much legal trouble because it could have been prevented

No sorry, go back to law school.

IF Bittrex doesnt' release the funds they can be sued, the terms will be met.

They are the escrow, they are not supposed to decide on what is right or wrong with the future of the coin, or what the dev did in the past.

There is an agreement, in black and white, they read the agreement, and if the agreement was met they release the money, if it was not met, they return the money.

They are the escrow, not the crypto police. it is a legal problem, its a contract, and it must be followed

you guys are grasping at straws here and blaming the wrong people

PPL get scammed, that will be also criminal, in US btc is legal money

Here's the ringer - If btc is legal money, what CLSTR and bittrex are doing is purely illegal. Until the JOBS Act III is promulgated, there is no grounds for collecting money for an IPO.

complete nonsense LOL

Maybe adding more smileys will help with your idiotic ness or lack of being able to google:
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304163604579532251627028512

The obvious fact being "if btc being a legal tender" something I am unclear on.

[Chris001]

imagine if bittrex releases the funds and the dev dissapears, they would be ruined, aswell as they would get sued. i hope they are thinking of all this aswell.
their is quite a good bit of evidence that this could be a big scam, and if bittrex doesnt responsibly listen to the community and ends up releasing the funds and it turns out to be a scam, they are just as in on the scam as the scammers, them being enablers of the scam and will have much legal trouble because it could have been prevented

No sorry, go back to law school.

IF Bittrex doesnt' release the funds they can be sued, the terms will be met.

They are the escrow, they are not supposed to decide on what is right or wrong with the future of the coin, or what the dev did in the past.

There is an agreement, in black and white, they read the agreement, and if the agreement was met they release the money, if it was not met, they return the money.

They are the escrow, not the crypto police. it is a legal problem, its a contract, and it must be followed

you guys are grasping at straws here and blaming the wrong people

PPL get scammed, that will be also criminal, in US btc is legal money

Here's the ringer - If btc is legal money, what CLSTR and bittrex are doing is purely illegal. Until the JOBS Act III is promulgated, there is no grounds for collecting money for an IPO.

complete nonsense LOL

Maybe adding more smileys will help with your idiotic ness or lack of being able to google:
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304163604579532251627028512

The obvious fact being "if btc being a legal tender" something I am unclear on.

No it is not considered money in the us. It is considered and asset, and usually viewed and a "token"

[px66]

It is your fault, not Bittrex

I would lost total faith in Bittrex if they didn't release the money if the terms are met

"Its your fault", "We were only the escrow service" or "Investors should have done thier homework" is not a good defense against Conspiracy to Defraud, Wire Fraud and Racketeering charges.

[Chris001]

It is your fault, not Bittrex

I would lost total faith in Bittrex if they didn't release the money if the terms are met

"Its your fault", "We were only the escrow service" or "Investors should have done thier homework" is not a good defense against Conspiracy to Defraud, Wire Fraud and Racketeering charges.

This is getting more ridiculous by the minute.

Where do you people come from

I'm actually shocked you could spell all those words

[discodancer]

imagine if bittrex releases the funds and the dev dissapears, they would be ruined, aswell as they would get sued. i hope they are thinking of all this aswell.
their is quite a good bit of evidence that this could be a big scam, and if bittrex doesnt responsibly listen to the community and ends up releasing the funds and it turns out to be a scam, they are just as in on the scam as the scammers, them being enablers of the scam and will have much legal trouble because it could have been prevented

No sorry, go back to law school.

IF Bittrex doesnt' release the funds they can be sued, the terms will be met.

They are the escrow, they are not supposed to decide on what is right or wrong with the future of the coin, or what the dev did in the past.

There is an agreement, in black and white, they read the agreement, and if the agreement was met they release the money, if it was not met, they return the money.

They are the escrow, not the crypto police. it is a legal problem, its a contract, and it must be followed

you guys are grasping at straws here and blaming the wrong people

PPL get scammed, that will be also criminal, in US btc is legal money

Here's the ringer - If btc is legal money, what CLSTR and bittrex are doing is purely illegal. Until the JOBS Act III is promulgated, there is no grounds for collecting money for an IPO.

complete nonsense LOL

Maybe adding more smileys will help with your idiotic ness or lack of being able to google:
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304163604579532251627028512

The obvious fact being "if btc being a legal tender" something I am unclear on.

No it is not considered money in the us. It is considered and asset, and usually viewed and a "token"

So there you go. I am not completely aware of how a token would work in terms of raising money but my view is people should be aware of the rule:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/chancebarnett/2013/10/23/sec-jobs-act-title-iii-investment-being-democratized-moving-online/

provides a better clarification on raising money via crowd funding (ICO).

[hashtag101]

OMG the weirdos are really coming out of the woodwork now lol

This is getting good

(gets popcorn)

[owlcatz]

OMG the weirdos are really coming out of the woodwork now lol

This is getting good

(gets popcorn)

Bittrex CLSTR faq - https://bittrex.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/203082940

[galaxy]

It's nice to see everyone stopped placing the blame on Bittrex.

That was totally unfair as hell

[Chris001]

It's nice to see everyone stopped placing the blame on Bittrex.

That was totally unfair as hell

No kidding, It was really starting to piss me off.

They were just doing their jobs, correctly I might add.

On top of that it was taking the focus away from the person we should really be going after, The Cluster Coin DeV!!


FUCK YOU ASSHOLE BTW, you piece of shit scumbag!!!

[kindofasaint]

<void_username> and if you refund all 12 will still want to ICO with you
<mothermole1> haha
<Somekindabitcoin> I did nazi dat coming
<•bittrex-richie> void_username: maybe... maybe not... its hard to predict... i do know that a lot of the bigger players want us to hold up our end of the agreement


Pressure from the big players is all it takes, just like IRL... a lot of money at stake, money going directly into big pockets to fatten the load. I wonder who those big players are.

Two things are confirmed:

A crook dev: All the evidence is there, ips, accounts, ICO_DUDE aka "dev" rooting for the dev and with an active offer to buy more accounts. Can't provide proof of development, can't tweet from "his" twitter. Doesn't post on any thread but magically posts to his defense on the thread were it is confirmed to the same ips. etc etc etc. You didn't deliver anything, you won't lose anything. why do you insist on getting the btc?

ICO buyers: Yes it is our fault to buy the coins on a reputable exchange after doing our research (or not), thinking they wouldn't deal with scammers and them having more resources to filter what coins they list. Yes, but the USE fiasco happened. That is new evidence.

There is no legal agreement. This is down to ethics and what is morally right; hurting the very people that support you and helping a criminal get away with it while you still take your profits, or not.
It is common knowledge that there is indirectly a lot or money to be made from scammers and scammed victims, just like attorneys, there is a lot to be made from defending criminals by playing the system.
Facilitating scams is profitable, no doubt; hey! you're not breaking any laws apparently.

ICO buyers took the usual risks but had no way of knowing who excatly they were dealing with if the USE scam had not happened the same day on your very exchange. It is new concrete evidence, give it to the red cross or to your favorite charity or destroy the coins, I don't care. But do not give this crook more tools to keep on screwing the industry that feeds your "side project"

[ocminer]

So I assume still no updates.. No PoD.. No Evidence "Proof of Development" regarding a Video of the Dev "testing" etc ?

Clouds are getting darker and darker...

Pre-FUD (not finally proven yet):

[Chris001]

It is their job to give the "crook" our BTC, like it or not.

This is what we asked Bittrex to do. Plain and simple

It's black and white. No gray area here. Either the clusterfuck followed the terms or he didn't.

All the rest is just bullshit. Plain and simple. I would get my 2 BTC back if Bittrex did the WRONG thing.

But I don't think they will, they are the escrow and they are going to do their job as such. This is what we want them to do.

What don't people get about that? I guess when people stand to lose money they will convince themselves of anything. LOL

[ocminer]

It is their job to give the "crook" our BTC, like it or not.

This is what we asked Bittrex to do. Plain and simple

It's black and white. No gray area here. Either the clusterfuck followed the terms or he didn't.

All the rest is just bullshit. Plain and simple. I would get my 2 BTC back if Bittrex did the WRONG thing.

But I don't think they will, they are the escrow and they are going to do their job as such. This is what we want them to do.

What don't people get about that? I guess when people stand to lose money they will convince themselves of anything. LOL

Yeah well but its obvious that the scammers are using Bittrex reputation to make money from.. many wouldn't have invested if the IPO was on c-cex or <insertyourscamexhere>...

[Chris001]

It is their job to give the "crook" our BTC, like it or not.

This is what we asked Bittrex to do. Plain and simple

It's black and white. No gray area here. Either the clusterfuck followed the terms or he didn't.

All the rest is just bullshit. Plain and simple. I would get my 2 BTC back if Bittrex did the WRONG thing.

But I don't think they will, they are the escrow and they are going to do their job as such. This is what we want them to do.

What don't people get about that? I guess when people stand to lose money they will convince themselves of anything. LOL

Yeah well but its obvious that the scammers are using Bittrex reputation to make money from.. many wouldn't have invested if the IPO was on c-cex or <insertyourscamexhere>...

I totally agree, but isnt' that because we all know they are going to follow the terms of the agreement?

The terms should have had something about the coin operating as they said it would.

Not just a blockchain, wallet, etc.

That is what sucks here

[Chris001]

It is their job to give the "crook" our BTC, like it or not.

This is what we asked Bittrex to do. Plain and simple

It's black and white. No gray area here. Either the clusterfuck followed the terms or he didn't.

All the rest is just bullshit. Plain and simple. I would get my 2 BTC back if Bittrex did the WRONG thing.

But I don't think they will, they are the escrow and they are going to do their job as such. This is what we want them to do.

What don't people get about that? I guess when people stand to lose money they will convince themselves of anything. LOL

It's nice that you'd like to eliminate the gray area here, but just because you say there isn't one doesn't make it so. 

Sorry about that.

Im not getting rid of the gray area, there isn't one. It black and white, 3 checkboxes, are there checks in each box?

Hey, I'm pissed to but there is nothing Bittrex can do if you ask me. Tell me something that makes sense, and Im behind you.

I don't want to lose my BTC either

[ocminer]

It is their job to give the "crook" our BTC, like it or not.

This is what we asked Bittrex to do. Plain and simple

It's black and white. No gray area here. Either the clusterfuck followed the terms or he didn't.

All the rest is just bullshit. Plain and simple. I would get my 2 BTC back if Bittrex did the WRONG thing.

But I don't think they will, they are the escrow and they are going to do their job as such. This is what we want them to do.

What don't people get about that? I guess when people stand to lose money they will convince themselves of anything. LOL

Yeah well but its obvious that the scammers are using Bittrex reputation to make money from.. many wouldn't have invested if the IPO was on c-cex or <insertyourscamexhere>...

I totally agree, but isnt' that because we all know they are going to follow the terms of the agreement?

The terms should have had something about the coin operating as they said it would.

Not just a blockchain, wallet, etc.

That is what sucks here

+1 ... yup...

you literally buy hot air...

[Chris001]

It is their job to give the "crook" our BTC, like it or not.

This is what we asked Bittrex to do. Plain and simple

It's black and white. No gray area here. Either the clusterfuck followed the terms or he didn't.

All the rest is just bullshit. Plain and simple. I would get my 2 BTC back if Bittrex did the WRONG thing.

But I don't think they will, they are the escrow and they are going to do their job as such. This is what we want them to do.

What don't people get about that? I guess when people stand to lose money they will convince themselves of anything. LOL

It's nice that you'd like to eliminate the gray area here, but just because you say there isn't one doesn't make it so. 

Sorry about that.

Im not getting rid of the gray area, there isn't one. It black and white, 3 checkboxes, are there checks in each box?

Hey, I'm pissed to but there is nothing Bittrex can do if you ask me. Tell me something that makes sense, and Im behind you.

I don't want to lose my BTC either

Bittrex can not give him the coins.  That remains an option.  They can refund the BTC to the market.

Still an option, always has been. 

This isn't some mechanical process.

You explain to me how they can do that and still be called a real escrow service?

[Chris001]

Im just happy that Im fairly confident that I will recoup my losses from cluster from Neoscoin and then some.

Thank god I invested much more heavily into that!

[HunterS]

It is their job to give the "crook" our BTC, like it or not.

This is what we asked Bittrex to do. Plain and simple

It's black and white. No gray area here. Either the clusterfuck followed the terms or he didn't.

All the rest is just bullshit. Plain and simple. I would get my 2 BTC back if Bittrex did the WRONG thing.

But I don't think they will, they are the escrow and they are going to do their job as such. This is what we want them to do.

What don't people get about that? I guess when people stand to lose money they will convince themselves of anything. LOL

It's nice that you'd like to eliminate the gray area here, but just because you say there isn't one doesn't make it so. 

Sorry about that.

Im not getting rid of the gray area, there isn't one. It black and white, 3 checkboxes, are there checks in each box?

Hey, I'm pissed to but there is nothing Bittrex can do if you ask me. Tell me something that makes sense, and Im behind you.

I don't want to lose my BTC either

Bittrex can not give him the coins.  That remains an option.  They can refund the BTC to the market.

Still an option, always has been. 

This isn't some mechanical process.

You explain to me how they can do that and still be called a real escrow service?

well if bittrex gives them the coins and they disappear it will be very bad for bittrex.nearly 175k US worth of btc.it aint going to fly under the radar.i can see this end really bad for everyone.

[omgbossis21]

Its more like if they do that its a breach of contract and the dev stands to make way more off a lawsuit.  If those were the terms, those 3 boxes, and their all check....  terms met.  If the community wanted it different then you should of not paid or banded together to ask for change in the terms early on.  What I really don't get is if you pick tens coin in the altcoin section your going to lose money on 8-9 of them one way or another.  Giving money up front to produce a coin led people to believe that would change things how?  The initial terms are met for this coin on most all crap coins.... 

[Chris001]

You explain to me how they can do that and still be called a real escrow service?

Sure. It's very simple.

If one of the parties in the escrow has not been acting in good faith, they cancel the whole thing, which means returning  the BTC to the market.

A completely legitimate decision.

Again, this is not a mechanical process, no matter how much you try to represent it as such.

You clearly don't understand how an escrow works.

There are terms. If those terms are met, the terms are met.

It's very simple. Like I said, it's really easy for smart people to all of a sudden have clouded thinking when they stand to lose money.

There really is no opinion to he had here. We are dealing in plain facts.  Bittrex can't break the terms of the agreement because of facts outside of the agreement have come to light.

We are dealing in facts here. There is no disputing them. It's black and white if you like it or not.

[Chris001]

Let's say you're a fan of Magic The Gathering, like all crypto people since Jed.

Bob tells you they have a MTG card to sell you.

You say, ok, let's do this deal with an escrow.

Both of you agree.

You send the escrow the money for the MTG card.

Bob delivers the card, when suddenly....

Alice shows up and says the card is stolen.

There's an investigation and it turns out Bob stole the card.

The escrow in that situation is under no obligation to release payment to Bob.

Bob has not been acting in good faith, so the escrow is completely justified in returning the money to you.

Yes, but your analogy does not hold up here. Im sorry you lost money, as did I, but you are adding things into a very simple agreement.

As much as you would like to see this guy not get the BTC, he has his ass completely covered, and their is nothing that Bittrex can do here.

[Chris001]

You explain to me how they can do that and still be called a real escrow service?

Sure. It's very simple.

If one of the parties in the escrow has not been acting in good faith, they cancel the whole thing, which means returning  the BTC to the market.

A completely legitimate decision.

Again, this is not a mechanical process, no matter how much you try to represent it as such.

You clearly don't understand how an escrow works.

There are terms. If those terms are met, the terms are met.

It's very simple. Like I said, it's really easy for smart people to all of a sudden have clouded thinking when they stand to lose money.

There really is no opinion to he had here. We are dealing in plain facts.  Bittrex can't break the terms of the agreement because of facts outside of the agreement have come to light.

We are dealing in facts here. There is no disputing them. It's black and white if you like it or not.

No, that's no how an escrow works.  You're simply wrong.

It's not a mechanical process.  It wasn't the first time you said it, and it's still not.

Contracts are made to be pretty mechanical in nature. That is why they are there.

You thinking that Bittrex can just step in and say "nope, were not honoring the contract" is foolish at best.

[galaxy]

their is nothing that Bittrex can do here.

This won't be any more true the 100th time you say it.

BTW, I have no money at stake in this instance.  But I'm tired of scammers, and action needs to be taken to stop them whenever possible.

It's possible here.

You clearly don't understand how the law works

NO, Nothing can be done here or Bittrex would have done something to help there customers. Don't you think?

[hashtag101]

Contracts are made to be pretty mechanical in nature. That is why they are there.

You thinking that Bittrex can just step in and say "nope, were not honoring the contract" is foolish at best.

Contracts are declared void due to misrepresentation all the time.

We're at a stage where you have no idea at all what you're talking about, so I'm moving on.

LOL that might be a good idea for you to bow out here yes
you just got schooled LMFAO

To act like youre leaving because someone else doesn't know what they are talking about is so funny
You ever make it past the 8th grade lol

[Chris001]

Contracts are made to be pretty mechanical in nature. That is why they are there.

You thinking that Bittrex can just step in and say "nope, were not honoring the contract" is foolish at best.

Contracts are declared void due to misrepresentation all the time.

We're at a stage where you have no idea at all what you're talking about, so I'm moving on.

Yeah, you move on my friend.

You are out of you're league here, sorry for your loss

Pretty weak exit btw

Try to have some class

[hashtag101]

who the hell you calling stupid?

Who the hell are you?

Make a point or get the hell out of here weirdo.

[hashtag101]

Contracts are made to be pretty mechanical in nature. That is why they are there.

You thinking that Bittrex can just step in and say "nope, were not honoring the contract" is foolish at best.

Contracts are declared void due to misrepresentation all the time.

We're at a stage where you have no idea at all what you're talking about, so I'm moving on.

Bitcycle,

"Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience." –Mark Twain

I better not be one of the stupid people youre referring to, I hope that is not the case.

i tell ya that

stop trolling a serious conversation!!

[mothermole1]

Guys.. Let's focus on the task at hand. Namely fucking over the ClusterCoinDev's plans at early retirement. I don't give a shit if he has a solid deal. I think he's a douchebag who deserves to get shivved.

[fox19891989]

there is still only 1 address mining this coin...the devs... it will only take 1.5TH to do a 51% attack...if everyone started mining for 15 mins if would raise difficulty level up so dev would be unable to keep the blockchain going..you would end up with a non syncing wallet and maybe a better chance of a refund

good idea, who can help us to 51% attack this shit coin blockchain, tks. If the blockchain not working, we will get refund

[prospecta]

1) There is no legally binding contract, this was confirmed by richie.  It is an completely informal gentleman's agreement (at best) between "Dev"/Bittrex.  Anyone saying the "dev" can sue for breach of contract is an idiot, there is no contract to breach.

2) Anyone saying "bitcoin isn't money" in the USA legal system is also an idiot.  Go look up the Trendon Shavers case, lawyers pulled that defense and judge threw it out straight away.  When it comes down to it, the assigned judge decides what is money, not some random lawyer or internet trolls take on the lack of written law.  DPR case has also had that defense thrown out.  It's safe to say if this ever made a court the "bitcoin is not money" defense would yet again be tossed out as it has been in every single other BTC related case.

The above are facts, rather than opinions, you can verify for yourself.

[balk]

you wont need to to a 51% attack....get everyone mining it to raise difficulty to a high level then leave...it is simple but not enough people interested..carry on whining

[fox19891989]

1) There is no legally binding contract, this was confirmed by richie.  It is an completely informal gentleman's agreement (at best) between "Dev"/Bittrex.  Anyone saying the "dev" can sue for breach of contract is an idiot, there is no contract to breach.

2) Anyone saying "bitcoin isn't money" in the USA legal system is also an idiot.  Go look up the Trendon Shavers case, lawyers pulled that defense and judge threw it out straight away.  When it comes down to it, the assigned judge decides what is money, not some random lawyer or internet trolls take on the lack of written law.  DPR case has also had that defense thrown out.  It's safe to say if this ever made a court the "bitcoin is not money" defense would yet again be tossed out as it has been in every single other BTC related case.

The above are facts, rather than opinions, you can verify for yourself.

+1

[fox19891989]

you wont need to to a 51% attack....get everyone mining it to raise difficulty to a high level then leave...it is simple but not enough people interested..carry on whining

get everyone mining it to raise difficulty to a high level then leave, and what will be the result?

[Bergmannx]

So some people here think the scammer will bring Bittrex up before court and are worried because they are such a nice exchange?
That's ridiculous.

Whom are you defending? Bittrex, the scammer or both?
Some posts give a deep insight...

Only scammed customers might bring Bittrex up before court and noone else!
(No, I didn't buy into these scams)

[Chris001]

So some people here think the scammer will bring Bittrex up before court and are worried because they are such a nice exchange?
That's ridiculous.

Whom are you defending? Bittrex, the scammer or both?
Some posts give a deep insight...

Only scammed customers might bring Bittrex up before court and noone else!
(No, I didn't buy into these scams)

Scammed customers sue Bittrex? please send me the drugs you're on lol

Bittrex is the escrow, following the terms of the agreement.

The scammer is slick, he has multiple scams ongoing it seems

But there is no actual proof, or let's have it, so we can all get our BTC back

That's the problem, it looks like this, or looks like that, Proof is what is needed, and the Cluster dev gets nothing.

I'm just sick of people blaming the escrow, we made a deal with a scammer, there were terms, shitty terms.
I will learn for this and never agree to such terms again. But it's too late, he got by BTC from the looks of it.

Cluster blockchain, what was I thinking, how did I fall for that? Money. If it was real, I would have made a lot of money.

Damn

[Bergmannx]

So some people here think the scammer will bring Bittrex up before court and are worried because they are such a nice exchange?
That's ridiculous.

Whom are you defending? Bittrex, the scammer or both?
Some posts give a deep insight...

Only scammed customers might bring Bittrex up before court and noone else!
(No, I didn't buy into these scams)

Scammed customers sue Bittrex? please send me the drugs you're on lol

Bittrex is the escrow, following the terms of the agreement.

The scammer is slick, he has multiple scams ongoing it seems

But there is no actual proof, or let's have it, so we can all get our BTC back

That's the problem, it looks like this, or looks like that, Proof is what is needed, and the Cluster dev gets nothing.

I'm just sick of people blaming the escrow, we made a deal with a scammer, there were terms, shitty terms.
I will learn for this and never agree to such terms again. But it's too late, he got by BTC from the looks of it.

Cluster blockchain, what was I thinking, how did I fall for that? Money. If it was real, I would have made a lot of money.

Damn

You want me to send you the drugs I'm on?
Took me like five minutes to recognise that this coin was shit.

If anyone takes drugs here then it's you.

[chilli89]

It is their job to give the "crook" our BTC, like it or not.

This is what we asked Bittrex to do. Plain and simple

It's black and white. No gray area here. Either the clusterfuck followed the terms or he didn't.

All the rest is just bullshit. Plain and simple. I would get my 2 BTC back if Bittrex did the WRONG thing.

But I don't think they will, they are the escrow and they are going to do their job as such. This is what we want them to do.

What don't people get about that? I guess when people stand to lose money they will convince themselves of anything. LOL

It's nice that you'd like to eliminate the gray area here, but just because you say there isn't one doesn't make it so.  

Sorry about that.

Im not getting rid of the gray area, there isn't one. It black and white, 3 checkboxes, are there checks in each box?

Hey, I'm pissed to but there is nothing Bittrex can do if you ask me. Tell me something that makes sense, and Im behind you.

I don't want to lose my BTC either

Your kind is whats wrong with this world, defending a clear scam here and just letting it happen because we're robots

[fox19891989]

if bank finds a scammer, the bank should terminate the agreement. WTF the informal agreement between the scammer dev and bittrex? Why bittrex terminate the agreement in the obvious scam case.

[ocminer]

Any Updates?

[prospecta]

Any Updates?

Suspiciously quiet, nothing official since "waiting for PoD".

[fox19891989]

Any Updates?

Suspiciously quiet, nothing official since "waiting for PoD".

the dev ain't be online for 12 hours, run away before getting 350 btc, I hope

[omgbossis21]

He's probably not online because theirs no need to be.  I'm sure he's feeling pretty confident he's going to get the funds released to him then after cashing out he will eventually be back for another similar coin release where this thread happens all over again with different people.

[jdh015232]

check the moderated thread
we have pretty much ousted him by making him answer questions and he answers them like the most obvious scammer with bullshit lies. it is funny to watch

[balk]

i have just raised difficulty level from 26k to 104 k on my own and no block has been found for over 30 mins.....it would only take a dozen miners to lock the blockchain...today is probably your last chance...once dev has his money(or reaches block 13000) you can all kiss goodbye any investment you had

[jdh015232]

attack the network ppl!~

[fox19891989]

who can attack? If the chain is not working after POD donw, refund will be 100%. Tks, let's fuck the scammers

51% attack and fork, let's destroy it

[balk]

stage 1...everyone open your cluster wallet and go to help...debug...console......type    setgenerate true     press enter........if enough people do this it will work....if not enough people do this then i will be accepting donations to rent hash power to kill the blockchain...

[fox19891989]

stage 1...everyone open your cluster wallet and go to help...debug...console......type    setgenerate true     press enter........if enough people do this it will work....if not enough people do this then i will be accepting donations to rent hash power to kill the blockchain...

I am trying to do now

[fox19891989]

stage 1...everyone open your cluster wallet and go to help...debug...console......type    setgenerate true     press enter........if enough people do this it will work....if not enough people do this then i will be accepting donations to rent hash power to kill the blockchain...

only 900GH/s, I don't have a mining machine, what a pity.

[Chris001]

It is their job to give the "crook" our BTC, like it or not.

This is what we asked Bittrex to do. Plain and simple

It's black and white. No gray area here. Either the clusterfuck followed the terms or he didn't.

All the rest is just bullshit. Plain and simple. I would get my 2 BTC back if Bittrex did the WRONG thing.

But I don't think they will, they are the escrow and they are going to do their job as such. This is what we want them to do.

What don't people get about that? I guess when people stand to lose money they will convince themselves of anything. LOL

It's nice that you'd like to eliminate the gray area here, but just because you say there isn't one doesn't make it so.  

Sorry about that.

Im not getting rid of the gray area, there isn't one. It black and white, 3 checkboxes, are there checks in each box?

Hey, I'm pissed to but there is nothing Bittrex can do if you ask me. Tell me something that makes sense, and Im behind you.

I don't want to lose my BTC either

Your kind is whats wrong with this world, defending a clear scam here and just letting it happen because we're robots

Learn to read. Where and why would I defend the scammer? WTF?
He jacked me for 2 BTC
Hello? lol

[Chris001]

um....

a pool owner..

or a unofficial one..

ya know if someone could give everyone a pool to go to...


umm... someone could really help out here. It's not a doubt this is pure bullshit at this point.

seems like there is enough hash out there to do it if a pool were posted up by someone....

[Bergmannx]

um....

a pool owner..

or a unofficial one..

ya know if someone could give everyone a pool to go to...


umm... someone could really help out here. It's not a doubt this is pure bullshit at this point.

seems like there is enough hash out there to do it if a pool were posted up by someone....

Selfish selfquote:

I have not been pushing any coins that have been scams!!!
Maybe coins I mined that didn't go anywhere, but wtf

All I have said and I'll say it again, we can't blame the escrow for the scammer, they are the escrow, not the scammer.

They are a shitty escrow if they don't release funds when the terms are met.

Now I'm probably working for Bittrex now too huh?

Retard.

I'm the one stating FACTS, in a jumble of idiots, who will say and do anything, wrong or right, to try to get their money back.

Fact is, none of that bullshit helps the situation we are in, "Bittrex releases funds, I'm going to mintpal" or "Bittrex releases funds they are part of the scam" is pointless talk that does nothing.

We need proof its a scam or were fucked. PERIOD.

Now, we may have something going here if the blockchain stops working. No blockchain, terms aren't met, and escrow gives us our money back.

Now there is someone who is thinking whoever came up with that idea

I know arguing with you is senseless, but here we go:

You haven't pushed Crystalcoin? Really?
Everyone can go through your history and check.

You wanted to become this scam a success, that's obvious.

You want some FACTS, that the three scams (Crystalcoin, Usecoin, Clustercoin) are made by one scammer team? So let's try:

ALL three accounts share the same IP!

If you want IPs, get a legal request for information, such as a court order. It's best to have a "chain of custody" so to speak when it comes to things like this. If we handed out IPs to any random who asked, and violence of some sort ended up happening, then we would be on the hook if we couldn't show a paper trail of who requested the information. If you are on the up and up and don't plan on doing anything illegal, then there shouldn't be any problems with this. Court orders (which, again, are just a legal request for information) are standard when requesting information from third parties.

Thanks for the response BadBear, would you be able to tell us if the accounts in question have overlapping log ins from the same IP?  That would answer the question without disclosing any information that could cause you legal or ethical problems.  There is a considerable amount of BTC riding on this decision, any help you can render would be greatly appreciated.

R.

Yes they do, though they are shared with many accounts, so it's likely either an unknown proxy/vpn or bought accounts.

This is quite a proof, or do you really think it's coincidence???

Okay, let's say it's coincidence, which is ridiculous, but:
All three accounts (Essex343, ShameOnYou, HarryT1923) posted in threads like What Do Philosophers Do? and Do You smoke? tobacco/weed.

Enough FACTS for you?

Probably not, because you are part of this mess. But for the others.

Click here for a screenshot from one of these threads.

[Bergmannx]

I don't want to forget about something I posted earlier regarding Chris001:

Something regarding Chris001:

I think he's part of the scam.

He is negating all valid arguments here with obscure arguments like Bittrex breaking the law, when they don't hand out the BTC to the scammer.
It's the other way round and why is he so anxious about Bittrex?
He claims to have lost 2 BTC himself so his arguing is not logical.

When you take a look at his history things become clear.

He was active in the Crystalcoin thread and tried to push the IPO:

No Im not with the dev team. I'm a guy that wants to see the project be a success.

I will not buy into a project that, as of this moment, will launch without the game.

Don't you see that the IPO has only brought in a little over 10% so far. You can't start something like this without all the pieces in place.

Read what is in the OP and what that BTC goes for, and you will see, you need it to be successful. If you get 80% or 90% I could see it working out, but not less than 20%!!!

So you make the adjustments needed to protect the plan. The plan is to have a game!! As of now you have no game and that what makes you different than every other shitcoin out there.

This thing FUNDED CORRECTLY could make us all a pretty big chunk of change. You are supporting the chance to make some serious BTC here and be a part of something that really has value. Something pretty rare around here if you haven't noticed. But so many of you just want to follow the same old pattern. What will that get you. This coin was supposed to be different. It still can be but I need some serious PLUS +1 here lol.

OR you will get your launch into what.......going... where...??

This is just one example, there are more, but don't want to spam here.

Someone in the Crystalcoin thread was on the right track already:

ok I'm listening. Does this add up guys. How much do we have now?

Are you sure you are not part of the dev team?

We have to deal with many satellite accounts here, so beware. (ICO Dude belongs to that team, too)
And it's not a single person, the writing style differs.

Chris001 is just a proxy account like Ico Dude. Just check his history at Crystalcoin.

[miningfool]

I only have a small amount still tied up in the ClusterCoin lottery so at this point I could just forget about it.  But after watching the goings-ons from the past few days and thinking about it some more, I gotta say it is really smelling to me like the whole thing was some kind of carefully crafted setup to back Bittrex into a weird corner.  A poison pill or something.  Hopefully they make a choice either way soon so I can just close out my remaining position and move on.

[prospecta]

Crypto Asian ‏@CryptoAsian  15m
$CLSTR update: I have chosen to decline to proceed in the Proof of Developer process with the Clustercoin dev team.  1/2

Crypto Asian ‏@CryptoAsian  15m
I will not be releasing information that has been gathered about the Clustercoin dev team, nor will I do it for any other developers 2/2

[Bergmannx]

I only have a small amount still tied up in the ClusterCoin lottery so at this point I could just forget about it.  But after watching the goings-ons from the past few days and thinking about it some more, I gotta say it is really smelling to me like the whole thing was some kind of carefully crafted setup to back Bittrex into a weird corner.  A poison pill or something.  Hopefully they make a choice either way soon so I can just close out my remaining position and move on.

It was a carefully crafted setup for sure. There are at least five accounts involved and they were able to bribe/fool that crypto asian guy.

I don't think anyone legit smells no scam here.

Bittrex brought itself into this corner by hosting every IPO/ICO shit, without checking any backgrounds. They were even looking for ICOs:

We're looking for IPO coins to partner with.  If you are interested, please let me know.

Bittrex is part of these absurdities. They even asked for them. So they can be blamed for them.

[ocminer]

Thank God my nose was correct AGAIN but this turned out  good

[jdh015232]

Thank God my nose was correct AGAIN but this turned out  good

yup, niceley played man, thank you from tons of investors

[DeCrypterManiac]

Thank you ocminer

[Chris001]

I don't want to forget about something I posted earlier regarding Chris001:

Something regarding Chris001:

I think he's part of the scam.

He is negating all valid arguments here with obscure arguments like Bittrex breaking the law, when they don't hand out the BTC to the scammer.
It's the other way round and why is he so anxious about Bittrex?
He claims to have lost 2 BTC himself so his arguing is not logical.

When you take a look at his history things become clear.

He was active in the Crystalcoin thread and tried to push the IPO:

No Im not with the dev team. I'm a guy that wants to see the project be a success.

I will not buy into a project that, as of this moment, will launch without the game.

Don't you see that the IPO has only brought in a little over 10% so far. You can't start something like this without all the pieces in place.

Read what is in the OP and what that BTC goes for, and you will see, you need it to be successful. If you get 80% or 90% I could see it working out, but not less than 20%!!!

So you make the adjustments needed to protect the plan. The plan is to have a game!! As of now you have no game and that what makes you different than every other shitcoin out there.

This thing FUNDED CORRECTLY could make us all a pretty big chunk of change. You are supporting the chance to make some serious BTC here and be a part of something that really has value. Something pretty rare around here if you haven't noticed. But so many of you just want to follow the same old pattern. What will that get you. This coin was supposed to be different. It still can be but I need some serious PLUS +1 here lol.

OR you will get your launch into what.......going... where...??

This is just one example, there are more, but don't want to spam here.

Someone in the Crystalcoin thread was on the right track already:

ok I'm listening. Does this add up guys. How much do we have now?

Are you sure you are not part of the dev team?

We have to deal with many satellite accounts here, so beware. (ICO Dude belongs to that team, too)
And it's not a single person, the writing style differs.

Chris001 is just a proxy account like Ico Dude. Just check his history at Crystalcoin.

Please just do what this guy said to do and read ALL the posts I made on the crystalcoin thread, I tried to help a coin with some advice when I thought it was a real coin.

I don't think this asshole even read all the posts before he posted this bullshit. Or he just cant read. So please read them all, they don't point to me being a part of this scam team what so ever.

None of those guy have vouches form HERO members on this forum, nor does the fuckface posting this bullshit about me and my account.

So please so as he says, read them, all of them, and see for yourself, and don't take some lowlife fucks word for it.


Thank you everyone.

[ocminer]

...

Dude, no one cares now that CLSTR is over and everyone got refunded...

[Chris001]

...

Dude, no one cares now that CLSTR is over and everyone got refunded...

But I care that this guy is proposing that he is posting proof that I am like the 4th guy or something, ya know?

He posts shit, out of context, and it looks like Im in with these other three scammers. You know what I mean.

I don't know, Ocminer, am I over reacting? If someone posted "proof" that you were a part of the shit, wouldn't you say something?