LTCgear.com, the best scrypt/scrypt n/X11 cloud mining service, Not paying!!!

[verloren]

Please do not be angry. I must be compensate by LTCgear loss.... 

If you are talking about compensation for the LTCGear loss, talk to others. There are others here who probably haven't ROI'd yet on LTCGear purchases.

[sluppy]

Please do not be angry. I must be compensate by LTCgear loss.... 

If you are talking about compensation for the LTCGear loss, talk to others. There are others here who probably haven't ROI'd yet on LTCGear purchases.

he said hes spreading that spam / scam so HE can recover the money he lost on ltcgear , but like the other guy said , he spammed that in 50 different threads as well.

Hope the mods Ban him for that kind of spam.

[Danz0r77]

Balances are there, apparently behind the scenes. Whether that was true or a lie we'll probably find out pretty soon.

Dream on!  

We'll find out eventually, there is -currently- no proof for either of the two scenario's

This is what frustrates me.

You are right that there is no "proof" of either scenario. But if you're waiting for proof that it is a scam then you will most likely be waiting forever. Unless Chris comes out and says "I confirm it's a scam" you will probably never know for certain. So many people seem to be waiting for this "proof" to come before they take any further action, but in all likelihood it will never come.

[Flep182]

Balances are there, apparently behind the scenes. Whether that was true or a lie we'll probably find out pretty soon.

Dream on!  

We'll find out eventually, there is -currently- no proof for either of the two scenario's

This is what frustrates me.

You are right that there is no "proof" of either scenario. But if you're waiting for proof that it is a scam then you will most likely be waiting forever. Unless Chris comes out and says "I confirm it's a scam" you will probably never know for certain. So many people seem to be waiting for this "proof" to come before they take any further action, but in all likelihood it will never come.

Taking action is something you'll do once reasonable options have run out. My knowledge is of civil law in a few European countries, one of them specifically, and a judge in jurisdictions where I'm active as a legal professional will not even look at a case like this since there is no definitive proof that he stopped paying. He's working on restoring from what is claimed to be a hack and therefrom resulting loss of "coins". Although he's missed a set of deadlines, he isn't MIA so to say, he keeps updating the customers and up until now there has been regular progress. Not as much as we'd like but foul play isn't a certainty. I won't say I'm the least bit happy with how things are progressing, I'd rather have the payment yesterday than tomorrow, but at this point, he seems to be making some sort of progress. So unless there is proof he's moving all of the mining results through a mixer for example (which would lead to a possible conclusion he might be hiding the benefits from mining) or he shut down a known location he's residing (office/home) he has to be considered working on a solution from a legal point of view.

Then again, I'm still skeptical, but haven't ruled out the option we'll be seeing a payout somewhere this month. What I don't like is responses that claim it -IS- a ponzi and that everyone who hasn't lost hope is a nitwit or moron. Since that's an unjustified judgment on the person instead of on the patience someone is willing to have in a situation. Chances are slim that a scammer comes out and confirms it's a scam, on the other hand, as long as he's seemingly actively working on the website and there is progress within a reasonable timeframe I won't leave the point of view that we might be getting good news soon.
To make a comparison, I'm still getting a payout from PBMining every Sunday. Why on earth would they payout 2.4 BTC weekly (https://blockchain.info/tx-index/99501f9f9adbde1532314511ee9acd23df77477a8129bd9bb2321e068478a19e) if they could just as easily stop with that! I haven't looked into detail into everything that happened since they "lowered" payouts but I am having a hard time calling that a fullblown scam

[Warbigold]

Why are people saying "Two days left"? Did i miss something ?

[Danz0r77]

Balances are there, apparently behind the scenes. Whether that was true or a lie we'll probably find out pretty soon.

Dream on!  

We'll find out eventually, there is -currently- no proof for either of the two scenario's

This is what frustrates me.

You are right that there is no "proof" of either scenario. But if you're waiting for proof that it is a scam then you will most likely be waiting forever. Unless Chris comes out and says "I confirm it's a scam" you will probably never know for certain. So many people seem to be waiting for this "proof" to come before they take any further action, but in all likelihood it will never come.

Taking action is something you'll do once reasonable options have run out. My knowledge is of civil law in a few European countries, one of them specifically, and a judge in jurisdictions where I'm active as a legal professional will not even look at a case like this since there is no definitive proof that he stopped paying. He's working on restoring from what is claimed to be a hack and therefrom resulting loss of "coins". Although he's missed a set of deadlines, he isn't MIA so to say, he keeps updating the customers and up until now there has been regular progress. Not as much as we'd like but foul play isn't a certainty. I won't say I'm the least bit happy with how things are progressing, I'd rather have the payment yesterday than tomorrow, but at this point, he seems to be making some sort of progress. So unless there is proof he's moving all of the mining results through a mixer for example (which would lead to a possible conclusion he might be hiding the benefits from mining) or he shut down a known location he's residing (office/home) he has to be considered working on a solution from a legal point of view.

Then again, I'm still skeptical, but haven't ruled out the option we'll be seeing a payout somewhere this month. What I don't like is responses that claim it -IS- a ponzi and that everyone who hasn't lost hope is a nitwit or moron. Since that's an unjustified judgment on the person instead of on the patience someone is willing to have in a situation. Chances are slim that a scammer comes out and confirms it's a scam, on the other hand, as long as he's seemingly actively working on the website and there is progress within a reasonable timeframe I won't leave the point of view that we might be getting good news soon.
To make a comparison, I'm still getting a payout from PBMining every Sunday. Why on earth would they payout 2.4 BTC weekly (https://blockchain.info/tx-index/99501f9f9adbde1532314511ee9acd23df77477a8129bd9bb2321e068478a19e) if they could just as easily stop with that! I haven't looked into detail into everything that happened since they "lowered" payouts but I am having a hard time calling that a fullblown scam

I agree that we don't know for certain it is a ponzi. But that's what I'm saying - we never will. Everyone sees things differently I guess. While you think he is making progress, I only see lies and repeated claims of progress, without actually seeing any progress. In fact, I haven't seen any actual progress for the last 6 weeks. He's posted a couple of updates to say he's still working, but there have been zero visible changes on the website.

There have been several reports that people have visited both his known home and office addresses and both look like they're abandoned. You won't see any proof to do with his mining because we have no knowledge of it. We don't even know he is mining.

I also get payouts from PBMining - but how you can't say that is a scam is beyond me. We are receiving 1% (if that) of the amount we should be receiving, based on the hashrate purchased. The owner has ceased all contact with the public and it seems pretty clear it was a ponzi. I think the only reason we're getting the tiny payouts we're getting is because it's a legal loophole, and he knows he has to pay something. I think the same thing will happen with LTCGear as well but only after a good number of people threaten some kind of action.

[Flep182]

I also get payouts from PBMining - but how you can't say that is a scam is beyond me. We are receiving 1% (if that) of the amount we should be receiving, based on the hashrate purchased. The owner has ceased all contact with the public and it seems pretty clear it was a ponzi. I think the only reason we're getting the tiny payouts we're getting is because it's a legal loophole, and he knows he has to pay something. I think the same thing will happen with LTCGear as well but only after a good number of people threaten some kind of action.

I only knew about the "problem" and the lower payouts, not about stopping all communication. That gives a slightly different view
Then again, 2,4 BTC every week, that's a lot of money for "staying out of trouble".

[david123]

Then again, 2,4 BTC every week, that's a lot of money for "staying out of trouble".

Not if you estimate how much BTC he robbed from us
I find it also disturbing that you still have/had doubts about his
illegitimacy. What he is paying out now is literally dust. Dollars
to doughnuts he is a first class scammer and a ponzi-operator

[Aristo]

Balances are there, apparently behind the scenes. Whether that was true or a lie we'll probably find out pretty soon.

Dream on!  

We'll find out eventually, there is -currently- no proof for either of the two scenario's

This is what frustrates me.

You are right that there is no "proof" of either scenario. But if you're waiting for proof that it is a scam then you will most likely be waiting forever. Unless Chris comes out and says "I confirm it's a scam" you will probably never know for certain. So many people seem to be waiting for this "proof" to come before they take any further action, but in all likelihood it will never come.

Taking action is something you'll do once reasonable options have run out. My knowledge is of civil law in a few European countries, one of them specifically, and a judge in jurisdictions where I'm active as a legal professional will not even look at a case like this since there is no definitive proof that he stopped paying. He's working on restoring from what is claimed to be a hack and therefrom resulting loss of "coins". Although he's missed a set of deadlines, he isn't MIA so to say, he keeps updating the customers and up until now there has been regular progress. Not as much as we'd like but foul play isn't a certainty. I won't say I'm the least bit happy with how things are progressing, I'd rather have the payment yesterday than tomorrow, but at this point, he seems to be making some sort of progress. So unless there is proof he's moving all of the mining results through a mixer for example (which would lead to a possible conclusion he might be hiding the benefits from mining) or he shut down a known location he's residing (office/home) he has to be considered working on a solution from a legal point of view.

Then again, I'm still skeptical, but haven't ruled out the option we'll be seeing a payout somewhere this month. What I don't like is responses that claim it -IS- a ponzi and that everyone who hasn't lost hope is a nitwit or moron. Since that's an unjustified judgment on the person instead of on the patience someone is willing to have in a situation. Chances are slim that a scammer comes out and confirms it's a scam, on the other hand, as long as he's seemingly actively working on the website and there is progress within a reasonable timeframe I won't leave the point of view that we might be getting good news soon.
To make a comparison, I'm still getting a payout from PBMining every Sunday. Why on earth would they payout 2.4 BTC weekly (https://blockchain.info/tx-index/99501f9f9adbde1532314511ee9acd23df77477a8129bd9bb2321e068478a19e) if they could just as easily stop with that! I haven't looked into detail into everything that happened since they "lowered" payouts but I am having a hard time calling that a fullblown scam

Thank you so much for educating Chris on the nuances of the law.  We will now get regular progress updates.  FOR-EV-ER.

[Flep182]

Thank you so much for educating Chris on the nuances of the law.  We will now get regular progress updates.  FOR-EV-ER.

You're calling a basic knowledge of law, that probably every single law student in their first year gets, educating?

Updating forever has again it's limits, legally spoken. One can't keep a stance that, let's say, four months with unnoticable progress would still be reasonable. But that's what one has to argue, why the case with it's specifics is or is not reasonable. Being slow with getting a problem fixed is in itself not something that's always going to be "fraud" or whatever article of law you want to move it towards.

[alienesb]

Thank you so much for educating Chris on the nuances of the law.  We will now get regular progress updates.  FOR-EV-ER.

You're calling a basic knowledge of law, that probably every single law student in their first year gets, educating?

Updating forever has again it's limits, legally spoken. One can't keep a stance that, let's say, four months with unnoticable progress would still be reasonable. But that's what one has to argue, why the case with it's specifics is or is not reasonable. Being slow with getting a problem fixed is in itself not something that's always going to be "fraud" or whatever article of law you want to move it towards.

It's ok, it's just a new sock puppet account.

[Flep182]

Then again, 2,4 BTC every week, that's a lot of money for "staying out of trouble".

Not if you estimate how much BTC he robbed from us
I find it also disturbing that you still have/had doubts about his
illegitimacy. What he is paying out now is literally dust. Dollars
to doughnuts he is a first class scammer and a ponzi-operator

Yeah, knowing this I'm with you on the "not so nice type of businessmen stance"

Haven't looked into the whole thing since I had 12 hour days of work and had just ROI'ed a week before with both accounts. So had no incentive to go through thousands of pages of (mostly) ranting.

[Aristo]

Thank you so much for educating Chris on the nuances of the law.  We will now get regular progress updates.  FOR-EV-ER.

You're calling a basic knowledge of law, that probably every single law student in their first year gets, educating?

I'm sure you're familiar with the concept: In the Land of the Blind, the One-Eyed Man is King.  LoL
I meant no offense with my post and you bring up good points.  In the end, it's either a scam or it's not.  Time will tell.   

[verloren]

Please do not be angry. I must be compensate by LTCgear loss.... 

If you are talking about compensation for the LTCGear loss, talk to others. There are others here who probably haven't ROI'd yet on LTCGear purchases.

he said hes spreading that spam / scam so HE can recover the money he lost on ltcgear , but like the other guy said , he spammed that in 50 different threads as well.

Hope the mods Ban him for that kind of spam.

Then he's an idiot for posting that here. Going into an untamed lion's den holding raw pieces of meat doesn't lead to a good outcome.

Why are people saying "Two days left"? Did i miss something ?

Chris's Q&A last week said that some users would see their available balance on the website within a week.

[sluppy]

Please do not be angry. I must be compensate by LTCgear loss.... 

If you are talking about compensation for the LTCGear loss, talk to others. There are others here who probably haven't ROI'd yet on LTCGear purchases.

he said hes spreading that spam / scam so HE can recover the money he lost on ltcgear , but like the other guy said , he spammed that in 50 different threads as well.

Hope the mods Ban him for that kind of spam.

Then he's an idiot for posting that here. Going into an untamed lion's den holding raw pieces of meat doesn't lead to a good outcome.

Why are people saying "Two days left"? Did i miss something ?

Chris's Q&A last week said that some users would see their available balance on the website within a week.

yes But did he actually say we would be able to WITHDRAW any of those balances ..(maybe i missed that part)
We allready have balances we just cant see them right now .. erm ok .. that sounds like the invisible Dog i have.

 

[jackbox]

yes But did he actually say we would be able to WITHDRAW any of those balances ..(maybe i missed that part)
We allready have balances we just cant see them right now .. erm ok .. that sounds like the invisible Dog i have.

Where can I get an invisible dog? I want one. 

[sluppy]

yes But did he actually say we would be able to WITHDRAW any of those balances ..(maybe i missed that part)
We allready have balances we just cant see them right now .. erm ok .. that sounds like the invisible Dog i have.

Where can I get an invisible dog? I want one. 

I would sell it u if i could  but i can never find it 

[verloren]

Please do not be angry. I must be compensate by LTCgear loss.... 

If you are talking about compensation for the LTCGear loss, talk to others. There are others here who probably haven't ROI'd yet on LTCGear purchases.

he said hes spreading that spam / scam so HE can recover the money he lost on ltcgear , but like the other guy said , he spammed that in 50 different threads as well.

Hope the mods Ban him for that kind of spam.

Then he's an idiot for posting that here. Going into an untamed lion's den holding raw pieces of meat doesn't lead to a good outcome.

Why are people saying "Two days left"? Did i miss something ?

Chris's Q&A last week said that some users would see their available balance on the website within a week.

yes But did he actually say we would be able to WITHDRAW any of those balances ..(maybe i missed that part)
We allready have balances we just cant see them right now .. erm ok .. that sounds like the invisible Dog i have.

Just that it's going to be displayed. Nothing concrete on the ability to withdraw BTC/LTC.

[arallmuus]

Please do not be angry. I must be compensate by LTCgear loss.... 

If you are talking about compensation for the LTCGear loss, talk to others. There are others here who probably haven't ROI'd yet on LTCGear purchases.

he said hes spreading that spam / scam so HE can recover the money he lost on ltcgear , but like the other guy said , he spammed that in 50 different threads as well.

Hope the mods Ban him for that kind of spam.

Then he's an idiot for posting that here. Going into an untamed lion's den holding raw pieces of meat doesn't lead to a good outcome.

Why are people saying "Two days left"? Did i miss something ?

Chris's Q&A last week said that some users would see their available balance on the website within a week.

yes But did he actually say we would be able to WITHDRAW any of those balances ..(maybe i missed that part)
We allready have balances we just cant see them right now .. erm ok .. that sounds like the invisible Dog i have.

Just that it's going to be displayed. Nothing concrete on the ability to withdraw BTC/LTC.

good to see a lot more people finally realize this crazy christian manipulation, and wake up from this so called sweet dream, good thing is i sold all my shares, well im happy to get out of it but still id like to see if the so called payout will happen this week

[crowetic]

Please do not be angry. I must be compensate by LTCgear loss.... 

If you are talking about compensation for the LTCGear loss, talk to others. There are others here who probably haven't ROI'd yet on LTCGear purchases.

he said hes spreading that spam / scam so HE can recover the money he lost on ltcgear , but like the other guy said , he spammed that in 50 different threads as well.

Hope the mods Ban him for that kind of spam.

Then he's an idiot for posting that here. Going into an untamed lion's den holding raw pieces of meat doesn't lead to a good outcome.

Why are people saying "Two days left"? Did i miss something ?

Chris's Q&A last week said that some users would see their available balance on the website within a week.

yes But did he actually say we would be able to WITHDRAW any of those balances ..(maybe i missed that part)
We allready have balances we just cant see them right now .. erm ok .. that sounds like the invisible Dog i have.

Just that it's going to be displayed. Nothing concrete on the ability to withdraw BTC/LTC.

good to see a lot more people finally realize this crazy christian manipulation, and wake up from this so called sweet dream, good thing is i sold all my shares, well im happy to get out of it but still id like to see if the so called payout will happen this week

I'm pretty sure no payouts are ever coming.