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It just occurred to me what the answer is. People hate Islam because animals don't know how to hate. Sure, animals may imitate, and sometimes even emulate, people. But they don't really know how to hate. I'd agree if we weren't animals. Perhaps that's something that sets us apart from other animals, though I've seen behaviour in dogs and cats that would suggest otherwise. Generally speaking animals do not attack other animals of the same species. They do by instinct attempt to kill/attack animals of different species. The only real exception to this rule is when two animals are competing for the same mate. For the OP, I would say that people tend to hate Islam because Islam tends to hate other religions to the extent that they try to kill them off I would say that people hate Islam because of the wide variety of terrorist actions by self-avowed Muslims over several decades. Countless airline hijackings by Muslims have changed the very nature of air travel - from something that used to be fun, to something that's really no fun anymore. Then you've got countless bombings. Guys going on a rampage shooting people shouting "Alla Akbar." The odd sport of removing heads from people. I could go on, but it's almost "Stupid" to ask the question "Why do people hate Islam." If Islam is a religion of peace, the mullahs sure don't do a very good job of teaching peaceful behavior. I conclude, then, that a fraction of them are doing something quite different. In such a case, it really doesn't matter if most of the people are peaceful. In a war, only 10% of the soldiers are on the front lines, and if 10% of a country's population is soldiers then only 1% of their population is actually fighting. The rest can babble all they want about how peaceful they are, I am not going to fall for it. Would such logic apply to a religion as well as a nation?
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You need a really good teacher, because the Koran suggests the use of all kinds of underhanded and direct violence against those who are not Muslim. And this isn't something that was done in the past, only. It is orders and directions for live Muslims everywhere. It's just that most Muslims have natural love in their hearts for all people, and that's why they don't follow the directives, literally, like they are ordered to. Sure, Islam is good. It is good for this life and for Muslims, but not for anybody else. It doesn't get EVEN ONE OF ITS BELIEVERS into Heaven. It is a lie in that regard.
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You need a really good teacher, because the Koran suggests the use of all kinds of underhanded and direct violence against those who are not Muslim. And this isn't something that was done in the past, only. It is orders and directions for live Muslims everywhere. It's just that most Muslims have natural love in their hearts for all people, and that's why they don't follow the directives, literally, like they are ordered to. Sure, Islam is good. It is good for this life and for Muslims, but not for anybody else. It doesn't get EVEN ONE OF ITS BELIEVERS into Heaven. It is a lie in that regard.What you have said is not inconsistent with Samaricanin. It would take "A really good teacher" to evoke the good aspects of people, rather than dogmatically follow some scribbled writing from long ago. I believe there are many such teachers, likely in every religion, and many such good people. This does not address the issue of bad teachers and bad people, of course. (Part I have crossed out is part I personally cannot agree with. Although I am an athiest, if this belief is wrong I would hope to be judged by my deeds, not by adherence to one or another old book. I would hope the same for those who for cultural, family or any other reason follow one of the many religions.)
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You need a really good teacher, because the Koran suggests the use of all kinds of underhanded and direct violence against those who are not Muslim. And this isn't something that was done in the past, only. It is orders and directions for live Muslims everywhere. It's just that most Muslims have natural love in their hearts for all people, and that's why they don't follow the directives, literally, like they are ordered to. Sure, Islam is good. It is good for this life and for Muslims, but not for anybody else. It doesn't get EVEN ONE OF ITS BELIEVERS into Heaven. It is a lie in that regard.What you have said is not inconsistent with Samaricanin. It would take "A really good teacher" to evoke the good aspects of people, rather than dogmatically follow some scribbled writing from long ago. I believe there are many such teachers, likely in every religion, and many such good people. This does not address the issue of bad teachers and bad people, of course. (Part I have crossed out is part I personally cannot agree with. Although I am an athiest, if this belief is wrong I would hope to be judged by my deeds, not by adherence to one or another old book. I would hope the same for those who for cultural, family or any other reason follow one of the many religions.) Judgment by deeds is the reason why people are lost. NOBODY can be good enough to be saved. Judgment by deeds is only there to determine the quantity and quality of destruction in the afterlife. We all need to find a reason or way to get God to GIVE us salvation, other than because we deserve it. Why? We aren't good enough to deserve it at all.
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You need a really good teacher, because the Koran suggests the use of all kinds of underhanded and direct violence against those who are not Muslim. And this isn't something that was done in the past, only. It is orders and directions for live Muslims everywhere. It's just that most Muslims have natural love in their hearts for all people, and that's why they don't follow the directives, literally, like they are ordered to. Sure, Islam is good. It is good for this life and for Muslims, but not for anybody else. It doesn't get EVEN ONE OF ITS BELIEVERS into Heaven. It is a lie in that regard.What you have said is not inconsistent with Samaricanin. It would take "A really good teacher" to evoke the good aspects of people, rather than dogmatically follow some scribbled writing from long ago. I believe there are many such teachers, likely in every religion, and many such good people. This does not address the issue of bad teachers and bad people, of course. (Part I have crossed out is part I personally cannot agree with. Although I am an athiest, if this belief is wrong I would hope to be judged by my deeds, not by adherence to one or another old book. I would hope the same for those who for cultural, family or any other reason follow one of the many religions.) Judgment by deeds is the reason why people are lost. NOBODY can be good enough to be saved. Judgment by deeds is only there to determine the quantity and quality of destruction in the afterlife. We all need to find a reason or way to get God to GIVE us salvation, other than because we deserve it. Why? We aren't good enough to deserve it at all. I'm an atheist, but whatever. Even were I not, I would severely disagree with this. The whole "original sin" argument has never made any sort of rational sense. We are what we are, and only by deeds can we devolve or evolve into something lesser or greater. What you think has no morality, it's what you DO.
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I'm an atheist, but whatever. Even were I not, I would severely disagree with this. The whole "original sin" argument has never made any sort of rational sense. We are what we are, and only by deeds can we devolve or evolve into something lesser or greater. What you think has no morality, it's what you DO.
Given that the OP is "Why do people hate Islam" I don't think it should degenerate into "Why Jesus is the Savior", unless, of course, that is somehow related to the OP. I really don't care to get dragged into religion discussion. We're on the subject of hate.
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You need a really good teacher, because the Koran suggests the use of all kinds of underhanded and direct violence against those who are not Muslim. And this isn't something that was done in the past, only. It is orders and directions for live Muslims everywhere. It's just that most Muslims have natural love in their hearts for all people, and that's why they don't follow the directives, literally, like they are ordered to. Sure, Islam is good. It is good for this life and for Muslims, but not for anybody else. It doesn't get EVEN ONE OF ITS BELIEVERS into Heaven. It is a lie in that regard.What you have said is not inconsistent with Samaricanin. It would take "A really good teacher" to evoke the good aspects of people, rather than dogmatically follow some scribbled writing from long ago. I believe there are many such teachers, likely in every religion, and many such good people. This does not address the issue of bad teachers and bad people, of course. (Part I have crossed out is part I personally cannot agree with. Although I am an athiest, if this belief is wrong I would hope to be judged by my deeds, not by adherence to one or another old book. I would hope the same for those who for cultural, family or any other reason follow one of the many religions.) Judgment by deeds is the reason why people are lost. NOBODY can be good enough to be saved. Judgment by deeds is only there to determine the quantity and quality of destruction in the afterlife. We all need to find a reason or way to get God to GIVE us salvation, other than because we deserve it. Why? We aren't good enough to deserve it at all. I'm an atheist, but whatever. Even were I not, I would severely disagree with this. The whole "original sin" argument has never made any sort of rational sense. We are what we are, and only by deeds can we devolve or evolve into something lesser or greater. What you think has no morality, it's what you DO. The whole original sin argument IS the ONLY thing that makes sense. After all, you only get what was handed down to you from the DNA of your parents. They got it from theirs. And they from theirs, all the way back to the beginning. If it is mistakes in the DNA, then it is ORIGINAL MISTAKES (mistakes = sins). We are coming upon an age that is able to change DNA. We are even able to change the DNA throughout an adult person's whole body right now. It is a bit dangerous to do. And it needs a lot more study. But it has been done to correct problems in the makeup of certain individuals. One woman had her glaucoma (or similar genetic disease) fixed this way. I haven't followed it enough to see if there are any side effects or not. But it seems to be that we might be able to correct original sin sometime.
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Saying people hate Islam is a generalization. Not everyone hates Islam. Radical Islam.... That's what people hate. Things like this are unacceptable: Quran: Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) 2:191-2 Plenty more: http://dttj.blogspot.com/2010/08/intolerance-toward-non-muslims-in-quran.html
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Saying people hate Islam is a generalization. Not everyone hates Islam. Radical Islam.... That's what people hate. Things like this are unacceptable: Quran: Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) 2:191-2 Plenty more: http://dttj.blogspot.com/2010/08/intolerance-toward-non-muslims-in-quran.htmlInteresting thing I found just googling "why hate Islam"... this list.... Don't take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, Allah will consider you to be one of them. 5:51 The curse of Allah is on disbelievers. 2:89 Allah is an enemy to the disbelievers. 2:98 For disbelievers is a painful doom." 2:104 Allah will make disbelievers' miserable in this world and torture them forever after they die. 2:114 Disbelievers are losers. 2:121 The doom of the disbelievers will not be lightened. 2:162 Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kil them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) 2:191-2 Allah says that you must keep fighting until there is no more persecution and everyone on earth is a Muslim. Then you can stop killing people. 2:193a Intermarriage is forbidden. 2:221 Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers. 3:28 Don't believe anyone who is not a Muslim. 3:73 Don't be friends with non-Muslims. They all hate you and want to ruin you. 3:118 Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 4:89 The disbelievers are an open enemy to you. 4:101 Do not choose disbelievers as friends. 4:144 Never help disbelievers. 28:86 The disbelievers, they are the wrong-doers." 2:254 Non-muslims will be punished by Allah for their nonbelief. 3:19 We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Their habitation is the Fire 3:151 Christians and Jews must believe what Allah has revealed to Muhammad or Allah will disfigure their faces or turn them into apes, as he did the Sabbath-breakers. (See 2:65-66) 4:47 If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you find them. Against such you are given clear warrant. 4:91 Non-muslims are wrong doers. 5:45 Jews and Christians are evil-livers. 5:59 Those who deny Muhammad's revelations are like dogs. 7:176 Fight disbelievers who are near you, and let them see the harshness in you. 9:123 Allah hates disbelievers. 35:26 And then a comment... https://malaysia.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130429050316AAq2MOs Islam has to eradicate from its codex all notions of killing as a justified means to an end. So long as this sort of 'code' exists the programming is allowed to be carried out by the mules. Then there are the cultural overtones that exacerbate the ability for rational people to accept 'Muslims' since so many practice in country's where people are treated like dirt, especially women. Finally, all religons have a egoist based condition that is problamatic. No prophet would espouse death and destruction much less treating people like dirt. It is the egoists who create these conditions and then hide their despicable behavior behind the cloak of 'religion' or religiosity to justify their actions.
I lean toward agreeing with the above part "eradicate from its codex all notions of killing as a justified means to an end". If you gave people a "holy book" with this stuff, then some percentage of wackos are simply going to act on it and feel they are justified. Like they are and have been doing.
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September 30, 2014, 02:44:57 AM |
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Islam hates everyone who is not Islamic. They even hate each other. Shiite vs. Sunni. Just ask the people they've beheaded recently.
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September 30, 2014, 09:40:36 AM |
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Just ask the people they've beheaded recently.
Hard to ask headless people anything, unless you're interviewing a Fox host
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Islam fight with everyone
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October 02, 2014, 02:14:45 AM |
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Just ask the people they've beheaded recently.
Hard to ask headless people anything, unless you're interviewing a Fox host If you can find these headless people, I don't see what would be so hard about asking them anything. I wouldn't expect much of an answer, though.
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Why people hate it ? Because this fact...
Terorism....
From any religion that i known, this is the worst.
No offence but this is the truth.
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October 04, 2014, 07:32:54 AM |
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Not all Muslims are like you think they are from what you see on TV.
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Not all Muslims are like you think they are from what you see on TV.
So what? The topic is about Islam, not Muslims.
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I was just googling for islamic rulings on bitcoin and stumbled upon this thread. As a Muslim I feel the need to be involved in this conversation. Although my knowledge about my own religion is really limited, I hope I can clarify some of the negative perspectives about Islam that I am seeing here. One that really caught my attention is this post. The book, Quran which I use for guidance in my life is also used by some to slander Islam hurts me. Saying people hate Islam is a generalization. Not everyone hates Islam. Radical Islam.... That's what people hate. Things like this are unacceptable: Quran: Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) 2:191-2 Plenty more: http://dttj.blogspot.com/2010/08/intolerance-toward-non-muslims-in-quran.htmlInteresting thing I found just googling "why hate Islam"... this list.... Don't take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, Allah will consider you to be one of them. 5:51 The curse of Allah is on disbelievers. 2:89 Allah is an enemy to the disbelievers. 2:98 For disbelievers is a painful doom." 2:104 Allah will make disbelievers' miserable in this world and torture them forever after they die. 2:114 Disbelievers are losers. 2:121 The doom of the disbelievers will not be lightened. 2:162 Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kil them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) 2:191-2 Allah says that you must keep fighting until there is no more persecution and everyone on earth is a Muslim. Then you can stop killing people. 2:193a Intermarriage is forbidden. 2:221 Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers. 3:28 Don't believe anyone who is not a Muslim. 3:73 Don't be friends with non-Muslims. They all hate you and want to ruin you. 3:118 Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 4:89 The disbelievers are an open enemy to you. 4:101 Do not choose disbelievers as friends. 4:144 Never help disbelievers. 28:86 The disbelievers, they are the wrong-doers." 2:254 Non-muslims will be punished by Allah for their nonbelief. 3:19 We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Their habitation is the Fire 3:151 Christians and Jews must believe what Allah has revealed to Muhammad or Allah will disfigure their faces or turn them into apes, as he did the Sabbath-breakers. (See 2:65-66) 4:47 If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you find them. Against such you are given clear warrant. 4:91 Non-muslims are wrong doers. 5:45 Jews and Christians are evil-livers. 5:59 Those who deny Muhammad's revelations are like dogs. 7:176 Fight disbelievers who are near you, and let them see the harshness in you. 9:123 Allah hates disbelievers. 35:26 And then a comment... https://malaysia.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130429050316AAq2MOs Islam has to eradicate from its codex all notions of killing as a justified means to an end. So long as this sort of 'code' exists the programming is allowed to be carried out by the mules. Then there are the cultural overtones that exacerbate the ability for rational people to accept 'Muslims' since so many practice in country's where people are treated like dirt, especially women. Finally, all religons have a egoist based condition that is problamatic. No prophet would espouse death and destruction much less treating people like dirt. It is the egoists who create these conditions and then hide their despicable behavior behind the cloak of 'religion' or religiosity to justify their actions.
I lean toward agreeing with the above part "eradicate from its codex all notions of killing as a justified means to an end". If you gave people a "holy book" with this stuff, then some percentage of wackos are simply going to act on it and feel they are justified. Like they are and have been doing. There are 6,236 verses from the Quran and some people just pick and choose some sentences in the Quran that agree with their preconception without considering what other contents in the Quran are all about. Verses that are quoted above are not even properly translated, which is a disservice to the Quran or any other book for that matter, you can find proper Quran translation in book stores and there are even free apps for android and ios. Moreover, when you are quoting verse from the Quran many things you have to consider to fully understand them such as the historical contexts, the verses before and after, meaning of the verse or more information about it may also be available in another verses in the quran or in the prophetic traditions, target audiences during the revelation and so on. The Quran was sent down to the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) verse by verse in duration of 23 years. In this 23 years many things happen, I wont go into the history but just want to say that that the prophet and his followers went through many hardships and sufferings to tell people about the revelation that was sent to the prophet by god. I really hope more people can give more respect to the Quran and prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) which are the guidance and example for 2 billions Muslims worldwide. When people slander the Quran or the prophet, it really hurt us Muslims to see the book and the person which we respect the most being degraded. I dont know where you guys get your information about Islam but I would assume some get from media that only potrays muslims as "freedom hating jihadists" whatever that means. There are crazy people among the Muslims, Christians, Jews, Atheists etc., but it is unfair to paint one group or its system of belief with the same brush because of the actions of some people in that group. I would encourage anybody that sees only negative in Islam to consider looking the other side of the coin. Lets resolve any misunderstanding and focus our effort in fighting against the system that has opressed people into spiral of debt, that is why we have Bitcoin eh? If anybody has questions about Islam I would love to provide with information that I could find.
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That's the problem:
You DON'T know the History and defend Mo just because you were told to. It was a harsh time? Yes but not only to Muslims, to all Middle East and Persia. It was Justinian plague time, there were not only Muhammad but a lot of equally violent "prophets", war everywhere... But Mo wasn't anything near a good person.
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I was just googling for islamic rulings on bitcoin and stumbled upon this thread. As a Muslim I feel the need to be involved in this conversation. Although my knowledge about my own religion is really limited, I hope I can clarify some of the negative perspectives about Islam that I am seeing here. One that really caught my attention is this post. The book, Quran which I use for guidance in my life is also used by some to slander Islam hurts me. Saying people hate Islam is a generalization. Not everyone hates Islam. Radical Islam.... That's what people hate. Things like this are unacceptable: Quran: Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) 2:191-2 Plenty more: http://dttj.blogspot.com/2010/08/intolerance-toward-non-muslims-in-quran.htmlInteresting thing I found just googling "why hate Islam"... this list.... Don't take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, Allah will consider you to be one of them. 5:51 The curse of Allah is on disbelievers. 2:89 Allah is an enemy to the disbelievers. 2:98 For disbelievers is a painful doom." 2:104 Allah will make disbelievers' miserable in this world and torture them forever after they die. 2:114 Disbelievers are losers. 2:121 The doom of the disbelievers will not be lightened. 2:162 Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kil them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) 2:191-2 Allah says that you must keep fighting until there is no more persecution and everyone on earth is a Muslim. Then you can stop killing people. 2:193a Intermarriage is forbidden. 2:221 Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers. 3:28 Don't believe anyone who is not a Muslim. 3:73 Don't be friends with non-Muslims. They all hate you and want to ruin you. 3:118 Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 4:89 The disbelievers are an open enemy to you. 4:101 Do not choose disbelievers as friends. 4:144 Never help disbelievers. 28:86 The disbelievers, they are the wrong-doers." 2:254 Non-muslims will be punished by Allah for their nonbelief. 3:19 We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Their habitation is the Fire 3:151 Christians and Jews must believe what Allah has revealed to Muhammad or Allah will disfigure their faces or turn them into apes, as he did the Sabbath-breakers. (See 2:65-66) 4:47 If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you find them. Against such you are given clear warrant. 4:91 Non-muslims are wrong doers. 5:45 Jews and Christians are evil-livers. 5:59 Those who deny Muhammad's revelations are like dogs. 7:176 Fight disbelievers who are near you, and let them see the harshness in you. 9:123 Allah hates disbelievers. 35:26 And then a comment... https://malaysia.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130429050316AAq2MOs Islam has to eradicate from its codex all notions of killing as a justified means to an end. So long as this sort of 'code' exists the programming is allowed to be carried out by the mules. Then there are the cultural overtones that exacerbate the ability for rational people to accept 'Muslims' since so many practice in country's where people are treated like dirt, especially women. Finally, all religons have a egoist based condition that is problamatic. No prophet would espouse death and destruction much less treating people like dirt. It is the egoists who create these conditions and then hide their despicable behavior behind the cloak of 'religion' or religiosity to justify their actions.
I lean toward agreeing with the above part "eradicate from its codex all notions of killing as a justified means to an end". If you gave people a "holy book" with this stuff, then some percentage of wackos are simply going to act on it and feel they are justified. Like they are and have been doing. There are 6,236 verses from the Quran and some people just pick and choose some sentences in the Quran that agree with their preconception without considering what other contents in the Quran are all about. Verses that are quoted above are not even properly translated, which is a disservice to the Quran or any other book for that matter, you can find proper Quran translation in book stores and there are even free apps for android and ios. Moreover, when you ahttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=34.0re quoting verse from the Quran many things you have to consider to fully understand them such as the historical contexts, the verses before and after, meaning of the verse or more information about it may also be available in another verses in the quran or in the prophetic traditions, target audiences during the revelation and so on. The Quran was sent down to the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) verse by verse in duration of 23 years. In this 23 years many things happen, I wont go into the history but just want to say that that the prophet and his followers went through many hardships and sufferings to tell people about the revelation that was sent to the prophet by god. I really hope more people can give more respect to the Quran and prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) which are the guidance and example for 2 billions Muslims worldwide. When people slander the Quran or the prophet, it really hurt us Muslims to see the book and the person which we respect the most being degraded. I dont know where you guys get your information about Islam but I would assume some get from media that only potrays muslims as "freedom hating jihadists" whatever that means. There are crazy people among the Muslims, Christians, Jews, Atheists etc., but it is unfair to paint one group or its system of belief with the same brush because of the actions of some people in that group. I would encourage anybody that sees only negative in Islam to consider looking the other side of the coin. Lets resolve any misunderstanding and focus our effort in fighting against the system that has opressed people into spiral of debt, that is why we have Bitcoin eh? If anybody has questions about Islam I would love to provide with information that I could find. What is your outlook or view on Israel?
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