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October 14, 2014, 12:35:34 AM
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This looks really juicy Smiley Keeping an eye Wink

Thanks BRO!  Wink

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October 14, 2014, 12:59:39 AM
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Why wont u use BTC (and DOGE/BC/LTC / other fast/strong coins ) ?

It looks like you will have huge premine and risk nothing
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October 14, 2014, 01:04:41 AM
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Why wont u use BTC (and DOGE/BC/LTC / other fast/strong coins ) ?

It looks like you will have huge premine and risk nothing

Perhaps you should read one of my previous posts... Breakout Gaming will have controlled 67% of the coins. They will be able to manipulate the price to buy very low. They couldn't do that with the same level of control with other coins.
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October 14, 2014, 02:39:24 AM
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Why wont u use BTC (and DOGE/BC/LTC / other fast/strong coins ) ?

It looks like you will have huge premine and risk nothing

from my understanding after two yrs, they are left with only 12% of the pre-mine.  looks like they dumped a lot of money into this, so they are heavily invested already unlike a bunch of other shit coins.  where do you want to make a bet?  a couple of hackers and devs or a well organized org that seems talented and backed by a huge market hmmmmm  Roll Eyes
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October 14, 2014, 02:56:49 AM
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Thanks, I see it now.

Will the bergstake be distributed in proportion to how much is bought per-person in the ICO ?

1 Bergstake per BRO
Thanks.  Couple more questions.   Does a Bergstake virtual mine another Bergstake or a BRO?  And do you have to keep your Berg for 2 years before it can begin it's work?

no. Bergstake cannot generate Bergstake, this is what fixes stake grinding.

Bergstake is only used after PoW
More Questions:
1.  So since Bergstake cannot mine more Bergstake, then the total Bergstake is 7 million mined plus 4.5 million ICO, Correct?
"Distribution of BRO at 2-Years
12% - 2.5 million – Developers, Marketing, Pros, Bounties, Ops
21% - 4.5 million – Initial Coin Offering, Genesis block + Bergstake
33% 7 million – Giveaways - 2 year distribution schedule
33% 7 million – Mined during PoW phase + Bergstake"

2.  And for the 2.5 million for Developers and 7 million in giveaways....there is no Bergstake for them, correct?  

3.  Then if we assume 11.5 million total Bergstake ever in existence, what precautions, if any are you going to do to make sure there is no centralized 51% attacker at the onset of the POB period?  

4.  Also, are you going to do what is necessary to bring in an independent auditor to verify that there are no hidden premined Bergstake shares owned by a centralized person who could perform undefeatable timewarp attacks on BRO.
Thanks.
-Drkman
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October 14, 2014, 04:38:25 AM
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Bergstake FAQ

Do I need to know about Bergstake to use BRO?
No. Breakoutcoin can be used like any other digital currency, users of the currency will never encounter the Bergstake, but should know that Bergstake is used by miners for the purpose of securing the coin and the network and prevent double spending.

How is Bergstake different than Stake?
When you own a digital currency, you have “stake” in it. The stake that you own was  transferred many times over before it reached your wallet, just like that dollar bill in your pocket.

The story of the coin starts when it was originally “minted” by a process called “mining”. The miner, presented a “proof” that was accepted by the network and added to the blockchain. As a reward, the miner is allowed to give herself a number of shiny new coins. She then mints these new coins by making a transaction that sends coins to her wallet. These coins now enter circulation and will be transferred from wallet to wallet as currency.

Bergstake is the “stake” of a coin at the moment it is minted. Before the coin is ever transferred; Bergstake is the Stake! Once a transfer is made, there is a new stake holder, but not a new bergstake holder. The Bergstake is forever owned by the initial minter, and cannot be transferred away.

So whats so special about Bergstake?
The properties of Bergstake allow the use of “Proof-of-Bergstake” to reach distributed  consensus and secure the blockchain. The technical details are out of this scope, to learn more, please research Proof-of-Work and Proof-of-Stake blockchains. See our forum threads for links to white papers.


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October 14, 2014, 05:26:05 AM
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Thanks, I see it now.

Will the bergstake be distributed in proportion to how much is bought per-person in the ICO ?

1 Bergstake per BRO
Thanks.  Couple more questions.   Does a Bergstake virtual mine another Bergstake or a BRO?  And do you have to keep your Berg for 2 years before it can begin it's work?

no. Bergstake cannot generate Bergstake, this is what fixes stake grinding.

Bergstake is only used after PoW
More Questions:
1.  So since Bergstake cannot mine more Bergstake, then the total Bergstake is 7 million mined plus 4.5 million ICO, Correct?
"Distribution of BRO at 2-Years
12% - 2.5 million – Developers, Marketing, Pros, Bounties, Ops
21% - 4.5 million – Initial Coin Offering, Genesis block + Bergstake
33% 7 million – Giveaways - 2 year distribution schedule
33% 7 million – Mined during PoW phase + Bergstake"

2.  And for the 2.5 million for Developers and 7 million in giveaways....there is no Bergstake for them, correct? 

3.  Then if we assume 11.5 million total Bergstake ever in existence, what precautions, if any are you going to do to make sure there is no centralized 51% attacker at the onset of the POB period? 

4.  Also, are you going to do what is necessary to bring in an independent auditor to verify that there are no hidden premined Bergstake shares owned by a centralized person who could perform undefeatable timewarp attacks on BRO.
Thanks.
-Drkman

All these questions can be answered with some more details on what exactly Berstake is and how it works.

No special coin or data or anything is added to the blockchain to generate Bergstake. Every new BRO coin has Bergstake. The first transaction for every coin is the "Coinbase" transaction. Before these newly minted coins are transferred away, the BRO and Bergstake are the same thing! What exactly is this thing? Its an output with an address, and is owned by the person who can prove its his address.

There is even Bergstake in bitcoin. Smiley  (seriously, if there is every a major emergency with bitcoin, moving to PoB wont be a bad idea!)

When these "virgin" BRO coins are transferred  to a new address, the Bergstake is not transferred. It remains tied to the original address forever. Why? Because thats how its defined.

To answer your questions:

1. 2. a pre-mine is the same thing as a mine.. and every mined coin has Bergstake. However, since Bergstake cannot be transferred, we have yet to come up with a solution to distribute the 7 million Bergstake with the BRO giveaways. The plan has always been to burn these 7 million Bergstake. However, after the ICO and before the Genesis block launch, there is an opportunity to either distribute some more Bergstake to ICO investors or to even have a large freeroll poker or fantasy tournament. 

This can be done if put to a vote and voted on with your ICO Bergstake.. The idea is to distribute the Bergstake wide as possible, which leads to your next question.

3. In general, with consensus systems, if there is a single holder with 51% then he always wins because he is the consensus. However to get 51% of bergstake a single miner would have to solve over 50% of all blocks. For there to be 51% holder there would need to be 51% mining power throughout the entire 2 years of PoW. Even if this does happen, a 51% attack really wont be successful, because he cannot acquire the other 49%, so the worst he can do is cause a complete fork in Breakout coin, with one fork of 49% and one with the 51% attacker. if the attacker tries to "mine" on the 49% fork, he will lose his Bergstake due to "double-mining-proof".

4. Its technically impossible for there to be more Bergstake then BRO. However, the genesis block will need to contain the addresses of every single ICO investor, and we will most definitely have an audit of this open-source transaction and compare it to the Bitcoin Exodus inputs.

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October 14, 2014, 05:35:17 AM
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Why wont u use BTC (and DOGE/BC/LTC / other fast/strong coins ) ?

It looks like you will have huge premine and risk nothing

All gaming chips will be denominated in BRO, so Breakout Gaming will have to match all deposits with BRO, which creates some value. In return they get 7million for giveaways, and BTCs from initial sale, this could not be done without a new coin.

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October 14, 2014, 06:37:50 AM
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Russian translation:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=822515.0

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October 14, 2014, 06:43:05 AM
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I vote yay .

edit: if you tell me exactly what your worried about and what you are looking for as an ICO investor, I can put a technical perspective on it, and im open to be convinced to changing the specs. things are dynamic, and flexible.

for example, other investors had asked that we switch to an alternative from CryptoNote. These are all not the core value of the coin, and ultimately the coin is owned by all of us, and if he makes a compelling argument I will bring it up myself. So lets hear what you, as a small or large investor would like .

 Smiley

Thanks for the replies.
1.  Do you know what the ICO pricing will be per BRO?  Because with 14 million outstanding BRO with a tremendously fast 33% 2 year dilution emission curve, then it could easily be the case that the ICO will represent peak prices over the near to medium term simply due to the bulk selling of miners over the next 2 years.  Add in the fact that users that got their BRO for free will be far quicker to dump for any price (because their cost basis was zero) and you have another huge 7million 33% dilution dumping on the market.

2.  Was there ever a consensus about the "coin killing flaw" that possibly exists in all Cryptonote coins?  If you haven't read the thread, you need to and this is not the scam thread, but the thread covering the possible coming attack on the Monero blockchain.  If all cryptonote coins do have either a backdoor, or a fundamental flaw, then it's best to iron this out now before launch.  Also, gaming and gambling cause more blockchain transactions that most everything and Cryptonote coins are vulnerable over the long term to blockchain bloat.  Maybe the 2 technologies are not as good a match as previously believed.  Have you considered just using energy efficient X11?  Still GPU only and will most assuredly stay that way for the remainder of the 2 year POW phase and most miners are already familiar with this protocol so you get your stated goal of reaching the widest distribution.  Plus, you don't have to worry about some secret super high hashing GPU miners as has been the case with the Cryptonote coins.  
Also, if you desired blockchain anonymity, You could still get the anonymity of cryptonote and others by allowing BRO users the option to simply plug into the SuperNET family of coins to gain access to Boolberry (a cryptonote coin) or BTCD's anonymizing Teleport technology.

3.  Consider giving away less BRO and deliver far more coins in the ICO with the goal of lowering the price per coin.  Kinda sucks asking someone to pay real money for an unknown price for a coin only to have that same company then give away almost twice as many BRO for free in order to drive customers to their for profit gambling business for the financial benefit of the owners of said business.  Just rubs investors the wrong way unless you were also going to give Bergstake or ICO holders real ownership shares in the actual Breakout Gaming corporation.....which I would be all for................the blockchain could be a certain percent owner of Breakout Gaming and then everyone that owned the coin would share that ownership.
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October 14, 2014, 07:14:31 AM
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I will vote for the idea of distributing Bergstake of 7 million – Giveaways BRO to ICO investors.
Can Devs say something about pluging BRO into the SuperNET?
Thanks!
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October 14, 2014, 08:30:51 AM
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I vote yay .

edit: if you tell me exactly what your worried about and what you are looking for as an ICO investor, I can put a technical perspective on it, and im open to be convinced to changing the specs. things are dynamic, and flexible.

for example, other investors had asked that we switch to an alternative from CryptoNote. These are all not the core value of the coin, and ultimately the coin is owned by all of us, and if he makes a compelling argument I will bring it up myself. So lets hear what you, as a small or large investor would like .

 Smiley

Thanks for the replies.
1.  Do you know what the ICO pricing will be per BRO?  Because with 14 million outstanding BRO with a tremendously fast 33% 2 year dilution emission curve, then it could easily be the case that the ICO will represent peak prices over the near to medium term simply due to the bulk selling of miners over the next 2 years.  Add in the fact that users that got their BRO for free will be far quicker to dump for any price (because their cost basis was zero) and you have another huge 7million 33% dilution dumping on the market.
price will be market driven. there will be miner dilution over 2 years, giveaways will be managed with demand, and even if ICO is peak near term, you get to sell in first 2 years, and then get to sell again with rewards from bergstake. if you feel ICO will be peak price and peak EV, then its probably not a good idea to invest.  

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2.  Was there ever a consensus about the "coin killing flaw" that possibly exists in all Cryptonote coins?  If you haven't read the thread, you need to and this is not the scam thread, but the thread covering the possible coming attack on the Monero blockchain.  If all cryptonote coins do have either a backdoor, or a fundamental flaw, then it's best to iron this out now before launch.  Also, gaming and gambling cause more blockchain transactions that most everything and Cryptonote coins are vulnerable over the long term to blockchain bloat.  Maybe the 2 technologies are not as good a match as previously believed.  Have you considered just using energy efficient X11?  Still GPU only and will most assuredly stay that way for the remainder of the 2 year POW phase and most miners are already familiar with this protocol so you get your stated goal of reaching the widest distribution.  Plus, you don't have to worry about some secret super high hashing GPU miners as has been the case with the Cryptonote coins.  
Also, if you desired blockchain anonymity, You could still get the anonymity of cryptonote and others by allowing BRO users the option to simply plug into the SuperNET family of coins to gain access to Boolberry (a cryptonote coin) or BTCD's anonymizing Teleport technology.
excellent points, yes, we are aware of recent cryptonote issues and have backup plans in place, such as x11 or x13, but even without CryptoNote, we can still use CryptoNight, no? I am not familiar with SuperNET, but if it provides anonymity without the bloat, its a huge plus. not sure there will be time to make a change, but again the ICO investors will be able to demand changes with majority vote using bergstake.

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3.  Consider giving away less BRO and deliver far more coins in the ICO with the goal of lowering the price per coin.  Kinda sucks asking someone to pay real money for an unknown price for a coin only to have that same company then give away almost twice as many BRO for free in order to drive customers to their for profit gambling business for the financial benefit of the owners of said business.  Just rubs investors the wrong way unless you were also going to give Bergstake or ICO holders real ownership shares in the actual Breakout Gaming corporation.....which I would be all for................the blockchain could be a certain percent owner of Breakout Gaming and then everyone that owned the coin would share that ownership.
the giveaways will be done though gaming platform, in small amounts, over long periods of time, and they will not just be able to cash out immediately. the giveaways are key to building the gaming business, which uses BRO denominated chips. also, ICO investors get Bergstake. regarding ownership, the coin does not represent ownership of any kind, the coin only represents what it is; a decentralized crypto currency.

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October 14, 2014, 12:35:26 PM
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Dev, I have just one question. If I will mine on pool during PoW, how the pool will send me Bergstakes?



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Dev, I have just one question. If I will mine on pool during PoW, how the pool will send me Bergstakes?

Current pool technology will not enable this. So the pool operator will keep all the Bergstake, and to compensate, they will have to distribute all or most of the BRO to miners. This is why we are developing a new kind of pool, where when a block is found, all miners will be entered into the coinbase transaction directly. So there will be 100s of outputs. This "feature" will keep pools smaller and less centralized.

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i like the game...  Shocked
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Dev, I have just one question. If I will mine on pool during PoW, how the pool will send me Bergstakes?

Current pool technology will not enable this. So the pool operator will keep all the Bergstake, and to compensate, they will have to distribute all or most of the BRO to miners. This is why we are developing a new kind of pool, where when a block is found, all miners will be entered into the coinbase transaction directly. So there will be 100s of outputs. This "feature" will keep pools smaller and less centralized.



Thanks. This is important.



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Spanish translation -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=823513.0
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i like the game...  Shocked

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Question : How long will the ICO run for ?
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