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anyone else missing the chat feature on the site? Or did I screw up something on my end again?
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June 12, 2016, 04:33:41 PM |
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anyone else missing the chat feature on the site? Or did I screw up something on my end again?
I miss this too. |
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June 13, 2016, 07:20:20 AM
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I place two bet: 1 it was immediately processed = Lost Why here there was any "double spend" check?!? So this was played without one confirmation! 2 it was processed after a couple of minute = Lost Why here there was a sort "double spend" check?!? So this was played AFTER one confirmation! You have to clarify: WHEN A BET WILL PLACED? Because in two bet you apply two different rules, and what is really bad, you accuse of double spend! and there is any delay by me or blockchain, just you decide (as you want) to accept a bet! Personally I don't want play in a site that has no CLEAR rule  As i published on the notice,when there are some unconfirmed transaction in your wallet and you bet, the bet can be suspicios as double spending. So if you want to bet immediatly, you have only to bet after every transaction of your wallet is confirmed. Then you can believe us. Thank you. Thank you for the reply, but when you introduce exactly this rule? I say this because... I play every time with more and more bet unconfirmed! (You can check my history on blockchain). Just for understand timing of this rule. Thank you again I repost my question: Thank you for the reply, but when you introduce exactly this rule? as soon as the rule applied , we published the rule on the chatting room, and notice. after the time, many people requested the rule on the bitcointalk.com and chatting . i have keep explained the rule. but we will try to explain more detail for the future. thank you. EDIT : i found the first publish time for that . below is first announcement for that. and whenever i received the question, i explained it. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=813554.msg14639553#msg14639553 |
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June 13, 2016, 09:23:44 AM |
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the price is offered by our quote provider, they provided both ask and bid price. and we use only ask price. so it can be little higher than average price. we can not change the price. we just show the price received. and the price is the same with what we have been received. thank you. I noticed that their prices aren't always exactly the same as other brokers. Its probably due to spread. However it shouldn't matter since they all move the same %. Since these are binary options it shouldn't matter. so how did I lose with this chart?? with orther sites the value of CAD/USD was lower than 1.2782 and in this site is 1.2786 at the moment my beting ended   |
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June 13, 2016, 09:37:53 AM |
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so how did I lose with this chart?? with orther sites the value of CAD/USD was lower than 1.2782 and in this site is 1.2786 at the moment my beting ended then, did you also compare these prices at the moment you betting started ? i think that our site's price of the moment also higher than other site you are comparing . and we use ask price. so ask price little higher that average price. i think you need to compare with ask price of other sites(example https://www.fxcm.com/). but they can be little different depending on spread value. the spread value is different each quote provider and marketing strategy of the provider company. thank you. |
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June 13, 2016, 12:31:37 PM
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so how did I lose with this chart?? with orther sites the value of CAD/USD was lower than 1.2782 and in this site is 1.2786 at the moment my beting ended then, did you also compare these prices at the moment you betting started ? i think that our site's price of the moment also higher than other site you are comparing . and we use ask price. so ask price little higher that average price. i think you need to compare with ask price of other sites(example https://www.fxcm.com/). but they can be little different depending on spread value. the spread value is different each quote provider and marketing strategy of the provider company. thank you. So you think I do 5 minutes betting and counting on luck ) When I play in your site, I always compare the value with liberoptions.com and investing.com , at the moment I made this bet, the valu e in the both of liber and investing is higher than 1.27818 and when this bet ended , their value was lower than 1.278 and your site was 1.2786 . Maybe they are cheater , and you always right LOL. and this is not the first time I got this case,
So I just said for others read, because you is the holder our money, I can not do anything  but the way I have been lost is unbelievable, ask price of your site is higher than average price of orther sites with a value too large , and enough made me lost at the end moment of my bet 
Maybe Children will believe your explanations
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June 13, 2016, 04:36:16 PM
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So you think I do 5 minutes betting and counting on luck ) When I play in your site, I always compare the value with liberoptions.com and investing.com , at the moment I made this bet, the valu e in the both of liber and investing is higher than 1.27818 and when this bet ended , their value was lower than 1.278 and your site was 1.2786 . Maybe they are cheater , and you always right LOL. and this is not the first time I got this case,
So I just said for others read, because you is the holder our money, I can not do anything but the way I have been lost is unbelievable, ask price of your site is higher than average price of orther sites with a value too large , and enough made me lost at the end moment of my bet
Maybe Children will believe your explanations
can you compare our data with the Ask price of http://www.fxcm.com/ ? i don't know what price use on the liberoptions.com and investing.com . if you compare , you have to compare Ask price , because we use ask price. thank you. Edit : i did also compare the ask price with the one of the investing.com. it was similar to the movement. thank you. |
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June 14, 2016, 05:01:48 AM |
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SecondsTrade,
I have not received my profit from my bet. It has been 6 months now. I have requested many many times.
"Soon" as a response as to when I will be paid is not fair.
Pay me today
as you said, your transaction was 6 month ago. and you did not any request for 6 month. so i will not check for your transaction. thank you. Our Refund Policy 4. bets more than a month ago will not be refunded. So please feel free to contact us immediately in case of problems. again, here is a copy of my e-mail that I sent to you that is being ignored. Here is what I emailed on Jan 15, 2016 7:03pm to you. Hello, I did a 30 min option last night for 2.0999 BTC and it never showed up on transactions. I tried contacting through website and couldnt find contact help. I found your email on bitcointalk. I did not receive my winnings or payment back. I am assuming it is because the amount exceeded the page limit? I didnt notice the limit until today. Please send me payment back. Thanks, Cliff Here is the transaction: https://blockchain.info/address/1GZFqVE9MPVwWcy1KffVuDAaZFqEFSzy1nYou Sent 2.0999 BTC ($ 778.03) Value at time of transaction $ 856.76 Well SecondsTrade? Whats your excuse for not paying me for six months? You keep avoiding answering me. I asked about my payment the next morning after I won my bet. Whats your excuse? |
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June 14, 2016, 05:53:10 AM |
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SecondsTrade,
I have not received my profit from my bet. It has been 6 months now. I have requested many many times.
"Soon" as a response as to when I will be paid is not fair.
Pay me today
as you said, your transaction was 6 month ago. and you did not any request for 6 month. so i will not check for your transaction. thank you. Our Refund Policy 4. bets more than a month ago will not be refunded. So please feel free to contact us immediately in case of problems. again, here is a copy of my e-mail that I sent to you that is being ignored. Here is what I emailed on Jan 15, 2016 7:03pm to you. Hello, I did a 30 min option last night for 2.0999 BTC and it never showed up on transactions. I tried contacting through website and couldnt find contact help. I found your email on bitcointalk. I did not receive my winnings or payment back. I am assuming it is because the amount exceeded the page limit? I didnt notice the limit until today. Please send me payment back. Thanks, Cliff Here is the transaction: https://blockchain.info/address/1GZFqVE9MPVwWcy1KffVuDAaZFqEFSzy1nYou Sent 2.0999 BTC ($ 778.03) Value at time of transaction $ 856.76 Well SecondsTrade? Whats your excuse for not paying me for six months? You keep avoiding answering me. I asked about my payment the next morning after I won my bet. Whats your excuse? Your link show a bet adress, not the transaction. LOL. |
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June 14, 2016, 06:11:52 AM |
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Forex index is down, fix it ASAP please.
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June 14, 2016, 07:34:46 AM |
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SecondsTrade,
I have not received my profit from my bet. It has been 6 months now. I have requested many many times.
"Soon" as a response as to when I will be paid is not fair.
Pay me today
as you said, your transaction was 6 month ago. and you did not any request for 6 month. so i will not check for your transaction. thank you. Our Refund Policy 4. bets more than a month ago will not be refunded. So please feel free to contact us immediately in case of problems. again, here is a copy of my e-mail that I sent to you that is being ignored. Here is what I emailed on Jan 15, 2016 7:03pm to you. Hello, I did a 30 min option last night for 2.0999 BTC and it never showed up on transactions. I tried contacting through website and couldnt find contact help. I found your email on bitcointalk. I did not receive my winnings or payment back. I am assuming it is because the amount exceeded the page limit? I didnt notice the limit until today. Please send me payment back. Thanks, Cliff Here is the transaction: https://blockchain.info/address/1GZFqVE9MPVwWcy1KffVuDAaZFqEFSzy1nYou Sent 2.0999 BTC ($ 778.03) Value at time of transaction $ 856.76 Well SecondsTrade? Whats your excuse for not paying me for six months? You keep avoiding answering me. I asked about my payment the next morning after I won my bet. Whats your excuse? Your link show a bet adress, not the transaction. LOL. Cryptorast, Yes that is what the link shows. It is not "lol" funny but a serious issue. What you see here is only one of many messages to SecondsTrade. The problem started after I sent the BTC. I had confirmation from my wallet it was sent along with confirmations and time it was received. However on the site I did NOT receive the "transaction" that somehow you see as funny "lol" I have been messaging for months trying to be paid. After a few months I received my original deposit back but nothing about my profits. Why have I not been paid? lol, not funny. Pay what you owe SecondsTrade |
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June 14, 2016, 08:34:56 AM |
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Cryptorast, Yes that is what the link shows. It is not "lol" funny but a serious issue. What you see here is only one of many messages to SecondsTrade. The problem started after I sent the BTC. I had confirmation from my wallet it was sent along with confirmations and time it was received. However on the site I did NOT receive the "transaction" that somehow you see as funny "lol" I have been messaging for months trying to be paid. After a few months I received my original deposit back but nothing about my profits. Why have I not been paid? lol, not funny. Pay what you owe SecondsTrade I don't see your problem. You exceeded the maximum bet and got refunded for that. https://blockchain.info/tx/c998a485984ebde240b61d429f9a2ed411d53ad852f6de9819d8458976e1a0a7https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=813554.msg13589578#msg13589578But you seem to want to claim winning. It is a cool strategy though. If you win the bet claim winnings if you lose the bet claim refund for exceeding the limit. That's a win-win |
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June 14, 2016, 08:43:27 AM
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Cryptorast, Yes that is what the link shows. It is not "lol" funny but a serious issue. What you see here is only one of many messages to SecondsTrade. The problem started after I sent the BTC. I had confirmation from my wallet it was sent along with confirmations and time it was received. However on the site I did NOT receive the "transaction" that somehow you see as funny "lol" I have been messaging for months trying to be paid. After a few months I received my original deposit back but nothing about my profits. Why have I not been paid? lol, not funny. Pay what you owe SecondsTrade I don't see your problem. You exceeded the maximum bet and got refunded for that. https://blockchain.info/tx/c998a485984ebde240b61d429f9a2ed411d53ad852f6de9819d8458976e1a0a7https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=813554.msg13589578#msg13589578But you seem to want to claim winning. It is a cool strategy though. If you win the bet claim winnings if you lose the bet claim refund for exceeding the limit. That's a win-win thank you for your research. we have refunded for every reasonable requests , since our site was launched. i understand that he forget the our refund. |
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June 15, 2016, 04:37:18 AM |
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14zgTJRSaJzPxFHzAteLLWEDhH6h4JyY65 14zgTJRSaJzPxFHzAteLLWEDhH6h4JyY65
I sent BTC to this address, and I wined, but I did not get btw back
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June 15, 2016, 05:01:48 AM |
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14zgTJRSaJzPxFHzAteLLWEDhH6h4JyY65 14zgTJRSaJzPxFHzAteLLWEDhH6h4JyY65
I sent BTC to this address, and I wined, but I did not get btw back
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June 15, 2016, 08:30:22 AM |
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Cryptorast, Yes that is what the link shows. It is not "lol" funny but a serious issue. What you see here is only one of many messages to SecondsTrade. The problem started after I sent the BTC. I had confirmation from my wallet it was sent along with confirmations and time it was received. However on the site I did NOT receive the "transaction" that somehow you see as funny "lol" I have been messaging for months trying to be paid. After a few months I received my original deposit back but nothing about my profits. Why have I not been paid? lol, not funny. Pay what you owe SecondsTrade I don't see your problem. You exceeded the maximum bet and got refunded for that. https://blockchain.info/tx/c998a485984ebde240b61d429f9a2ed411d53ad852f6de9819d8458976e1a0a7https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=813554.msg13589578#msg13589578But you seem to want to claim winning. It is a cool strategy though. If you win the bet claim winnings if you lose the bet claim refund for exceeding the limit. That's a win-win Stroto, You do not see the problem because you do not see the entire conversation I have had with SecondsTrade. Lets just look at a few of the points you state and answer them for you. 1) I don't see your problem - Answer, as stated above it is because you lack the full conversation I have been having with SecondsTrade for 6 months. 2) You exceeded the maximum bet and got refunded for that. - Answer - apparently I exceeded the maximum bet. Was the funds returned without effort? NO. Was I e-mailed? NO. Did I receive any calls or help from support explain what happened? NO. What I received was this. BTC sent, no confirmation, waiting, no confirmations, nothing on Seconds Trade site. waiting, waiting, waiting. I anxiously tried to find a support phone number, a live chat or e-mail option. I found none. The website offers links on the bottom to facebook and twitter. After much searching the next day I was able to find an e-mail on this site, bitcointalk. I then began the long process to find someone to get me paid. What I received was only my bet back. This took a long time and lots of communication and pressure to even get this back. But I didnt receive my profit. 3) cool strategy - Answer, simply wrong. This suggests that this is something that could actually happen. If a site accepted my bet and lost, do you really think I could go back to them and say, oh hey, by the way I bet over the site limits and lost please refund me. What would you say to this person? If you honestly think someone would refund someone when they lost because they bet to much then you are a fool. Answer me this. When I learned about site limits I offered a proposal tat I be paid upon the site limits. I bet 2 BTC, just pay me on 1 BTC. .8 btc profit. I recieved a message from SecondsTrade on facebook messenger last month that I would receive my profits "soon" Ok so I wait again. Where is it? I post and post and ask and ask. Then they say, oh sorry your request is more than one month old. We cant do anything about it. Are you kidding me??? So here we are here now. What would you do? |
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June 15, 2016, 08:33:46 AM |
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Cryptorast, Yes that is what the link shows. It is not "lol" funny but a serious issue. What you see here is only one of many messages to SecondsTrade. The problem started after I sent the BTC. I had confirmation from my wallet it was sent along with confirmations and time it was received. However on the site I did NOT receive the "transaction" that somehow you see as funny "lol" I have been messaging for months trying to be paid. After a few months I received my original deposit back but nothing about my profits. Why have I not been paid? lol, not funny. Pay what you owe SecondsTrade I don't see your problem. You exceeded the maximum bet and got refunded for that. https://blockchain.info/tx/c998a485984ebde240b61d429f9a2ed411d53ad852f6de9819d8458976e1a0a7https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=813554.msg13589578#msg13589578But you seem to want to claim winning. It is a cool strategy though. If you win the bet claim winnings if you lose the bet claim refund for exceeding the limit. That's a win-win thank you for your research. we have refunded for every reasonable requests , since our site was launched. i understand that he forget the our refund. Dear secondstrade.com, Poster of this response. The person who posted this failed to see that they never read all of our communications. You responded to me in response to my proposal to accept .8BTC profit on 1/2 of the bet on facebook messenger and answered me that my profits would be paid "soon" Please tell me how long "soon" is and how long I need to wait? |
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June 15, 2016, 10:04:56 AM |
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Stroto,
You do not see the problem because you do not see the entire conversation I have had with SecondsTrade. Lets just look at a few of the points you state and answer them for you.
1) I don't see your problem - Answer, as stated above it is because you lack the full conversation I have been having with SecondsTrade for 6 months.
I've only read what you have written here. But since you were screaming "You owe me, You owe me" I was looking up the whole conversation as I like to dig around projects where I rotate coins through. 2) You exceeded the maximum bet and got refunded for that. - Answer - apparently I exceeded the maximum bet. Was the funds returned without effort? NO. Was I e-mailed? NO. Did I receive any calls or help from support explain what happened? NO. What I received was this. BTC sent, no confirmation, waiting, no confirmations, nothing on Seconds Trade site. waiting, waiting, waiting. I anxiously tried to find a support phone number, a live chat or e-mail option. I found none. The website offers links on the bottom to facebook and twitter. After much searching the next day I was able to find an e-mail on this site, bitcointalk. I then began the long process to find someone to get me paid. What I received was only my bet back. This took a long time and lots of communication and pressure to even get this back. But I didnt receive my profit.
It was refunded within two or 3 days I'm not counting the hours orso. It is a bit slow and should be automatic but nothing uncommon in this cryptocommunity. As you said in your first reply that was on the 16th "yesterday I made a bet and today I saw the limit" (happens to me a lot too not reading everything and the day after thinking... ohw). The first reply was we check it the second we refund it.
3) cool strategy - Answer, simply wrong. This suggests that this is something that could actually happen. If a site accepted my bet and lost, do you really think I could go back to them and say, oh hey, by the way I bet over the site limits and lost please refund me. What would you say to this person? If you honestly think someone would refund someone when they lost because they bet to much then you are a fool.
Answer me this. When I learned about site limits I offered a proposal tat I be paid upon the site limits. I bet 2 BTC, just pay me on 1 BTC. .8 btc profit. I recieved a message from SecondsTrade on facebook messenger last month that I would receive my profits "soon"
Ok so I wait again. Where is it? I post and post and ask and ask. Then they say, oh sorry your request is more than one month old. We cant do anything about it. Are you kidding me???
So here we are here now.
What would you do?
In this cryptocommunity there are a lot of people that exactly play that game. Trying to earn some coins like that. If you would have lost your bet while it was exceeding the limit it would have not been processed as bet and refunded. Exceeding the limit, is in a lot of casino's an automatic refund of that bet, win or loss. I've exceeded the limits multiple times on different sites and with some rookie dealers in real casino's (not on purpose I blame the booze lol) in all instances I only got my original bet back, with both supposively wins and losses. And yeah I honestly think that both casino's and legit online casino's/bettingsites that don't want to have their credibility wasted on a few coins refund any bet that is over the limit. Any huge sportsbetting site where I exceeded the limit just refunded it that happened automatically and I didn't need to contact them, "bet rejected" turns up on page. If I would own this site I would never had said I would give you the profit of half the bet, as I would have refund any exceeding bet that lost too as it did not confirm with the rules of betting it would be invalid. And that is exactly what I am referring too. I would lose all credibility if I would NOT refund a bet that is exceeding the limit just because it would have lost when it would have been within the limits. For that reason I would not pay out the winnings up to the limit either. As I, if I would respect my own rules, would have to pay the original bet back on a loss and the original bet plus some winnings on a win. How long would it take before the word was out and everyone and their grandmother would exceed the limit to drain the hotwallet? It is ignorant to think that won't happen. However if secondstrade did say to you they would pay out of courtesy (as I said I would never have done that), they should pay but since it is a courtesy they won't owe you it. They should have been firm in January and just say no, you've got a refund already. I would appreciate their courtesy offer too of course , I would hope they would be a man of their word, I would not expect it to happen though and I would not be trying to get that for months and months as there are more important things in life then people that say one thing and do another. Good Luck anyway, I was just interested if your 2.1 BTC had *poofed* but you got them back. |
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June 15, 2016, 10:13:40 AM |
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Cryptorast, Yes that is what the link shows. It is not "lol" funny but a serious issue. What you see here is only one of many messages to SecondsTrade. The problem started after I sent the BTC. I had confirmation from my wallet it was sent along with confirmations and time it was received. However on the site I did NOT receive the "transaction" that somehow you see as funny "lol" I have been messaging for months trying to be paid. After a few months I received my original deposit back but nothing about my profits. Why have I not been paid? lol, not funny. Pay what you owe SecondsTrade I don't see your problem. You exceeded the maximum bet and got refunded for that. https://blockchain.info/tx/c998a485984ebde240b61d429f9a2ed411d53ad852f6de9819d8458976e1a0a7https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=813554.msg13589578#msg13589578But you seem to want to claim winning. It is a cool strategy though. If you win the bet claim winnings if you lose the bet claim refund for exceeding the limit. That's a win-win thank you for your research. we have refunded for every reasonable requests , since our site was launched. i understand that he forget the our refund. Dear secondstrade.com, Poster of this response. The person who posted this failed to see that they never read all of our communications. You responded to me in response to my proposal to accept .8BTC profit on 1/2 of the bet on facebook messenger and answered me that my profits would be paid "soon" Please tell me how long "soon" is and how long I need to wait? i don't understand what you mean. do you want profits? we have always just refunded for the excess bet amount of the limit . there is no profit, because the excess bet amount of the limit is invalid. as you can see you the transaction, we refunded 2.0998 BTC. we have never given the profits for the excess bet amount of the limit. thank you. |
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