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[dotcoin.info]

Look, Dotcoin.info is just a troll from the Tilecoin thread. He has been ranting there all day long, double posting the same 'questions'.  Despite repeated requests from both the Tile and Bay communities to stop.

Dev, thought this thread was moderated against trolls?

I can troll any coin if I wish. I admit I have interest in tilecoin. am I not allowed to ask few questions here?

[whetherman]

Look, Dotcoin.info is just a troll from the Tilecoin thread. He has been ranting there all day long, double posting the same 'questions'.  Despite repeated requests from both the Tile and Bay communities to stop.

Dev, thought this thread was moderated against trolls?

I can troll any coin if I wish. I admit I have interest in tilecoin. am I not allowed to ask few questions here?

Nice that you acknowlege that you are trolling from Tile. That worked out well for SDC.

[arteleis]

This is a good question actually! The best one yet. So here is the thing. They arent just getting Halo, they will be getting my services throughout the coins life span. This doesn't detract from Blackcoin stuff since for now, most of the work is similar in nature. They explained in depth to me that they are in it for the long run. They were excited a few of them it was their first time starting their own coin and decided they wanted the best features. Now, what makes the fact that they licensed a good thing (at least from my point of view) is that they are actually treating this like a business. Halo is actually open source for review and building purposes. I just change the variable names. It will go open source eventually and so they will next in line behind rat4 from Blackcoin to get that source. My timeline for open source is basically after things settle down and my client has everything automated and the people using it couldnt be happier.

I'm David, the maker of Halo and if you download BitHalo/BlackHalo you will see that it very much exists. If you email me personally I can even show you how to make a contract. Hows that sound?

As for the markets, please check out Blackcoins subreddit, the markets are almost done. If you notice in Halo, Bitmessage had been integrated since May 29th of last year. My main delay was just planning and marketing since I was working alone at the time. The markets use a system of whitelists/burn and a remanufactured Bitmessage to fully decentralize the internet. But in a good way. These white listed markets can allow for a trust building system amongst nodes and is what I believe to be, the future of the internet.

Bitmessage needed to be recoded and 4.4 release fixed a bug I was complaining about for almost 4 months. I'm very happy that Atheros was able to go back to coding and fixed it. However, burn will not be attached to the first release since I would have to change the rules for our peers by adding it to the payload and tying it to the Blackcoin and Bay networks. Also, I'm having a kill switch in the first Beta market to give people some time to play with it and report bugs during its beta(while i code in burn). So this way, i can have frequent releases and still monitor the markets.

The screenshots for the new BitHalo markets are on reddit. There is lots of questions about how much I want to automate in the first version. Baycoin helping out, actually helps me from getting stuck with "scope creep" as they will be interested in funding a dev team which is why I got excited and took the deal.

You guys should skip the 3000btc ipo on an exchange.. and do it on your own marketplace? Why would you use an exchange if you already have a marketplace?

  Little bit confused here.  Wouldn't this be the best way to enter into smart contracts?

  I've never used Bter before.   Would prefer to invest through your client.

   Let me know if this will be an option.

Thanks!

 Sorry read the rest of the op.  There is no wallet or smart contracts yet. Or marketplace. 
   This coin hasn't even launched yet?

   So in order to release a wallet. You're asking for 1.5 million dollars?

   What does it mean when you say. You are licensing bithalo? I thought it was to be open source? Please explain what you mean my licensing, and provide links to where the proposed public funding would be spent.

   I'm only here because I'm interested, but just some head scratching going on here, as it seems you're advertising a nonexistent product.

  Perhaps I've read something wrong or missed some links. 

 Thanks for a response.

Thanks for the reply David.

On a personal note I am among many others admirers of your work.
I don't know, nor do I think anyone knows who the Bitbay guys are.
Many ICOs have gone horrible wrong and no offense to BTER, but there have been multiple times, massive amounts of money have gone missing there.

Unfortunately, it is soley your reputation on the line, as the majority, if not all the rest of the people involved here are unknown.

But I of course will respect your judgement in your choice of team.  It would be nice if they decided to share the responsibility of not only success but also failure if unable to complete their end of the deal (as i could not see your end of the deal not holding up)  The last thing I would want to see is you run out of crypto as a scapegoat for lost public money and phantom developers vanishing into the void.

In saying that, I do wish the Bitbay team the best, but think it would be fair to also share personal information as your lead dev has.
The only credibility here is you, David Zimbeck; I don't see anything else. (if this isn't the case please provide the missed reference)

Good luck guys.  Ill be watching, and I'll invest into a smart contract project, through a smart contract; If that option arises.

[dotcoin.info]

Look, Dotcoin.info is just a troll from the Tilecoin thread. He has been ranting there all day long, double posting the same 'questions'.  Despite repeated requests from both the Tile and Bay communities to stop.

Dev, thought this thread was moderated against trolls?

I can troll any coin if I wish. I admit I have interest in tilecoin. am I not allowed to ask few questions here?

Nice that you acknowlege that you are trolling from Tile. That worked out well for SDC.

I feel very sorry if you can not differ trolling from reasoning/questioning.  Maybe I am tough, but answer my questions.

[dzimbeck]

puffing resources about alibaba and major Chinese exchanges from this Coin organizer is biggest mistake from beginning. All the fancy promises makes it too good to be true.  I am not actually fudding now. I am asking questions.  Please prove it first. I am not questioning David Zimbeck, who grants bithalo license to this team. I am questioning the team behind. specifically  the Chinese man behind.
If he do not intend to reveal more details about himself. Please prove his ability in one way or another. The ability I mean his resources from alibaba or other companies in China.

I noticed some Chinese bitcoin/altcoin media reports, but i didn't find anything about above mentioned info, which makes it very fishy. Why don't they mention all these advantages on Chinese media? cuz questioning from Chinese investors?

Youve got a valid point here. There is a good amount of uncertainty. I'm the type to respect the privacy of my associates. From the discussions we had, their actions and the fact that I will be meeting one of the team members personally in a few weeks quells my superstitions. But hey, you never know where this coin is gonna go. Thats why just take a "wait and see" attitude. By the way, from the discussions I had with these guys, they are not really at all like Tilecoin. Mostly, we talked about mesh networks and seeing if we could get some manufacturers here in Asia to make routers, radio devices or special tethering phones with software on it to create a giant mesh network. If we can really do that, this coin will actually be worth more than money because mesh networks is about freedom. The idea of a mesh network and having no IP addresses is pretty much the liberation of the entire internet and Telcom industry. Not saying we will get that far but if they do well its in the road map.

[whetherman]

Look, Dotcoin.info is just a troll from the Tilecoin thread. He has been ranting there all day long, double posting the same 'questions'.  Despite repeated requests from both the Tile and Bay communities to stop.

Dev, thought this thread was moderated against trolls?

I can troll any coin if I wish. I admit I have interest in tilecoin. am I not allowed to ask few questions here?

Nice that you acknowlege that you are trolling from Tile. That worked out well for SDC.

I feel very sorry if you can not differ trolling from reasoning/questioning.  Maybe I am tough, but answer my questions.

Thanks, but no need to feel sorry for me. You said yourself that you are here to troll.

[dotcoin.info]

puffing resources about alibaba and major Chinese exchanges from this Coin organizer is biggest mistake from beginning. All the fancy promises makes it too good to be true.  I am not actually fudding now. I am asking questions.  Please prove it first. I am not questioning David Zimbeck, who grants bithalo license to this team. I am questioning the team behind. specifically  the Chinese man behind.
If he do not intend to reveal more details about himself. Please prove his ability in one way or another. The ability I mean his resources from alibaba or other companies in China.

I noticed some Chinese bitcoin/altcoin media reports, but i didn't find anything about above mentioned info, which makes it very fishy. Why don't they mention all these advantages on Chinese media? cuz questioning from Chinese investors?

Youve got a valid point here. There is a good amount of uncertainty. I'm the type to respect the privacy of my associates. From the discussions we had, their actions and the fact that I will be meeting one of the team members personally in a few weeks quells my superstitions. But hey, you never know where this coin is gonna go. Thats why just take a "wait and see" attitude. By the way, from the discussions I had with these guys, they are not really at all like Tilecoin. Mostly, we talked about mesh networks and seeing if we could get some manufacturers here in Asia to make routers, radio devices or special tethering phones with software on it to create a giant mesh network. If we can really do that, this coin will actually be worth more than money because mesh networks is about freedom. The idea of a mesh network and having no IP addresses is pretty much the liberation of the entire internet and Telcom industry. Not saying we will get that far but if they do well its in the road map.

Thanks David, you are the only reason I stay here and keep asking questions.  no more.
And I have very reliable leads to question this team. This is not only concern of bitbay/bter/tile/blk, but more. many ppl will involved sooner or later. I am not only in tile, but in many coins, including blk. but most of my recent holdings and once before are scams. I can dump them anytime. But i am serious investor anyway, and most survivals in current altcoin world are. My questions are their questions. These guys can revive the market if they still believe in something. if they are pissed off, every coin will turn to a mess.

If the team especially the Chinese member can prove his ability in Mainland China in one way or another, I would love to stop questioning or fudding, whatever they call it.

[dzimbeck]

This is a good question actually! The best one yet. So here is the thing. They arent just getting Halo, they will be getting my services throughout the coins life span. This doesn't detract from Blackcoin stuff since for now, most of the work is similar in nature. They explained in depth to me that they are in it for the long run. They were excited a few of them it was their first time starting their own coin and decided they wanted the best features. Now, what makes the fact that they licensed a good thing (at least from my point of view) is that they are actually treating this like a business. Halo is actually open source for review and building purposes. I just change the variable names. It will go open source eventually and so they will next in line behind rat4 from Blackcoin to get that source. My timeline for open source is basically after things settle down and my client has everything automated and the people using it couldnt be happier.

I'm David, the maker of Halo and if you download BitHalo/BlackHalo you will see that it very much exists. If you email me personally I can even show you how to make a contract. Hows that sound?

As for the markets, please check out Blackcoins subreddit, the markets are almost done. If you notice in Halo, Bitmessage had been integrated since May 29th of last year. My main delay was just planning and marketing since I was working alone at the time. The markets use a system of whitelists/burn and a remanufactured Bitmessage to fully decentralize the internet. But in a good way. These white listed markets can allow for a trust building system amongst nodes and is what I believe to be, the future of the internet.

Bitmessage needed to be recoded and 4.4 release fixed a bug I was complaining about for almost 4 months. I'm very happy that Atheros was able to go back to coding and fixed it. However, burn will not be attached to the first release since I would have to change the rules for our peers by adding it to the payload and tying it to the Blackcoin and Bay networks. Also, I'm having a kill switch in the first Beta market to give people some time to play with it and report bugs during its beta(while i code in burn). So this way, i can have frequent releases and still monitor the markets.

The screenshots for the new BitHalo markets are on reddit. There is lots of questions about how much I want to automate in the first version. Baycoin helping out, actually helps me from getting stuck with "scope creep" as they will be interested in funding a dev team which is why I got excited and took the deal.

You guys should skip the 3000btc ipo on an exchange.. and do it on your own marketplace? Why would you use an exchange if you already have a marketplace?

  Little bit confused here.  Wouldn't this be the best way to enter into smart contracts?

  I've never used Bter before.   Would prefer to invest through your client.

   Let me know if this will be an option.

Thanks!

 Sorry read the rest of the op.  There is no wallet or smart contracts yet. Or marketplace. 
   This coin hasn't even launched yet?

   So in order to release a wallet. You're asking for 1.5 million dollars?

   What does it mean when you say. You are licensing bithalo? I thought it was to be open source? Please explain what you mean my licensing, and provide links to where the proposed public funding would be spent.

   I'm only here because I'm interested, but just some head scratching going on here, as it seems you're advertising a nonexistent product.

  Perhaps I've read something wrong or missed some links. 

 Thanks for a response.

Thanks for the reply David.

On a personal note I am among many others admirers of your work.
I don't know, nor do I think anyone knows who the Bitbay guys are.
Many ICOs have gone horrible wrong and no offense to BTER, but there have been multiple times, massive amounts of money have gone missing there.

Unfortunately, it is soley your reputation on the line, as the majority, if not all the rest of the people involved here are unknown.

But I of course will respect your judgement in your choice of team.  It would be nice if they decided to share the responsibility of not only success but also failure if unable to complete their end of the deal (as i could not see your end of the deal not holding up)  The last thing I would want to see is you run out of crypto as a scapegoat for lost public money and phantom developers vanishing into the void.

In saying that, I do wish the Bitbay team the best, but think it would be fair to also share personal information as your lead dev has.
The only credibility here is you, David Zimbeck; I don't see anything else. (if this isn't the case please provide the missed reference)

Good luck guys.  Ill be watching, and I'll invest into a smart contract project, through a smart contract; If that option arises.

Yeah, this is a very important concern even for me. And I realize my reputation is on the line when I license my code. Even worse, like you said, I could get blamed because the public is pretty unsympathetic. So how about this post here verifies that and the Bitbay team I think can and should back me up on this to exonerate me from anything if we get left alone during the project cycle.

But lets make this clear to the planet. In Crypto currently, my job is to make software and to make double deposit escrow used worldwide. Not to make coins. My role in Blackcoin was to avoid making a new coin at all costs. But working alone is very difficult and although Blackcoin does come through a lot, its just so much faster if I stop walking away from people who want to pay devs. But as the year went by and I continuously turned down work it got really exhausting and now that I'm considering that my dev cycle would have been faster if I opened up a bit to entertain the investing parties. Its no mystery that I'm tired of coding alone.

They made a deposit so, thats a good start. If they had not made one I would not be talking right now.

[BitBay Team]

puffing resources about alibaba and major Chinese exchanges from this Coin organizer is biggest mistake from beginning. All the fancy promises makes it too good to be true.  I am not actually fudding now. I am asking questions.  Please prove it first. I am not questioning David Zimbeck, who grants bithalo license to this team. I am questioning the team behind. specifically  the Chinese man behind.
If he do not intend to reveal more details about himself. Please prove his ability in one way or another. The ability I mean his resources from alibaba or other companies in China.

I noticed some Chinese bitcoin/altcoin media reports, but i didn't find anything about above mentioned info, which makes it very fishy. Why don't they mention all these advantages on Chinese media? cuz questioning from Chinese investors?

Youve got a valid point here. There is a good amount of uncertainty. I'm the type to respect the privacy of my associates. From the discussions we had, their actions and the fact that I will be meeting one of the team members personally in a few weeks quells my superstitions. But hey, you never know where this coin is gonna go. Thats why just take a "wait and see" attitude. By the way, from the discussions I had with these guys, they are not really at all like Tilecoin. Mostly, we talked about mesh networks and seeing if we could get some manufacturers here in Asia to make routers, radio devices or special tethering phones with software on it to create a giant mesh network. If we can really do that, this coin will actually be worth more than money because mesh networks is about freedom. The idea of a mesh network and having no IP addresses is pretty much the liberation of the entire internet and Telcom industry. Not saying we will get that far but if they do well its in the road map.

Thanks David, you are the only reason I stay here and keep asking questions.  no more.
And I have very reliable leads to question this team. This is not only concern of bitbay/bter/tile/blk, but more. many ppl will involved sooner or later. I am not only in tile, but in many coins, including blk. but most of my recent holdings and once before are scams. I can dump them anytime. But i am serious investor anyway, and most survivals in current altcoin world are. My questions are their questions. These guys can revive the market if they still believe in something. if they are pissed off, every coin will turn to a mess.

If the team especially the Chinese member can prove his ability in Mainland China in one way or another, I would love to stop questioning or fudding, whatever they call it.

Sir.

This is the last time we will reply to you concerning our team and who's in it. We have already explained that our team members are located globally. Our connections in China run deep. I can assure you of this. We have a member who was a higher level employee at Alibaba and with him brings years of experience in that field. He also comes with many vendors who are already waiting for the marketplace to start selling goods worldwide and not need to rely on a third party or pay high fees just to be able to sell a product to someone in the UK. We'll be releasing some more information on our team members shortly. I recommend that you take Mr Zimbeck's advice and take the "wait and see" approach. It cant hurt.

We thank you for your concern and look forward to providing you with further info regarding the team at a later point.

[dotcoin.info]

puffing resources about alibaba and major Chinese exchanges from this Coin organizer is biggest mistake from beginning. All the fancy promises makes it too good to be true.  I am not actually fudding now. I am asking questions.  Please prove it first. I am not questioning David Zimbeck, who grants bithalo license to this team. I am questioning the team behind. specifically  the Chinese man behind.
If he do not intend to reveal more details about himself. Please prove his ability in one way or another. The ability I mean his resources from alibaba or other companies in China.

I noticed some Chinese bitcoin/altcoin media reports, but i didn't find anything about above mentioned info, which makes it very fishy. Why don't they mention all these advantages on Chinese media? cuz questioning from Chinese investors?

Youve got a valid point here. There is a good amount of uncertainty. I'm the type to respect the privacy of my associates. From the discussions we had, their actions and the fact that I will be meeting one of the team members personally in a few weeks quells my superstitions. But hey, you never know where this coin is gonna go. Thats why just take a "wait and see" attitude. By the way, from the discussions I had with these guys, they are not really at all like Tilecoin. Mostly, we talked about mesh networks and seeing if we could get some manufacturers here in Asia to make routers, radio devices or special tethering phones with software on it to create a giant mesh network. If we can really do that, this coin will actually be worth more than money because mesh networks is about freedom. The idea of a mesh network and having no IP addresses is pretty much the liberation of the entire internet and Telcom industry. Not saying we will get that far but if they do well its in the road map.

Thanks David, you are the only reason I stay here and keep asking questions.  no more.
And I have very reliable leads to question this team. This is not only concern of bitbay/bter/tile/blk, but more. many ppl will involved sooner or later. I am not only in tile, but in many coins, including blk. but most of my recent holdings and once before are scams. I can dump them anytime. But i am serious investor anyway, and most survivals in current altcoin world are. My questions are their questions. These guys can revive the market if they still believe in something. if they are pissed off, every coin will turn to a mess.

If the team especially the Chinese member can prove his ability in Mainland China in one way or another, I would love to stop questioning or fudding, whatever they call it.

Sir.

This is the last time we will reply to you concerning our team and who's in it. We have already explained that our team members are located globally. Our connections in China run deep. I can assure you of this. We have a member who was a higher level employee at Alibaba and with him brings years of experience in that field. He also comes with many vendors who are already waiting for the marketplace to start selling goods worldwide and not need to rely on a third party or pay high fees just to be able to sell a product to someone in the UK. We'll be releasing some more information on our team members shortly. I recommend that you take Mr Zimbeck's advice and take the "wait and see" approach. It cant hurt.

We thank you for your concern and look forward to providing you with further info regarding the team at a later point.

Marked! and screenshot Saved.  Thanks

[arteleis]

Yeah, this is a very important concern even for me. And I realize my reputation is on the line when I license my code. Even worse, like you said, I could get blamed because the public is pretty unsympathetic. So how about this post here verifies that and the Bitbay team I think can and should back me up on this to exonerate me from anything if we get left alone during the project cycle.

But lets make this clear to the planet. In Crypto currently, my job is to make software and to make double deposit escrow used worldwide. Not to make coins. My role in Blackcoin was to avoid making a new coin at all costs. But working alone is very difficult and although Blackcoin does come through a lot, its just so much faster if I stop walking away from people who want to pay devs. But as the year went by and I continuously turned down work it got really exhausting and now that I'm considering that my dev cycle would have been faster if I opened up a bit to entertain the investing parties. Its no mystery that I'm tired of coding alone.

They made a deposit so, thats a good start. If they had not made one I would not be talking right now.

You should put this team on a smart contract. (-;

And yeah man totally understand, think last time I talked to you, you were buried in 700k lines worth of code, working utterly alone.

Personally, if the entire ico was to be held by you, I would feel more confident then with a newbie of 16 posts, unable to verify who they are until the completion of the ico.  If its your reputation, should be your bank as well. In the few conversations I've had with you, I'd trust ya with public money, including my own.
Not really sure how this ico is setup, a phantom, thoroughly engrained in china.. really isn't good enough for me personally.

And lol.. you should make new coins!!  just start shill accounts like everyone else does.. haha

I believe tho, your honest posts here should enough to keep the wolves at bay.  woops... no pun intended haha

[dzimbeck]

puffing resources about alibaba and major Chinese exchanges from this Coin organizer is biggest mistake from beginning. All the fancy promises makes it too good to be true.  I am not actually fudding now. I am asking questions.  Please prove it first. I am not questioning David Zimbeck, who grants bithalo license to this team. I am questioning the team behind. specifically  the Chinese man behind.
If he do not intend to reveal more details about himself. Please prove his ability in one way or another. The ability I mean his resources from alibaba or other companies in China.

I noticed some Chinese bitcoin/altcoin media reports, but i didn't find anything about above mentioned info, which makes it very fishy. Why don't they mention all these advantages on Chinese media? cuz questioning from Chinese investors?

Youve got a valid point here. There is a good amount of uncertainty. I'm the type to respect the privacy of my associates. From the discussions we had, their actions and the fact that I will be meeting one of the team members personally in a few weeks quells my superstitions. But hey, you never know where this coin is gonna go. Thats why just take a "wait and see" attitude. By the way, from the discussions I had with these guys, they are not really at all like Tilecoin. Mostly, we talked about mesh networks and seeing if we could get some manufacturers here in Asia to make routers, radio devices or special tethering phones with software on it to create a giant mesh network. If we can really do that, this coin will actually be worth more than money because mesh networks is about freedom. The idea of a mesh network and having no IP addresses is pretty much the liberation of the entire internet and Telcom industry. Not saying we will get that far but if they do well its in the road map.

Thanks David, you are the only reason I stay here and keep asking questions.  no more.
And I have very reliable leads to question this team. This is not only concern of bitbay/bter/tile/blk, but more. many ppl will involved sooner or later. I am not only in tile, but in many coins, including blk. but most of my recent holdings and once before are scams. I can dump them anytime. But i am serious investor anyway, and most survivals in current altcoin world are. My questions are their questions. These guys can revive the market if they still believe in something. if they are pissed off, every coin will turn to a mess.

If the team especially the Chinese member can prove his ability in Mainland China in one way or another, I would love to stop questioning or fudding, whatever they call it.

Well coins are not all scams per se. This was one of my biggest mistakes I made trading. I thought because I was invested and Blackcoin was not a scam, that it would reflect in the price. It will, soon. I'm sure of it. Blackcoin will be top 10 again. And if Bay actually works hard they will also be one of the top. Blackcoin is the best coin in the world hands down. But look at what the manipulation did to it. We need to move away from a market of laziness to one of utility. I'm also a fan of Peercoin and Nubits. I guess there is no reason not to like Bitcoin but they could crash because of the technology limitations. Its a "crash or fork" type deal with Bitcoin. So really these markets reflect penny stocks. The only reason Bitcoin is doing well is because the news media has allowed it to be known. I suspect Bitcoin was actually created by the US. Govt. But I only have circumstantial evidence to that.

When they asked me about features, I recommended they pegged their price to the RMB. So since they could certainly get the connections if they wanted, in my opinion, it would be a bad idea for them to not fulfill their end of the bargain. Pegging to RMB or dollar can give this coin a billion dollar market cap and I will encourage them to take the necessary steps to do so. It would in turn, be great for BC because we would fix our volatility by having a stable hedge.

[Don Flamenco]

When they asked me about features, I recommended they pegged their price to the RMB. So since they could certainly get the connections if they wanted, in my opinion, it would be a bad idea for them to not fulfill their end of the bargain. Pegging to RMB or dollar can give this coin a billion dollar market cap and I will encourage them to take the necessary steps to do so. It would in turn, be great for BC because we would fix our volatility by having a stable hedge.

This is what I'm most excited about this coin for (among several other things).

[dzimbeck]

Yeah, this is a very important concern even for me. And I realize my reputation is on the line when I license my code. Even worse, like you said, I could get blamed because the public is pretty unsympathetic. So how about this post here verifies that and the Bitbay team I think can and should back me up on this to exonerate me from anything if we get left alone during the project cycle.

But lets make this clear to the planet. In Crypto currently, my job is to make software and to make double deposit escrow used worldwide. Not to make coins. My role in Blackcoin was to avoid making a new coin at all costs. But working alone is very difficult and although Blackcoin does come through a lot, its just so much faster if I stop walking away from people who want to pay devs. But as the year went by and I continuously turned down work it got really exhausting and now that I'm considering that my dev cycle would have been faster if I opened up a bit to entertain the investing parties. Its no mystery that I'm tired of coding alone.

They made a deposit so, thats a good start. If they had not made one I would not be talking right now.

You should put this team on a smart contract. (-;

And yeah man totally understand, think last time I talked to you, you were buried in 700k lines worth of code, working utterly alone.

Personally, if the entire ico was to be held by you, I would feel more confident then with a newbie of 16 posts, unable to verify who they are until the completion of the ico.  If its your reputation, should be your bank as well. In the few conversations I've had with you, I'd trust ya with public money, including my own.
Not really sure how this ico is setup, a phantom, thoroughly engrained in china.. really isn't good enough for me personally.

And lol.. you should make new coins!!  just start shill accounts like everyone else does.. haha

I believe tho, your honest posts here should enough to keep the wolves at bay.  woops... no pun intended haha

Well they did make a deposit. So thats a good start.

[arteleis]

What about this?

Transfer complete control of the entire ICO to David, and have smart contracts written for the funding of the various projects and development needed.


I know we are building a trustless, decentralized system, but in this case; and to begin with, there is still a massive amount of human trust needed to launch this project efficiently.  In cryptos, trust is built by successful and field tested developers, which David is.

I believe with the smart contracts in place and the control, being given to the designer of the project; public transparency and trust could be adequately achieved with little to no question on the merit of the project, with superior program efficient control of all funds.

At this point, I can see a troll storm comin... and newbie dev team with a fistful of public money, well, it'll feed the hurricane.

As shallow as it seems, I would not give 5$ to a newbie dev ico.

For Zimbeck, I would consider an adequate investment as he is an extremely respected and long standing member of the crypto community.  He is also is beyond greed and truly has a passion for the completion and implementations of the core of cryptocurrency philosophy.

This could be something huge, but right now it is unfortunately appearing not much more then rest, fancy looking marketing and maybes, without any backbone but the lead dev, who's credibility is completely alone and on the line.

The 'wait and see' investors, will be much smaller then the 'I believe in this investors'.

I want to believe. (-;

I believe in Zimbeck but Bitbay Team, A little more please.  

[arteleis]

Yeah, this is a very important concern even for me. And I realize my reputation is on the line when I license my code. Even worse, like you said, I could get blamed because the public is pretty unsympathetic. So how about this post here verifies that and the Bitbay team I think can and should back me up on this to exonerate me from anything if we get left alone during the project cycle.

But lets make this clear to the planet. In Crypto currently, my job is to make software and to make double deposit escrow used worldwide. Not to make coins. My role in Blackcoin was to avoid making a new coin at all costs. But working alone is very difficult and although Blackcoin does come through a lot, its just so much faster if I stop walking away from people who want to pay devs. But as the year went by and I continuously turned down work it got really exhausting and now that I'm considering that my dev cycle would have been faster if I opened up a bit to entertain the investing parties. Its no mystery that I'm tired of coding alone.

They made a deposit so, thats a good start. If they had not made one I would not be talking right now.

You should put this team on a smart contract. (-;

And yeah man totally understand, think last time I talked to you, you were buried in 700k lines worth of code, working utterly alone.

Personally, if the entire ico was to be held by you, I would feel more confident then with a newbie of 16 posts, unable to verify who they are until the completion of the ico.  If its your reputation, should be your bank as well. In the few conversations I've had with you, I'd trust ya with public money, including my own.
Not really sure how this ico is setup, a phantom, thoroughly engrained in china.. really isn't good enough for me personally.

And lol.. you should make new coins!!  just start shill accounts like everyone else does.. haha

I believe tho, your honest posts here should enough to keep the wolves at bay.  woops... no pun intended haha

Well they did make a deposit. So thats a good start.

Absolutely.  That's more then most would do. (-;

[BitBay Team]

What about this?

Transfer complete control of the entire ICO to David, and have smart contracts written for the funding of the various projects and development needed.


I know we are building a trustless, decentralized system, but in this case; and to begin with, there is still a massive amount of human trust needed to launch this project efficiently.  In cryptos, trust is built by successful and field tested developers, which David is.

I believe with the smart contracts in place and the control, being given to the designer of the project; public transparency and trust could be adequately achieved with little to no question on the merit of the project, with superior program efficient control of all funds.

At this point, I can see a troll storm comin... and newbie dev team with a fistful of public money, well, it'll feed the hurricane.

As shallow as it seems, I would not give 5$ to a newbie dev ico.

For Zimbeck, I would consider an adequate investment as he is an extremely respected and long standing member of the crypto community.  He is also is beyond greed and truly has a passion for the completion and implementations of the core of cryptocurrency philosophy.

This could be something huge, but right now it is unfortunately appearing not much more then rest, fancy looking marketing and maybes, without any backbone but the lead dev, who's credibility is completely alone and on the line.

The 'wait and see' investors, will be much smaller then the 'I believe in this investors'.

I want to believe. (-;

I believe in Zimbeck but Bitbay Team, A little more please.  

We understand your concern. We have a team of VERY talented people. Mr Zimbeck heads up our development side and as such he will have his own account with funds set aside for the purpose of bitbay coin development. We have a marketing side which will have some funds set aside for them as well. The majority of the funds will be held in our new wallet with multi-sig. David will have one of those keys and a voice as to how funds are spent.

It's your prerogative to invest or not. We are not forcing anyone to invest. If you chose to do so that you that on your own volition.

[BitBay Team_DE]

Our german ANN-thread is up:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=854140.new#new

[arteleis]

What about this?

Transfer complete control of the entire ICO to David, and have smart contracts written for the funding of the various projects and development needed.


I know we are building a trustless, decentralized system, but in this case; and to begin with, there is still a massive amount of human trust needed to launch this project efficiently.  In cryptos, trust is built by successful and field tested developers, which David is.

I believe with the smart contracts in place and the control, being given to the designer of the project; public transparency and trust could be adequately achieved with little to no question on the merit of the project, with superior program efficient control of all funds.

At this point, I can see a troll storm comin... and newbie dev team with a fistful of public money, well, it'll feed the hurricane.

As shallow as it seems, I would not give 5$ to a newbie dev ico.

For Zimbeck, I would consider an adequate investment as he is an extremely respected and long standing member of the crypto community.  He is also is beyond greed and truly has a passion for the completion and implementations of the core of cryptocurrency philosophy.

This could be something huge, but right now it is unfortunately appearing not much more then rest, fancy looking marketing and maybes, without any backbone but the lead dev, who's credibility is completely alone and on the line.

The 'wait and see' investors, will be much smaller then the 'I believe in this investors'.

I want to believe. (-;

I believe in Zimbeck but Bitbay Team, A little more please.  

We understand your concern. We have a team of VERY talented people. Mr Zimbeck heads up our development side and as such he will have his own account with funds set aside for the purpose of bitbay coin development. We have a marketing side which will have some funds set aside for them as well. The majority of the funds will be held in our new wallet with multi-sig. David will have one of those keys and a voice as to how funds are spent.

It's your prerogative to invest or not. We are not forcing anyone to invest. If you chose to do so that you that on your own volition.

Awesome thanks for the reply.  Again although vague.  Majority is not good enough, as whoever you are has no risk here. The only risk is the public's and Davids.
I am not speaking on his behalf here in anyway, just know that he is an integral part of cryptos in general, and do not want to see him shoved through the mud, by the assault of trolls that will come if the ICO is completed at anything less then perfection.  Which is the program you are selling in your ICO; trustless perfection.  To use it to mitigate these risks would seem logical.

Of course it is everyone's perogative to invest or not. That is not the issue.  The issue would of course be, the actual implementation of this project into your own marketing strategy, and 'business' structure involving control of the public funds.

If its smart contracts you're selling, (of course among other things) the entire project should be run with them to stand by your project and the developer creating the core of it.  I would believe involving smart contracts, public transparency on all aspects of every contract, would be quite easily produced for public review.  After all it is their/our money.  

Again, as much as i would love to believe your 17th post 'We are a team of VERY talented people', 'well most of the money will have a multisig'; im sorry but it presently has no merit.

There is no plan for this in your brilliant marketing.  (I assume this is what you mean by talented, it is quite good)

Cryptos cannot afford another failed ipo, especially in the dire need to see a project like this succeed.
This is why i am speaking and asking.

Again thank you for your reply.  Just figure you can do better then.. 'well, don't invest if you don't wanna. the lead dev has a say in most of it..'
 His ass. Should be his show.

 The entire project should be laid out in smart contracts based on this premise.


edit: 14th post

[illodin]

^ very good post.

I have full trust in David, but the rest of the bunch is almost as if they're trying their best to seem like a scam.