GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io ION ionomy. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :)

[owlcatz]

I know forums are not always the best place for info but I know a lot of you have more knowledge in this area. Where do you go to file a complaint against Paybase holding your funds? In my limited area of knowledge with this kind of thing since Paybase has filled for a MSB license (I think MSB is right acronym) they fall under the same rules as banks and I know they fall under the CFTC. Some have told me they are not able to hold your coins without a court order. (Not sure if true) So I am considering filing a complaint with the CFTC. I am not sure if the best place or if I should file with other agencies. Currently they are holding my BTC and XPY in Paybase. Normally I do not keep anything there. But I moved BTC to buy XPY cheap and then bam they shut the site down and locked my account.

Looks like these guys are in for some heavy duty trouble if they are really skirting the msb requirements. ouch.

http://www.fincen.gov/news_room/ea/ea.msb.html

scroll down and read:

Civil and Criminal Penalties for Operating an Unregistered Money Transmitting Business


Edit - finally found this buried on their site as well - http://www.fincen.gov/help4victims.html

[suchmoon]

I know forums are not always the best place for info but I know a lot of you have more knowledge in this area. Where do you go to file a complaint against Paybase holding your funds? In my limited area of knowledge with this kind of thing since Paybase has filled for a MSB license (I think MSB is right acronym) they fall under the same rules as banks and I know they fall under the CFTC. Some have told me they are not able to hold your coins without a court order. (Not sure if true) So I am considering filing a complaint with the CFTC. I am not sure if the best place or if I should file with other agencies. Currently they are holding my BTC and XPY in Paybase. Normally I do not keep anything there. But I moved BTC to buy XPY cheap and then bam they shut the site down and locked my account.

CFPB (love those useless acronyms) is the most user-friendly agency AFAIK. They have banks on a fairly short leash when it comes to consumer rights. Obviously Paybase is not a bank, but I hope they will direct your complaint to the proper authorities if they can't deal with it directly - worth a try:

http://www.consumerfinance.gov/complaint/

Edit: I was looking at the link owlcatz provided above - ic3.gov is listed there - try it. They are kind of toothless in most cases, but occasionally they are able to light a fire under someone's ass.

[tom14cat14]

Thank you.

[KC6TTR]

I know forums are not always the best place for info but I know a lot of you have more knowledge in this area. Where do you go to file a complaint against Paybase holding your funds? In my limited area of knowledge with this kind of thing since Paybase has filled for a MSB license (I think MSB is right acronym) they fall under the same rules as banks and I know they fall under the CFTC. Some have told me they are not able to hold your coins without a court order. (Not sure if true) So I am considering filing a complaint with the CFTC. I am not sure if the best place or if I should file with other agencies. Currently they are holding my BTC and XPY in Paybase. Normally I do not keep anything there. But I moved BTC to buy XPY cheap and then bam they shut the site down and locked my account.

My contacts in Washington D.C. are requesting those who have a complaint to file, do it here:

http://www.consumerfinance.gov/complaint/#money-transfer

[KC6TTR]

CFPB (love those useless acronyms) is the most user-friendly agency AFAIK. They have banks on a fairly short leash when it comes to consumer rights. Obviously Paybase is not a bank, but I hope they will direct your complaint to the proper authorities if they can't deal with it directly - worth a try:

http://www.consumerfinance.gov/complaint/

Edit: I was looking at the link owlcatz provided above - ic3.gov is listed there - try it. They are kind of toothless in most cases, but occasionally they are able to light a fire under someone's ass.

You beat me to it... thanks.

Scott
 

[Paul Revere]

I was going to make a comment about all of the uproar on HT about people being locked out of their accounts and suddenly they are offline again. Odd how whenever people start demanding answers the forum just coincidentally goes down.

[KC6TTR]

Just another day in the life of a short-lived/dying crypto...

Scott-

[NeonTranceBadger]

Just another day in the life of a short-lived/dying crypto...

Scott-

Thing of beauty.  At this point I don't know what Josh could announce to bring the price back up. 

[suchmoon]

Thing of beauty.  At this point I don't know what Josh could announce to bring the price back up. 

Early retirement. Although that could be interpreted in different ways depending on where to.

[NeonTranceBadger]

Bots are back on XPY.

[ab8989]

Those who feel they have had their FIAT and/or cryptocurrency misappropriated by Mr. Josh Garza, GAW Miners, Inc., or any of his subsidiaries/DBA’s including but not limited to GAW Corp., Zenminers, Geniuses at Work, PayCoin and/or PayBase have options. Please contact the one and only attorney on file for Mr. Garza and his business entities, Brian Klein (below), explain your situation and the loss you have incurred to date with no expressed or implied resolution from those acting as Mr. Garza’s “support team”. If you wish, you can also demand a response to the communication within a certain period of time ranging from 3-5 business days before considering your next legal option to seek relief from the damage(s) you have incurred.

What is this? Is today something like a national bad advice day or something?

In no circumstance should anybody just call your opponents lawyer even if the advice is given in a bullshit legalese shape in order to make it sound like it has some merit.

If you want to start any action in legal front you first hire a lawyer of your own and then let YOUR OWN lawyer decide what to do and how. Anybody who without legal assistance calls the opponents lawyer to make some demands or anything is so underdog it is not even funny and taken for a ride for sure unless you happen to screw yourself first in the process. The first advice YOUR OWN layer is going to give to you is to totally stop talking to anybody about the situation and let him handle everything so you cannot screw something without understanding what you are doing for example giving ammunition to the other side.

I know there is no shortage for bad advice available in this paybase/paycoin farce a couple more is par for the course.

[owlcatz]

Those who feel they have had their FIAT and/or cryptocurrency misappropriated by Mr. Josh Garza, GAW Miners, Inc., or any of his subsidiaries/DBA’s including but not limited to GAW Corp., Zenminers, Geniuses at Work, PayCoin and/or PayBase have options. Please contact the one and only attorney on file for Mr. Garza and his business entities, Brian Klein (below), explain your situation and the loss you have incurred to date with no expressed or implied resolution from those acting as Mr. Garza’s “support team”. If you wish, you can also demand a response to the communication within a certain period of time ranging from 3-5 business days before considering your next legal option to seek relief from the damage(s) you have incurred.

What is this? Is today something like a national bad advice day or something?

In no circumstance should anybody just call your opponents lawyer even if the advice is given in a bullshit legalese shape in order to make it sound like it has some merit.

If you want to start any action in legal front you first hire a lawyer of your own and then let YOUR OWN lawyer decide what to do and how. Anybody who without legal assistance calls the opponents lawyer to make some demands or anything is so underdog it is not even funny and taken for a ride for sure unless you happen to screw yourself first in the process. The first advice YOUR OWN layer is going to give to you is to totally stop talking to anybody about the situation and let him handle everything so you cannot screw something without understanding how you are going to screw yourself like giving ammunition to the oppisition.

I know there is no shortage for bad advice available in this paybase/paycoin farce so one more fits in like a glove.

I have to agree. IANAL, but I am the son of one. Attorney's in the USA do not talk with random whiny people who lost money due to their client(s) actions or whatnot - Absolutely, get your own lawyer first, then go from there, and hope you have a lot of $ to lose/spend on recouping your loss if it's even possible. another gamble imo...

[CoinFire]

https://coinfire.cf/2015/01/19/sec-investigation-of-gaw-miners-underway/

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[DiCE1904]

https://coinfire.cf/2015/01/19/sec-investigation-of-gaw-miners-underway/

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FUCK YA good job coinfire

[WaffleMaster]

https://coinfire.cf/2015/01/19/sec-investigation-of-gaw-miners-underway/

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I'm giggling like a school girl right now. So excited to read this.
EDIT: This shit is so fucking deserved.

[owlcatz]

https://coinfire.cf/2015/01/19/sec-investigation-of-gaw-miners-underway/

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FUCK YA good job coinfire

Edit - whos' got a burner account on hashtalk to inform the lemmings? Not i - i can't even register, just error messages lol.

[vabchgent]

https://coinfire.cf/2015/01/19/sec-investigation-of-gaw-miners-underway/

Please note, if you haven't submitted information yet and are on the fence... now is the time to do it.

FUCK YA good job coinfire

Edit - whos' got a burner account on hashtalk to inform the lemmings? Not i - i can't even register, just error messages lol.

The message is getting there.

[coinits]

https://coinfire.cf/2015/01/19/sec-investigation-of-gaw-miners-underway/

Please note, if you haven't submitted information yet and are on the fence... now is the time to do it.

FUCK YA good job coinfire

The walls are closing in and the noose is tightening. The Gawtards will say that the 'trolls' caused this and go down blindly with their dear leader thinking that all will be good some day.

This is going to end bad for Homero. I really feel for his wife and kids. They will be caught in the crossfire. There is a good chance that all of his personal assets will be confiscated under proceeds of crime. His own escape is to flee to some country that does not have an extradition treaty with the US.

Yeah his life is pretty much fucked!

[coinits]

Edit - whos' got a burner account on hashtalk to inform the lemmings? Not i - i can't even register, just error messages lol.

They are reading this OP as fast as comments are posted. Don't worry. Those that should know already do. Homero appears to have a Gawd complex. Maybe he can plead insanity and spend a few months in the puzzle factory.

[corygto]

Man they are handing out bans like hotcakes recently...

https://hashtalk.org/topic/29686/hmmm-i-have-no-idea-what-is-going-on-here/3