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[coinits]

Who is Saul?

https://i.imgur.com/s4Jcmr2.jpg

Saul Backal, Meganet of course. Is that the form from the website? That Processor muppet denied knowing anything about Saul.

Yes it is from the site. I was hoping to extract more from the doc but it is what it is.

[suchmoon]

Who is Saul?

https://i.imgur.com/s4Jcmr2.jpg

Saul Backal, Meganet of course. Is that the form from the website? That Processor muppet denied knowing anything about Saul.

Yes it is from the site. I was hoping to extract more from the doc but it is what it is.

What a sleazeball. Here's what Processor posted on GH:

So how did your website's address turn up in Saul's e-mail two months ago?

Processor
3h
there's 20 of us that were the original group and we have spread the word confidentially. I don't know this person but maybe someone else in the group did. there were enough people aware of it before, but it only went live today. prior to that it was only a non functional place holder website

https://forum.gethashing.com/t/watchlist-gawminers-paybase-zencloud/67/9563

[coinits]

Who is Saul?

https://i.imgur.com/s4Jcmr2.jpg

Saul Backal, Meganet of course. Is that the form from the website? That Processor muppet denied knowing anything about Saul.

Yes it is from the site. I was hoping to extract more from the doc but it is what it is.

What a sleazeball. Here's what Processor posted on GH:

So how did your website's address turn up in Saul's e-mail two months ago?

Processor
3h
there's 20 of us that were the original group and we have spread the word confidentially. I don't know this person but maybe someone else in the group did. there were enough people aware of it before, but it only went live today. prior to that it was only a non functional place holder website

https://forum.gethashing.com/t/watchlist-gawminers-paybase-zencloud/67/9563

Post it there and ask. I do not have an account nor want one there.

[suchmoon]

Who is Saul?

https://i.imgur.com/s4Jcmr2.jpg

Saul Backal, Meganet of course. Is that the form from the website? That Processor muppet denied knowing anything about Saul.

Yes it is from the site. I was hoping to extract more from the doc but it is what it is.

What a sleazeball. Here's what Processor posted on GH:

So how did your website's address turn up in Saul's e-mail two months ago?

Processor
3h
there's 20 of us that were the original group and we have spread the word confidentially. I don't know this person but maybe someone else in the group did. there were enough people aware of it before, but it only went live today. prior to that it was only a non functional place holder website

https://forum.gethashing.com/t/watchlist-gawminers-paybase-zencloud/67/9563

Post it there and ask. I do not have an account nor want one there.

I did. But he had already said his goodbyes earlier because he wasn't received as warmly as he expected, so I don't think there will be a response.

Not quite sure what he is trying to do with that website and why he's trying to hide his identity.

[eightcylinders]

Quite possibly the funniest thing about all of this is that Josh honestly doesn't understand the severity of the crimes he has committed. He seems to think this is just a terminology issue or PR or marketing or something. Homero just doesn't realize how fucked he really is.

Then again, what do you expect from a high school dropout whose only skill is social engineering? 

Oh he fucking understands. He is not going to be be able to plead stupid. He has been caught committing fraud and being told he was not doing thing legally. The stupid defense will not save this fucktard.

I tihnk you are both wrong.  From reading his emails, I would bet you 10-1 odds he will proclaim his innocence and lay the blame on others (Joe, Eric, the accountant whose name I keep forgetting, Jonah, Adam from the Church, hell maybe even Jessica, etc.).  He has already laid the groundwork in the emails if you read carefully between the lines.  He will say that he told Joe or Eric to spec out the data center large enough to support all the hashpower needed; he will say that he was shocked when he discovered that some hash power was "virtual" and that was why he initiated the 5 Phs order with Bitmain; former employees were robbing him, taking out BTC for phony cash advances; Stuart will have lied to him about Cantor's valuation and support for the coin; etc etc.

If any of you think that convicting Garza will be easy, think again.  There are some smoking gun emails, but nothing that he can't explain away and/or blame on others.  Of course, the feds have access to stuff we don't so they may be able to trace BTC to wallets controlled by Garza or have other evidence that is damning .. but from what I have seen a conviction (beyond a reasonable doubt) is not a certainty yet.. and the credibility of testimony from his former employees and cohorts will be critical.

[coinits]

Quite possibly the funniest thing about all of this is that Josh honestly doesn't understand the severity of the crimes he has committed. He seems to think this is just a terminology issue or PR or marketing or something. Homero just doesn't realize how fucked he really is.

Then again, what do you expect from a high school dropout whose only skill is social engineering? 

Oh he fucking understands. He is not going to be be able to plead stupid. He has been caught committing fraud and being told he was not doing thing legally. The stupid defense will not save this fucktard.

I tihnk you are both wrong.  From reading his emails, I would bet you 10-1 odds he will proclaim his innocence and lay the blame on others (Joe, Eric, the accountant whose name I keep forgetting, Jonah, Adam from the Church, hell maybe even Jessica, etc.).  He has already laid the groundwork in the emails if you read carefully between the lines.  He will say that he told Joe or Eric to spec out the data center large enough to support all the hashpower needed; he will say that he was shocked when he discovered that some hash power was "virtual" and that was why he initiated the 5 Phs order with Bitmain; former employees were robbing him, taking out BTC for phony cash advances; Stuart will have lied to him about Cantor's valuation and support for the coin; etc etc.

If any of you think that convicting Garza will be easy, think again.  There are some smoking gun emails, but nothing that he can't explain away and/or blame on others.  Of course, the feds have access to stuff we don't so they may be able to trace BTC to wallets controlled by Garza or have other evidence that is damning .. but from what I have seen a conviction (beyond a reasonable doubt) is not a certainty yet.. and the credibility of testimony from his former employees and cohorts will be critical.

Going ahead with accepting money from foreigners on a watch list, against the advice of his inner scumbags, is enough to put him behind bars for a long long time. If they make that stick he is done like fucking dinner and no level of pleading stupid will help him. DONE. STICK A FORK IN IT!

[miaviator]

Quite possibly the funniest thing about all of this is that Josh honestly doesn't understand the severity of the crimes he has committed. He seems to think this is just a terminology issue or PR or marketing or something. Homero just doesn't realize how fucked he really is.

Then again, what do you expect from a high school dropout whose only skill is social engineering? 

Oh he fucking understands. He is not going to be be able to plead stupid. He has been caught committing fraud and being told he was not doing thing legally. The stupid defense will not save this fucktard.

I tihnk you are both wrong.  From reading his emails, I would bet you 10-1 odds he will proclaim his innocence and lay the blame on others (Joe, Eric, the accountant whose name I keep forgetting, Jonah, Adam from the Church, hell maybe even Jessica, etc.).  He has already laid the groundwork in the emails if you read carefully between the lines.  He will say that he told Joe or Eric to spec out the data center large enough to support all the hashpower needed; he will say that he was shocked when he discovered that some hash power was "virtual" and that was why he initiated the 5 Phs order with Bitmain; former employees were robbing him, taking out BTC for phony cash advances; Stuart will have lied to him about Cantor's valuation and support for the coin; etc etc.

If any of you think that convicting Garza will be easy, think again.  There are some smoking gun emails, but nothing that he can't explain away and/or blame on others.  Of course, the feds have access to stuff we don't so they may be able to trace BTC to wallets controlled by Garza or have other evidence that is damning .. but from what I have seen a conviction (beyond a reasonable doubt) is not a certainty yet.. and the credibility of testimony from his former employees and cohorts will be critical.

[holdembot]

Quite possibly the funniest thing about all of this is that Josh honestly doesn't understand the severity of the crimes he has committed. He seems to think this is just a terminology issue or PR or marketing or something. Homero just doesn't realize how fucked he really is.

Then again, what do you expect from a high school dropout whose only skill is social engineering? 

Oh he fucking understands. He is not going to be be able to plead stupid. He has been caught committing fraud and being told he was not doing thing legally. The stupid defense will not save this fucktard.

I tihnk you are both wrong.  From reading his emails, I would bet you 10-1 odds he will proclaim his innocence and lay the blame on others (Joe, Eric, the accountant whose name I keep forgetting, Jonah, Adam from the Church, hell maybe even Jessica, etc.).  He has already laid the groundwork in the emails if you read carefully between the lines.  He will say that he told Joe or Eric to spec out the data center large enough to support all the hashpower needed; he will say that he was shocked when he discovered that some hash power was "virtual" and that was why he initiated the 5 Phs order with Bitmain; former employees were robbing him, taking out BTC for phony cash advances; Stuart will have lied to him about Cantor's valuation and support for the coin; etc etc.

If any of you think that convicting Garza will be easy, think again.  There are some smoking gun emails, but nothing that he can't explain away and/or blame on others.  Of course, the feds have access to stuff we don't so they may be able to trace BTC to wallets controlled by Garza or have other evidence that is damning .. but from what I have seen a conviction (beyond a reasonable doubt) is not a certainty yet.. and the credibility of testimony from his former employees and cohorts will be critical.

You forget that everyone can roll on Josh, the many outweight the few(in this case just Josh)

He is fucked.

[eightcylinders]

You forget that everyone can roll on Josh, the many outweight the few(in this case just Josh)

He is fucked.

Hope you are right.  A civil case, I would agree. Criminal he just needs to create reasonable doubt.  Many of the witnesses against him could be biased; the former lover accountant; fired former employees; Jessica who is mad about the accountant affair; Adam who may have invested church funds in the scheme; some employees appear to have taken BTC payments to evade taxes; etc. So many unclean hands.  Is there anyone associated with this who is clean?  Maybe Jonah, IDK.  I am just saying, conviction on "he said, she said" is hard when everyone has an axe to grind.  Evidence is king.

[miaviator]

You forget that everyone can roll on Josh, the many outweight the few(in this case just Josh)

He is fucked.

Hope you are right.  A civil case, I would agree. Criminal he just needs to create reasonable doubt.  Many of the witnesses against him could be biased; the former lover accountant; fired former employees; Jessica who is mad about the accountant affair; Adam who may have invested church funds in the scheme; some employees appear to have taken BTC payments to evade taxes; etc. So many unclean hands.  Is there anyone associated with this who is clean?  Maybe Jonah, IDK.  I am just saying, conviction on "he said, she said" is hard when everyone has an axe to grind.  Evidence is king.

some employees appear to have taken BTC payments to evade taxes;

They were not happy when I had them all 1099'd for BTC payments.  They should have all been 1099'd though.

[Mr Felt]

Quite possibly the funniest thing about all of this is that Josh honestly doesn't understand the severity of the crimes he has committed. He seems to think this is just a terminology issue or PR or marketing or something. Homero just doesn't realize how fucked he really is.

Then again, what do you expect from a high school dropout whose only skill is social engineering? 

Oh he fucking understands. He is not going to be be able to plead stupid. He has been caught committing fraud and being told he was not doing thing legally. The stupid defense will not save this fucktard.

I tihnk you are both wrong.  From reading his emails, I would bet you 10-1 odds he will proclaim his innocence and lay the blame on others (Joe, Eric, the accountant whose name I keep forgetting, Jonah, Adam from the Church, hell maybe even Jessica, etc.).  He has already laid the groundwork in the emails if you read carefully between the lines.  He will say that he told Joe or Eric to spec out the data center large enough to support all the hashpower needed; he will say that he was shocked when he discovered that some hash power was "virtual" and that was why he initiated the 5 Phs order with Bitmain; former employees were robbing him, taking out BTC for phony cash advances; Stuart will have lied to him about Cantor's valuation and support for the coin; etc etc.

If any of you think that convicting Garza will be easy, think again.  There are some smoking gun emails, but nothing that he can't explain away and/or blame on others.  Of course, the feds have access to stuff we don't so they may be able to trace BTC to wallets controlled by Garza or have other evidence that is damning .. but from what I have seen a conviction (beyond a reasonable doubt) is not a certainty yet.. and the credibility of testimony from his former employees and cohorts will be critical.

Exactly! There are many, many, many boxes that must be checked to win a case against GAW.  Rules of Evidence, Rules of Civil Pro, etc. will are great little tools for excluding evidence or otherwise deploying obstacles designed to make proving a case extremely difficult. 

[rest of post is general rant, not in response to eightcylinders]

Frankly, I'm not convinced GAW is more than a petty wannabe scammy business run by a wannabe high finance guy without any education and experience when it comes finance, economics, and business generally (I have a hunch Stu made JG a project following 9/11 or otherwise feels guilty or obligated about something).  Consequently, I'm not sure that the feds will waste a ton of time on time on GAW beyond sending out a few subpoenas.  I recommend that people go take a look at the SEC litigation releases, alj orders, FBI/DOJ press releases, etc.; its quite clear that such agencies will sit and investigate/monitor folks -including the worst of the worst - for years before making an arrest or commencing some sort of formal action. So, I don't think anything criminal or administrative is imminent whatsoever. 

Final note: One problem with crypto-communities is free-riding and people being too afraid, shy, cheap, or ignorant to get off the computer and go talk with a professional or law enforcement officer face-to-face.  People must be their own best advocates, which is not something that's done by most of the kids here.  IRL is not google hangouts, reddit, bct, hashtalk, etc - and Garza knows that (although he's his own worst enemy in that regard). So, if you're going to go after him - get more clandestine, get off the computer, and do not advertise what you're up to - just do it.

[miaviator]

Final note: One problem with crypto-communities is free-riding and people being too afraid, shy, cheap, or ignorant to get off the computer and go talk with a professional or law enforcement officer face-to-face.  People must be their own best advocates, which is not something that's done by most of the kids here.  IRL is not google hangouts, reddit, bct, hashtalk, etc - and Garza knows that (although he's his own worst enemy in that regard). So, if you're going to go after him - get more clandestine, get off the computer, and do not advertise what you're up to - just do it.

This isn't the 80's.  The alphabet soup does not require leaving the comfort of your computer.

https://www.sec.gov/about/offices/owb/owb-tips.shtml

https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/Information#crnt&panel1-1

https://tips.fbi.gov/

http://www.cftc.gov/ConsumerProtection/RedressReparations/index.htm

https://www.bbb.org/consumer-complaints/file-a-complaint/get-started

https://www.ice.gov/tipline

http://www.irs.gov/Individuals/How-Do-You-Report-Suspected-Tax-Fraud-Activity%3F

[Mr Felt]

Final note: One problem with crypto-communities is free-riding and people being too afraid, shy, cheap, or ignorant to get off the computer and go talk with a professional or law enforcement officer face-to-face.  People must be their own best advocates, which is not something that's done by most of the kids here.  IRL is not google hangouts, reddit, bct, hashtalk, etc - and Garza knows that (although he's his own worst enemy in that regard). So, if you're going to go after him - get more clandestine, get off the computer, and do not advertise what you're up to - just do it.

This isn't the 80's.  The alphabet soup does not require leaving the comfort of your computer.

https://www.sec.gov/about/offices/owb/owb-tips.shtml

https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/Information#crnt&panel1-1

https://tips.fbi.gov/

http://www.cftc.gov/ConsumerProtection/RedressReparations/index.htm

https://www.bbb.org/consumer-complaints/file-a-complaint/get-started

https://www.ice.gov/tipline

http://www.irs.gov/Individuals/How-Do-You-Report-Suspected-Tax-Fraud-Activity%3F

Obviously you can report crimes online, lol.  Didn't you also get scammed by Hashfast?  I'm seeing a trend.

[Garzad]

So is it safe to say that at some point you have decided that your NDA with Josh is unenforceable or you just don't give a shit about it anymore? You, Eric and Joe are suddenly a lot less quiet the last 48 hours.

Nothing I have posted or stated was known to me or learned during my course of alleged employment anything that was is only repeated based on information I obtained from public sources.

Garza Grammar will not save you....

[miaviator]

So is it safe to say that at some point you have decided that your NDA with Josh is unenforceable or you just don't give a shit about it anymore? You, Eric and Joe are suddenly a lot less quiet the last 48 hours.

Nothing I have posted or stated was known to me or learned during my course of alleged employment anything that was is only repeated based on information I obtained from public sources.

Garza Grammar will not save you....

What about a sword that glows blue?

[coinits]

So is it safe to say that at some point you have decided that your NDA with Josh is unenforceable or you just don't give a shit about it anymore? You, Eric and Joe are suddenly a lot less quiet the last 48 hours.

Nothing I have posted or stated was known to me or learned during my course of alleged employment anything that was is only repeated based on information I obtained from public sources.

Garza Grammar will not save you....

What about a sword that glows blue?

[miaviator]

So is it safe to say that at some point you have decided that your NDA with Josh is unenforceable or you just don't give a shit about it anymore? You, Eric and Joe are suddenly a lot less quiet the last 48 hours.

Nothing I have posted or stated was known to me or learned during my course of alleged employment anything that was is only repeated based on information I obtained from public sources.

Garza Grammar will not save you....

What about a sword that glows blue?

http://www.narniaweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/068.jpg

[coinits]

old school

[vancefox]

One more question, Joe... if you're up for it...

I gave weekly reports of how much BTC the facility earned per day and gave daily/weekly reports on the total zencloud payouts.

If you gave weekly reports on how much BTC that facility earned then you had to of known that there was not 4.5PHs of mining equipment there...

How much mining equipment was really there and was it actually bitmain's S4 units or something less energy efficient?

I didn't see any answer from Joe on this question.  Did I miss it or something?

Still no answer?  And I really thought you would, Joe... Almost as much as I think Garza will answer these questions...

[Paul Revere]

The Sword of a Thousand Truths might be most appropriate.