GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io ION ionomy. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :)

[hazenyc]

I am surprised no one is talking about how they just handed out millions of coins and the market had an initial sell and now has been slowly rising. I am very mixed on this coin. But I ask all of you here what happens if they pull this off? Maybe it will not look exactly what you thought it would but what if they do put up a $20 buy on paybase even though it will be limited amounts but what if they actually do this? What happens if they end up having all the right documents and licenses? You guys have been very viscous towards GAW. So what happens if you are wrong? Will you guys apologize to GAW, Josh, and customers that believe in GAW? The reason I say will you apologize is because the things you say on here is 10 times worse than what they say about non-believers.

What is in it for GAW as a profit-maximizing firm to offer to buy something back for more than market? Why not make it a $100 buyback? Why not $500?

[tom14cat14]

What if a winning lotto ticket falls off of a passenger pigeon's wing and falls into my hand?

The thing is they are doing what they said they would. (In regards to paycoin) Yes some have been rocky or late but they still have been doing what they said.

[tom14cat14]

I am surprised no one is talking about how they just handed out millions of coins and the market had an initial sell and now has been slowly rising. I am very mixed on this coin. But I ask all of you here what happens if they pull this off? Maybe it will not look exactly what you thought it would but what if they do put up a $20 buy on paybase even though it will be limited amounts but what if they actually do this? What happens if they end up having all the right documents and licenses? You guys have been very viscous towards GAW. So what happens if you are wrong? Will you guys apologize to GAW, Josh, and customers that believe in GAW? The reason I say will you apologize is because the things you say on here is 10 times worse than what they say about non-believers.

What is in it for GAW as a profit-maximizing firm to offer to buy something back for more than market? Why not make it a $100 buyback? Why not $500?

Well they are just doing what they said. They want it to be stable and if they have enough money it will make it stable at $20.

[tom14cat14]

I am surprised no one is talking about how they just handed out millions of coins and the market had an initial sell and now has been slowly rising. I am very mixed on this coin.

Why sell them for cheap when they can get 3x their money supposedly? That's the whole point. The point isn't to sell them on an exchange for $6~. The point is to sell them for $20 which is now heavily restricted. Nothing has changed, people are waiting to sell them into GAW, duh.

I know what a lot of people are doing. But they way it sounds over here you would think this thing would be lucky to be $0.10 per coin.

[hazenyc]

I am surprised no one is talking about how they just handed out millions of coins and the market had an initial sell and now has been slowly rising. I am very mixed on this coin. But I ask all of you here what happens if they pull this off? Maybe it will not look exactly what you thought it would but what if they do put up a $20 buy on paybase even though it will be limited amounts but what if they actually do this? What happens if they end up having all the right documents and licenses? You guys have been very viscous towards GAW. So what happens if you are wrong? Will you guys apologize to GAW, Josh, and customers that believe in GAW? The reason I say will you apologize is because the things you say on here is 10 times worse than what they say about non-believers.

What is in it for GAW as a profit-maximizing firm to offer to buy something back for more than market? Why not make it a $100 buyback? Why not $500?

Well they are just doing what they said. They want it to be stable and if they have enough money it will make it stable at $20.

explain? how this any different than a failing company trying to prop up its own stock price by buying back shares in the open market?

Viable companies buy back shares because they believe they are undervalued.
Why is XPY undervalued at $20? It is unclear.
What drives the future value of XPY? Proof-of-stake isn't a value driver , so it's not that. POW *IS* a value driver but that's gone by tomorrow.
So what exactly confers value?

Now don't try to flip this and say well, what confers value to fiat. Governments demand taxes to be paid to them in fiat and since you can redeem your tax debt in fiat it has value. Plain and simple. Also because you can cancel financial debts with fiat it is valuable.
Being a transaction token has no value in and of itself.
So. Where is the value?

[WaffleMaster]

What if a winning lotto ticket falls off of a passenger pigeon's wing and falls into my hand?

The thing is they are doing what they said they would. (In regards to paycoin) Yes some have been rocky or late but they still have been doing what they said.

Tom don't turn shill on us now. They haven't done anything yet. What we say is fact, we're not speculating into the future. Their PaySave violates retailer's terms of service, so it's likely it will get shut down in a major way just like ZincSave. They have no registration number for MSB. The coin is trading at $6 in free market. Their verification is overstepping A LOT, even compared to other MSB companies.

[Paul Revere]

I am surprised no one is talking about how they just handed out millions of coins and the market had an initial sell and now has been slowly rising. I am very mixed on this coin. But I ask all of you here what happens if they pull this off? Maybe it will not look exactly what you thought it would but what if they do put up a $20 buy on paybase even though it will be limited amounts but what if they actually do this? What happens if they end up having all the right documents and licenses? You guys have been very viscous towards GAW. So what happens if you are wrong? Will you guys apologize to GAW, Josh, and customers that believe in GAW? The reason I say will you apologize is because the things you say on here is 10 times worse than what they say about non-believers.

What is in it for GAW as a profit-maximizing firm to offer to buy something back for more than market? Why not make it a $100 buyback? Why not $500?

One scenario that might make sense is if there are actually no investors at all and all of the pre-mined coins are in accounts belonging to those running this scam. They buy back some coins @ $20 as a loss leader and then dump the "investors" coins into a market propped up by this hype. Then close the buyback because of *insert excuse here* and sit back and laugh. A week later, do the same thing again. Wash,Rinse, Spin, Repeat, until the "investors" stash of coins has been turned into as much actual cash/BTC as possible.

[suchmoon]

Here is another conspiracy theory:

Since there is a fairly widespread suspicion that the majority of the pre-mine belongs to GAW - no credible proof of large investors, and the 2.9 billion HP conversion seems to be overstated - could it be that they are slowly offloading the coins on Cryptsy and building the floor that way? Sell 4 XPY at $5, to be able to buy 1 XPY at $20. Or think of it this way - why would they need those large Round 1 investors at $1-$2 per coin, if they can now sell those coins at $5.

The weekly limits should reduce arbitrage possibility, and after 3-4 weeks they could end this with some excuse, while still maintaining a very happy and vocal group of customers, much like in those Prime ROI stories. Since we don't know any numbers - how many hashpoints, how many customers, how many stakers, etc - we would never be able to tell how many of those coins were, are, or will remain in GAW's possession.

The obvious flaw with this plan is that there needs to be a demand for a few million USD worth of XPY and of course some (many?) buyers would get screwed in the end.

Yeah, you can probably tell it's Friday. Need to get out of here.

[pd62512005]

I am surprised no one is talking about how they just handed out millions of coins and the market had an initial sell and now has been slowly rising. I am very mixed on this coin. But I ask all of you here what happens if they pull this off? Maybe it will not look exactly what you thought it would but what if they do put up a $20 buy on paybase even though it will be limited amounts but what if they actually do this? What happens if they end up having all the right documents and licenses? You guys have been very viscous towards GAW. So what happens if you are wrong? Will you guys apologize to GAW, Josh, and customers that believe in GAW? The reason I say will you apologize is because the things you say on here is 10 times worse than what they say about non-believers.

What is in it for GAW as a profit-maximizing firm to offer to buy something back for more than market? Why not make it a $100 buyback? Why not $500?

why not a chicken salad sandwich (makes as much sense). They have a business model and are working with it?!??

why don't you start your coin and offer it for a $100?

what if a pigeon blah blah blah... That's some sort of answer to a real question?? I never heard more bickering ol ladies in my life!

truth of the matter is he's following the regulatory guidelines you guys were complaining he was breaking 2 days ago! Look at all tiered access levels as defined in the publications concerning "MSB" on the fincen site

[tom14cat14]

What if a winning lotto ticket falls off of a passenger pigeon's wing and falls into my hand?

The thing is they are doing what they said they would. (In regards to paycoin) Yes some have been rocky or late but they still have been doing what they said.

Tom don't turn shill on us now. They haven't done anything yet. What we say is fact, we're not speculating into the future. Their PaySave violates retailer's terms of service, so it's likely it will get shut down in a major way just like ZincSave. They have no registration number for MSB. The coin is trading at $6 in free market. Their verification is overstepping A LOT, even compared to other MSB companies.

I dont plan on turning to a shill and I dont mean to come across as one. However I also do not want to people to just hate because they hate GAW. There are a few that use nothing more than name calling to put GAW down. I am not a fan of it. GAW has things that I would like answered. Such as the MSB I posted a comment in the thread saying it should be posted because it is not reasonable to have all their customers have to call to see if they indeed did file. If they are not properly licensed than we already know what most likely will come out Mon is sorry for the delay but we do not have the appropriate documents to allow you to sell on paybase. But if they have it all in hand right now and it has just not been updated online than things can move on as planned.

[suchmoon]

I am surprised no one is talking about how they just handed out millions of coins and the market had an initial sell and now has been slowly rising. I am very mixed on this coin. But I ask all of you here what happens if they pull this off? Maybe it will not look exactly what you thought it would but what if they do put up a $20 buy on paybase even though it will be limited amounts but what if they actually do this? What happens if they end up having all the right documents and licenses? You guys have been very viscous towards GAW. So what happens if you are wrong? Will you guys apologize to GAW, Josh, and customers that believe in GAW? The reason I say will you apologize is because the things you say on here is 10 times worse than what they say about non-believers.

I could argue about the "10 times worse" but then there is dekay... so whatever.

If you can set a more precise deadline and criteria, e.g. XPY is still worth $20+ and has returned 180%+ after 6 months of staking, or something like that (ensuring also that it's not a small minority of lucky customers profiting from this), then I think I can sign up for an apology. I have no problem admitting I'm wrong, but I do have a problem with moving goalposts, so let's make that part clear.

[tom14cat14]

I am surprised no one is talking about how they just handed out millions of coins and the market had an initial sell and now has been slowly rising. I am very mixed on this coin. But I ask all of you here what happens if they pull this off? Maybe it will not look exactly what you thought it would but what if they do put up a $20 buy on paybase even though it will be limited amounts but what if they actually do this? What happens if they end up having all the right documents and licenses? You guys have been very viscous towards GAW. So what happens if you are wrong? Will you guys apologize to GAW, Josh, and customers that believe in GAW? The reason I say will you apologize is because the things you say on here is 10 times worse than what they say about non-believers.

What is in it for GAW as a profit-maximizing firm to offer to buy something back for more than market? Why not make it a $100 buyback? Why not $500?

One scenario that might make sense is if there are actually no investors at all and all of the pre-mined coins are in accounts belonging to those running this scam. They buy back some coins @ $20 as a loss leader and then dump the "investors" coins into a market propped up by this hype. Then close the buyback because of *insert excuse here* and sit back and laugh. A week later, do the same thing again. Wash,Rinse, Spin, Repeat, until the "investors" stash of coins has been turned into as much actual cash/BTC as possible.

Yes there is risk that they are playing games behind the scene. If I were Josh I would be buying these coins right now because it would be less coins they would have to potentially buy back.

[Paul Revere]

Incredible claims require incredible proof. GAWs claims are incredible and the proof offered thus far for GAWs claims consists of fairy dust, provable lies and Unicorn poop. It is my right and even duty to be skeptical, especially when I am considering spending my family's money. I do not owe anybody an apology for doing what an honest man with common sense should do. If that bother's you, then too bad.

[tom14cat14]

I am surprised no one is talking about how they just handed out millions of coins and the market had an initial sell and now has been slowly rising. I am very mixed on this coin. But I ask all of you here what happens if they pull this off? Maybe it will not look exactly what you thought it would but what if they do put up a $20 buy on paybase even though it will be limited amounts but what if they actually do this? What happens if they end up having all the right documents and licenses? You guys have been very viscous towards GAW. So what happens if you are wrong? Will you guys apologize to GAW, Josh, and customers that believe in GAW? The reason I say will you apologize is because the things you say on here is 10 times worse than what they say about non-believers.

I could argue about the "10 times worse" but then there is dekay... so whatever.

If you can set a more precise deadline and criteria, e.g. XPY is still worth $20+ and has returned 180%+ after 6 months of staking, or something like that (ensuring also that it's not a small minority of lucky customers profiting from this), then I think I can sign up for an apology. I have no problem admitting I'm wrong, but I do have a problem with moving goalposts, so let's make that part clear.

You are one of the ones that even if I do not agree with what you say I respect everything you say. You use well thought out arguments and do not just try to use his name as an argument. Or pictures of him. The few that do that really get me because it reminds me of middle school. (Name calling and making fun of how people look)

[I_IZ_CEO]

I am surprised no one is talking about how they just handed out millions of coins and the market had an initial sell and now has been slowly rising. I am very mixed on this coin. But I ask all of you here what happens if they pull this off? Maybe it will not look exactly what you thought it would but what if they do put up a $20 buy on paybase even though it will be limited amounts but what if they actually do this? What happens if they end up having all the right documents and licenses? You guys have been very viscous towards GAW. So what happens if you are wrong? Will you guys apologize to GAW, Josh, and customers that believe in GAW? The reason I say will you apologize is because the things you say on here is 10 times worse than what they say about non-believers.

What do you think the followers will do "IF" they buy the coins for 20$?
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[I_IZ_CEO]

I am surprised no one is talking about how they just handed out millions of coins and the market had an initial sell and now has been slowly rising. I am very mixed on this coin. But I ask all of you here what happens if they pull this off? Maybe it will not look exactly what you thought it would but what if they do put up a $20 buy on paybase even though it will be limited amounts but what if they actually do this? What happens if they end up having all the right documents and licenses? You guys have been very viscous towards GAW. So what happens if you are wrong? Will you guys apologize to GAW, Josh, and customers that believe in GAW? The reason I say will you apologize is because the things you say on here is 10 times worse than what they say about non-believers.

What is in it for GAW as a profit-maximizing firm to offer to buy something back for more than market? Why not make it a $100 buyback? Why not $500?

Well they are just doing what they said. They want it to be stable and if they have enough money it will make it stable at $20.

explain? how this any different than a failing company trying to prop up its own stock price by buying back shares in the open market?

Viable companies buy back shares because they believe they are undervalued.
Why is XPY undervalued at $20? It is unclear.
What drives the future value of XPY? Proof-of-stake isn't a value driver , so it's not that. POW *IS* a value driver but that's gone by tomorrow.
So what exactly confers value?

Now don't try to flip this and say well, what confers value to fiat. Governments demand taxes to be paid to them in fiat and since you can redeem your tax debt in fiat it has value. Plain and simple. Also because you can cancel financial debts with fiat it is valuable.
Being a transaction token has no value in and of itself.
So. Where is the value?

If this is the case, Josh would of purchased the cheap coins on the exchanges? NO?

[I_IZ_CEO]

What if a winning lotto ticket falls off of a passenger pigeon's wing and falls into my hand?

The thing is they are doing what they said they would. (In regards to paycoin) Yes some have been rocky or late but they still have been doing what they said.

Tom don't turn shill on us now. They haven't done anything yet. What we say is fact, we're not speculating into the future. Their PaySave violates retailer's terms of service, so it's likely it will get shut down in a major way just like ZincSave. They have no registration number for MSB. The coin is trading at $6 in free market. Their verification is overstepping A LOT, even compared to other MSB companies.

I dont plan on turning to a shill and I dont mean to come across as one. However I also do not want to people to just hate because they hate GAW. There are a few that use nothing more than name calling to put GAW down. I am not a fan of it. GAW has things that I would like answered. Such as the MSB I posted a comment in the thread saying it should be posted because it is not reasonable to have all their customers have to call to see if they indeed did file. If they are not properly licensed than we already know what most likely will come out Mon is sorry for the delay but we do not have the appropriate documents to allow you to sell on paybase. But if they have it all in hand right now and it has just not been updated online than things can move on as planned.

Tom if this does come out not to be a scam, I will remove all my posts and personally go to Con. and apologize to Josh MYSELF. But I think this is not the case, can I be wrong, yes but I do not think so. He has lied to many times b4.

[tom14cat14]

Incredible claims require incredible proof. GAWs claims are incredible. It is my right and even duty to be skeptical, especially when I am considering spending my families money. I do not owe anybody an apology for doing what an honest man with common sense should do. If that bother's you, then too bad.

When I say are people here going to offer an apology I do not mean because you guys are skeptical. If that’s how it comes across it is my bad. I am saying for those who make fun of Josh’s first name, or call anyone that follows GAW is an idiot, shill, paid for voice, …. Those are the things that irritate me. If you want to argue use fact and logic not name calling. I will admit I am not the most versed on this kind of stuff so I do actually listen to what you guys say when talking about finance regulations. However I also understand that we do not know each other so anyone could be just a 19 year old college student that thinks they know all but in reality they know very little but will make it sound like they know it. I can equate this to my industry. Anyone that has followed myself or the coins I worked on knows I am an airline pilot. The most dangerous pilots are not the brand new ones they are the 500-1500 hour pilots because they have some experience so they think they know all but they do not have enough to have the experience that taught them they don’t know it all.

[tom14cat14]

I am surprised no one is talking about how they just handed out millions of coins and the market had an initial sell and now has been slowly rising. I am very mixed on this coin. But I ask all of you here what happens if they pull this off? Maybe it will not look exactly what you thought it would but what if they do put up a $20 buy on paybase even though it will be limited amounts but what if they actually do this? What happens if they end up having all the right documents and licenses? You guys have been very viscous towards GAW. So what happens if you are wrong? Will you guys apologize to GAW, Josh, and customers that believe in GAW? The reason I say will you apologize is because the things you say on here is 10 times worse than what they say about non-believers.

What do you think the followers will do "IF" they buy the coins for 20$?
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I bet a large protion will dump. There will be some that hold and put in stakers but I think most will at least dump a portion. Of course I could be wrong because I thouht once you give everyone their coins the temptation to take your moeny and run would happen and we would see under .01.

[Paul Revere]

If Josh is offended by people calling him names he should grow some thicker bark or stay out of forums. End of story.

 I do not like you trying to lay some half assed guilt trip on me. Go pound sand. Does that answer your question?