GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io ION ionomy. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :)

[puwaha]

I was just gonna say notice how all the HT people have suddenly left us alone?

Here is our friend favelle75. Not such a happy cultist at the moment.
https://hashtalk.org/topic/25070/paycoin-stall-paybase-update-2/49

I'm here... just lurking.

[ikeboy]

"We don't ban here" See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=857670.msg9910985#msg9910985 with a screenshot of a deletion of an earlier post I made on this topic.

Oh, I had a post deleted once too on this thread. Got that email. It was a funny one. But I think the picture I attached was too huge or something. Probably made that page hard to read.

Me too I got DELETED not BANNED sherlock ikeboy

So you're fine with hashtalk deleting as long as they don't ban?

[bitpop]

"We don't ban here" See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=857670.msg9910985#msg9910985 with a screenshot of a deletion of an earlier post I made on this topic.

Oh, I had a post deleted once too on this thread. Got that email. It was a funny one. But I think the picture I attached was too huge or something. Probably made that page hard to read.

Me too I got DELETED not BANNED sherlock ikeboy

So you're fine with hashtalk deleting as long as they don't ban?

What was your post? You left that out.

Your betmoose spam?

[ikeboy]

"We don't ban here" See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=857670.msg9910985#msg9910985 with a screenshot of a deletion of an earlier post I made on this topic.

Oh, I had a post deleted once too on this thread. Got that email. It was a funny one. But I think the picture I attached was too huge or something. Probably made that page hard to read.

Me too I got DELETED not BANNED sherlock ikeboy

So you're fine with hashtalk deleting as long as they don't ban?

What was your post? You left that out.

Possibly your betmoose spam?

https://imgur.com/BEu6nzj

And I don't see how that's spam; a lot of the people who potentially would bet against me hang out in this thread. For a thread with the word uncensored in the title, that's not cool.

[bitpop]

"We don't ban here" See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=857670.msg9910985#msg9910985 with a screenshot of a deletion of an earlier post I made on this topic.

Oh, I had a post deleted once too on this thread. Got that email. It was a funny one. But I think the picture I attached was too huge or something. Probably made that page hard to read.

Me too I got DELETED not BANNED sherlock ikeboy

So you're fine with hashtalk deleting as long as they don't ban?

What was your post? You left that out.

Possibly your betmoose spam?

https://imgur.com/BEu6nzj

And I don't see how that's spam; a lot of the people who potentially would bet against me hang out in this thread. For a thread with the word uncensored in the title, that's not cool.

Look we don't like third party risk. Not you, not betmoose, not homero. We keep our bitcoin safely with us.

You can go gamble and shitcoin all you want.

[I_IZ_CEO]

"We don't ban here" See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=857670.msg9910985#msg9910985 with a screenshot of a deletion of an earlier post I made on this topic.

Oh, I had a post deleted once too on this thread. Got that email. It was a funny one. But I think the picture I attached was too huge or something. Probably made that page hard to read.

Me too I got DELETED not BANNED sherlock ikeboy

So you're fine with hashtalk deleting as long as they don't ban?

What was your post? You left that out.

Possibly your betmoose spam?

https://imgur.com/BEu6nzj

And I don't see how that's spam; a lot of the people who potentially would bet against me hang out in this thread. For a thread with the word uncensored in the title, that's not cool.

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[jfabritz]

NOTE: This is my opinion, my gut instinct, and that is how I sell it. It is based on the indicators I have seen and corresponding information from this thread, HT threads and past behavior by the company in question. As always, YMMV.

While we do not (as far as I know) have a smoking gun that would put certain executive officers of GAW into a legal quandary, the pattern of behavior over time and all of the plausible examples provided by various participants in this thread indicate something is not quite right. While a ponzi cannot be declared until everything falls apart and the pieces analyzed, I think they are doing something potentially harmful to their customers with the flawed launch of Paycoin.

There is plenty of circumstantial evidence to show that there should be a concern that of half-baked business plan and overall successful execution in the short term. While this coin and service launch could ultimately be made to work through multiple fixes, the fear is that consumer confidence will erode each time something goes wrong, participation will drop off and the coin will eventually wither away.

Based on the past week's events, it appears that GAW is feeling their way through this whole coin launch. Considering the grandiose plans behind this coin and the money they state is involved, they had a vested interest in doing things the right way. They would have found the right talent from the cryptocoin field, developed everything like wallets, POW/POS plan, etc. they needed far enough in advance and tested it to the point of exhaustion. Even the CEO admits on his own forum that he had a lack of (the right) resources and underestimated the work required. That is never a good sign.

They prematurely released the coin to the public. I have no idea why they were in such a rush to get this thing kicked off, but I bet Christmas had something to do with it. The PR they could have from people using XPY to buy Christmas presents was too good of an opportunity to pass up. However, it was a bumpy roll out, Paybase is not up yet, coin was released prematurely and the open market valued the coin at $4 for a while before moving back up to $9 (still a ways away from the "$20" and higher projections). We've had a stall in the block chain that has frozen the movement of coin for a day and another hard fork is in the works. Again, premature.

While the idea is good and could be a game changer, the planning and execution left little to be desired. I think GAW should have found and hired a well respected cryptocurrency developer/guru to be the figurehead on this. Someone with a successful coin launch or two under their belt. They needed someone with connections in the internet retail business space. Someone with more business connections to have worked hard to secure these desirable retail markets that would take their coin directly, not some half-baked idea on a application that was already under fire for violating major vendor TOS. Again, lack of (the right) resource and underestimation of the work required.

GAW might have sold millions of dollars of cryptocoin mining equipment, but it doesn't make them experts in rolling their own coin. The events of the past week have shown that to be obvious.

Constructive comments are appreciated.

[Liquid71]

There you go, $20 payday delayed:

https://hashtalk.org/topic/25054
https://archive.today/tYPDN

tldr: network still stalled, they're working on it, no ETA yet, Paybase launch delayed by an unspecified amount of time.

How many 16 year old kids launched POS coins this year? How many blockchains stopped working when POW was over?

It's funny and sad at the same time, a bunch of 16 year old kids can clone a coin but GAW still finds a way to royally fuck it up.

Part of me thinks this was planned, to delay paybase...but GAW really is incompetent so it's plausible they can't even pull off cloning a coin. 

Hope most of the refugees who had money held hostage in gaw were able to dump and are now free 

[suchmoon]

Anyone have the link to the eightcylinder's summary of gaw's history post? That's a great intro to gaw for any new readers here.

Third post of this thread has links to a few noteworthy (in my opinion) posts.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=857670.msg9544810#msg9544810

Hmm new to this thread can someone summarize all the proof about the accusations I see about GAW.  thanks in advance.

I skimmed all the posts and it was mostly Y repeating Z's comment and belief that GAW is a ponzi, or scam for the logical extrapolation that most coins before xpy were scams or ponzi.

If anyone is so inclined to post a reply with links or proof beyond some blog report or personal experience that they of course have no screenshots, emails etc for I would be grateful.
I think a list of all the proof would be more helpful then X,Y or Z posts filled with saving the day comments with no substance.

Waiting... and thank you.

As has been pointed out to you multiple times, you could have started from the first three posts and that should have given you enough background to do your own legwork.

[cryptofunk]

I only got deleted once as I was quoting someone that made a really nasty posts which was flagged and removed.  Got removed because of the quote and I completely agree with the decision.

I don't think there is much moderation going on this thread, anyone can also flag your posts and if a BCT mod agrees it'll get removed (this would be a BCT mod decision, nothing to do with the thread).

[bitpop]

I only got deleted once as I was quoting someone that made a really nasty posts which was flagged and removed.  Got removed because of the quote and I completely agree with the decision.

I don't think there is much moderation going on this thread, anyone can also flag your posts and if a BCT mod agrees it'll get removed (this would be a BCT mod decision, nothing to do with the thread).

Prlly one of my posts lol

[cryptofunk]

Prlly one of my posts lol

Actually it was!

[interstellar]

So peecoin still dead. This is really getting kinda embarassing.

lol just as I post this - finally back.
https://hashtalk.org/topic/25097/paycoin-stall-paybase-update-3

Oh, after reviewing this thread, paycoin is definitely the altcoin for the masses. Definitely! lmfao.

[suchmoon]

"We don't ban here" See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=857670.msg9910985#msg9910985 with a screenshot of a deletion of an earlier post I made on this topic.

Oh, I had a post deleted once too on this thread. Got that email. It was a funny one. But I think the picture I attached was too huge or something. Probably made that page hard to read.

Me too I got DELETED not BANNED sherlock ikeboy

So you're fine with hashtalk deleting as long as they don't ban?

What was your post? You left that out.

Possibly your betmoose spam?

https://imgur.com/BEu6nzj

And I don't see how that's spam; a lot of the people who potentially would bet against me hang out in this thread. For a thread with the word uncensored in the title, that's not cool.

Just to make this absolutely clear: this thread is not self-moderated. This means that posts can't be deleted by the OP, but can be deleted by a moderator/admin.

Anybody can report a post to a moderator. Moderator may or may not delete it. I don't have a clear understanding of what and how gets deleted, but I can tell you what I typically report:

1) Repeated posts consisting of personal attacks/insults and no on-topic contents.
2) Obvious spam, such as referral links, also mostly if it's repeated.

ikeboy, you post was likely yanked because it was spam, and not the first one at that. I don't believe I reported it, but unfortunately forum doesn't keep track of reports, so I can't be 100% sure now. Does your original link to the bet remain?

If you would like to check moderators' actions see this:

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You are welcome to PM me any time you feel your post was removed without a good reason. Moderators might make mistakes too, so in some cases it might be ok to re-post.

[suchmoon]

See now this is a great attempt at proving the ponzi side of the argument!  Thank you very much for the time and effort..

Now for the sake of not making this post equally as long I only see one bullet point I can see as proof of underhanded practices.  That is the lack of filed paperwork.  The rest of the points to me, while they should be considered in everyone individual risk/reward assessments, are not again proof of fraud.

But quickly back to the supposed lack of paperwork ( which I will just take your word for as I would not be an expert on searching for this and reporting the existence or nonexistence ).  Do most crypto companies have all this paperwork done you think?  Beyond Coinbase and maybe bitpay?  ( Again I just will assume they have the exact same forms etc filed that people are saying GAW does not. )
 

How does it matter what other companies do or don't do? In other words, somebody else doing it wrong doesn't make it right.

Edit: effing wall of text...

[suchmoon]

Well gn.  

I see there are a few level headed posters who add value to this thread. Thank you for the responses.

I think I find it of no value to stay any longer as there are just too many people who are hate blind.

I am sure those hate filled GAW enraged fraud screamers will not miss a well balanced conversation on the topic as a civil balanced conversation does not fit into the reason for the thread.


So carry on.. don't let reasoning play any part in any descision revolving money.  I am sure that is working well for those people who can't separate emotion and mob mentality from making money.

Just like those who I see here accuse the hashtalk cult side... The crypts and the bloods if you will I guess...

If you stay around you'll see that you can have a conversation here at any level of civility that you prefer. That mostly depends on YOU, not on other posters. It only becomes a problem when you do this: http://xkcd.com/386/

[bitpop]

Disappointed, I wanted to buy a ray gun at meganet with my .04 xpy but xpy is down

[tss]

At least outside the Cult of Gaw in Homero Talk its definitely noticed.  Within that eco system of circle jerking on HT its unnoticed.

aren't circle jerks great?

over time gaw could actually pull this off as a bought into rewards program.

you have to consider cash out delays or reinvestment opportunities claimed and expectations of their apparently doge like followers.

if they turn this into some sort of merchant credit like groupon, and have products listed from interesting places at deep discount, then you can purchase xpy worth $20 from an exchange for more discount and maybe it could work.

i don't want to give gaw any ideas... but.... if they can transition their followers from renting non existent hashpower to paying out their customer with their own altcoin, and have them be all excited about it, maybe they can sell this to the masses

that is ONLY for as long as they watch their greed and sell off their stash slowly, a little bit at a time, manipulating the market buying back and such.

either way they are definitely cashing in right now.  BIG TIME!  

sad to watch, but hey.  welcome to crypto :-(

[suchmoon]

In case you haven't noticed, GAW has a new signature design for their campaign here on Bitcointalk:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=530420.0


Edited 2020-11-28 to fix a broken image

[ellave]

https://hashtalk.org/topic/25104/kyc-update-for-paybase

KYC Update for Paybase
We listen! Got some good news!!!!

Still working through the details. But I can confirm that you will be able to transfer between XPY and BTC without any verifications

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So this could actually be good, if I understand it correctly you can transfer your XPY into BTC at the $20 rate without limits?  But I imagine there is a catch like you cant transfer your BTC back out?