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January 12, 2015, 03:08:05 AM
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DEATH THREATS OVER FOIE GRAS




Hermosa beach restaurant owner Sean Chaney is rejoicing despite death threats since returning to serving foie gras. His ability to again sell the dish comes as the result of a judge overturning a ban on serving the French fatty duck liver delicacy.


Chaney called the return to selling the dish an “incredible feeling,” and said, “It’s nice to be vindicated,” reported CBS San Francisco. Chaney had sued the state of California in 2012 over a law that effectively prevented him from selling the controversial dish.

Chaney says, per CBS San Francisco, that the FBI is looking into the several death threats that have been aimed at the restaurant owner. He says of the foie gras controversy, “I think it’s done with respect to animals and I think the farmers are doing the best job they can with today’s standards.”

PETA (People for the Ethical treatment of Animals) protested outside Chaney’s restaurant after the establishment began again selling the ingredient they call a “vile dish.”


http://www.breitbart.com/california/2015/01/11/death-threats-over-foie-gras/


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January 12, 2015, 03:13:19 AM
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Have the stores taken action to stop these events or do they let the protests go on?

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January 12, 2015, 05:46:19 PM
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Have the stores taken action to stop these events or do they let the protests go on?

The store taking action and a liberal state like Cali responding to those threats seriously are two different things. Until someone gets hurt for foie gras, unfortunately.


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January 13, 2015, 11:58:29 PM
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I believe in animal rights but I also believe in the right to eat whatever the fuck I want.
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January 14, 2015, 02:07:55 AM
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I believe in animal rights but I also believe in the right to eat whatever the fuck I want.

Those things seem mutually exclusive to me. If animals have rights, it would seem to me that you cannot kill and eat them. It can still be illegal to be cruel to animals without going so far as to say they have "rights."


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It's natural for humans to eat other animals.  We're omnivores by nature.  Despite that, I have a problem with massive farms where they make devices that prevent animals from even moving around at all.


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January 14, 2015, 05:34:57 AM
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Have the stores taken action to stop these events or do they let the protests go on?

They have security teams to deal with it.


Problem will be when people start to use such "protests" to steal chicken and other stuff because everyone is confused and not paying attention
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January 14, 2015, 07:04:09 AM
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I believe in animal rights but I also believe in the right to eat whatever the fuck I want.

Those things seem mutually exclusive to me. If animals have rights, it would seem to me that you cannot kill and eat them. It can still be illegal to be cruel to animals without going so far as to say they have "rights."

Animals have rights. They have the right to be eaten by the man or woman that owns them. They have the right to be fed to the kids. They have the right to be sold and resold to other people.

It's kinda like the rights that bitcoins have. They have the right to be used by their owners as money. But government tries to regulate Bitcoin, just like they try to regulate the chickens and other animals.

Wake up and see that when something is regulated, even if it is a "rights group" of some kind that is promoting the regulation, it is NOT the item or commodity or money that is being regulated. Really it is the people who are being regulated.

When people are regulated involuntarily, it is slavery, it is involuntary servitude, it is against the laws of nature and the common law, even though it may be what seems to be a legal code.

Stop getting in my face with your regulation!

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January 14, 2015, 03:32:22 PM
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I believe in animal rights but I also believe in the right to eat whatever the fuck I want.

Those things seem mutually exclusive to me. If animals have rights, it would seem to me that you cannot kill and eat them. It can still be illegal to be cruel to animals without going so far as to say they have "rights."

Animals have rights. They have the right to be eaten by the man or woman that owns them. They have the right to be fed to the kids. They have the right to be sold and resold to other people.

It's kinda like the rights that bitcoins have. They have the right to be used by their owners as money. But government tries to regulate Bitcoin, just like they try to regulate the chickens and other animals.

Wake up and see that when something is regulated, even if it is a "rights group" of some kind that is promoting the regulation, it is NOT the item or commodity or money that is being regulated. Really it is the people who are being regulated.

When people are regulated involuntarily, it is slavery, it is involuntary servitude, it is against the laws of nature and the common law, even though it may be what seems to be a legal code.

Stop getting in my face with your regulation!

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What you're describing for animals aren't rights. What you're describing for bitcoins aren't rights either, because inanimate objects don't have rights. Also, I am a meat eater. I was not advocating for animal rights, I was pointing out the logical inconsistency of animals having rights but also still being killed and eaten, just like I was pointing out that the things you're saying don't make sense; you're not describing animals' rights, you're describing man's rights over animals.


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January 14, 2015, 04:24:41 PM
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Have the stores taken action to stop these events or do they let the protests go on?

They have security teams to deal with it.


Problem will be when people start to use such "protests" to steal chicken and other stuff because everyone is confused and not paying attention

So on top of paying taxes for the state of California for security (police, etc.) he has to pay for his own security, because the same state is nudging people to bully that respected citizen.


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Son of a gun. I just had chicken 6 hours ago. And now reading the title of this thread, I want more. But I'm all out. Is KFC open yet?

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Son of a gun. I just had chicken 6 hours ago. And now reading the title of this thread, I want more. But I'm all out. Is KFC open yet?

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Can a computer think? Can it be self-aware? If it is programmed to think or be self-aware, is it really self-aware? Or is it only programmed to act like it is thinking and self-aware, without being self-aware at all? Consider even a highly complex computer.

The kind of self-awareness that human beings have is extremely different than the animals. It goes multitudes of levels beyond what any animal can do. The actuating of it may "tickle" untold numbers of dimensions that even the mindful thinking can't calculate mathematically or in any other way.

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Then what are human childs then? Until they reach a certain age they cant recognize themself as themself in a mirror. So are they better because? Or are they still robots and you believe they get some kind of soul at the age of a couple years or so?

Or what about humans that are disabled in their mind? Maybe they dont have action in the certain brain areas you think of making up some kind of material soul. Would you hurt them and claim that the pain reaction is only robotic since he cant feel anything in reality?

On the other hand... if there are lifeforms so highly developed that we look to them like animals... would you like they speak about you as being some form of robot? Your pain is only an illusion? I would like to be something better. If iam the "big brother" in nature then i have to care. If iam wrong then nothing happens. If youre wrong then you most probably would have done things you would prefer not having done. Or at least in another way.

The thing is... humans are good in deciding that other life is worth less. They did even with other human colors, races and so on in the past. And they even believed it. For example humans with darker color. They were put into zoos, preparated after dead and so on. Yes, they believed they are no humans.

Im not saying its the same. But what you say sounds to me like a similar mindset. Its maybe easier for you but from my view its very arbitrary. You decide to make a border and you decide that something looks the same but there is a hidden reality behind it that makes that the pain reactions are only robotic reactions and no real reactions. Simply arbitrary.

Anyway... i think you might have your reason why its important for you to think the way you do.
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Can a computer think? Can it be self-aware? If it is programmed to think or be self-aware, is it really self-aware? Or is it only programmed to act like it is thinking and self-aware, without being self-aware at all? Consider even a highly complex computer.

The kind of self-awareness that human beings have is extremely different than the animals. It goes multitudes of levels beyond what any animal can do. The actuating of it may "tickle" untold numbers of dimensions that even the mindful thinking can't calculate mathematically or in any other way.

Smiley

Then what are human childs then? Until they reach a certain age they cant recognize themself as themself in a mirror. So are they better because? Or are they still robots and you believe they get some kind of soul at the age of a couple years or so?

Or what about humans that are disabled in their mind? Maybe they dont have action in the certain brain areas you think of making up some kind of material soul. Would you hurt them and claim that the pain reaction is only robotic since he cant feel anything in reality?

On the other hand... if there are lifeforms so highly developed that we look to them like animals... would you like they speak about you as being some form of robot? Your pain is only an illusion? I would like to be something better. If iam the "big brother" in nature then i have to care. If iam wrong then nothing happens. If youre wrong then you most probably would have done things you would prefer not having done. Or at least in another way.

The thing is... humans are good in deciding that other life is worth less. They did even with other human colors, races and so on in the past. And they even believed it. For example humans with darker color. They were put into zoos, preparated after dead and so on. Yes, they believed they are no humans.

Im not saying its the same. But what you say sounds to me like a similar mindset. Its maybe easier for you but from my view its very arbitrary. You decide to make a border and you decide that something looks the same but there is a hidden reality behind it that makes that the pain reactions are only robotic reactions and no real reactions. Simply arbitrary.

Anyway... i think you might have your reason why its important for you to think the way you do.



Not bad as a back and forth. I hope he will reply...  Smiley



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January 17, 2015, 07:54:28 PM
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DEATH THREATS OVER FOIE GRAS




Hermosa beach restaurant owner Sean Chaney is rejoicing despite death threats since returning to serving foie gras. His ability to again sell the dish comes as the result of a judge overturning a ban on serving the French fatty duck liver delicacy.


Chaney called the return to selling the dish an “incredible feeling,” and said, “It’s nice to be vindicated,” reported CBS San Francisco. Chaney had sued the state of California in 2012 over a law that effectively prevented him from selling the controversial dish.

Chaney says, per CBS San Francisco, that the FBI is looking into the several death threats that have been aimed at the restaurant owner. He says of the foie gras controversy, “I think it’s done with respect to animals and I think the farmers are doing the best job they can with today’s standards.”

PETA (People for the Ethical treatment of Animals) protested outside Chaney’s restaurant after the establishment began again selling the ingredient they call a “vile dish.”


http://www.breitbart.com/california/2015/01/11/death-threats-over-foie-gras/




that's fucking ridicules that they do that to some man just working for his business.
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DEATH THREATS OVER FOIE GRAS




Hermosa beach restaurant owner Sean Chaney is rejoicing despite death threats since returning to serving foie gras. His ability to again sell the dish comes as the result of a judge overturning a ban on serving the French fatty duck liver delicacy.


Chaney called the return to selling the dish an “incredible feeling,” and said, “It’s nice to be vindicated,” reported CBS San Francisco. Chaney had sued the state of California in 2012 over a law that effectively prevented him from selling the controversial dish.

Chaney says, per CBS San Francisco, that the FBI is looking into the several death threats that have been aimed at the restaurant owner. He says of the foie gras controversy, “I think it’s done with respect to animals and I think the farmers are doing the best job they can with today’s standards.”

PETA (People for the Ethical treatment of Animals) protested outside Chaney’s restaurant after the establishment began again selling the ingredient they call a “vile dish.”


http://www.breitbart.com/california/2015/01/11/death-threats-over-foie-gras/




that's fucking ridicules that they do that to some man just working for his business.

It is not ridiculous IF your world view and your concept of multiculturalism in California is based on the amount of take out menus you have near your TV. Chinese food. Check! Mexican food. Check! Italian food. Check!


French food, che.. Hey! What's that!! Foie gras?Huh? OMG! OMG! Facebook! Twitter! Instagram! Ban! Ban! Boycott! Boycott! Delete! Delete! Delete!












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Can a computer think? Can it be self-aware? If it is programmed to think or be self-aware, is it really self-aware? Or is it only programmed to act like it is thinking and self-aware, without being self-aware at all? Consider even a highly complex computer.

The kind of self-awareness that human beings have is extremely different than the animals. It goes multitudes of levels beyond what any animal can do. The actuating of it may "tickle" untold numbers of dimensions that even the mindful thinking can't calculate mathematically or in any other way.

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Then what are human childs then? Until they reach a certain age they cant recognize themself as themself in a mirror. So are they better because? Or are they still robots and you believe they get some kind of soul at the age of a couple years or so?

Or what about humans that are disabled in their mind? Maybe they dont have action in the certain brain areas you think of making up some kind of material soul. Would you hurt them and claim that the pain reaction is only robotic since he cant feel anything in reality?

On the other hand... if there are lifeforms so highly developed that we look to them like animals... would you like they speak about you as being some form of robot? Your pain is only an illusion? I would like to be something better. If iam the "big brother" in nature then i have to care. If iam wrong then nothing happens. If youre wrong then you most probably would have done things you would prefer not having done. Or at least in another way.

The thing is... humans are good in deciding that other life is worth less. They did even with other human colors, races and so on in the past. And they even believed it. For example humans with darker color. They were put into zoos, preparated after dead and so on. Yes, they believed they are no humans.

Im not saying its the same. But what you say sounds to me like a similar mindset. Its maybe easier for you but from my view its very arbitrary. You decide to make a border and you decide that something looks the same but there is a hidden reality behind it that makes that the pain reactions are only robotic reactions and no real reactions. Simply arbitrary.

Anyway... i think you might have your reason why its important for you to think the way you do.

God, the Creator and Maker of everything, gave and gives people the authority for everything, including life of the plants and animals on the earth. God allowed and allows mankind to freely eat the plants and animals.

God never forces a person to eat animals. He doesn't really force people to eat plants either. The only thing He tells us is to treat other people with enough respect that they respect the freedom and property of other people.

Many people disregard the things that God tells them. This does not make them right. It only adds to the liability that they will have when God judges them in the coming judgment of all things.

Children are simply people who are not fully developed in certain ways. Children have souls. Animals do not.

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January 17, 2015, 09:11:30 PM
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I heard that. You are mistaken. The God of the Bible is the reality. Belief that God is a fable, and that the Bible is a fairytale book is the religion.

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January 18, 2015, 02:50:50 AM
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I heard that. You are mistaken. The God of the Bible is the reality. Belief that God is a fable, and that the Bible is a fairytale book is the religion.

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do you believe in the bible or not because 99% of your posts dealing with something by tying it to the bible. but just then you called it out as a fable
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January 18, 2015, 03:45:25 PM
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I heard that. You are mistaken. The God of the Bible is the reality. Belief that God is a fable, and that the Bible is a fairytale book is the religion.

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but just then you called it out as a fable

No I didn't. You simply misunderstand the English I am using.

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