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December 01, 2014, 04:09:16 AM
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Ron Swanson - Nature is amazing

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one day we will evolve past food in the current format, at the moment i dont know how some poor city located family would attempt a vegetarian diet.

They could start by stopping being ignorant and shop their organically vegetarian food at wholefood http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/values-matter

And if they can't afford it, they should die rather than eating meat...

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Yeah, besides, all those people who live in the sewers should eat the fungus and lichen that grows on the sewer walls, and leave those poor rats alone.

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January 06, 2015, 05:13:14 PM
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Activists Hold Conference in Support of “Queer Animal Liberation”


An animal liberation group called Direct Action Everywhere recently hosted an event in which a variety of presentations were given, which included titles such as “Trickle-Up Queer Animal Liberation” and “LGBTQ and Animal Liberation.”

Trickle=Up Queer Animal Liberation





The video compilation, posted by Daylight Disinfectant, starts off with a young, uhh, supposedly female who talks about her kielbasa, and why she didn’t have any love for the sausage. “How could I justly seek my own liberation, while denying that to others?” she pondered. She later shows a picture of her girlfriend with a “cow”, which shows them “connecting” and the cow “really enjoying himself.” “My goal is total animal, queer, and trans liberation” she says at the end of her presentation.

The next presenter talks about how animal liberation begins with your cat.

The third presenter starts off by saying “I’m going to talk about some of the ways in which the struggles for LGBTQ and animal liberation intersect with each other”, and uses a picture of primate bonobos having sex, with a baby bonobo between them. “I’m not sure if the adults are the same gender or sex, or if they are opposite sex, but like humans, they are one species that have sex for pleasure, and they form a variety of relationships with each other, both opposite sex and same sex relations, and also have multiple partners.” She goes on to talk about “human supremacy“, and ends with the statement “The LGBTQ rights and animal right movements must work together to achieve human and nonhuman equality




Finally, we have a presentation on “respecting gender identity”, saying “Gender expression is not necessarily fixed. It can vary from day to day even hour to hour. Some people even have a different gender identity when they wake up in the morning“…”These animals cannot tell us what their gender identity is, so, unfortunately, we have to make some assumptions based on their anatomy. It’s imperfect, but I think it’s much better to call an animal she or he to respect that that animal is a person just like humans or people

“It’s a reminder that this animal is a person, and we should respect them as an individual.” They later go on to refer to a chickens and goats as persons, and they seem to be perplexed by the gender of a snail. They end by praising Sweden’s education system which teaches children at a young age to use gender neutral pronouns.


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I LOVE animals. Snakes and spiders, not so much.
For an animal to be a person just like humans or people (what is the difference, I am not really sure), it would be easier for humans and people to be like animals, if you want to try to even start leveling the plane field.

The best part is, they don't realize how humans they are acting, by pushing and imposing their human paradigm, a distinct concept or thought pattern, on animals. They don't even realize a cow is a 90% human invention, just like dogs, after hundreds and hundreds of very selective breeding.


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Trickle-down Devolution (Wilikon)


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I love animals, too. Cats, if properly trained, make for good target practice. People in some countries eat them.

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January 07, 2015, 08:51:47 PM
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Some funny stuff. Cheesy

Where do LGBT issues and animal liberation intersect? Your mind, that's where.

But on a side note: Chickens do have an emotional life, it's really all they have. The emotions of animals are the same emotions we feel. They feel loss, joy, etc. That does not keep me from slaughtering and eating them, but I do recognize their lives and I am thankful that they were there to feed me.

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Some funny stuff. Cheesy

Where do LGBT issues and animal liberation intersect? Your mind, that's where.

But on a side note: Chickens do have an emotional life, it's really all they have. The emotions of animals are the same emotions we feel. They feel loss, joy, etc. That does not keep me from slaughtering and eating them, but I do recognize their lives and I am thankful that they were there to feed me.

On the other hand, how do we really know that animals have emotions?

I tend to think that emotions can only be felt or had by creatures that have a literal soul. I think animals are essentially robots (cyborgs?) that are built to efficiently mimic emotions at times. The fact that animals save lives at some times, simply proves that they are controlled by outside forces that use them for the saving of lives.

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January 07, 2015, 09:12:15 PM
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Some funny stuff. Cheesy

Where do LGBT issues and animal liberation intersect? Your mind, that's where.

But on a side note: Chickens do have an emotional life, it's really all they have. The emotions of animals are the same emotions we feel. They feel loss, joy, etc. That does not keep me from slaughtering and eating them, but I do recognize their lives and I am thankful that they were there to feed me.

There was this cute calf on my land, but belonging to a neighbor. Very young, very curious. It would come near my door and look at me watching TV. I would try to stand up verryyyyy slowly so I could touch it, but it would run away so fast, every time.
No doubt this animal was playful and was trying to understand the meaning of me sitting doing nothing. But it was still not enough for that calf not to be turned into food later in its life.  Smiley



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January 07, 2015, 09:17:18 PM
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Some funny stuff. Cheesy

Where do LGBT issues and animal liberation intersect? Your mind, that's where.

But on a side note: Chickens do have an emotional life, it's really all they have. The emotions of animals are the same emotions we feel. They feel loss, joy, etc. That does not keep me from slaughtering and eating them, but I do recognize their lives and I am thankful that they were there to feed me.

There was this cute calf on my land, but belonging to a neighbor. Very young, very curious. It would come near my door and look at me watching TV. I would try to stand up verryyyyy slowly so I could touch it, but it would run away so fast, every time.
No doubt this animal was playful and was trying to understand the meaning of me sitting doing nothing. But it was still not enough for that calf not to be turned into food later in its life.  Smiley





Robots. All robots, designed by God to give us enjoyment in this life.

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January 07, 2015, 09:20:37 PM
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Some funny stuff. Cheesy

Where do LGBT issues and animal liberation intersect? Your mind, that's where.

But on a side note: Chickens do have an emotional life, it's really all they have. The emotions of animals are the same emotions we feel. They feel loss, joy, etc. That does not keep me from slaughtering and eating them, but I do recognize their lives and I am thankful that they were there to feed me.

On the other hand, how do we really know that animals have emotions?

I tend to think that emotions can only be felt or had by creatures that have a literal soul. I think animals are essentially robots (cyborgs?) that are built to efficiently mimic emotions at times. The fact that animals save lives at some times, simply proves that they are controlled by outside forces that use them for the saving of lives.

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No matter what we believe, I understand the meaning of giving thanks before eating anything as a form of respect of Nature. So called primitive cultures always thanks the spirit of the animals they are killing for food. It is an ultimate form of respect and understanding of how precious life is.


I many not wear their skin and antlers while jumping in a cab after diner though... Smiley

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No matter what we believe, I understand the meaning of giving thanks before eating anything as a form of respect of Nature. So called primitive cultures always thanks the spirit of the animals they are killing for food. It is an ultimate form of respect and understanding of how precious life is.


I many not wear their skin and antlers while jumping in a cab after diner though... Smiley


You might like this!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=826HMLoiE_o

This video shows a San bushman practicing the "persistence hunt". This guy gives thanks at the end of his hunt. Man does he earn it. Amazing technique.

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January 07, 2015, 10:34:52 PM
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How about this:

From http://guardianlv.com/2013/05/nasa-confirms-super-human-abilities-gained/
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... Many proponents of this ancient technique, used by many cultures such as Mayan, Egyptian, Aztec, Tibetian and Indian yoga, report not only healing benefits to common illnesses, but obtaining super-human abilities such as advanced telepathy and going completely without the need for food.
Read more at http://guardianlv.com/2013/05/nasa-confirms-super-human-abilities-gained/#zYIUJUJ2QCC5yla5.99

and this from http://english.pravda.ru/science/mysteries/28-08-2006/84110-sunlight-0/
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Man lives for 11 years eating only sunlight
28.08.2006
 

Hira Ratan Manek claims that since 1995 he has lived many days solely on sunlight and water.

Sun gazing is the practice of staring directly at the sun to receive “nourishment” from it.

The practice is controversial since some believe that looking directly at the sun for even brief periods of time may cause blindness or severe damage to the eye. Most eye care professionals advise against looking directly at the sun.

“Sun gazing is a relaxed look at the sun just as we see sunrise and sunset,” Manek said. “It gives all benefits for health. Those who practice sun gazing get total health of mind, body and spirit without any cost … but only at safe times of the sun.”

Read more at http://english.pravda.ru/science/mysteries/28-08-2006/84110-sunlight-0/

See? We don't really need food at all. Even the plants can go free.

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January 07, 2015, 11:33:45 PM
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It is less of what we eat and more of how we eat it.  You take in the energy of the food you consume.  Eat animals that suffered, and their negative energy will pass onto you.  Eat an animal that lived a happy life with a habitable environment and a loving care taker, and their energy will be passed to you in a positive light.

And blessing food, by meditating for the being to become light, shows respect and love that the being's spirit will feel and reflect onto you.

It's less about saying words, but feeling gratitude and love towards the being you are consuming.

Factory farming is a loveless practice and completely unnecessary for our survival.

When the day comes that I have chickens, I will show them much love and it will be passed on through their eggs and lives.

Yes happy animals taste better.

Yes. If only we could eliminate the shock of death in animal systems when we slaughter them, they might be twice as nutritious, way more than plants, that have always been happy to be eaten, but don't provide enough nutrition to people.

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You know beings that are at peace don't feel pain when they die?

Prove it.

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It is less of what we eat and more of how we eat it.  You take in the energy of the food you consume.  Eat animals that suffered, and their negative energy will pass onto you.  Eat an animal that lived a happy life with a habitable environment and a loving care taker, and their energy will be passed to you in a positive light.

And blessing food, by meditating for the being to become light, shows respect and love that the being's spirit will feel and reflect onto you.

It's less about saying words, but feeling gratitude and love towards the being you are consuming.

Factory farming is a loveless practice and completely unnecessary for our survival.

When the day comes that I have chickens, I will show them much love and it will be passed on through their eggs and lives.

Yes happy animals taste better.

Yes. If only we could eliminate the shock of death in animal systems when we slaughter them, they might be twice as nutritious, way more than plants, that have always been happy to be eaten, but don't provide enough nutrition to people.

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You know beings that are at peace don't feel pain when they die?

Prove it.

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January 09, 2015, 07:38:26 PM
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Where do LGBT issues and animal liberation intersect? Your mind, that's where.

But on a side note: Chickens do have an emotional life, it's really all they have. The emotions of animals are the same emotions we feel. They feel loss, joy, etc. That does not keep me from slaughtering and eating them, but I do recognize their lives and I am thankful that they were there to feed me.

On the other hand, how do we really know that animals have emotions?

I tend to think that emotions can only be felt or had by creatures that have a literal soul. I think animals are essentially robots (cyborgs?) that are built to efficiently mimic emotions at times. The fact that animals save lives at some times, simply proves that they are controlled by outside forces that use them for the saving of lives.

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This sounds like a theory coming from a religious background. For the start... a soul is something you have to believe yet. I dont know a soul was scientifically observed. So does this mean you are a robot too? Or does it make you more because you can think about this. Then... why would you think all animals cant have thoughts in that direction? The intellgence of animals are often measured in the intelligence of human childs. Human childs at first dont recognize themself in the mirror. Thats a sign of intelligence that comes later. A good bunch of animals can recognize themself. Though its often even different between the same race of animals.

Consequently people who circumcise childs (without anestetics) claim that babies dont feel pain.

So at the end its all a thing of "Believe" though in fact science can give good hints there. Pain felt by humans isnt much different from many animals, same structure of nervous system. Some scientists even claim plants have emotions. Only because something cant speak doesnt mean we should assume its only acting. Maybe its easier for us to believe that the pain is not real but i think its better to assume they feel it like us and act accordingly. That doesnt mean we should stop to eat since at the end we only can life by doing so.

By the way... why should animals be controlled by outside forces and humans not? If you think so then you could start believing that every human, beside you, is a soulless robot. Only there to act like a human. I dont see a hint that justifies such a view.
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If you look into it, you will find that humans have a tiny section in their brains that animals don't have. This section makes it so that people can self-aware to the extreme. Animals might be self-aware one level... or two levels in a few of the more intelligent animals. But if people ever take the time to set their self-awareness going, it becomes something like facing two mirrors towards each other, where you can see in both mirrors, what looks like a hall of mirrors that goes on to infinity. This is like a feedback that takes awareness to points beyond understanding. This is a touching of the soul that animals do not have.

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If you look into it, you will find that humans have a tiny section in their brains that animals don't have. This section makes it so that people can self-aware to the extreme. Animals might be self-aware one level... or two levels in a few of the more intelligent animals. But if people ever take the time to set their self-awareness going, it becomes something like facing two mirrors towards each other, where you can see in both mirrors, what looks like a hall of mirrors that goes on to infinity. This is like a feedback that takes awareness to points beyond understanding. This is a touching of the soul that animals do not have.

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Its always a difference between different kind of lifeforms. Though it was only an assumption that animals dont feel pain. At least nowadays practically no one believes this anymore. Otherwise all forms of cruelty to animals would be perfectly fine since they are only robots mimicking the reaction on pain.

Why shouldnt they feel it? Its the same nervous system that transports the pain signals to the brain and as long as the brain works the pain can be felt and the lifeform reacts. But i think its a very thin edge to say that animals dont feel pain.

By the way... what is self aware? Is a chimpansee who recognizes himself on the mirror not self aware? You say humans can do nice things with... probably meditation and more. So you think animals dont think? I dont see how you can say it so sure that no animal can reach a high point of self-awareness. I mean do you think all humans are the same. There are enough realls stupid persons and there are a good bunch of really big thinkers. Why should it be different with animals? And why do you have the idea that humans have to be better? I wonder where this is coming from. Religion, do you fear only being another form of animal, do you fear to hurt lifeforms and its easier for you to see them as robots or where does it come from?
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If you look into it, you will find that humans have a tiny section in their brains that animals don't have. This section makes it so that people can self-aware to the extreme. Animals might be self-aware one level... or two levels in a few of the more intelligent animals. But if people ever take the time to set their self-awareness going, it becomes something like facing two mirrors towards each other, where you can see in both mirrors, what looks like a hall of mirrors that goes on to infinity. This is like a feedback that takes awareness to points beyond understanding. This is a touching of the soul that animals do not have.

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Its always a difference between different kind of lifeforms. Though it was only an assumption that animals dont feel pain. At least nowadays practically no one believes this anymore. Otherwise all forms of cruelty to animals would be perfectly fine since they are only robots mimicking the reaction on pain.

Why shouldnt they feel it? Its the same nervous system that transports the pain signals to the brain and as long as the brain works the pain can be felt and the lifeform reacts. But i think its a very thin edge to say that animals dont feel pain.

By the way... what is self aware? Is a chimpansee who recognizes himself on the mirror not self aware? You say humans can do nice things with... probably meditation and more. So you think animals dont think? I dont see how you can say it so sure that no animal can reach a high point of self-awareness. I mean do you think all humans are the same. There are enough realls stupid persons and there are a good bunch of really big thinkers. Why should it be different with animals? And why do you have the idea that humans have to be better? I wonder where this is coming from. Religion, do you fear only being another form of animal, do you fear to hurt lifeforms and its easier for you to see them as robots or where does it come from?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciesism

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If you look into it, you will find that humans have a tiny section in their brains that animals don't have. This section makes it so that people can self-aware to the extreme. Animals might be self-aware one level... or two levels in a few of the more intelligent animals. But if people ever take the time to set their self-awareness going, it becomes something like facing two mirrors towards each other, where you can see in both mirrors, what looks like a hall of mirrors that goes on to infinity. This is like a feedback that takes awareness to points beyond understanding. This is a touching of the soul that animals do not have.

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Its always a difference between different kind of lifeforms. Though it was only an assumption that animals dont feel pain. At least nowadays practically no one believes this anymore. Otherwise all forms of cruelty to animals would be perfectly fine since they are only robots mimicking the reaction on pain.

Why shouldnt they feel it? Its the same nervous system that transports the pain signals to the brain and as long as the brain works the pain can be felt and the lifeform reacts. But i think its a very thin edge to say that animals dont feel pain.

By the way... what is self aware? Is a chimpansee who recognizes himself on the mirror not self aware? You say humans can do nice things with... probably meditation and more. So you think animals dont think? I dont see how you can say it so sure that no animal can reach a high point of self-awareness. I mean do you think all humans are the same. There are enough realls stupid persons and there are a good bunch of really big thinkers. Why should it be different with animals? And why do you have the idea that humans have to be better? I wonder where this is coming from. Religion, do you fear only being another form of animal, do you fear to hurt lifeforms and its easier for you to see them as robots or where does it come from?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciesism

Neat article.

Can a computer think? Can it be self-aware? If it is programmed to think or be self-aware, is it really self-aware? Or is it only programmed to act like it is thinking and self-aware, without being self-aware at all? Consider even a highly complex computer.

The kind of self-awareness that human beings have is extremely different than the animals. It goes multitudes of levels beyond what any animal can do. The actuating of it may "tickle" untold numbers of dimensions that even the mindful thinking can't calculate mathematically or in any other way.

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If you look into it, you will find that humans have a tiny section in their brains that animals don't have. This section makes it so that people can self-aware to the extreme. Animals might be self-aware one level... or two levels in a few of the more intelligent animals. But if people ever take the time to set their self-awareness going, it becomes something like facing two mirrors towards each other, where you can see in both mirrors, what looks like a hall of mirrors that goes on to infinity. This is like a feedback that takes awareness to points beyond understanding. This is a touching of the soul that animals do not have.

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Its always a difference between different kind of lifeforms. Though it was only an assumption that animals dont feel pain. At least nowadays practically no one believes this anymore. Otherwise all forms of cruelty to animals would be perfectly fine since they are only robots mimicking the reaction on pain.

Why shouldnt they feel it? Its the same nervous system that transports the pain signals to the brain and as long as the brain works the pain can be felt and the lifeform reacts. But i think its a very thin edge to say that animals dont feel pain.

By the way... what is self aware? Is a chimpansee who recognizes himself on the mirror not self aware? You say humans can do nice things with... probably meditation and more. So you think animals dont think? I dont see how you can say it so sure that no animal can reach a high point of self-awareness. I mean do you think all humans are the same. There are enough realls stupid persons and there are a good bunch of really big thinkers. Why should it be different with animals? And why do you have the idea that humans have to be better? I wonder where this is coming from. Religion, do you fear only being another form of animal, do you fear to hurt lifeforms and its easier for you to see them as robots or where does it come from?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciesism

Neat article.

Can a computer think? Can it be self-aware? If it is programmed to think or be self-aware, is it really self-aware? Or is it only programmed to act like it is thinking and self-aware, without being self-aware at all? Consider even a highly complex computer.

The kind of self-awareness that human beings have is extremely different than the animals. It goes multitudes of levels beyond what any animal can do. The actuating of it may "tickle" untold numbers of dimensions that even the mindful thinking can't calculate mathematically or in any other way.

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Computers compute.. sentient beings comprehend.. Wink

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Computers compute.. sentient beings comprehend.. Wink

That's exactly the point. Animals are computers, just like AI. They happen to be extremely complex. But people at our core are capable of being masters of anything, if we would only wake up and stop calling ourselves animals.

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