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June 20, 2015, 08:07:58 AM
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Please take note that this is the second time I am posting this as the previous attempt was removed by someone with a guilty conscience – NB: I have a screen shot of this post! Huh



Hi
I just sent you the 0.025 for the leaderboard there.
The blackjack and roulette ones have been removed for now, not much traffic.

So this is so funny for me not much traffic. and yet you want to add more.... you say here,


I have just looked at partnering with Softswiss too to add over 30 new casino games within the next few weeks which I think is another good indicator that I plan on PRC being open for a long time in future.

Any case now that I can see clearly that you are totally lost in your own small little word I can’t help myself when I read all this nonsense of one guy with so many "Alt" names doing the same thing over and over and just on your dice site.. I mean really, did you think this Greystroke character will change his name and hammer poor Dean all the way? Lets start with Max payout, it is already something that I simply can’t agree with, normally dice sites will have a limit of something around 20 BTC to 40 BTC but on PRC it seems like much more than the average stinking rich kiddo will be willing to bet on a site with an average 30 to 60 active players? Perhaps Dean and all his funny buddy supporters on this forum can provide us with verification of the deposits this guy made, because many will be interested in this stats,

I mean, is this legit



That is indeed crazy. Since he is now over 300 BTC in profits, it means he is having a winning session over house and the House edge had no affect over him. I couldn't find his bets in the high roller tab, Probably these are ones he might have made in the morning.

Just to restate since a few people seemed to have missed it Wink

Across all accounts, greystroke1-greystroke6
Wagered :5734.71925196   
Profit: 219.50291864




Those are pretty sick. Nice profit again!

Don't think so!


Please help me I am lost, what is nice and what is sick, or do I miss understand this message? If I do understand it correctly how can you say something is nice but it is sick as well, all in the same sentence?

Greystroke back again with high roller bets.
He's won over 200 Bitcoin now across all accounts!

This is now the point where I start laughing, did anyone notice the "Proud" announcement by Dean, He's won over 200 Bitcoin now across all accounts!

Hang on there is more...


Aaaand he's back with quick 6 bets:

The luck is still on his side, even know he got more adventurous betting ~179 at 88%. I wish him all the best.


HE IS BACK... Hahaha he was there all the time

So where was I, O yes Dean I believe you trying to sell your site, hope that includes the 30 new games you going to add, I would be interested if the price and players is right... and like LFC_Bitcoin noticed, if a rich guy or two will support me and then lose almost all in one roll


What the hell, who is this crazy rich guy? He must have a massive stash of bitcoin to be able to bet like that?
Why have I not been in this thread before, I love hearing stories like this, that guy must have balls of steel.
This casino looks awesome, you can win 263 bitcoin from one roll?
Damn I need to get myself involved in this place Cheesy

So I agree with LFC_Bitcoin


When investment option will be enabled again?

Since greystroke has been winning so much I have allowed investment on all accounts again.

I limited it to accounts with ID < 60000 a month or so ago as I felt there was enough invested.

But the way he's betting and winning who knows if some of the current investors will pull out or not.

Dean, You are a real soap opera star...anyone can see this. Nobody will pull out because this has them believing they can make a fortune Hahaha


siwakotisaurav, first of all you have to realize that PRC is an investor site, so if PRC is doing that it's not just faking stats but directly stealing huge amounts from the investors (much more serious.) But yes, in the end "provably fair" does not exist for investors and therefor the site owner could do this technically. Personally I would trust the owner not to do this since he has been around for 2+ years, is holding 3,620 investor coins (see cold wallet) and seems to be very trustworthy to me. Rationally, I would also imagine a site owner would steal in a much more discreet way. But in theory it's possible for sure.



That being said, the big gambler himself have claimed to be mechs/fuckit. He is a legendary gambler that bet with the same style on Just-Dice for even bigger amounts: see here. He started with 1767 BTC at 92% for 134 BTC wins. And his last bet was a massive 7016 BTC bet at 96% that he lost. His reaction after he lost? "ah well". (full log) Actually by that time during the bets I am sure there were some people accusing him to be dooglus Tongue (till he lost I guess :x) Anyway, I don't think there is real proof that this guy is mechs, but he claimed it himself and his betstyle + way of chatting, does seem like it.

legendary gambler my ass, anyone can be anyone in the Bitcoin world... so if my gambling name is Michael Jackson, will that make me a legendary singer that gambles? Then I can change my name to Dean and gamble on any other site and people will assume I am an asshole.. or hufflepuff for that matter and make me "Return of the feared gambler" in the mean time I am just CrazyKiddo, who will ever know who I really am? Any case mechs/fuckit can be any one, even Dean Hahahaha

Furthermore though, Dean has one of two ploys going here. He has either realised noo one is going to by his site and is scamming his investors with this so called high roller, to maximise what he can get out or he is “creating” stats for upselling to get his site sold. Either way there is no possibility that this filthy rich player is anybody but Dean himself. Seemingly we can’t verify his existence unless (again) Dean is willing to show verifiable evidence
 
Sorry for the downtime.

If you were on the chat hours after the last big bet you would have noticed the bets crawled to a halt with extreme lag.
This is what I'm trying to resolve now.

Having a lot of trouble with server though and it's things I can't actually speed up (at the mercy of database processes here).
Going to try creating a new server and restoring database from back up.

No data or funds will be lost. You can still see cold wallet with ~2300 Bitcoin in it that you will be able to withdraw as soon as the site is back up if you choose, https://blockchain.info/address/1FhxjhFb1YudGC1vtV4FuLpQc2uHzq3XFd

If you really need a cashout or anything email admin@pocketrocketscasino.com.

I'll come back here every 3-4 hours with an update but hope it won't take that long anyway.

Again sorry for the inconvenience. Back asap.

bullshitters will be bullshitters and they will do anything to cover their asses, so while most of the so called back up’s are in progress and getting things hidden and reviled and archived, the best solution is to throttle your dice site to make it slower and do the necessary things to cover and reveal false statements. I mean really, the site was down again this morning,
So far this has created massive Hype for PRC but even a complete noob can look at these screenshots and bets and be suspicious. My only wonder is how some of the more reputable forum members here were taken in by this. I said earlier that this is some form of scam, either in an attempt to steal as much as possible from the investors (and lure in a few extras just to add some more icing) or is purely (unethical) marketing so he can sell the site to someone thinking they will make it big.

If this is all so genuine, he should at least show us the deposit tx of greystroke/defeated/god/lovehina. There should be thousands of Bitcoins deposits made in the last several days. It think that is a reasonable concern to ask about.
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June 20, 2015, 08:17:32 AM
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Hey,

I believe lovehina/defeted's address is 1H7rHqFhmZnh6PBYKJso1YHAAFMEkQE6DM

I was unable to find other high rollers addy that was betting thousands of btc per bet, but even if there is addy you still couldn't prove anything. If Dean wanted to scam the investors he could have normally deposited to hes account to make it less suspicious. My point is that at the end of the day there is no way to prove if Dean scammed investors or if the bets were all legit.


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June 20, 2015, 08:20:03 AM
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Lmao, what are you guys talking about Tongue

The site profit has never been higher, it would be really literally dean giving away $150k to his investors. (How is that scamming the investors?) I cannot see how people think this is logical. Or just for some stats, really? xD

But yeh, you can just watch the cold wallet address and see where the big deposits coming from Smiley For example I am fairly sure this is the depo addy of god/lovehina https://blockchain.info/address/15CCgURM6FSs98ThtzU2DjvnTc2JCWoKzT as it is connected to some earlier withdrawals of "defeated" account (and seems to be correct based on the bets/loss he has.) If I am correct we can probably see that 528 BTC going to the public cold wallet later today.

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June 20, 2015, 08:26:02 AM
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If you tried to fake these thousand coins bets wouldn't you scare your investors away lol. Doesn't make sense to me  Cool

Agreed with you these fake bets with hundred of coins these kind of scary bets worry sign about big investors once they see profit dropped suddenly by these fake bets

Dont jump into conclusion yet as this is none fake bets I would say. Basically it is pointless for Dean to fake a bets as it will only scare a potential investor. Also that you should know that Dean profitted himself from the investor as well so no point for him to fake such large bet. Even if he decided to "steal" from the investor , it will be much better for him to do it a smaller wager

amount of these bets are really out sense

Just because you never saw such huge bets, it doesnt mean that it is a fake bets. Considering mech is an old time gambler then 1k BTC is really a small amount for him

If I am correct we can probably see that 528 BTC going to the public cold wallet later today.

If this is the same guy as greystoke then the site has gain quite a lot of profit from him


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June 20, 2015, 08:26:41 AM
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Lmao, what are you guys talking about Tongue

The site profit has never been higher, it would be really literally dean giving away $150k to his investors. (How is that scamming the investors?) I cannot see how people think this is logical. Or just for some stats, really? xD

But yeh, you can just watch the cold wallet address and see where the big deposits coming from Smiley For example I am fairly sure this is the depo addy of god/lovehina https://blockchain.info/address/15CCgURM6FSs98ThtzU2DjvnTc2JCWoKzT as it is connected to some earlier withdrawals of "defeated" account (and seems to be correct based on the bets/loss he has.) If I am correct we can probably see that 528 BTC going to the public cold wallet later today.

They seem like trolls or maybe they're just trying to boost their post count by having seemingly legit posts.
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trafficolaa and crazykiddo are clearly trolls, finnile or competing site shills (probably dadice).

Any future posts by them will be deleted, I'll leave the existing ones so you can see the incoherent nonsensical rambling and judge for yourself.

Everyone knows PRC is legit. Faking stats is impossible since all bets ever made are public. Many people have scraped the database and made backups so I can't change or fake anything.

Also for me to lose all that money to fake stats would be the most stupid thing possible. Dooglus has said that on a thread, reddit and in PRC chat. Losing 1000's just to get top of NLNicos site? (great site btw).
You do know all that money goes to investors?

Unlike some stupid site that doesn't respect users privacy there is no way I would give random trolls deposit addresses of multiple players.

Also, proof of funds. https://blockchain.info/address/1FhxjhFb1YudGC1vtV4FuLpQc2uHzq3XFd

When I was looking to sell PRC I had some other ideas that I wanted to look into.
People in PRC chat know this. Some included a Bitcoin bank and a sports exchange.
I never got the offers I was happy to accept, the best offer was around 2000 Bitcoin. You can see the site has made more than that in last 10 months so I'm not going to sell for that price obviously.
The site would only have been sold to someone who can provide 100% of bankroll, not have invest option, otherwise they would have a hard time making their money back.

So after spending a month or two looking for buyers and researching other things I'm back focusing on PRC. Which I think investors and players are more happy with anyway.

Expect to see god things over the next few months.

Not got much else to say on this.

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Hello Dean i am not part of any other dice i am just a regular player of dice site so my intention does not to troll about PRC, i like every provably fair because that was just a question and thanks to clarify the situation about these high amount of bets and i appreciate it and making the statement about to clear the doubt regarding this, sorry if you get me in wrong side and i hope you will understand my situation for this, 
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Hello Dean i am not part of any other dice i am just a regular player of dice site so my intention does not to troll about PRC, i like every provably fair because that was just a question and thanks to clarify the situation about these high amount of bets and i appreciate it and making the statement about to clear the doubt regarding this, sorry if you get me in wrong side and i hope you will understand my situation for this, 

What exactly are you asking? If he lost 800+ of his own bitcoins to investors in a crazy publicity stunt?
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I guess he just only saw 1 screenshot and didn't see the full "story" :p No worries IMO Smiley (TBH I read his first reply like 5 times and still don't really understand what he said, but ah well xd)

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I really like the color contrast.  It makes it really easy to see everything.    Especially when playing cards for multiple hours at a time, it's real easy on the eyes.

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So insane this betting, profit down to ~500 BTC then up to ~2300 BTC  Shocked

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Hello Dean i am not part of any other dice i am just a regular player of dice site so my intention does not to troll about PRC, i like every provably fair because that was just a question and thanks to clarify the situation about these high amount of bets and i appreciate it and making the statement about to clear the doubt regarding this, sorry if you get me in wrong side and i hope you will understand my situation for this, 

OK I apologise.
I just seen a few users post at the same time and to be honest maybe misinterpreted your post.

Glad you feel it's cleared up.

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Hi guys,

Who do you know/recommend, if anyone at all, as someone independent from prc who I can email with details about some rolls on prc who would look into it - I cant seem to get them to verify using the link in their site?

Thanks


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Hi guys,

Who do you know/recommend, if anyone at all, as someone independent from prc who I can email with details about some rolls on prc who would look into it - I cant seem to get them to verify using the link in their site?

Thanks



I already emailed, and replied to your follow up on how to verify. You are copying the seed wrong, I sent you what it should be. They verify OK for me and match the image you sent.

That site is a site owned/run by a trusted 3rd party forum member NLNico.

Try again with what I messaged you, you will see they match.

Thanks


EDIT:
So anyone can help you verify when I'm not here.
This is the image with the rolls he made https://imgur.com/kbdhvDb

The client seed is gMJ3gBNl36
Server seed is 3u4McEAe4IjnLEzf3tBS42eImzOHG1Aln73i4a6EWGYBdP90zMX9V0TvylD1a5DxsTVxhtLCaqVB4L2 PsauRphM=

Last nonce is 132 and start was 32

Direct link to use NLNicos site
http://dicesites.com/pocketrocketscasino/verifier?ss=3u4McEAe4IjnLEzf3tBS42eImzOHG1Aln73i4a6EWGYBdP90zMX9V0TvylD1a5DxsTVxhtLCaqVB4L2PsauRphM%3D&cs=gMJ3gBNl36&ln=132&n=32

Thanks

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Hi guys,

Who do you know/recommend, if anyone at all, as someone independent from prc who I can email with details about some rolls on prc who would look into it - I cant seem to get them to verify using the link in their site?

Thanks



I already emailed, and replied to your follow up on how to verify. You are copying the seed wrong, I sent you what it should be. They verify OK for me and match the image you sent.

That site is a site owned/run by a trusted 3rd party forum member NLNico.

Try again with what I messaged you, you will see they match.

Thanks


EDIT:
So anyone can help you verify when I'm not here.
This is the image with the rolls he made https://imgur.com/kbdhvDb

The client seed is gMJ3gBNl36
Server seed is 3u4McEAe4IjnLEzf3tBS42eImzOHG1Aln73i4a6EWGYBdP90zMX9V0TvylD1a5DxsTVxhtLCaqVB4L2 PsauRphM=

Last nonce is 132 and start was 32

Direct link to use NLNicos site
http://dicesites.com/pocketrocketscasino/verifier?ss=3u4McEAe4IjnLEzf3tBS42eImzOHG1Aln73i4a6EWGYBdP90zMX9V0TvylD1a5DxsTVxhtLCaqVB4L2PsauRphM%3D&cs=gMJ3gBNl36&ln=132&n=32

Thanks


But that says:

"
Result
We generated a different server seed hash:

226CD6493C707488D23DF4283A0DA92A2E30AFA2DCAA093A37C7ABEEC6B560A59F2BA60F80B60B2 3AA680E090386613BAA68C4E166CE3DDF4F7039442C2EBA6E

This means the rolls generated below might be NOT correct. Check if the server seed and hash you provided are correct. If not, contact the site owner or ask others for help.
"

What does this mean???


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It's all good. I trust NLNico who has looked into it.
All re a 'space'.

Smiley


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It's all good. I trust NLNico who has looked into it.
All re a 'space'.

Smiley



From what I've seen on other sites, people usually make the mistake of putting the server seed hash in the place where the actual seed is supposed to be, and then freak out that its not verifying. Glad you were able to make it work.

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June 21, 2015, 08:05:10 AM
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Dean, I've noticed blackjack and roulette have a different provably fair mechanism than dice - one without nonces. Why is that? I think its quite impractical to have to note a hash before EVERY hand in order to verify all my plays. A nonce based system is the solution to this problem, and since you have already implemented it on dice, why not use it on blackjack also?

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June 22, 2015, 02:39:38 AM
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If I invested in your site say 0.1 how much would I expect back in 24 hours?

No one will be able to give you an estimate. All depends on players' luck.

You should always see such investment as a long-term thing, sometimes very long term.

It not only depends on the players' luck, but also the total wagered amount on the site, the % of your investment in the bankroll and your risk setting.

Actually you can give an estimate on average, this table shows the PRCDice bank is turned over every 2 days. With a 0.9% investors edge investors should gain 0.45% in 24 hours. Of Course the result in any given 24 hours varies wildly but that is the theoretical average since the 1st of October. I have not yet had a think about how leveraging and different kelly settings will affect this but it will.

More valuably the table shows how much investors have really made in the last 93 days is 39.49% which is 0.42% per day.

So with more than 3 plus months of data the theoretical return for 24 hours is 0.45% and the actual return is 0.42%. I'll call that a pretty good estimate ON AVERAGE, in any one given day you can't say Smiley lots good stats here by the way

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If you want to figure how how much the site makes, take the daily volume and multiply it by 1%, that should be the average daily profit. Sometimes it's more, sometimes less, you will probably have large swings, but on average it is one percent of the volume wagered.

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