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July 21, 2012, 11:46:09 AM
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Posting this here, since there is no "consipracy" section.

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Colorado suspect
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James Eagen Holmes
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The son of a nurse, Arlene, and a software company manager, Robert
http://news.yahoo.com/colorado-suspect-brilliant-science-student-230349806.html

Father is a senior manager/scientist for FICO?  (though should be Jr. instead of Sr.?)
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Robert M. Holmes Sr. is a senior scientist in the San Diego office of FICO.
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/jul/20/quiet-unassuming-and-deadly-san-diegan-accused-mas/

Robert Holmes' Linkedin profile, bearing an obvious resemblance to suspect James Holmes (my bolding):
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Senior Lead Scientist at Fair Isaac Corporation
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My experience over the last 10 years at HNC and FICO has been in develping predictive models for financial services; credit & fraud risk models,first and third party application fraud models and internet/online banking fraud models.
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/robert-holmes/4/47b/24a

Looks like the same guy?
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James Holmes' Father (Robert Holmes) Arrives in Colorado
http://www.starpulse.com/news/TMZ/2012/07/20/james_holmes_father_arrives_in_colorad

Before joining FICO, Robert Holmes was a Senior Scientist at HNC Software:
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Fair Isaac, headquartered in Minneapolis, entered the anti-fraud business in 2002 by acquiring San Diego's HNC Software in an $810 million deal.

HNC brought with it a form of artificial intelligence, neural network technology that mimics the workings of the human brain so that computers can learn much the same way that humans do. Neural networks use a set of computer processing elements, or nodes, that are modeled after neurons in the brain. Like humans, the network can learn from experience.

At the time of the acquisition, HNC's Falcon brand software was in widespread use protecting credit cards worldwide from fraudulent transactions. Now, at least one out of two credit cards is protected by the software that was created at HNC.
http://www.utsandiego.com/uniontrib/20050218/news_1b18fair.html

Basically, the shooting suspect's father seems to have had a major role in creating and maintaining the anti-fraud software used by FICO, which detects fraud on half the credit cards in the world.  Odds are he is familiar with Bitcoin.

If we go a little further:
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US consumer agency to supervise credit reporting companies
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bringing the industry under strict federal supervision for the first time.
http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/07/16/financial-regulation-cfpb-idINL2E8IDGGZ20120716

The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, created in part by Sen. Charles Schumer (D-NY):
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historic bureau, one that I and several members of the Committee fought hard for
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/clip/3033493

Bitcoin detractor:
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Two senators are pressing federal authorities to crack down on an online black market and "untraceable" digital currency known as Bitcoins
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/08/us-financial-bitcoins-idUSTRE7573T320110608

And co-author of the (now repealed) assault weapons ban:
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A panel of six highly decorated law enforcement officers from around the country, appeared before the House Subcommittee on Crime yesterday, offering testimony in favor of repealing the assault weapons ban. Their testimony provoked fire from Rep. Charles Schumer (D-NY), who has maintained that the ban is widely supported by law enforcement. Rep. Schumer spearheaded the assault weapons ban last year when he was chairman of the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime.

Rep. Schumer criticized one witness, a disabled former Marine who was awarded nine decorations for his service in Vietnam, for displaying his medals. After the witness left the room, the congressman tried to discredit the officer by claiming that a "real hero" would not need such a display to prove his heroism.

The witness, master Officer Craig Roberts, who has worked for the past 25 years in the Tulsa, Oklahoma Police Department, drew the congressman's fire by disputing the effectiveness of the assault weapons ban in protecting either the police or the public. Officer Roberts testified that, "It has been my experience that enacting laws that restrict the ownership or right to bear firearms does not help the police, nor does it help keep citizens safe." Refuting the contention that the gun ban had the backing of law enforcement, Officer Roberts told the subcommittee members that "rank-and-file officers do not support this federal attack on the people's right to bear arms -- even so-called assault weapons." Speaking from personal experience, the former Marine told subcommittee members: "I've faced the muzzle end of _real_ assault weapons, and I learned the hard way -- to fear the man, not the device."
http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/schumer.speech.html

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July 21, 2012, 12:51:16 PM
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What link a you making to BTC?
Other than his father maybe knowing about it?

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Looks like the same guy?

Though it's possible this guy is his father,
It's very unfair to involve him until you have established the link.
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July 21, 2012, 01:03:55 PM
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What link a you making to BTC?
Other than his father maybe knowing about it?

That's it, for now.  We'll see if anything else pops up.

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Though it's possible this guy is his father,
It's very unfair to involve him until you have established the link.

Really?  Obviously if more info surfaces, I will delete this.  But they have the same name (minus the Jr./Sr.), same workplace, same job title, a resemblance to both the suspect and the photo of the father.  The one thing I left out was this article, which goes into the family history and mentions a "tradition" of attending York Academy, and which matches the probable graduation year on the Linkedin resume:

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His uncle, James Holmes, after whom he was apparently named and who lives in the family's Carmel home, graduated in 1967. His father, Robert Holmes Jr., graduated in 1969.
http://www.mercurynews.com/central-coast/ci_21124709/accused-colorado-shooter-is-grandson-decorated-veteran-has

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July 21, 2012, 01:16:36 PM
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Really?  Obviously if more info surfaces, I will delete this.  But they have the same name (minus the Jr./Sr.), same workplace, same job title, a resemblance to both the suspect and the photo of the father.  The one thing I left out was this article, which goes into the family history and mentions a "tradition" of attending York Academy, and which matches the probable graduation year on the Linkedin resume:

I agree with you that it seems very likely he's the father, you should make sure before putting this out there.
If just one person picked up this rumour and posted it somewhere else you will have no control over deleting it.
The fact that it's likely gives it all the more chance to spread.
Rumours mutate quickly so by the time it reaches people that know this guy,
it just needs to say, he's in some way related, to stick.

That is something he would never be able to disprove:
prove to me you're not related to George Bush.
I've given you an advantage here by actually telling you to disprove it,
rather than just saying it behind your back like what will happen to this guy.
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July 21, 2012, 01:20:13 PM
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Fake story, fake shooter, fake victims.

The Colorado shooting reads just like every other false flag the media has carried out.
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July 21, 2012, 01:20:55 PM
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Okay "Taz".  Let's do it this way, since you don't seem to have read all of the sources.  Why don't you point out to me which connection you believe to be tenuous, since I'm not sure exactly who you mean when you say "he".  Keep in mind, regardless of which you choose, I have linked a news source that makes the connection.  There is no original research here.

Also, apparently, same address:
http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/news-ticker/2012/jul/20/holmess-father-is-anti-fraud-scientist/

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July 21, 2012, 01:25:36 PM
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So he may have heard of bitcoin? So?

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Fake story, fake shooter, fake victims.

The Colorado shooting reads just like every other false flag the media has carried out.
Paranoid much?

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July 21, 2012, 01:28:08 PM
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Maybe the father knows something and told his son. Something so terrible, that it drove him mad. What is going on?!?!?!

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July 21, 2012, 01:30:49 PM
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Okay "Taz".  Let's do it this way, since you don't seem to have read all of the sources.  Why don't you point out to me which connection you believe to be tenuous, since I'm not sure exactly who you mean when you say "he".  Keep in mind, regardless of which you choose, I have linked a news source that makes the connection.  There is no original research here.

Hey everyone! benjamindees is related to George Bush!
Nah, just saying don't link this guy as the father till you prove it.

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Fake story, fake shooter, fake victims.

The Colorado shooting reads just like every other false flag the media has carried out.

I think the have regulations making all furniture legs sharp and pointy in order to slowly cripple the masses.
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July 21, 2012, 01:34:03 PM
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Maybe he was the bitcoinica hacker but his father tracked him down using secret government technology that engineers the blockchain to link transactions to mobile phone signals emitting from around the relay IP addresses.  Obviously his father confronted him with his evidence and he went crazy.

All the pieces are slotting together. Surely it couldn't just be a deranged person with access to weapons. There must something bigger going on!

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July 21, 2012, 01:43:01 PM
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Posting this here, since there is no "consipracy" section.

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Colorado suspect
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James Eagen Holmes
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The son of a nurse, Arlene, and a software company manager, Robert
http://news.yahoo.com/colorado-suspect-brilliant-science-student-230349806.html

Father is a senior manager/scientist for FICO?  (though should be Jr. instead of Sr.?)
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Robert M. Holmes Sr. is a senior scientist in the San Diego office of FICO.
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/jul/20/quiet-unassuming-and-deadly-san-diegan-accused-mas/

Robert Holmes' Linkedin profile, bearing an obvious resemblance to suspect James Holmes (my bolding):
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Senior Lead Scientist at Fair Isaac Corporation
...
My experience over the last 10 years at HNC and FICO has been in develping predictive models for financial services; credit & fraud risk models,first and third party application fraud models and internet/online banking fraud models.
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/robert-holmes/4/47b/24a

Looks like the same guy?
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James Holmes' Father (Robert Holmes) Arrives in Colorado
http://www.starpulse.com/news/TMZ/2012/07/20/james_holmes_father_arrives_in_colorad

Before joining FICO, Robert Holmes was a Senior Scientist at HNC Software:
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Fair Isaac, headquartered in Minneapolis, entered the anti-fraud business in 2002 by acquiring San Diego's HNC Software in an $810 million deal.

HNC brought with it a form of artificial intelligence, neural network technology that mimics the workings of the human brain so that computers can learn much the same way that humans do. Neural networks use a set of computer processing elements, or nodes, that are modeled after neurons in the brain. Like humans, the network can learn from experience.

At the time of the acquisition, HNC's Falcon brand software was in widespread use protecting credit cards worldwide from fraudulent transactions. Now, at least one out of two credit cards is protected by the software that was created at HNC.
http://www.utsandiego.com/uniontrib/20050218/news_1b18fair.html

Basically, the shooting suspect's father seems to have had a major role in creating and maintaining the anti-fraud software used by FICO, which detects fraud on half the credit cards in the world.  Odds are he is familiar with Bitcoin.

If we go a little further:
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US consumer agency to supervise credit reporting companies
...
bringing the industry under strict federal supervision for the first time.
http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/07/16/financial-regulation-cfpb-idINL2E8IDGGZ20120716

The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, created in part by Sen. Charles Schumer (D-NY):
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historic bureau, one that I and several members of the Committee fought hard for
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/clip/3033493

Bitcoin detractor:
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Two senators are pressing federal authorities to crack down on an online black market and "untraceable" digital currency known as Bitcoins
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/08/us-financial-bitcoins-idUSTRE7573T320110608

And co-author of the (now repealed) assault weapons ban:
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A panel of six highly decorated law enforcement officers from around the country, appeared before the House Subcommittee on Crime yesterday, offering testimony in favor of repealing the assault weapons ban. Their testimony provoked fire from Rep. Charles Schumer (D-NY), who has maintained that the ban is widely supported by law enforcement. Rep. Schumer spearheaded the assault weapons ban last year when he was chairman of the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime.

Rep. Schumer criticized one witness, a disabled former Marine who was awarded nine decorations for his service in Vietnam, for displaying his medals. After the witness left the room, the congressman tried to discredit the officer by claiming that a "real hero" would not need such a display to prove his heroism.

The witness, master Officer Craig Roberts, who has worked for the past 25 years in the Tulsa, Oklahoma Police Department, drew the congressman's fire by disputing the effectiveness of the assault weapons ban in protecting either the police or the public. Officer Roberts testified that, "It has been my experience that enacting laws that restrict the ownership or right to bear firearms does not help the police, nor does it help keep citizens safe." Refuting the contention that the gun ban had the backing of law enforcement, Officer Roberts told the subcommittee members that "rank-and-file officers do not support this federal attack on the people's right to bear arms -- even so-called assault weapons." Speaking from personal experience, the former Marine told subcommittee members: "I've faced the muzzle end of _real_ assault weapons, and I learned the hard way -- to fear the man, not the device."
http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/schumer.speech.html

The only info I can find on the "shooter" is stuff the media has just put out about him and other people linking to those same stories.

Other than that, he's never existed. This whole story is BULLSHIT. So far, all the victims seem to be fake too.
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July 21, 2012, 10:19:13 PM
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Yeah... and the shots too Roll Eyes http://aloha.pk/index.php?topic=849.0

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July 21, 2012, 10:43:30 PM
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So he may have heard of bitcoin? So?

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Fake story, fake shooter, fake victims.

The Colorado shooting reads just like every other false flag the media has carried out.
Paranoid much?

If you watch those "witness testimonies" from "Jennifer Seeger" and "Chris Ramos" and can't tell those are just horribly shitty acting jobs - I don't know what to tell you.
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July 21, 2012, 10:56:41 PM
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If you watch those "witness testimonies" from "Jennifer Seeger" and "Chris Ramos" and can't tell those are just horribly shitty acting jobs - I don't know what to tell you.

Internet has just left you expecting video evidence for everything.

How did they organise it so that only people involved in the roose showed up?
If some G-men turned up at your place of work offering $$$ to pretend you saw something,
would it work, or would that idiot in the next office ruin it by opening his big yap?

There will be plenty of digging into his past and finding of people that know him,
Just wait another day or two.
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July 21, 2012, 11:23:14 PM
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If you watch those "witness testimonies" from "Jennifer Seeger" and "Chris Ramos" and can't tell those are just horribly shitty acting jobs - I don't know what to tell you.

Internet has just left you expecting video evidence for everything.

How did they organise it so that only people involved in the roose showed up?
If some G-men turned up at your place of work offering $$$ to pretend you saw something,
would it work, or would that idiot in the next office ruin it by opening his big yap?

There will be plenty of digging into his past and finding of people that know him,
Just wait another day or two.

Umm...more like only people involved in the ruse were interviewed, and then repeatedly aired over and over.
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July 21, 2012, 11:26:58 PM
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sooo... bitcoin made him do it?

poop!
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July 21, 2012, 11:54:02 PM
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sooo... bitcoin made him do it?

shhhhh!! Don't give the media any ideas!!
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July 22, 2012, 12:03:50 AM
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Fake story, fake shooter, fake victims.

The Colorado shooting reads just like every other false flag the media has carried out.

The only info I can find on the "shooter" is stuff the media has just put out about him and other people linking to those same stories.

Other than that, he's never existed. This whole story is BULLSHIT. So far, all the victims seem to be fake too.

Dude. Are you trolling, are you just that crazy?
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July 22, 2012, 12:49:35 AM
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Fake story, fake shooter, fake victims.

The Colorado shooting reads just like every other false flag the media has carried out.

Go eat a bucket of cancer you fucktard. 

This happened right near me, I have acquaintances that were there and got shot at, ive seen the evacuees of his apartment complex (which they detonated earlier today)...this affected me, my freinds, and family directly.

So, from everyone here in Colorado, fuck you, you awful piece of shit.
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This story has been rubbing me the wrong way as well. I think its just this undertone of glee the media seems to have in reporting on it though.
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