Possible Bitcoin connection to Colorado shooting?

[benjamindees]

Posting this here, since there is no "consipracy" section.

Colorado suspect
...
James Eagen Holmes
...
The son of a nurse, Arlene, and a software company manager, Robert

http://news.yahoo.com/colorado-suspect-brilliant-science-student-230349806.html

Father is a senior manager/scientist for FICO?  (though should be Jr. instead of Sr.?)

Robert M. Holmes Sr. is a senior scientist in the San Diego office of FICO.

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/jul/20/quiet-unassuming-and-deadly-san-diegan-accused-mas/

Robert Holmes' Linkedin profile, bearing an obvious resemblance to suspect James Holmes (my bolding):

Senior Lead Scientist at Fair Isaac Corporation
...
My experience over the last 10 years at HNC and FICO has been in develping predictive models for financial services; credit & fraud risk models,first and third party application fraud models and internet/online banking fraud models.

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/robert-holmes/4/47b/24a

Looks like the same guy?

James Holmes' Father (Robert Holmes) Arrives in Colorado

http://www.starpulse.com/news/TMZ/2012/07/20/james_holmes_father_arrives_in_colorad

Before joining FICO, Robert Holmes was a Senior Scientist at HNC Software:

Fair Isaac, headquartered in Minneapolis, entered the anti-fraud business in 2002 by acquiring San Diego's HNC Software in an $810 million deal.

HNC brought with it a form of artificial intelligence, neural network technology that mimics the workings of the human brain so that computers can learn much the same way that humans do. Neural networks use a set of computer processing elements, or nodes, that are modeled after neurons in the brain. Like humans, the network can learn from experience.

At the time of the acquisition, HNC's Falcon brand software was in widespread use protecting credit cards worldwide from fraudulent transactions. Now, at least one out of two credit cards is protected by the software that was created at HNC.

http://www.utsandiego.com/uniontrib/20050218/news_1b18fair.html

Basically, the shooting suspect's father seems to have had a major role in creating and maintaining the anti-fraud software used by FICO, which detects fraud on half the credit cards in the world.  Odds are he is familiar with Bitcoin.

If we go a little further:

US consumer agency to supervise credit reporting companies
...
bringing the industry under strict federal supervision for the first time.

http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/07/16/financial-regulation-cfpb-idINL2E8IDGGZ20120716

The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, created in part by Sen. Charles Schumer (D-NY):

historic bureau, one that I and several members of the Committee fought hard for

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/clip/3033493

Bitcoin detractor:

Two senators are pressing federal authorities to crack down on an online black market and "untraceable" digital currency known as Bitcoins

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/08/us-financial-bitcoins-idUSTRE7573T320110608

And co-author of the (now repealed) assault weapons ban:

A panel of six highly decorated law enforcement officers from around the country, appeared before the House Subcommittee on Crime yesterday, offering testimony in favor of repealing the assault weapons ban. Their testimony provoked fire from Rep. Charles Schumer (D-NY), who has maintained that the ban is widely supported by law enforcement. Rep. Schumer spearheaded the assault weapons ban last year when he was chairman of the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime.

Rep. Schumer criticized one witness, a disabled former Marine who was awarded nine decorations for his service in Vietnam, for displaying his medals. After the witness left the room, the congressman tried to discredit the officer by claiming that a "real hero" would not need such a display to prove his heroism.

The witness, master Officer Craig Roberts, who has worked for the past 25 years in the Tulsa, Oklahoma Police Department, drew the congressman's fire by disputing the effectiveness of the assault weapons ban in protecting either the police or the public. Officer Roberts testified that, "It has been my experience that enacting laws that restrict the ownership or right to bear firearms does not help the police, nor does it help keep citizens safe." Refuting the contention that the gun ban had the backing of law enforcement, Officer Roberts told the subcommittee members that "rank-and-file officers do not support this federal attack on the people's right to bear arms -- even so-called assault weapons." Speaking from personal experience, the former Marine told subcommittee members: "I've faced the muzzle end of _real_ assault weapons, and I learned the hard way -- to fear the man, not the device."

http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/schumer.speech.html

[Taz]

What link a you making to BTC?
Other than his father maybe knowing about it?

Looks like the same guy?

Though it's possible this guy is his father,
It's very unfair to involve him until you have established the link.

[benjamindees]

What link a you making to BTC?
Other than his father maybe knowing about it?

That's it, for now.  We'll see if anything else pops up.

Though it's possible this guy is his father,
It's very unfair to involve him until you have established the link.

Really?  Obviously if more info surfaces, I will delete this.  But they have the same name (minus the Jr./Sr.), same workplace, same job title, a resemblance to both the suspect and the photo of the father.  The one thing I left out was this article, which goes into the family history and mentions a "tradition" of attending York Academy, and which matches the probable graduation year on the Linkedin resume:

His uncle, James Holmes, after whom he was apparently named and who lives in the family's Carmel home, graduated in 1967. His father, Robert Holmes Jr., graduated in 1969.

http://www.mercurynews.com/central-coast/ci_21124709/accused-colorado-shooter-is-grandson-decorated-veteran-has

[Taz]

Really?  Obviously if more info surfaces, I will delete this.  But they have the same name (minus the Jr./Sr.), same workplace, same job title, a resemblance to both the suspect and the photo of the father.  The one thing I left out was this article, which goes into the family history and mentions a "tradition" of attending York Academy, and which matches the probable graduation year on the Linkedin resume:

I agree with you that it seems very likely he's the father, you should make sure before putting this out there.
If just one person picked up this rumour and posted it somewhere else you will have no control over deleting it.
The fact that it's likely gives it all the more chance to spread.
Rumours mutate quickly so by the time it reaches people that know this guy,
it just needs to say, he's in some way related, to stick.

That is something he would never be able to disprove:
prove to me you're not related to George Bush.
I've given you an advantage here by actually telling you to disprove it,
rather than just saying it behind your back like what will happen to this guy.

[cryptoanarchist]

Fake story, fake shooter, fake victims.

The Colorado shooting reads just like every other false flag the media has carried out.

[benjamindees]

Okay "Taz".  Let's do it this way, since you don't seem to have read all of the sources.  Why don't you point out to me which connection you believe to be tenuous, since I'm not sure exactly who you mean when you say "he".  Keep in mind, regardless of which you choose, I have linked a news source that makes the connection.  There is no original research here.

Also, apparently, same address:
http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/news-ticker/2012/jul/20/holmess-father-is-anti-fraud-scientist/

[Scott J]

So he may have heard of bitcoin? So?

Fake story, fake shooter, fake victims.

The Colorado shooting reads just like every other false flag the media has carried out.

Paranoid much?

[cbeast]

Maybe the father knows something and told his son. Something so terrible, that it drove him mad. What is going on?!?!?!

[Taz]

Okay "Taz".  Let's do it this way, since you don't seem to have read all of the sources.  Why don't you point out to me which connection you believe to be tenuous, since I'm not sure exactly who you mean when you say "he".  Keep in mind, regardless of which you choose, I have linked a news source that makes the connection.  There is no original research here.

Hey everyone! benjamindees is related to George Bush!
Nah, just saying don't link this guy as the father till you prove it.

Fake story, fake shooter, fake victims.

The Colorado shooting reads just like every other false flag the media has carried out.

I think the have regulations making all furniture legs sharp and pointy in order to slowly cripple the masses.

[Scott J]

Maybe he was the bitcoinica hacker but his father tracked him down using secret government technology that engineers the blockchain to link transactions to mobile phone signals emitting from around the relay IP addresses.  Obviously his father confronted him with his evidence and he went crazy.

All the pieces are slotting together. Surely it couldn't just be a deranged person with access to weapons. There must something bigger going on!

[cryptoanarchist]

Posting this here, since there is no "consipracy" section.

Colorado suspect
...
James Eagen Holmes
...
The son of a nurse, Arlene, and a software company manager, Robert

http://news.yahoo.com/colorado-suspect-brilliant-science-student-230349806.html

Father is a senior manager/scientist for FICO?  (though should be Jr. instead of Sr.?)

Robert M. Holmes Sr. is a senior scientist in the San Diego office of FICO.

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/jul/20/quiet-unassuming-and-deadly-san-diegan-accused-mas/

Robert Holmes' Linkedin profile, bearing an obvious resemblance to suspect James Holmes (my bolding):

Senior Lead Scientist at Fair Isaac Corporation
...
My experience over the last 10 years at HNC and FICO has been in develping predictive models for financial services; credit & fraud risk models,first and third party application fraud models and internet/online banking fraud models.

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/robert-holmes/4/47b/24a

Looks like the same guy?

James Holmes' Father (Robert Holmes) Arrives in Colorado

http://www.starpulse.com/news/TMZ/2012/07/20/james_holmes_father_arrives_in_colorad

Before joining FICO, Robert Holmes was a Senior Scientist at HNC Software:

Fair Isaac, headquartered in Minneapolis, entered the anti-fraud business in 2002 by acquiring San Diego's HNC Software in an $810 million deal.

HNC brought with it a form of artificial intelligence, neural network technology that mimics the workings of the human brain so that computers can learn much the same way that humans do. Neural networks use a set of computer processing elements, or nodes, that are modeled after neurons in the brain. Like humans, the network can learn from experience.

At the time of the acquisition, HNC's Falcon brand software was in widespread use protecting credit cards worldwide from fraudulent transactions. Now, at least one out of two credit cards is protected by the software that was created at HNC.

http://www.utsandiego.com/uniontrib/20050218/news_1b18fair.html

Basically, the shooting suspect's father seems to have had a major role in creating and maintaining the anti-fraud software used by FICO, which detects fraud on half the credit cards in the world.  Odds are he is familiar with Bitcoin.

If we go a little further:

US consumer agency to supervise credit reporting companies
...
bringing the industry under strict federal supervision for the first time.

http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/07/16/financial-regulation-cfpb-idINL2E8IDGGZ20120716

The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, created in part by Sen. Charles Schumer (D-NY):

historic bureau, one that I and several members of the Committee fought hard for

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/clip/3033493

Bitcoin detractor:

Two senators are pressing federal authorities to crack down on an online black market and "untraceable" digital currency known as Bitcoins

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/08/us-financial-bitcoins-idUSTRE7573T320110608

And co-author of the (now repealed) assault weapons ban:

A panel of six highly decorated law enforcement officers from around the country, appeared before the House Subcommittee on Crime yesterday, offering testimony in favor of repealing the assault weapons ban. Their testimony provoked fire from Rep. Charles Schumer (D-NY), who has maintained that the ban is widely supported by law enforcement. Rep. Schumer spearheaded the assault weapons ban last year when he was chairman of the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime.

Rep. Schumer criticized one witness, a disabled former Marine who was awarded nine decorations for his service in Vietnam, for displaying his medals. After the witness left the room, the congressman tried to discredit the officer by claiming that a "real hero" would not need such a display to prove his heroism.

The witness, master Officer Craig Roberts, who has worked for the past 25 years in the Tulsa, Oklahoma Police Department, drew the congressman's fire by disputing the effectiveness of the assault weapons ban in protecting either the police or the public. Officer Roberts testified that, "It has been my experience that enacting laws that restrict the ownership or right to bear firearms does not help the police, nor does it help keep citizens safe." Refuting the contention that the gun ban had the backing of law enforcement, Officer Roberts told the subcommittee members that "rank-and-file officers do not support this federal attack on the people's right to bear arms -- even so-called assault weapons." Speaking from personal experience, the former Marine told subcommittee members: "I've faced the muzzle end of _real_ assault weapons, and I learned the hard way -- to fear the man, not the device."

http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/schumer.speech.html

The only info I can find on the "shooter" is stuff the media has just put out about him and other people linking to those same stories.

Other than that, he's never existed. This whole story is BULLSHIT. So far, all the victims seem to be fake too.

[nimda]

Yeah... and the shots too http://aloha.pk/index.php?topic=849.0

[cryptoanarchist]

So he may have heard of bitcoin? So?

Fake story, fake shooter, fake victims.

The Colorado shooting reads just like every other false flag the media has carried out.

Paranoid much?

If you watch those "witness testimonies" from "Jennifer Seeger" and "Chris Ramos" and can't tell those are just horribly shitty acting jobs - I don't know what to tell you.

[Taz]

If you watch those "witness testimonies" from "Jennifer Seeger" and "Chris Ramos" and can't tell those are just horribly shitty acting jobs - I don't know what to tell you.

Internet has just left you expecting video evidence for everything.

How did they organise it so that only people involved in the roose showed up?
If some G-men turned up at your place of work offering $$$ to pretend you saw something,
would it work, or would that idiot in the next office ruin it by opening his big yap?

There will be plenty of digging into his past and finding of people that know him,
Just wait another day or two.

[cryptoanarchist]

If you watch those "witness testimonies" from "Jennifer Seeger" and "Chris Ramos" and can't tell those are just horribly shitty acting jobs - I don't know what to tell you.

Internet has just left you expecting video evidence for everything.

How did they organise it so that only people involved in the roose showed up?
If some G-men turned up at your place of work offering $$$ to pretend you saw something,
would it work, or would that idiot in the next office ruin it by opening his big yap?

There will be plenty of digging into his past and finding of people that know him,
Just wait another day or two.

Umm...more like only people involved in the ruse were interviewed, and then repeatedly aired over and over.

[dirtycat]

sooo... bitcoin made him do it?

[cryptoanarchist]

sooo... bitcoin made him do it?

shhhhh!! Don't give the media any ideas!!

[elux]

Fake story, fake shooter, fake victims.

The Colorado shooting reads just like every other false flag the media has carried out.

The only info I can find on the "shooter" is stuff the media has just put out about him and other people linking to those same stories.

Other than that, he's never existed. This whole story is BULLSHIT. So far, all the victims seem to be fake too.

Dude. Are you trolling, are you just that crazy?

[evolve]

Fake story, fake shooter, fake victims.

The Colorado shooting reads just like every other false flag the media has carried out.

Go eat a bucket of cancer you fucktard. 

This happened right near me, I have acquaintances that were there and got shot at, ive seen the evacuees of his apartment complex (which they detonated earlier today)...this affected me, my freinds, and family directly.

So, from everyone here in Colorado, fuck you, you awful piece of shit.

[bb113]

This story has been rubbing me the wrong way as well. I think its just this undertone of glee the media seems to have in reporting on it though.

[cryptoanarchist]

Fake story, fake shooter, fake victims.

The Colorado shooting reads just like every other false flag the media has carried out.

Go eat a bucket of cancer you fucktard.  

This happened right near me, I have acquaintances that were there and got shot at, ive seen the evacuees of his apartment complex (which they detonated earlier today)...this affected me, my freinds, and family directly.

So, from everyone here in Colorado, fuck you, you awful piece of shit.

Well, I'm 100% sure that this story is pure BS, so that means you're full of it too.

If you want to give me information and say who you are and who your friends are, I'd certainly be interested though.

By the way, I lived in Denver, and know that part of Aurora pretty well myself.

[FlipPro]

Fake story, fake shooter, fake victims.

The Colorado shooting reads just like every other false flag the media has carried out.

Go eat a bucket of cancer you fucktard.  

This happened right near me, I have acquaintances that were there and got shot at, ive seen the evacuees of his apartment complex (which they detonated earlier today)...this affected me, my freinds, and family directly.

So, from everyone here in Colorado, fuck you, you awful piece of shit.

Well, I'm 100% sure that this story is pure BS, so that means you're full of it too.

If you want to give me information and say who you are and who your friends are, I'd certainly be interested though.

By the way, I lived in Denver, and know that part of Aurora pretty well myself.

We are seeing some of the worst psycho-nut BTC fan-boys in this post. We wonder why the Internet is so polluted...

Anyways this thread is FUD, there is absolutely no proof that this guy bought the ammo with BTC...

No proof.

The conspiracy nuts who say this was all fake need to get their heads checked.

[cryptoanarchist]

Fake story, fake shooter, fake victims.

The Colorado shooting reads just like every other false flag the media has carried out.

Go eat a bucket of cancer you fucktard.  

This happened right near me, I have acquaintances that were there and got shot at, ive seen the evacuees of his apartment complex (which they detonated earlier today)...this affected me, my freinds, and family directly.

So, from everyone here in Colorado, fuck you, you awful piece of shit.

Well, I'm 100% sure that this story is pure BS, so that means you're full of it too.

If you want to give me information and say who you are and who your friends are, I'd certainly be interested though.

By the way, I lived in Denver, and know that part of Aurora pretty well myself.

We are seeing some of the worst psycho-nut BTC fan-boys in this post. We wonder why the Internet is so polluted...

Anyways this thread is FUD, there is absolutely no proof that this guy bought the ammo with BTC...

No proof.

The conspiracy nuts who say this was all fake need to get their heads checked.

The people who buy pathetic acting like this need to get their heads checked:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbNlm7lEmEE ....HONESTLY!!!

Here's a vid by someone who isn't a dumb sheeple and realizes how fake "Jennifer Seeger" is:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHpOQwEirmc 

[FirstAscent]

Fake story, fake shooter, fake victims.

The Colorado shooting reads just like every other false flag the media has carried out.

Go eat a bucket of cancer you fucktard.  

This happened right near me, I have acquaintances that were there and got shot at, ive seen the evacuees of his apartment complex (which they detonated earlier today)...this affected me, my freinds, and family directly.

So, from everyone here in Colorado, fuck you, you awful piece of shit.

Well, I'm 100% sure that this story is pure BS, so that means you're full of it too.

If you want to give me information and say who you are and who your friends are, I'd certainly be interested though.

By the way, I lived in Denver, and know that part of Aurora pretty well myself.

We are seeing some of the worst psycho-nut BTC fan-boys in this post. We wonder why the Internet is so polluted...

Anyways this thread is FUD, there is absolutely no proof that this guy bought the ammo with BTC...

No proof.

The conspiracy nuts who say this was all fake need to get their heads checked.

The people who buy pathetic acting like this need to get their heads checked:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbNlm7lEmEE ....HONESTLY!!!

Here's a vid by someone who isn't a dumb sheeple and realizes how fake "Jennifer Seeger" is:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHpOQwEirmc  

I think it would be fair to say that you speak for all the AnCaps here to some degree. Let me sum up your characteristics:

- Paranoid
- Distrustful
- Irrational
- Desperately in seek of scenarios which fit your belief system
- Delusional
- In need of help

[myrkul]

My impression of every FirstAss post:

Interesting topic sentence that makes you think he might have a point:

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[finkleshnorts]

what an embarassing thread.

[FirstAscent]

what an embarassing thread.

For those who have certain political ideologies, yes. On July 1st, I wrote the following post, which I believe sums up a certain crowd here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=90847.msg1001129#msg1001129

[FirstAscent]

My impression of every FirstAss post:

Interesting topic sentence that makes you think he might have a point:

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So tell me truthfully. Does my assessment of cryptoanarchist ring true? Or do you embrace his beliefs?

Which is it?

[benjamindees]

Thanks, FirstAscent.  That post is a really good example of the way you shit all over every thread with your off-topic, anti-libertarian and personal attacks.  Frankly I'm surprised you haven't caught a ban by now.  Half of the topics in this section are dedicated to attacking libertarianism, and for some reason you still can't manage to remain confined to any of the ones where that is on-topic.  The post that immediately follows is telling:

Anyways... Back to US health care mandate (Obamacare) discussion...

[FirstAscent]

Thanks, FirstAscent.  That post is a really good example of the way you shit all over every thread with your off-topic, anti-libertarian and personal attacks.  Frankly I'm surprised you haven't caught a ban by now.  Half of the topics in this section are dedicated to attacking libertarianism, and for some reason you still can't manage to remain confined to any of the ones where that is on-topic.  The post that immediately follows is telling:

Anyways... Back to US health care mandate (Obamacare) discussion...

I believe this whole thread is a classic example of why I have the attitude I have.

EDIT: I will happily reference it whenever I need to make some points.

[evolve]

Well, I'm 100% sure that this story is pure BS, so that means you're full of it too.

If you want to give me information and say who you are and who your friends are, I'd certainly be interested though.

By the way, I lived in Denver, and know that part of Aurora pretty well myself.

I'm 100% sure that you're a fucking retarded shit-for-brains conspiracy nut who doesn't know his head from his asshole.

I could provide you all the evidence in the world and it wouldnt matter; look at truthers, birthers, and holocaust deniers...despite all evidence to the contrary, they believe in crazy shit because as conspiracy theorists, they are either unwilling or unable to think rationally and process facts. 

So no. I wont waste my time. However, I will tell you what an huge ignorant fucktard you are.

Also, please die.

[hongus]

I'm pretty sure the shooting happened because of pirate. We all know that he's running a super ponzi thats evil. And the shooting was pretty evil. There for, pirate = evil, shooting = evil, pirate = shooting. Shame on you pirate.

[myrkul]

Does the media stage "eyewitness" interviews?
Almost certainly.

Does that mean that this shooting is fake?
Not likely.

Will the media grab any event and blow it a million times out of proportion?
You bet your shiny metal ass they will.

When it comes to world events, I take everything I see on TV with a grain of salt, and everything I read on the internet (Including your posts, evolve, sorry) with two. Starting with the assumption that everyone is lying to you (or at least distorting the truth to their benefit) really helps sift out the truth.

[FlipPro]

Fake story, fake shooter, fake victims.

The Colorado shooting reads just like every other false flag the media has carried out.

Go eat a bucket of cancer you fucktard.  

This happened right near me, I have acquaintances that were there and got shot at, ive seen the evacuees of his apartment complex (which they detonated earlier today)...this affected me, my freinds, and family directly.

So, from everyone here in Colorado, fuck you, you awful piece of shit.

Well, I'm 100% sure that this story is pure BS, so that means you're full of it too.

If you want to give me information and say who you are and who your friends are, I'd certainly be interested though.

By the way, I lived in Denver, and know that part of Aurora pretty well myself.

We are seeing some of the worst psycho-nut BTC fan-boys in this post. We wonder why the Internet is so polluted...

Anyways this thread is FUD, there is absolutely no proof that this guy bought the ammo with BTC...

No proof.

The conspiracy nuts who say this was all fake need to get their heads checked.

The people who buy pathetic acting like this need to get their heads checked:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbNlm7lEmEE ....HONESTLY!!!

Here's a vid by someone who isn't a dumb sheeple and realizes how fake "Jennifer Seeger" is:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHpOQwEirmc  

Dude you are a fucking MORON.

*HONESTLY*

I wish I had the time to tell you the 1,000,000,001 reasons why....

P.S You must not be from the US for you to think this was a staged event... or not following the news properly...or just plane old fucking stupid... =\

Most likely all three.

[Bitcoin Oz]

This thread is batcoins.

[Transisto]

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The people who buy pathetic acting like this need to get their heads checked:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbNlm7lEmEE ....HONESTLY!!!

Here's a vid by someone who isn't a dumb sheeple and realizes how fake "Jennifer Seeger" is:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHpOQwEirmc  

Dude you are a fucking MORON.

*HONESTLY*

I wish I had the time to tell you the 1,000,000,001 reasons why....

P.S You must not be from the US for you to think this was a staged event... or not following the news properly...or just plane old fucking stupid... =\

Most likely all three.

Hey calm down, There has been false flags much harder to pull up that this one ... and they succeeded.

Consider yourself lucky to get viewpoints from people who don't go blindly with what the news tell you to think.  95% of US news are pure BS.  Stop listening to them if you don't want to become "plane old fucking stupid".

Ps : I do not care about this event in the slightest and I have yet to see how it has anything to do with bitcoins.

[cryptoanarchist]

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The people who buy pathetic acting like this need to get their heads checked:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbNlm7lEmEE ....HONESTLY!!!

Here's a vid by someone who isn't a dumb sheeple and realizes how fake "Jennifer Seeger" is:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHpOQwEirmc  

Dude you are a fucking MORON.

*HONESTLY*

I wish I had the time to tell you the 1,000,000,001 reasons why....

P.S You must not be from the US for you to think this was a staged event... or not following the news properly...or just plane old fucking stupid... =\

Most likely all three.

Hey calm down, There has been false flags much harder to pull up that this one ... and they succeeded.

Consider yourself lucky to get viewpoints from people who don't go blindly with what the news tell you to think.  95% of US news are pure BS.  Stop listening to them if you don't want to become "plane old fucking stupid".

Ps : I do not care about this event in the slightest and I have yet to see how it has anything to do with bitcoins.

"plane old fucking stupid"....LOL...FlipPro, better to stay quiet and let people assume you're stupid, then to start typing and remove all doubt.

Not only am I from Colorado but I used to work in the area of the shooting. What makes this obvious is the piss-poor acting by the "witnesses" above, but you really have to be able to understand how controlled the media is. Your paradigm is still "They said it on TV - it MUST be true."

You haven't yet come to the understanding that the news isn't biased - they completely make shit up!

Not only is it likely that this was staged, its a slam dunk that it was.

1. Obviously fake witnesses re-used over and over again (see above)
2. Constantly changing storyline (at one point it was 14 dead, another it was 12 - do cops not know how to count to 14??)
3. Only one cell phone video. You're "just plane stupid" if you think that a shooting could happen at a movie theater and only ONE cellphone video would surface a day after - there would be DOZENS - at least.
4. Shooter is supposedly unemployed loner, but manages to acquire ~$20K worth of shit for killing spree.
5. Shooter is determined to "just kill anyone", but then just surrenders to police?!?!
6. No clear timeline has been put forth by ANY news outlet about what happened between the time he came through the emergency door and started shooting, and the 10 minutes later MIN. that the cops actually showed up.
7. Oh yeah - no security cam footage AT ALL?!?!?
8. The re-use of the same cell phone video over and over by different networks (aren't they supposed to be competitors?)
9. The use of the same footage and pictures in general used across all networks
10, The lack of any other victim photos or footage. (All we see is the same black guy in a B&W striped shirt(pretty masonic, huh?) with fake blood on him..from the same overused cell phone footage.
10. Mr Sullivan's kid supposedly died, and he showed up with only a black and white print out of his face to show the cops??
11. Girl is seen smiling in back of one of staged "grief" photos
12. Fake victim "Jennifer Ghawi" is supposedly an aspiring sports journalist, but has only a blog with all of TWO entries in it to show as any proof of her previous existence. Oh and a twitter where she conveniently tweeted she was going to see the movie.

...need more?


She's smiling cause she knows people are gonna buy this shit

[AndrewBUD]

He could have bought those guns and ammo from the SilkRoad armory.... Most silkroaders don't like the idea of selling guns and ammo...... We just want to enjoy some intoxicants once and a while, not become a gangster....

[cryptoanarchist]

He could have bought those guns and ammo from the SilkRoad armory.... Most silkroaders don't like the idea of selling guns and ammo...... We just want to enjoy some intoxicants once and a while, not become a gangster....

Ok, let's pretend there is some evidence that "James Holmes" is actually a real person.

Instead of magically coming up with $20K for gear, he spent $40K on SR?!?

Pretty good work for a loner with no job. Maybe he was invested in pirate bonds? 

[AndrewBUD]

umm... Dad is a scientist probably makes good money...


Have you ever been on the Silkroad armory? The prices are actually sometimes better then what you would expect street prices to be...


I can purchase a glock 9mm for 300 ish...... not that I would.... I have no interested in firearms....

[Taz]

Ok, let's pretend there is some evidence that "James Holmes" is actually a real person.

Instead of magically coming up with $20K for gear, he spent $40K on SR?!?

Pretty good work for a loner with no job. Maybe he was invested in pirate bonds? 

Yeah, he probably used magic, or maybe he saved for it, got some from his family, maybe stole it, or received it as a grant from the National Institutes of Health.

But most likely he used magic, like the classic philosophers stone routine.

[elux]

You haven't yet come to the understanding that the news isn't biased - they completely make shit up!

How do I put this? You dismiss a terrifying crime by inventing an impossible conspiracy.

I don't know what compels you to dismiss the consensus of reality as a maleficient web of lies,
but it sure sounds like you are at risk of developing serious, debilitating, degenerative illness.

Every man need not be an enemy, every seeming fact need not hide a lie.

[cryptoanarchist]

You haven't yet come to the understanding that the news isn't biased - they completely make shit up!

How do I put this? You dismiss a terrifying crime by inventing an impossible conspiracy.

I don't know what compels you to dismiss the consensus of reality as a maleficient web of lies,
but it sure sounds like you are at risk of developing serious, debilitating, degenerative illness.

Every man need not be an enemy, every seeming fact need not hide a lie.

Right. Instead of actually arguing the merits you jump to ad hominem and assumption. Good Job.

[Taz]

Let's say you're the sane one here,
What would be the point of it?

If they wanted to disarm the people they could just introduce more legislation without discussion, they do it all the time.
If they wanted more people with guns they would create some form of home invasion.

All this sensation will do is draw up more aggressive opinion on both sides of the fence.
What are these evil geniuses trying to do?

[AndrewBUD]

Control the sheeple?

[cryptoanarchist]

Let's say you're the sane one here,
What would be the point of it?

If they wanted to disarm the people they could just introduce more legislation without discussion, they do it all the time.
If they wanted more people with guns they would create some form of home invasion.

All this sensation will do is draw up more aggressive opinion on both sides of the fence.
What are these evil geniuses trying to do?

Sheeple like my mom start thinking that smart white dudes that distrust the government are dangerous. It's a general mind control, but the big reason is obviously the UN Small Arms Treaty and being able to frame the debate the way they want to.

[cryptoanarchist]

meanwhile, a list of fake victims is here:

http://graphics.latimes.com/towergraphic-aurora-dark-knight-victims/

Who writes this stuff? I mean really - do people actually believe these stories? This shit is ridiculous.

Also, since when do people take 3 year olds and a 3 MONTH OLD BABY to a midnight movie?!?! That's obvious sympathy dressing

[Taz]

Does your mom think you are dangerous?

If so maybe you should get some distance.
Save a little money and get away for a while.
Do a little travel around the state,
Climb a mountain, row a canoe down a river.
Meet people from other places.
Find the other perspective.

It will clear your worries and make you even wiser.

[cryptoanarchist]

Does your mom think you are dangerous?

If so maybe you should get some distance.
Save a little money and get away for a while.
Do a little travel around the state,
Climb a mountain, row a canoe down a river.
Meet people from other places.
Find the other perspective.

It will clear your worries and make you even wiser.

She does. And she's right. But I wouldn't open fire on a random theater. Maybe a masonic temple though.

[AndrewBUD]

meanwhile, a list of fake victims is here:

http://graphics.latimes.com/towergraphic-aurora-dark-knight-victims/

Who writes this stuff? I mean really - do people actually believe these stories? This shit is ridiculous.

Also, since when do people take 3 year olds and a 3 MONTH OLD BABY to a midnight movie?!?! That's obvious sympathy dressing

Look up some of these names in a few days and see if there are any funeral arrangements.

[cryptoanarchist]

meanwhile, a list of fake victims is here:

http://graphics.latimes.com/towergraphic-aurora-dark-knight-victims/

Who writes this stuff? I mean really - do people actually believe these stories? This shit is ridiculous.

Also, since when do people take 3 year olds and a 3 MONTH OLD BABY to a midnight movie?!?! That's obvious sympathy dressing

Look up some of these names in a few days and see if there are any funeral arrangements.

I know LOTS of people in Denver and have my feelers out. These people are non-existent. If there are funerals, they'll probably be closed casket. I hope they don't fake a dead body, but it wouldn't be beneath them.

[Taz]

Well before you go any further with that,
I suggest doing something new and exciting,
It might be your last chance.

Skydiving maybe, Anyone else have any suggestions?
Is there anything you always wanted to do, cryptoanarchist?

[AndrewBUD]

Try crack......

[cryptoanarchist]

If anyone can find ANY online footprint to ANY of the victims prior to 2012 I'd love to have the link.

[Taz]

Sure crack... or maybe some beer.

You can make your own at home, which is pretty cool.
You can make your own crack too but it probably takes a bit more effort, lol.

You could find out where the local hookers hang out, see what they can do.
Make sure to be careful with them though.

[elux]

Right. Instead of actually arguing the merits you jump to ad hominem and assumption. Good Job.

Well, sorry about that. Frankly, there is no merit to be found in your arguments.
None of the "evidence" you brought up even suggests the conclusion you posit.

In fact, the entire list can be explained by one basic assumption:

Sudden, unexpected disasters - be they man made or natural - are chaotic and confusing.
No one knows, exactly, what's going on. This is perfectly normal.

Every involved party, save the perpetrator (police, witnesses, media and witnesses) start out with zero knowledge, other that something is happening! After the things that happened have finished happening, the material facts are only gradually nailed down and eventually confirmed by huge numbers of sources. After they know what happened  they can correct any incorrect information from what they thought was happening. The full story emerges. This takes time.

Media and police work from from zero knowledge, through limited knowledge,
towards full knowledge as they piece together "the story".

That's what's seems to have happened here, as it has, and will happen, in every chaotic unexpected disaster in history.
Taking this into account, your "slam dunk" evidence seems to be no evidence at all.

You refute your own hypothesis.

[cryptoanarchist]

Right. Instead of actually arguing the merits you jump to ad hominem and assumption. Good Job.

Well, sorry about that. Frankly, there is no merit to be found in your arguments.
None of the "evidence" you brought up even suggests the conclusion you posit.

In fact, the entire list can be explained by one basic assumption:

Sudden, unexpected disasters - be they man made or natural - are chaotic and confusing.
No one knows, exactly, what's going on. This is perfectly normal.

Every involved party, save the perpetrator (police, witnesses, media and witnesses) start out with zero knowledge, other that something is happening! After the things that happened have finished happening, the material facts are only gradually nailed down and eventually confirmed by huge numbers of sources. After they know what happened  they can correct any incorrect information from what they thought was happening. The full story emerges. This takes time.

Media and police work from from zero knowledge, through limited knowledge,
towards full knowledge as they piece together "the story".

That's what's seems to have happened here, as it has, and will happen, in every chaotic unexpected disaster in history.
Taking this into account, tour "slam dunk" evidence seems to be no evidence at all, it disproves your own hypothesis.

I numbered my points to make it easier for you to argue them, but yet you still dodge them.

[benjamindees]

I'm not really arguing one way or another at this point, but for those of you who seem to be doubt even the possibility of government false-flag terror, here is a short history of some of the most well-known, de-classified government false flag terror attacks carried out by the US government and others:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83h0cC_-5NU

[Transisto]

Let's say you're the sane one here,
What would be the point of it?

If they wanted to disarm the people they could just introduce more legislation without discussion, they do it all the time.
If they wanted more people with guns they would create some form of home invasion.

All this sensation will do is draw up more aggressive opinion on both sides of the fence.
What are these evil geniuses trying to do?

While way to early to pull the false flag card, researching this with doubts is a good thing.

IMO, it would most likely be to add "real" and thus strengthening the message in the movie. Everybody seeing this movie from now on will think about the "real event".  People staging these events are in for the "very" long con, If you'd understand how movies help molding mindsets for future mind control you'd be at bit more suspicious of these event.

Non-existing deaths, well this is far-fetch, It could have been staged with real casualties. . We're not talking "staged" on the same level here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOvGfatjPMc
Ps : I hate A. Jones and so I mostly skipped at above video (a month ago), I thought "crazy".

[Bjork]

I haven't read through all the posts in this thread, but

That interview does look pretty fake but that doesn't mean the shooting didn't happen.  It means that either the guy is lying to get some "TV time" or the station paid him so they could have an "eye-witness interview"

[Taz]

TV and movies is where people get most of their suspicion of authority.
There are countless fictional stories of government conspiracy.
The problem is we all sometimes have trouble distinguishing between fiction and reality.
So a lot of the time, stories that agree with our theories, we take as proof,
And stories that disagree with us we see as media lies, manipulation and propaganda.

The main problem with society is that it's made up of humans.
Oh, please god, don't dispute that we're all human.

[cryptoanarchist]

Non-existing deaths, well this is far-fetch, It could have been staged with real casualties. . We're not talking "staged" on the same level here.

Much easier to just make people up. If you had real victims, you'd have real families that were really pissed off and dedicated to finding the truth. Why bother when you control the media and can just make shit up.

Look at these fake people: http://graphics.latimes.com/towergraphic-aurora-dark-knight-victims/

If that's all they have to come up with to fool the public - why not?


"And when you trust your television
What you get is what you got
‘Cause when they own the information
Oh, they can bend it all they want"
- JOHN MAYER

[cryptoanarchist]

I haven't read through all the posts in this thread, but

That interview does look pretty fake but that doesn't mean the shooting didn't happen.  It means that either the guy is lying to get some "TV time" or the station paid him so they could have an "eye-witness interview"

If you have a fake witness, why not fake victims and a fake shooter. People just accept it as reality because they're too lazy to do their own due diligence. But this happened in my backyard, so to speak, and I have and am telling you as a competent human being - these fuckers made it up.

[myrkul]

If you have a fake witness, why not fake victims and a fake shooter. People just accept it as reality because they're too lazy to do their own due diligence. But this happened in my backyard, so to speak, and I have and am telling you as a competent human being - these fuckers made it up.

They're discussing this one No Agenda right now... I'll edit this post to include a link to the podcast once it's finalized, but the live stream is at noagendastream.com

As promised, here's the link to the podcast: http://428.nashownotes.com/

Discussion starts pretty much right away, and continues through most of the show.

[Scott J]

cryptoanarchist, you really have a warped mind.

By holding such unfounded views over incidents like this, you actually help the government when they do act in an underhand way. You make it easier for people to dismiss potentially valid arguments as crackpot theories and turn people away from critical thinking. Well done if that is your intention.

Please, if you honestly want to hold the government to account for its actions focus your mind more - living in such a fantasy world plays into their hands.
 

[Bjork]

I haven't read through all the posts in this thread, but

That interview does look pretty fake but that doesn't mean the shooting didn't happen.  It means that either the guy is lying to get some "TV time" or the station paid him so they could have an "eye-witness interview"

If you have a fake witness, why not fake victims and a fake shooter. People just accept it as reality because they're too lazy to do their own due diligence. But this happened in my backyard, so to speak, and I have and am telling you as a competent human being - these fuckers made it up.

Well, you've certainly piqued my interest.  I'm not one to just "dismiss things" (although I have my doubts on this one) but I will read more into this.

[cryptoanarchist]

cryptoanarchist, you really have a warped mind.

By holding such unfounded views over incidents like this, you actually help the government when they do act in an underhand way. You make it easier for people to dismiss potentially valid arguments as crackpot theories and turn people away from critical thinking. Well done if that is your intention.

Please, if you honestly want to hold the government to account for its actions focus your mind more - living in such a fantasy world plays into their hands.
 

Are you going to make a point, or just sling insults?

I'm helping the government? Are you serious? Do you really want to make that your argument?

[Scott J]

cryptoanarchist, you really have a warped mind.

By holding such unfounded views over incidents like this, you actually help the government when they do act in an underhand way. You make it easier for people to dismiss potentially valid arguments as crackpot theories and turn people away from critical thinking. Well done if that is your intention.

Please, if you honestly want to hold the government to account for its actions focus your mind more - living in such a fantasy world plays into their hands.
 

Are you going to make a point, or just sling insults?

I'm helping the government? Are you serious? Do you really want to make that your argument?

Imagine for a second that you are wrong about this - don't you think the government would be quite happy for you to be spending time discussing what they haven't done rather than something that they have?

[cryptoanarchist]

13. Newly released video of shooter and pic of shooter are not the same person - drastically different jawline.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hn6K9cb-hQ0

Its almost like they want to be caught.

[Draino]

13. Newly released video of shooter and pic of shooter are not the same person - drastically different jawline.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hn6K9cb-hQ0

Its almost like they want to be caught.

uhh, i don't know about you, but a "drastically different jawline" was one of my favorite physical changes from 18-24

[Taz]

lol +1 that.

[Raoul Duke]

Thread didn't deliver. Lock this shit and let it die.

also: benjamindees, you're a crackpot.

[myrkul]

Crypto... The evidence is mounting, I'm starting to lean your direction.

This whole thing just smells too "wag the dog"... too much bullshit falling off this cart for it to be a load of fresh produce (If you'll forgive a horrible analogy).

[FirstAscent]

Crypto... The evidence is mounting, I'm starting to lean your direction.

This whole thing just smells too "wag the dog"... too much bullshit falling off this cart for it to be a load of fresh produce (If you'll forgive a horrible analogy).

That's an interesting insight into how you view the world. Do you accept that I will take this into consideration when engaged in debate with you?

[myrkul]

That's an interesting insight into how you view the world. Do you accept that I will take this into consideration when engaged in debate with you?

As though I could do anything to influence your opinion of me if I did not?

Do you accept that I consider you to be a troll?

[FlipPro]

cryptoanarchist, you really have a warped mind.

By holding such unfounded views over incidents like this, you actually help the government when they do act in an underhand way. You make it easier for people to dismiss potentially valid arguments as crackpot theories and turn people away from critical thinking. Well done if that is your intention.

Please, if you honestly want to hold the government to account for its actions focus your mind more - living in such a fantasy world plays into their hands.
 

+1 ,people like him hurt Bitcoin, and they don't even realize what they're doing.

Sad.

Crypto once again you're a FUCKING IDIOT.

And anyone trying to dispel me as "angry"..

Just stfu....

Watch the news, and see why this guys an idiot.

[AndrewBUD]

I don't even have to watch the news... Everything that is happening is on the Bitcointalk forum

[binspac]

https://i.imgur.com/sJmyP.jpg

[FlipPro]

I don't even have to watch the news... Everything that is happening is on the Bitcointalk forum

BTW it's Alex Jones who is pushing this "conspiracy" filth.

Don't think these are original ideas for one second...

Nuts parrot each other.

http://www.examiner.com/article/conspiracy-theorist-calls-batman-shooting-a-staged-attack

I hope he gets hammered for the ignorant commentary.

[Taz]

+1 ,people like him hurt Bitcoin, and they don't even realize what they're doing.

Sad.

Crypto once again you're a FUCKING IDIOT.

And anyone trying to dispel me as "angry"..

Just stfu....

Watch the news, and see why this guys an idiot.

Whatever about what you are actually saying,
You should probably accept that maybe you are angry.
"If you think I'm angry, SHUT THE FUCK UP!"

How many times did you stab the fullstop and return/enter keys while you were typing that message?

[FlipPro]

+1 ,people like him hurt Bitcoin, and they don't even realize what they're doing.

Sad.

Crypto once again you're a FUCKING IDIOT.

And anyone trying to dispel me as "angry"..

Just stfu....

Watch the news, and see why this guys an idiot.

Whatever about what you are actually saying,
You should probably accept that maybe you are angry.
"If you think I'm angry, SHUT THE FUCK UP!"

How many times did you stab the fullstop and return/enter keys while you were typing that message?

No just putting clear emphasis on the unfounded stupidity of another human being.

He says we're the ones who are sheep?

Atleast this sheep doesn't get ALL of his geo-political information from the likes of Alex Jones.

That sounds like a REAL sheep if you ask me...

[Taz]

No just putting clear emphasis on the unfounded stupidity of another human being.

He says we're the ones who are sheep?

Atleast this sheep doesn't get ALL of his geo-political information from the likes of Alex Jones.

That sounds like a REAL sheep if you ask me...

True and worse,
He may be a danger to himself or others,
He really needs a holiday, a girlfriend or both.

[Transisto]

cryptoanarchist, you really have a warped mind.

By holding such unfounded views over incidents like this, you actually help the government when they do act in an underhand way. You make it easier for people to dismiss potentially valid arguments as crackpot theories and turn people away from critical thinking. Well done if that is your intention.

Please, if you honestly want to hold the government to account for its actions focus your mind more - living in such a fantasy world plays into their hands.
 

+1 ,people like him hurt Bitcoin, and they don't even realize what they're doing.

Sad.

Crypto once again you're a FUCKING IDIOT.

And anyone trying to dispel me as "angry"..

Just stfu....

Watch the news, and see why this guys an idiot.

FlipPro Do you have anything to say other than trowing insults and telling us to watch the news ?

How many time do we have to tell you, only idiots listen to MSM news (for what it is)  ?

[myrkul]

As promised, the previous post has been updated, and here's the link to the podcast: http://428.nashownotes.com/

Discussion starts pretty much right away, and continues through most of the show.

[Raoul Duke]

Just going to leave this here http://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm

[cryptoanarchist]

As promised, the previous post has been updated, and here's the link to the podcast: http://428.nashownotes.com/

Discussion starts pretty much right away, and continues through most of the show.

LMAO...LOVE how the media had to throw in the part about the shooter "possibly being involved with the Tea Party".

But I should watch the network news!!

[FlipPro]

cryptoanarchist, you really have a warped mind.

By holding such unfounded views over incidents like this, you actually help the government when they do act in an underhand way. You make it easier for people to dismiss potentially valid arguments as crackpot theories and turn people away from critical thinking. Well done if that is your intention.

Please, if you honestly want to hold the government to account for its actions focus your mind more - living in such a fantasy world plays into their hands.
 

+1 ,people like him hurt Bitcoin, and they don't even realize what they're doing.

Sad.

Crypto once again you're a FUCKING IDIOT.

And anyone trying to dispel me as "angry"..

Just stfu....

Watch the news, and see why this guys an idiot.

FlipPro Do you have anything to say other than trowing insults and telling us to watch the news ?

How many time do we have to tell you, only idiots listen to MSM news (for what it is)  ?

Sure because only geniuses equate EVERY SINGLE THING that the "MSM" comes up with as a lie...

You have a resident BITCOIN forum member telling you they are there and are affected by this disgusting act.

And then you have people who aren't there, don't know anyone involved, and who have the most twisted out-there opinions, and all of a sudden they're the experts??  

Not to mention all the "reasons" why this is a conspiracy are absolutely retarded. If I have to pick them apart one by one I will...

[cryptoanarchist]

You have a resident BITCOIN forum member telling you they are there and are affected by this disgusting act.

LMAO..OMG...so you're saying that somehow you are affected more because you live in Colorado?


<FlipPro>

dude, I know people who were there and their lives were shattered by this. No, I won't say who because they would get stalked.

</FlipPro>

You're full of shit...

[Blind]

cryptoanarchist, why do you think they did it, what was the reason? I love conspiracy theories, but this one doesn't make any sense.

[Taz]

If someone isn't already printing "BTCitcoin made me do it" T-shirts,
I suggest doing so now.

[opticbit]

If someone isn't already printing "BTCitcoin made me do it" T-shirts,
I suggest doing so now.

I do what the Voices in the block chain tells me to. ©

[cryptoanarchist]

cryptoanarchist, why do you think they did it, what was the reason? I love conspiracy theories, but this one doesn't make any sense.

Cui bono?

What has been the tone of the media lately?

[nimda]

I am seeing a very disturbing lack of logical debate from both sides. I can't count the number of logical fallacies which have been used on one hand. If you're going to argue, at least try to debate, rather than plugging your ears. Look back through the thread. See the things you missed. My favorite (not trying to take sides here) was when someone posted real, declassified "schemes," another person completely ignored that and tried to state that most beliefs in these things come from fake media. Again, if you want to be taken seriously by anyone other than your opponents (because they sure won't; they're too entrenched and engaged), then you need to refute your opponents' arguments. Yes, that means go through the numbered list; however stupid it may be, it will make the spectators feel that you didn't miss anything.

[FirstAscent]

I am seeing a very disturbing lack of logical debate from both sides. I can't count the number of logical fallacies which have been used on one hand. If you're going to argue, at least try to debate, rather than plugging your ears. Look back through the thread. See the things you missed. My favorite (not trying to take sides here) was when someone posted real, declassified "schemes," another person completely ignored that and tried to state that most beliefs in these things come from fake media. Again, if you want to be taken seriously by anyone other than your opponents (because they sure won't; they're too entrenched and engaged), then you need to refute your opponents' arguments. Yes, that means go through the numbered list; however stupid it may be, it will make the spectators feel that you didn't miss anything.

What makes you think people feel a need to actually expend energy debating this topic? Funny.

[Taz]

Yup it's probably about time the thread was locked, it has nothing to do with the OP.
It's all just chatter, mainly centering around cryptoanarcist.

[nimda]

I am seeing a very disturbing lack of logical debate from both sides. I can't count the number of logical fallacies which have been used on one hand. If you're going to argue, at least try to debate, rather than plugging your ears. Look back through the thread. See the things you missed. My favorite (not trying to take sides here) was when someone posted real, declassified "schemes," another person completely ignored that and tried to state that most beliefs in these things come from fake media. Again, if you want to be taken seriously by anyone other than your opponents (because they sure won't; they're too entrenched and engaged), then you need to refute your opponents' arguments. Yes, that means go through the numbered list; however stupid it may be, it will make the spectators feel that you didn't miss anything.

What makes you think people feel a need to actually expend energy debating this topic? Funny.

Uhh... hmmm. *stares at post count number in this thread* I don't... *runs the thread through a word-counting tool* ... umm... hmmph. I'm not ... *divides that number by 19 WPM composure average* ... not really quite sure. *removes thread from the watchlist that it was automatically placed on by the helpful forum software*

[TECSHARE]

TSA in movie theaters & gun control is quite a motive. They have been trying to push TSA in theaters for some time, now they have their excuse. I don't care who you think is responsible or why it was done, the end result is clear, more lock down.

As far as this thread is concerned, I am sure the OP thought it was funny or cute or something, but I tend to agree with the sentiment that it is destructive to the Bitcoin community, not helpful or even funny. Bitcoin has enough trouble being associated with drugs, arms, and prostitution without adding mass murder to the list.

[FlipPro]

TSA in movie theaters & gun control is quite a motive. They have been trying to push TSA in theaters for some time, now they have their excuse. I don't care who you think is responsible or why it was done, the end result is clear, more lock down.

As far as this thread is concerned, I am sure the OP thought it was funny or cute or something, but I tend to agree with the sentiment that it is destructive to the Bitcoin community, not helpful or even funny. Bitcoin has enough trouble being associated with drugs, arms, and prostitution without adding mass murder to the list.

+1 please close this thread mods... please its nothing but FUD.

[cryptoanarchist]

Let the OP spread FUD. If that's what he was trying to do, it backfired.

Point is, that the shooter couldn't have been familiar with bitcoin because there was no shooter.

[binspac]

I'll just leave this here.

http://speedcap.net/img/cae08e45722aa0cd8c491dec63c3575c/a8200313.png

[AndrewBUD]

The celebs really know what's going on.

[binspac]

The celebs really know what's going on.

What makes you think that?

[Blind]

cryptoanarchist, why do you think they did it, what was the reason? I love conspiracy theories, but this one doesn't make any sense.

Cui bono?

What has been the tone of the media lately?

Hmm, I have two picks. First is Christopher Nolan, to get media spotlight on his new movie, second, media industry to combat slow news day.

Seriously though I live under a rock with my tinfoil hat tightly on, I don't follow news, apart from major events if they're interesting enough. What's your story?

Someone suggested this event was staged to introduce stricter gun control, as if America had not enough nut jobs going on the killing spree already.

Also, I don't quite understand OP, what's the link between shooting and Bitcoin? AFAIK the guy bought guns and ammo legally in local gun store.

[Littleshop]

1. Obviously fake witnesses re-used over and over again (see above)

I don't consider any of them obviously fake.
Media is lazy and will re-use things often vs paying someone to film something new.

2. Constantly changing storyline (at one point it was 14 dead, another it was 12 - do cops not know how to count to 14??)

Media is not all competent and the situation is rapidly changing. 

3. Only one cell phone video. You're "just plane stupid" if you think that a shooting could happen at a movie theater and only ONE cellphone video would surface a day after - there would be DOZENS - at least.

It is not easy to get a cell phone to record while you are running for your life.  Recording may get you shot.

4. Shooter is supposedly unemployed loner, but manages to acquire ~$20K worth of shit for killing spree.

With rich parents.  I doubt it was 20k worth of stuff. 

5. Shooter is determined to "just kill anyone", but then just surrenders to police?!?!

Because he did what he wanted to already.  Not all killers are suicidal. 

6. No clear timeline has been put forth by ANY news outlet about what happened between the time he came through the emergency door and started shooting, and the 10 minutes later MIN. that the cops actually showed up.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=colorado+theater+timeline

7. Oh yeah - no security cam footage AT ALL?!?!?

I have not seen too many cams in theaters.  It is a theater not a store, bank or

8. The re-use of the same cell phone video over and over by different networks (aren't they supposed to be competitors?)

Not enough footage to go around.  Its cheaper and easier to reuse.

9. The use of the same footage and pictures in general used across all networks

Same as above.

10, The lack of any other victim photos or footage. (All we see is the same black guy in a B&W striped shirt(pretty masonic, huh?) with fake blood on him..from the same overused cell phone footage.

Nobody was taking pictures while they were running for their lives.  Is that hard to understand.

10. Mr Sullivan's kid supposedly died, and he showed up with only a black and white print out of his face to show the cops??

Maybe he was in a hurry and that is what he saw first.

11. Girl is seen smiling in back of one of staged "grief" photos

Someone smiles so it indicates a government plot?

12. Fake victim "Jennifer Ghawi" is supposedly an aspiring sports journalist, but has only a blog with all of TWO entries in it to show as any proof of her previous existence. Oh and a twitter where she conveniently tweeted she was going to see the movie.

People sometimes embellish the lives of the dead.  This is not unusual.  Maybe there is more that you or the media didn't find.  A tweet while having almost no bearing, works more against your augment then for it. 

...need more?

Not of the quality that you have provided so far.

False flag meets occam's razor....

I don't disagree that the government/media/corporate interests use events like this to for their own causes.....

But what is easier, setting up a complex killing with hundreds of witnesses involved (from the actual location to the hospitals, morgues and all) , making hundreds of people keep a secret in the day where one photo, one quote even one tweet can disprove it..........

Or just wait for it to REALLY HAPPEN then take advantage of it. 

Which is easier? 

[cryptoanarchist]

1. Obviously fake witnesses re-used over and over again (see above)

I don't consider any of them obviously fake.
Media is lazy and will re-use things often vs paying someone to film something new.

Honestly?!? Chris Ramos and Jennifer Seeger are the phoniest witnesses I've ever seen since 9-11. I've been in sales most of my life so maybe I have more people skills than you, but that is just not how people who have been in that kind of experience talk.

2. Constantly changing storyline (at one point it was 14 dead, another it was 12 - do cops not know how to count to 14??)

Media is not all competent and the situation is rapidly changing. 

That's not an excuse. The situation WASN'T changing. They had a room full of dead bodies. How do they think there are 14 dead bodies and then only 12? They were confirming people dead that weren't dead? Do you understand what a coroner does for a living?

3. Only one cell phone video. You're "just plane stupid" if you think that a shooting could happen at a movie theater and only ONE cellphone video would surface a day after - there would be DOZENS - at least.

It is not easy to get a cell phone to record while you are running for your life.  Recording may get you shot.

and yet, someone did. And from the looks of that cellphone footage A. People were walking, and B. The cops were already there in the footage. So I ask again, where is the other cell phone footage?

4. Shooter is supposedly unemployed loner, but manages to acquire ~$20K worth of shit for killing spree.

With rich parents.  I doubt it was 20k worth of stuff. 

Ah..rich parents that just lent him the money..very convenient. I'll leave this one alone for now.

5. Shooter is determined to "just kill anyone", but then just surrenders to police?!?!

Because he did what he wanted to already.  Not all killers are suicidal. 

Oh, he just wanted to kill a bunch of people in a theater and then go to prison for life - makes a lot of sense. Well, I guess you can justify anything just with "He's crazy", can't you?

You can't be "just crazy" and do what they say he did. It takes THOUGHT to put together the gear and the plan and to actually do such a thing, and such a mind wouldn't have the end goal of just surrendering to cops. That's nonsense.

6. No clear timeline has been put forth by ANY news outlet about what happened between the time he came through the emergency door and started shooting, and the 10 minutes later MIN. that the cops actually showed up.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=colorado+theater+timeline

I think you misunderstood the part about "No clear timeline", unless you never actually tried to find one. Maybe you're the twat who needs to Google. He supposedly kicked a steel door in, threw in tear gas, and then started shooting at people. That takes all of about 10-15 seconds. What happened for the next 15 minutes? He just walked to his car? No one followed him? Did he go back out the emergency door? Cause that would contradict witness testimoney. Lots of gaps here that should have been immediately explained with eyewitness testimony and cellphone footage. Instead all we have is one shaky film showing people WALKING out long after cops showed up. If you think that adds up, you're lying to yourself.

7. Oh yeah - no security cam footage AT ALL?!?!?

I have not seen too many cams in theaters.  It is a theater not a store, bank or

This was in a mall shopping area and YES, there are security cams around there. Maybe not in the theater itself, but certainly outside.

8. The re-use of the same cell phone video over and over by different networks (aren't they supposed to be competitors?)

Not enough footage to go around.  Its cheaper and easier to reuse.

Yep...in a crowd of hundreds of people only one brave soul thought to get their cam phone out, even after the cops were there.

9. The use of the same footage and pictures in general used across all networks

Same as above.

Ditto

10, The lack of any other victim photos or footage. (All we see is the same black guy in a B&W striped shirt(pretty masonic, huh?) with fake blood on him..from the same overused cell phone footage.

Nobody was taking pictures while they were running for their lives.  Is that hard to understand.

Yes, it IS hard to understand that after the cops were there no one was taking footage except for one person, and that we never saw any other bodies or even any other injured people at the scene.

10. Mr Sullivan's kid supposedly died, and he showed up with only a black and white print out of his face to show the cops??

Maybe he was in a hurry and that is what he saw first.

yeah right. I don't think you could even type that with a straight face. Your kid is missing and you think he might have died at a theater. So you go to the cops with a B&W print out of your son? Gimme a friggin break. Even trying that excuse proves you're an asshole.

11. Girl is seen smiling in back of one of staged "grief" photos

Someone smiles so it indicates a government plot?

No, it proves that its a staged photo

12. Fake victim "Jennifer Ghawi" is supposedly an aspiring sports journalist, but has only a blog with all of TWO entries in it to show as any proof of her previous existence. Oh and a twitter where she conveniently tweeted she was going to see the movie.

People sometimes embellish the lives of the dead.  This is not unusual.  Maybe there is more that you or the media didn't find.  A tweet while having almost no bearing, works more against your augment then for it. 

Oh I see, so these days you can become a intern at Fox News to be a sports journalist without ever having wrote anything? Never wrote anything at all about sports, but was an aspiring sports journalist. Does your logic just suck? Or are you twisting it around that brain tumor of yours that is your brainwashed faith in the TV? Or are you just a troll?

[Scott J]

Someone smiles so it indicates a government plot?

No, it proves that its a staged photo[/quote]
Surely a staged photo would be perfect? Why would they rush out a poor job? Surely the would take the photo with plenty of time to perfect it, probably before the incident.

[cryptoanarchist]

Someone smiles so it indicates a government plot?

No, it proves that its a staged photo

Surely a staged photo would be perfect? Why would they rush out a poor job? Surely the would take the photo with plenty of time to perfect it, probably before the incident.

You'd think, but they know the American masses will buy any stupid garbage, so they're not trying that hard.

[Scott J]

Someone smiles so it indicates a government plot?

No, it proves that its a staged photo

Surely a staged photo would be perfect? Why would they rush out a poor job? Surely the would take the photo with plenty of time to perfect it, probably before the incident.

You'd think, but they know the American masses will buy any stupid garbage, so they're not trying that hard.

Come on - you're not even trying to maintain your delusion now.

Surely either the government is able and determined to pull off such an elaborate conspiracy or it's not.

[elux]

Someone smiles so it indicates a government plot?

No, it proves that its a staged photo

It's a common response to traumatic emotional experiences.

Smiling When Distressed:

Smiling when distressed was most prevalent in conditions in which participants reported the greatest emotional distress. Specifically, while viewing distressing videos, men reported experiencing greater overall distress and also smiled more than women, especially in social conditions and while viewing intensely (as opposed to moderately) distressing stimuli.

I'm curious. Do you believe it to be virtually certain - proven beyond reasonable doubt - that this incident must have been staged, and that the shooting didn't happen?

Would you say you are 100% sure? 90%? 50%?

[cryptoanarchist]

Someone smiles so it indicates a government plot?

No, it proves that its a staged photo

Surely a staged photo would be perfect? Why would they rush out a poor job? Surely the would take the photo with plenty of time to perfect it, probably before the incident.

You'd think, but they know the American masses will buy any stupid garbage, so they're not trying that hard.

Come on - you're not even trying to maintain your delusion now.

Surely either the government is able to pull off such an elaborate conspiracy or it's not.

Its not that elaborate for all the reasons mentioned. I'm not hearing a clear story or anything to convince me that this happened. One black guy in a striped shirt was WALKING out WITH A COP - so why the shaky footage? If a cop was walking out with a guy, that means it was taken AFTER everything had died down, so out of all those other people no one had a cam? Where are the photos/vids of the dozens of wounded people? They would have been on youtube the next day if this really happened.

[cryptoanarchist]

Would you say you are 100% sure? 90%? 50%?

Absolutely 100% certain that it was planned and staged. Not sure of the specifics of how it was done though.

[Scott J]

Someone smiles so it indicates a government plot?

No, it proves that its a staged photo

Surely a staged photo would be perfect? Why would they rush out a poor job? Surely the would take the photo with plenty of time to perfect it, probably before the incident.

You'd think, but they know the American masses will buy any stupid garbage, so they're not trying that hard.

Come on - you're not even trying to maintain your delusion now.

Surely either the government is able to pull off such an elaborate conspiracy or it's not.

Its not that elaborate for all the reasons mentioned. I'm not hearing a clear story or anything to convince me that this happened. One black guy in a striped shirt was WALKING out WITH A COP - so why the shaky footage? If a cop was walking out with a guy, that means it was taken AFTER everything had died down, so out of all those other people no one had a cam? Where are the photos/vids of the dozens of wounded people? They would have been on youtube the next day if this really happened.

The black guy didn't look like he could walk properly. I think you've watched a few movies and are expecting to see the same things...

Are you really saying it's not that elaborate to have 58 people pretend to be injured and to create 12 dead people - both of these including family and friends. Why do you think the odds of one of these people outing the truth is so low?

You have seen an unusual event, chosen not to believe it and then created an even more extraordinary scenario which you are 100% sure is the truth. Rational people are not 100% sure of a lot of things, let alone something like you are claiming.

[Taz]

Would you say you are 100% sure? 90%? 50%?

Absolutely 100% certain that it was planned and staged. Not sure of the specifics of how it was done though.

Great you're absolutely positive, now just quickly run it through the auld scientific method and you'll have everyone on your side.

[elux]

Would you say you are 100% sure? 90%? 50%?

Absolutely 100% certain that it was planned and staged. Not sure of the specifics of how it was done though.

Is all of the media in on it? Wouldn't you expect there to be at least one honest journalist somewhere?
You're saying this whole incident didn't happen. Do you believe 9/11 happened? (As in things blew up and real people died.)

Have you been able to pick up on things like this your whole life, or is it more of a recent thing?

Why are you able to see these connections that most people don't?

[FlipPro]

I know "real" news is never posted here,

but seriously watch that video (video is now out from his first appearance in court room),

and tell me this guy isn't a complete NUTJOB, and giving him SEMI-AUTOMATIC weapons is a BAD IDEA....

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/colorado-shooting-suspect-james-holmes-appear-court-monday-111006043.html

[myrkul]

Is all of the media in on it? Wouldn't you expect there to be at least one honest journalist somewhere?

Let me state this at the very start: I'm not saying this is a false flag. I'm not saying it's not. But here's your honest journalists: http://428.nashownotes.com/

[vampire]

I know "real" news is never posted here,

but seriously watch that video (video is now out from his first appearance in court room),

and tell me this guy isn't a complete NUTJOB, and giving him SEMI-AUTOMATIC weapons is a BAD IDEA....

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/colorado-shooting-suspect-james-holmes-appear-court-monday-111006043.html

The question who decides who should get guns or not. This guy quiet possibly was normal a year ago. Semi-auto rifles are less dangerous than handguns in day to day life, because it's harder to conceal it.

[Blind]

Oh, he just wanted to kill a bunch of people in a theater and then go to prison for life - makes a lot of sense. Well, I guess you can justify anything just with "He's crazy", can't you?

You can't be "just crazy" and do what they say he did. It takes THOUGHT to put together the gear and the plan and to actually do such a thing, and such a mind wouldn't have the end goal of just surrendering to cops. That's nonsense.

Hmm, what about Andrew Breivik?

You still haven't told us their reason for putting the show up.

[Taz]

Damn it, I should be learning about btc,
What keeps bringing me back here?

[benjamindees]

No surprise, HNC Software's neural-network prediction software was DARPA-funded.  Probably has applications in, say, predicting terror attacks.

http://beforeitsnews.com/power-elite/2012/07/darpa-neuroscience-research-and-the-batman-massacre-james-holmes-father-linked-to-darpa-2434319.html

[myrkul]

Hey, I enjoy listening to these guys, thanks for the link.

No problem, glad to hit you in the mouth. (by the time you read this, that should make sense.)

[TECSHARE]

[smithy]

Anyone who believes this is a "false flag" operation, or whatever you conspiracy nutjobs like to call it, is complete idiot. You really think life is like one big movie, don't you? Well it's not. Maybe if you went outside once in while you might have some idea of what life is really like; you might even get laid (not likely).

[Taz]

Well in their understanding of sex, you need to be police or the cable guy to get laid.

[evolve]

Come on guys, life as a basement dwelling nerd is boring, so you have to create a world of intrigue to keep things interesting until mom brings down dinner. Now, be quiet, Alex Jones is talking about our alien overlords on the chip the Cia implanted in my brain.

[TECSHARE]

Bring on the sock puppets! :::plays enter the clowns:::
A bunch of ad hominem slanging newbs - what a shock. You are right no one out there is smarter than you and they certainly don't ever plan anything sinister! The world is clearly a lovely place where people wouldn't ever do such a thing. Even if they wanted to they couldn't, you know why? You are TOO SMART to let it happen.

[TECSHARE]

False flag meets occam's razor....

I don't disagree that the government/media/corporate interests use events like this to for their own causes.....

But what is easier, setting up a complex killing with hundreds of witnesses involved (from the actual location to the hospitals, morgues and all) , making hundreds of people keep a secret in the day where one photo, one quote even one tweet can disprove it..........

Or just wait for it to REALLY HAPPEN then take advantage of it.  

Which is easier?

Is it really that hard to scrape up a mentally unstable person off the street, pump them full of drugs, arm them, and dump them off at a movie theater?

[evolve]

Is it really that hard to scrape up a mentally unstable person off the street, pump them full of drugs, arm them, and dump them off at a movie theater?

I think you're thinking of the movie "The Manchurian Candidate"....it wasn't a documentary you know. 

[Taz]

This is a regular occurrence, especially on the internet.
You take something said about you and spin it back at the opposition.
Conspiracy theory is all about feeling smarter than everyone else.
If all those sheep believed what you do, then how would you know you have such supreme intellect.
At least your mom would still tell you, I guess.

[rjk]

And meanwhile, the Google rankings are gathering steam, the longer this topic stays up. Some people just want to watch the world burn. Shame on you OP for posting such a fucking retarded pile of garbage.

[benjamindees]

A bunch of ad hominem slanging newbs - what a shock.

The trolls reinforce the major theme of the attack: blurring fantasy with reality, life is a movie, etc...

The attacker thinks he's the Joker.  He consumes mind-altering substances.  He studies neuroscience and "temporal illusion."  He's dressed as a cop to try to blend in with the SWAT team.

The victims think that the attack is part of the movie.  The trailer features people being shot in a movie theater.

Lil' Wayne's latest music video (released just days before) features skeletons in a smoke-filled movie theater.  The next day, Madonna is dressed all in black, toting around semi-automatic weapons on stage at her concert.

The NY Police Commissioner holds a press conference (for some inexplicable reason) to tell us that "the Joker," "the enemy of Batman" has shot up a movie theater halfway across the country, as though he's Commissioner Gordon.

Some people just want to watch the world burn.

Quoting the Batman films... cute.

[evolve]

I think your brain is blurring fantasy and reality. Can you honestly read what you just wrote with a straight face? Little wayne and madonna are involved now? Are you fucking serious? Did 2 pac and biggie get involved too?

Seriously its like talking to a group 3 year olds. Not a single bit of logic can penetrate that fantasy land you conspiracy theorists have produced in your minds, huh?

Lone gunman commits tragedy? No...its gotta be the government...and aliens...bigfoot probably helped...

[Raoul Duke]

A bunch of ad hominem slanging newbs - what a shock.

The trolls reinforce the major theme of the attack: blurring fantasy with reality, life is a movie, etc...

The attacker thinks he's the Joker.  He consumes mind-altering substances.  He studies neuroscience and "temporal illusion."  He's dressed as a cop to try to blend in with the SWAT team.

The victims think that the attack is part of the movie.  The trailer features people being shot in a movie theater.

Lil' Wayne's latest music video (released just days before) features skeletons in a smoke-filled movie theater.  The next day, Madonna is dressed all in black, toting around semi-automatic weapons on stage at her concert.

The NY Police Commissioner holds a press conference (for some inexplicable reason) to tell us that "the Joker," "the enemy of Batman" has shot up a movie theater halfway across the country, as though he's Commissioner Gordon.

And on all that, please tell me exactly where is the "Bitcoin connection" you talk about on the title of the thread... Crackpot...

[myrkul]

I think your brain is blurring fantasy and reality. Can you honestly read what you just wrote with a straight face? Little wayne and madonna are involved now? Are you fucking serious? Did 2 pac and biggie get involved too?

Each of those statements he made is verifiable fact. Perhaps it is your mind blurring fantasy and reality?

[Taz]

My shoes are leather, Madonna once wore leather.
They are red, the french for red is rouge, as in the murderous Khmer Rouge.
They have blue laces, blue symbolizes sadness.
And they have white soles, white is the colour of clouds... which float.
⇈Right here is definitive proof that my shoes are Superman⇈

[evolve]

Each of those statements he made is verifiable fact. Perhaps it is your mind blurring fantasy and reality?

Yes little wayne made a video. That is a fact. Implying that there is a connection to the shooter is asinine and requires a level of mental gymnastics that is mind boggling.

Myrkul, back when I was a regular on this forum, I liked you...so i hate to say this, but seriously, this stuff is retarded and I cant believe anyone, including you, buys into it.

Like I said earlier (believe me or not) I'm from the area, I know people who were shot at, and ive seen some of the victims (and more recently, spoke with an aurora detective who came by our shop) so this conspiracy shit is extremely fucking insulting to me. So, as long as people keep spouting out this awful conspiracy shit, I will keep calling them out for being morons.

[myrkul]

Each of those statements he made is verifiable fact. Perhaps it is your mind blurring fantasy and reality?

Yes little wayne made a video. That is a fact. Implying that there is a connection to the shooter is asinine and requires a level of mental gymnastics that is mind boggling.

Maybe it's confirmation bias, maybe it's conspiracy, maybe it's nothing. Either way, the media sure as shit blew this up HUGE, way bigger than it needed to be. Staged or not, they didn't waste the opportunity to make it into one hell of a distraction.

Edit: And I'm not "buying into it", I'm simply acknowledging that this is being turned into an event, and there is more hype than necessary. The shooting doesn't need to be fake for the story to be bullshit (or at least caked in it).

[Taz]

Maybe it's confirmation bias, maybe it's conspiracy, maybe it's nothing. Either way, the media sure as shit blew this up HUGE, way bigger than it needed to be. Staged or not, they didn't waste the opportunity to make it into one hell of a distraction.

What would you think if the press ignored the story?

[myrkul]

Maybe it's confirmation bias, maybe it's conspiracy, maybe it's nothing. Either way, the media sure as shit blew this up HUGE, way bigger than it needed to be. Staged or not, they didn't waste the opportunity to make it into one hell of a distraction.

What would you think if the press ignored the story?

You don't see the difference between covering an event and blowing it beyond all proportion?

[Taz]

Maybe it's confirmation bias, maybe it's conspiracy, maybe it's nothing. Either way, the media sure as shit blew this up HUGE, way bigger than it needed to be. Staged or not, they didn't waste the opportunity to make it into one hell of a distraction.

What would you think if the press ignored the story?

You don't see the difference between covering an event and blowing it beyond all proportion?

I remember hearing an awful lot more about Britney Spears' shaved head, Angelina's latest adoption and sometimes less important things like Fukushima.
Face it, everything you hear on your news sources you flag as lies and everything you find with a quick google search you put in the "uncovered truths" box.

[myrkul]

Face it, everything you hear on your news sources you flag as lies and everything you find with a quick google search you put in the "uncovered truths" box.

When it comes to world events, I take everything I see on TV with a grain of salt, and everything I read on the internet with two. Starting with the assumption that everyone is lying to you (or at least distorting the truth to their benefit) really helps sift out the truth.

I remember hearing an awful lot more about Britney Spears' shaved head, Angelina's latest adoption and sometimes less important things like Fukushima.

I sat in a restaurant for about half an hour on Saturday, and the news was on. I heard a total of maybe 5 minutes of news coverage of any event other than this shooting. They want something to fill air time with, and this is sensational, so it gets top billing.

[Taz]

I sat in a restaurant for about half an hour on Saturday, and the news was on. I heard a total of maybe 5 minutes of news coverage of any event other than this shooting. They want something to fill air time with, and this is sensational, so it gets top billing.

No qualms there.
Agree with this statement 100%

[cryptoanarchist]

Each of those statements he made is verifiable fact. Perhaps it is your mind blurring fantasy and reality?

Yes little wayne made a video. That is a fact. Implying that there is a connection to the shooter is asinine and requires a level of mental gymnastics that is mind boggling.

Myrkul, back when I was a regular on this forum, I liked you...so i hate to say this, but seriously, this stuff is retarded and I cant believe anyone, including you, buys into it.

Like I said earlier (believe me or not) I'm from the area, I know people who were shot at, and ive seen some of the victims (and more recently, spoke with an aurora detective who came by our shop) so this conspiracy shit is extremely fucking insulting to me. So, as long as people keep spouting out this awful conspiracy shit, I will keep calling them out for being morons.

Really? I'd like to ask you some questions though PM. Who do you know that was shot at? Which victim have you seen.

You're lying.

[benjamindees]

http://www.infowars.com/chertoff-suggests-precrime-solution-to-mass-shooting-psychos/

former Homeland Security boss Michael Chertoff believes government should hone its ability to spot criminals and terrorists before they inflict damage on society.

http://www.infowars.com/homeland-security-moves-forward-with-pre-crime-detection/

An internal U.S. Department of Homeland Security document indicates that a controversial program designed to predict whether a person will commit a crime is already being tested on some members of the public

Does this system use a "cortronic neural network" ?

[evolve]

I could give two fucks whether you (or anyone else for that matter) believes me. I'm just here to tell you what a feckless loser manchild you are, and to tell you to grow the fuck up and stop believing in fantasyland bullshit or else you are most likely doomed to a pathetic life reeking of doritos and failure.

[benjamindees]

Aurora police chief was former head of NYPD intelligence division (on 9/11).

http://gothamist.com/2012/07/21/aurora_police_chief_is_former_nypd.php

[cryptoanarchist]

I could give two fucks whether you (or anyone else for that matter) believes me. I'm just here to tell you what a feckless loser manchild you are, and to tell you to grow the fuck up and stop believing in fantasyland bullshit or else you are most likely doomed to a pathetic life reeking of doritos and failure.

Yep..that sounds more like it. See, if you really had people hurt in this fiasco, this isn't how you would respond. You're a poor actor.

[evolve]

I wouldn't respond by calling you an idiot? Pretty sure that's what just happened.

Considering that your response to a horrible tradgedy is to blame aliens or the Cia or some shit, I wouldn't consider you an expert on reasonable reactions.

I already told you earlier that I have no interest in engaging in a debate. Mostly because there is nothing to debate. I'm simply going to mock you until you realize your belief is stupid, or until you shut the fuck up about it....either way is fine with me.

[myrkul]

I could give two fucks whether you (or anyone else for that matter) believes me. I'm just here to tell you what a feckless loser manchild you are, and to tell you to grow the fuck up and stop believing in fantasyland bullshit or else you are most likely doomed to a pathetic life reeking of doritos and failure.

Yep..that sounds more like it. See, if you really had people hurt in this fiasco, this isn't how you would respond. You're a poor actor.

No, that sounds about right... righteous indignation.

If there's any conspiracy to this, it's most likely just the media spin-up. Fear sells newspapers, and gets eyeballs on the TV.

[TECSHARE]

Bring on the sock puppets! :::plays enter the clowns:::
A bunch of ad hominem slanging newbs - what a shock. You are right no one out there is smarter than you and they certainly don't ever plan anything sinister! The world is clearly a lovely place where people wouldn't ever do such a thing. Even if they wanted to they couldn't, you know why? You are TOO SMART to let it happen.

This is a regular occurrence, especially on the internet.
You take something said about you and spin it back at the opposition.
Conspiracy theory is all about feeling smarter than everyone else.
If all those sheep believed what you do, then how would you know you have such supreme intellect.
At least your mom would still tell you, I guess.

Now you are just being refractory and have taken my point and then just flipped it back on me as if you made it. This is info management 101. Ignorance is strength, freedom is slavery, I'm rubber you are glue, whatever you say I will repeat back to you. Quite childish. Also, I don't have to be smarter than you to know there are people out there smarter than both of us.

[Taz]

You take something said about you and spin it back at the opposition.

Now you are just being refractory and have taken my point and then just flipped it back on me as if you made it.

This is getting too meta for me. If getting the last word on a point is important to you, feel free to take it. Discussing this more will solve nothing.

This is info management 101. Ignorance is strength, freedom is slavery, I'm rubber you are glue, whatever you say I will repeat back to you. Quite childish.

You seem to think we are in a work of fiction. In this particular fictional case, you guys would not really be spreading the truth, but in-fact would be a segment of the inner party set up to weed out rebellious individuals.

[cryptoanarchist]

So evolve knows people that got shot but can't tell me who - even though I lived in Aurora and might know them myself - IF THEY WERE REAL PEOPLE.

BTW, no one has collected my bounty for finding any evidence of the victims on the internet prior to 2012, so they either never existed or they just never used the internet, nor anyone else in their families.

FAKE VICTIMS. FAKE FOOTAGE, WAY FAKE WITNESSES.

Really, if you listen to Chris Ramos' fake crying and think that is real emotion, you really need to check out my beach front property for sale in Indiana.

EDIT: I'm ignoring those who only come at me with ad hominems. Throw your tantrums by yourself.

[smithy]

So evolve knows people that got shot but can't tell me who - even though I lived in Aurora and might know them myself - IF THEY WERE REAL PEOPLE.

BTW, no one has collected my bounty for finding any evidence of the victims on the internet prior to 2012, so they either never existed or they just never used the internet, nor anyone else in their families.

FAKE VICTIMS. FAKE FOOTAGE, WAY FAKE WITNESSES.

Really, if you listen to Chris Ramos' fake crying and think that is real emotion, you really need to check out my beach front property for sale in Indiana.

As I said before, go outside and get laid you freak. I can imagine you hunched in front of your computer masturbating to UFO videos on youtube, mumbling over and over to yourself "fake, it's all fake...nothing is real, man. mhhmhm sheeple" lol.
Maybe you think Batman would have flown in and saved all those people if it was real. haha my god you are pathetic.

[Taz]

As I said before, go outside and get laid you freak. I can imagine you hunched in front of your computer masturbating to UFO videos on youtube, mumbling over and over to yourself "fake, it's all fake...nothing is real, man. mhhmhm sheeple" lol.
Maybe you think Batman would have flown in and saved all those people if it was real. haha my god you are pathetic.

Ahh great smithy, now he'll never go outside.
cryptoanarchist, unless you're still in highschool, people out in the real world will rarely say these things to your face.
Rarely in front of a big crowd, while wedgying you.

[TECSHARE]

You take something said about you and spin it back at the opposition.

Now you are just being refractory and have taken my point and then just flipped it back on me as if you made it.

This is getting too meta for me. If getting the last word on a point is important to you, feel free to take it. Discussing this more will solve nothing.

This is info management 101. Ignorance is strength, freedom is slavery, I'm rubber you are glue, whatever you say I will repeat back to you. Quite childish.

You seem to think we are in a work of fiction. In this particular fictional case, you guys would not really be spreading the truth, but in-fact would be a segment of the inner party set up to weed out rebellious individuals.

Inner party? They have thousands of monkeys doing exactly what you do. Its not a grand high conspiracy, it is a matter of public record.

[evolve]

Cryptoanarchist, no one has claimed your "bounty" because no one takes you seriously.  You are a paranoid jackass with, at best, a tenuous grasp on reality. No one is going to waste time and energy trying to prove something to some random half retarded crazy person on the Internet.

[Taz]

Inner party? They have thousands of monkeys doing exactly what you do. Its not a grand high conspiracy, it is a matter of public record.

Sorry bud, you lost me.
Are you now talking Orwell or real world?

Not sure how I got arguing with you.
How much the pre-stated crazy do you agree with?

[cryptoanarchist]

You take something said about you and spin it back at the opposition.

Now you are just being refractory and have taken my point and then just flipped it back on me as if you made it.

This is getting too meta for me. If getting the last word on a point is important to you, feel free to take it. Discussing this more will solve nothing.

This is info management 101. Ignorance is strength, freedom is slavery, I'm rubber you are glue, whatever you say I will repeat back to you. Quite childish.

You seem to think we are in a work of fiction. In this particular fictional case, you guys would not really be spreading the truth, but in-fact would be a segment of the inner party set up to weed out rebellious individuals.

Inner party? They have thousands of monkeys doing exactly what you do. Its not a grand high conspiracy, it is a matter of public record.

This is from 2008:  http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2008/03/report-recruit/

from the report:

This 2006 report for the Joint Special Operations University, "Blogs and Military Information Strategy," offers a third approach — co-opting bloggers, or even putting them on the payroll. "Hiring a block of bloggers to verbally attack a specific person or promote a specific message may be worth considering," write the report’s co-authors, James Kinniburgh and Dororthy Denning.

[Taz]

This is from 2008:  http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2008/03/report-recruit/

from the report:

This 2006 report for the Joint Special Operations University, "Blogs and Military Information Strategy," offers a third approach — co-opting bloggers, or even putting them on the payroll. "Hiring a block of bloggers to verbally attack a specific person or promote a specific message may be worth considering," write the report’s co-authors, James Kinniburgh and Dororthy Denning.

Next paragraph:

Lt. Commander Marc Boyd, a U.S. Special Operations Command spokesman, says the report was merely an academic exercise. "The comments are not ‘actionable’, merely thought provoking," he tells Danger Room. "The views expressed in the article publication are entirely those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the views, policy or position of the U.S. Government, Department of Defense,

[SaltySpitoon]

I will say on the matter, I don't entirely buy into either side. I will say though, after reading through everything, Evolve you seem to be the most butt hurt here. Everyone is trying to make points, for both sides, and you do little but call them idiots. If you want to win a debate you should probably try implying that they are idiots with facts.

1. I believe that the Lil Wayne and Madonna things are coincidences, if there was some odd conspiracy going on, why would "the government" or whoever was staging it want anyone to be in on it.

2. I know for a fact, that all movie theaters are mandated to have security cameras, a few friends and I found that out the hard way, so I'm a bit curious as to why more videos haven't come up, but I'll give it a few days to a week.

3. The lack of stretchers as the ambulance responds is one of the most alarming parts to me. I'v seen ambulances prep before the call, as I have some family that works for a small town EMT/Fire Department, and if there is any doubt they they would need a stretcher, they bring them. Most of the time they have one or two with them at all times, but in a shooting case, they would bring more than multiple.

4. The witnesses are obviously lying, or over dramatizing, but I wont put it past that they are just enjoying their time on T.V

5. The "staged" photos, I don't really buy into that. If someone was actually behind this whole thing, they would sure as hell make sure that its as believable as possible, they wouldn't let that kind of thing leak. People smile when they are relieved, they could have just been happy to get out of there.

there are a lot of points that can go on both sides, more interpretations will air, and more evidence will come out for both parties. Is there a motive to stage this sort of thing? Sure. Could it be done? Sure. Was it done? Maybe. I will say the story seems a whole lot more fishy than most other stories of the type.

[evolve]

Who is trying to win a debate? Ive been very clear about what I'm doing and why...and civil discourse has nothing to do with it.

[Taz]

There is no winnable debate here, threads been off topic since OP.
evolve is expressing his/her feelings at others treatment of the incident.
For different reasons, there'll be no changing of anyone's opinions here.
I'm sure all sides are somewhat aware that.

I honestly don't know why I keep coming back,
some sort of super procrastination maybe,
there's a lot of big words on the threads I want to be reaading.

[benjamindees]

Most important to note about James Holmes, however, this report says, is that his father, Robert Holmes, was said to have been scheduled to testify within the next few weeks before a US Senate panel on the largest bank fraud scandal in world history that is currently unfolding and threatens to destabilize and destroy the Western banking system.

http://www.fourwinds10.net/siterun_data/government/war/terrorism_war/news.php?q=1343231885

[benjamindees]

(Sen. John) Kerry was born in Aurora, Colorado

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kerry

[benjamindees]

Apparently at least one witness is an actor.

The main Colorado theater shooting witness Corbin Dates/Dayton has an acting profile under different name

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/x5i73/the_main_colorado_theater_shooting_witness_corbin/

[Taz]

I've got an account with an extras service which I havent checked since creating,
Am I a professional actor now too?

[cryptoanarchist]

Apparently at least one witness is an actor.

The main Colorado theater shooting witness Corbin Dates/Dayton has an acting profile under different name

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/x5i73/the_main_colorado_theater_shooting_witness_corbin/

That seems to be the M.O.

[Raize]

Did someone say there is a bounty for identifiable information? If I were to post a series of links/searches (including two email addresses of one of the more prominent victims and phone number) would that qualify for the bounty?

[P_Shep]

This health food writer knows all about the subject:
http://www.naturalnews.com/036536_James_Holmes_shooting_false_flag.html

[bb113]

All these conspiracy theories suck. Something is weird about this but it isn't what people are claiming. 0.5 btc to someone who provides a decent source for the father being called in front of the senate soon.

[TECSHARE]

there are a lot of points that can go on both sides, more interpretations will air, and more evidence will come out for both parties. Is there a motive to stage this sort of thing? Sure. Could it be done? Sure. Was it done? Maybe. I will say the story seems a whole lot more fishy than most other stories of the type.

Most articulate sensible post I have seen so far. The truth is NO ON HERE REALLY KNOWS. Stop pretending like you have more facts than everyone else on BOTH SIDES. Ruling out either of the possibilities is just as retarded as the opposing view point. It is like two people arguing which leg is better to cut off, the right or the left. Maybe you should just put down the axe.

[Stardust]

<troll>

The CIA mind controlled Holmes using MKULTRA VII, like in all mass shootings. The purpose of those shootings are to carve crests of blood for the giant Transmutation Circle, that will ascend the 144,000 to heaven in December 2012. 6 billion people will die on that day.
The rest of conspiracy theories are meant to send conspiracy theorists on wild goose chase, lest they find out the real Truth.

</troll>

[cryptoanarchist]

All these conspiracy theories suck. Something is weird about this but it isn't what people are claiming. 0.5 btc to someone who provides a decent source for the father being called in front of the senate soon.

Most of them are BS. The only thing that is constant is that the media was involved.

The pieces are starting to fall into place for me. Basically, how these things are done is that they have a "drill" at the same time for the same thing. In this case it was a mass casualty drill at Community College of Aurora.

They use footage and fake testimony from the drill and portray it as real. Then they air Diane Sawyer with a fake crying actor and presto! ..Americans gobble it up.

[myrkul]

The pieces are starting to fall into place for me. Basically, how these things are done is that they have a "drill" at the same time for the same thing. In this case it was a mass casualty drill at Community College of Aurora.

Oh... That's interesting...

Apparently at least one witness is an actor.

The main Colorado theater shooting witness Corbin Dates/Dayton has an acting profile under different name

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/x5i73/the_main_colorado_theater_shooting_witness_corbin/

As is that.

[cryptoanarchist]

Did someone say there is a bounty for identifiable information? If I were to post a series of links/searches (including two email addresses of one of the more prominent victims and phone number) would that qualify for the bounty?

I have a bounty. But it has to pertain to actual evidence of the victims' existence PRIOR to 2012.

Any asshole can make up some email addresses, fakebook and TWITter profiles and phone numbers.

I want to see actual internet activity prior to 2012 by ANY of the victims.

[Raize]

Of course you want pre-2012. And if I provide this evidence, including two email addresses and a phone number that existed from pre-2012, you will definitely give me the bounty? How much is it? Who is your third party recommendation to be the escrow that will determine that I have provided sufficient evidence? You will transfer the BTC to someone we both agree upon and then I will reveal all the information I know via PM (to you and an escrow) and a forum post as proof. Does that sound acceptable?

Please note, immediately after I post this information in this thread I'm confident that an admin or mod will either take it down of their own free will or be requested to take it down, because I will also be alerting relevant family members, IT staff, and specific individuals (possibly law enforcement officers) as to how I found the information as well, if a mod or admin would prefer I not post it at all I will not, but I want to make sure I get this bounty.

I actually have the email for one of the people hosting the phone number on their website and I hope to close at least that Google search method down shortly after posting this.

[evolve]

I'm all for anything that will shut these conspiracy theorist morons up, but dont you think its shady to sell someones personal info to a (likely crazy) stranger on the internet for the sake of a few BTC's? You know this asshole is going to start calling and harrasing them, thats if he doesnt pass the info on to every conspiracy board on the net (so a bunch of other assholes can harass them too).  Do what you want, but its probably a bad idea.

[Raize]

Wait, how much is the bounty for?

[cryptoanarchist]

Of course you want pre-2012. And if I provide this evidence, including two email addresses and a phone number that existed from pre-2012, you will definitely give me the bounty? How much is it? Who is your third party recommendation to be the escrow that will determine that I have provided sufficient evidence? You will transfer the BTC to someone we both agree upon and then I will reveal all the information I know via PM (to you and an escrow) and a forum post as proof. Does that sound acceptable?

Please note, immediately after I post this information in this thread I'm confident that an admin or mod will either take it down of their own free will or be requested to take it down, because I will also be alerting relevant family members, IT staff, and specific individuals (possibly law enforcement officers) as to how I found the information as well, if a mod or admin would prefer I not post it at all I will not, but I want to make sure I get this bounty.

I actually have the email for one of the people hosting the phone number on their website and I hope to close at least that Google search method down shortly after posting this.

I'm not sure how this proves their existence? I can send you email addresses and phone numbers that existed pre-2012...that doesn't prove they were used by the victims.

Didn't I just say any asshole can make up an email account?

[evolve]

$20 says you never get paid either....All the proof in the world wont matter, he is a crazy person who believes in profoundly stupid bullshit (and there is no amount of reason in the world that can overcome that). Hes already being intentionally obtuse, he obviously has no intention of paying you.

[evolve]

NO ON HERE REALLY KNOWS.

Bullshit.

[foggyb]

Sorry, this doesn't really help in finding the truth, but this is too weird to ignore:

Colorado University Had Identical Drill On Same Day As ‘Batman’ Massacre

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_21126462/real-life-shooting-imitates-training-exercise-at-parker

[Raize]

I'm not sure how this proves their existence? I can send you email addresses and phone numbers that existed pre-2012...that doesn't prove they were used by the victims.

I can show *how* I got the emails and phone number using only the alleged victim's name and evidence that they were posted online by the victim pre-2012. They will be on sites relevant to other data and any rational person can easily conclude the person existed prior to 2012. A carefully worded email to the account or cell phone in question could even generate a response, assuming they survive. The evidence will be overwhelming, involving 12 different domains over 6 years, including the victim's own domain, friends' domains, domains for the groups they participate in, two academic institutions, various acronym-only foundations, InterNIC, and WayBack Machine records for any and all of the following. Google searches for specific queries will return scores more domains that would have had to have been hijacked or used to create the facade of this person online.

I'm just going to go out on a limb here and assume you don't know how to Google searches by date (we can actually exclude all news since the incident using this form of a Google search) and have no idea what the Wayback Machine is. I'm also of the impression you've never met someone like myself before that has been doing this for over a decade.

Didn't I just say any asshole can make up an email account?

Obviously. And I would agree you are exactly correct, anyone could. This is why I'm requesting you pick someone here on the forums that you trust and that has a reasonable reputation (ie, isn't just another account you own) that you think can make a logical decision that I am not just fabricating such evidence.

If you cannot provide even one person's name here on the forums that you can say you trust, then clearly you have absolutely no objective way of ruling any or all of us as being part of said conspiracy, and you are wasting our time (not to mention your own). I'm offering a chance to prove to you that one of the victims exists within a rational manner. No one in the world but you and the person you trust could receive this proof unless they follow the same trail I do, and it will definitively prove a victim did exist prior to 2012. I'm choosing *you* to prove this to, you only have to admit you trust a single Bitcoin user here on the forums enough to make a rational decision to risk your bounty.

How deep does the conspiracy go, cryptoanarchist? How deep does the conspiracy go?

I will provide you this evidence, just find someone on this forum you trust and dictate the terms of what I have to find if two emails and a phone is not enough. I can assure you I've already found more than sufficient evidence, and this is just for one of the victims.

[TECSHARE]

NO ON HERE REALLY KNOWS.

Bullshit.

Did you witness it with your own eyes? Then by definition you don't know, so shut yer shit spewin pie hole m'kay? Try having a discussion as if you aren't some kind of mongoloid wanna be expert.

[evolve]

Did you witness it with your own eyes? Then by definition you don't know, so shut yer shit spewin pie hole m'kay? Try having a discussion as if you aren't some kind of mongoloid wanna be expert.

No. I do know; I'm not a shit for brains conspiracy theorist with his head up his ass. Im pretty sure that colloidal silver you were peddling on the forums a while back gave you severe brain damage, so I can understand why you buy into this bullshit.

[cryptoanarchist]

I'm not sure how this proves their existence? I can send you email addresses and phone numbers that existed pre-2012...that doesn't prove they were used by the victims.

I can show *how* I got the emails and phone number using only the alleged victim's name and evidence that they were posted online by the victim pre-2012. They will be on sites relevant to other data and any rational person can easily conclude the person existed prior to 2012. A carefully worded email to the account or cell phone in question could even generate a response, assuming they survive. The evidence will be overwhelming, involving 12 different domains over 6 years, including the victim's own domain, friends' domains, domains for the groups they participate in, two academic institutions, various acronym-only foundations, InterNIC, and WayBack Machine records for any and all of the following. Google searches for specific queries will return scores more domains that would have had to have been hijacked or used to create the facade of this person online.

I'm just going to go out on a limb here and assume you don't know how to Google searches by date (we can actually exclude all news since the incident using this form of a Google search) and have no idea what the Wayback Machine is. I'm also of the impression you've never met someone like myself before that has been doing this for over a decade.

Didn't I just say any asshole can make up an email account?

Obviously. And I would agree you are exactly correct, anyone could. This is why I'm requesting you pick someone here on the forums that you trust and that has a reasonable reputation (ie, isn't just another account you own) that you think can make a logical decision that I am not just fabricating such evidence.

If you cannot provide even one person's name here on the forums that you can say you trust, then clearly you have absolutely no objective way of ruling any or all of us as being part of said conspiracy, and you are wasting our time (not to mention your own). I'm offering a chance to prove to you that one of the victims exists within a rational manner. No one in the world but you and the person you trust could receive this proof unless they follow the same trail I do, and it will definitively prove a victim did exist prior to 2012. I'm choosing *you* to prove this to, you only have to admit you trust a single Bitcoin user here on the forums enough to make a rational decision to risk your bounty.

How deep does the conspiracy go, cryptoanarchist? How deep does the conspiracy go?

I will provide you this evidence, just find someone on this forum you trust and dictate the terms of what I have to find if two emails and a phone is not enough. I can assure you I've already found more than sufficient evidence, and this is just for one of the victims.

If you have evidence, just post it here.

[bb113]

Yes, please post it. Every time the press reports on something I am an expert in they get it much more wrong than right... to the point people would be more informed if it had never been published. From dabbling in researching stories outside my area of expertise I would say that this appears to be the case for everything they report. People need to replace the US press, which is clearly corrupt.

If the info you have is all publicly available then there is no problem with posting it as long as you are certain you can vouch that it is accurate. Any problem that results from people harassing those who went through this is relatively insignificant to what they have gone through anyway.

[Taz]

He's waiting for cryptoanarcist to choose a trusted forum member. The chosen member will decide whether or not the evidence meets crypto's prestated requirements:

-Existed before 2012
-Do indeed belong to victim(s)

Now crypto it's your move..

[bb113]

How big is this bounty anyway? I missed that.

[Taz]

Think it was 2btc

[myrkul]

Taz, Crypto, etc., do you trust my impartiality on this matter? I think I come fairly close to the "midpoint" of this discussion, in that I do not trust what the media tells me, because at least some of it has been exposed as lies, nor do I necessarily trust what I see on the internet.

[Taz]

Well Raize put it up to crypto to choose someone,
but I guess an ideal candidate would be someone who can put away their opinion and focus on the task at hand:
Deciding "Does the evidence given, match the prerequisites asked for?"

[bb113]

2 btc who even cares... Post your info and see if he pays up.

[cryptoanarchist]

How big is this bounty anyway? I missed that.

$33

[Raize]

Ball's in his court, he clearly doesn't trust a single person on these forums enough to lend them the pathetic bounty.

[evolve]

Thats because he has no intention of paying you anything.

[cryptoanarchist]

Ball's in his court, he clearly doesn't trust a single person on these forums enough to lend them the pathetic bounty.

I'm just waiting on you to post something. What's the big secret? If there is public info that proves they exist, just point us in the right direction. The whole board will see it and if it proves their existence, I'll send the coin.

[Raize]

I don't dox for free, bud. Especially when it's someone who did absolutely nothing wrong. I've met your type before, and I don't trust you to pay, especially after your comments saying essentially "you can't prove they are using an email." Pick someone, send the BTC, PM me and your escrow the transaction ID and anyone else here that wants the info via a PM can get it on crypto's dime (just post here if you want to be PM'd) in case the post gets edited/removed.

EDIT: You're also forgetting something important, it means something if you lose money on this. Both the thread and question of your honor to pay simply fall into the obscurity of countless other posts if you haven't.

[cryptoanarchist]

I don't dox for free, bud. Especially when it's someone who did absolutely nothing wrong. I've met your type before, and I don't trust you to pay, espeically after your comments saying essentially "you can't prove they are using an email." Pick someone, send the BTC, PM me and your escrow the transaction ID and anyone else here that wants the info via a PM can get it on crypto's dime (just post here if you want to be PM'd) in case the post gets edited/removed.

EDIT: You're also forgetting something important, it means something if you lose money on this. Both the thread and question of your honor to pay simply fall into the obscurity of countless other posts if you haven't.

My bounty is for internet usage. If I can't find it myself, then its just some bullshit you made up.

I can google my name and find comments and forum posts that I've placed over the years. Why can't anyone do that for ANY of the victims?

[Raize]

Yes, that's why it'll also be every Google search you need to find the info yourself.

[cryptoanarchist]

Yes, that's why it'll also be every Google search you need to find the info yourself.

I'm not going to escrow money with anyone when all you have to do is post your information here. The ball's in your court.

[TECSHARE]

Did you witness it with your own eyes? Then by definition you don't know, so shut yer shit spewin pie hole m'kay? Try having a discussion as if you aren't some kind of mongoloid wanna be expert.

No. I do know; I'm not a shit for brains conspiracy theorist with his head up his ass. Im pretty sure that colloidal silver you were peddling on the forums a while back gave you severe brain damage, so I can understand why you buy into this bullshit.

Thanks for proof you never learned to stand upright. Use brain more, fingers and lips less.

[Raize]

I'm not going to escrow money with anyone when all you have to do is post your information here. The ball's in your court.

No, Jeremy, the ball is in your court. I don't dox for free.

[TECSHARE]

I'm not going to escrow money with anyone when all you have to do is post your information here. The ball's in your court.

No, Jeremy, the ball is in your court. I don't dox for free.

Anyone else find the idea of this bet pretty tasteless?

[cryptoanarchist]

I'm not going to escrow money with anyone when all you have to do is post your information here. The ball's in your court.

No, Jeremy, the ball is in your court. I don't dox for free.

Anyone else find the idea of this bet pretty tasteless?

I just think that the odds that none of the victims have ever left a comment or post on any blogs or forums to be slim to none. Twelve people and none of them have any internet footprint to show for it??

Try googling 12 people you know. You'll find stuff about at least half of them that pre-dates 2012.

@Raize..then I guess you won't claim the bounty. You haven't given me any reason to think you can prove anything, so there is no reason for me to bother.

[Raize]

I just think that the odds that none of the victims have ever left a comment or post on any blogs or forums to be slim to none. Twelve people and none of them have any internet footprint to show for it??

Try googling 12 people you know. You'll find stuff about at least half of them that pre-dates 2012.

Have you even tried any searches? Here's a freebie. Google News reports that Micayla Medek had her funeral today, right?

Well, duh, I do ONE SEARCH excluding results from the last two weeks and she's got a Myspace and even commented on one of her friends photos asking if her friend looked like a good batgirl in 2007:
http://www.myspace.com/wheelsdakillaclown/photos/11025782/tagged#%7B%22ImageId%22%3A11025782%7D

But there are plenty of other comments and evidence of this out there, and this isn't even the victim I researched heavily, I just did a search for "colorado victim" and took the first name to top Google News. Less than five minutes of work.

You are clearly being willfully ignorant as your Youtube account comments also seem to indicate (both your current one and the one that got removed for violating the ToS), and your reluctance to let someone else take the money and make the decision shows you are just as unreliable as your last two months of Ebay ratings (before you stopped using your account to sell your liberty dollars) indicate you are. Of course I'm not going to agree to give the information first when you've got such a shoddy record and unreliable payment history.

Thanks for wasting our time, I guess.

[cryptoanarchist]

I just think that the odds that none of the victims have ever left a comment or post on any blogs or forums to be slim to none. Twelve people and none of them have any internet footprint to show for it??

Try googling 12 people you know. You'll find stuff about at least half of them that pre-dates 2012.

Have you even tried any searches? Here's a freebie. Google News reports that Micayla Medek had her funeral today, right?

Well, duh, I do ONE SEARCH excluding results from the last two weeks and she's got a Myspace and even commented on one of her friends photos asking if her friend looked like a good batgirl in 2007:
http://www.myspace.com/wheelsdakillaclown/photos/11025782/tagged#%7B%22ImageId%22%3A11025782%7D

But there are plenty of other comments and evidence of this out there, and this isn't even the victim I researched heavily, I just did a search for "colorado victim" and took the first name to top Google News. Less than five minutes of work.

You are clearly being willfully ignorant as your Youtube account comments also seem to indicate (both your current one and the one that got removed for violating the ToS), and your reluctance to let someone else take the money and make the decision shows you are just as unreliable as your last two months of Ebay ratings (before you stopped using your account to sell your liberty dollars) indicate you are. Of course I'm not going to agree to give the information first when you've got such a shoddy record and unreliable payment history.

Thanks for wasting our time, I guess.

That's not even the same girl as the supposed victim. Same name, but definitely different person. Do you really think that qualifies as proof? Does anyone?

Are you trying to find proof of a victim's existence? Or are you trying to "out" me?

from: http://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm

5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger' ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs', 'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics', 'sexual deviates', and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

your pic:  

the supposed victim:

[Raize]

It's a picture of her friend, silly. I even mentioned that and she even mentions it as it is A COMMENT (what you wanted, right?). Click the link, y'know, her NAME in that link. You'll get this:


And that IS the same girl.

Are you trying to find proof of a victim's existence? Or are you trying to "out" me?

I think the reason why you can't find any information on the victims is because you listen to and participate in too much Alex Jones and Kokesh conspiri-tard stuff and assume that if someone says there's no info, there's no reason for you to even try. I'm not going to "out" you (like posting your email or phone) because like the victim I more-heavily doxed, you are both Ron Paul supporters (though you go as far back as 2007-2008), and frankly there's money to be made in information, especially if you pull that crap you did on Ebay on this site. Thanks for coming to my home state to participate in watching the caucuses, but please, stop being an ass online. When you say you'll be willing to pay a bounty, be willing to pay the bounty for Christ's sake.

You'd probably be surprised that I don't doubt there's stuff that screams conspiracy here, but I'm at least willing to accept the fact that people died given the evidence. What I'm not convinced of yet is who the hell the shooter really was.

As for your crap thinking I'm ridiculing you because I'm an "agent" of some sort, it could just be that I'm calling you out on your really crappy Google-fu. Which I am. Because it appears you didn't even try. And your last post seems to indicate you don't even know how.

[cryptoanarchist]

It's a picture of her friend, silly. I even mentioned that and she even mentions it as it is A COMMENT (what you wanted, right?). Click the link, y'know, her NAME in that link. You'll get this:


And that IS the same girl.

Are you trying to find proof of a victim's existence? Or are you trying to "out" me?

I think the reason why you can't find any information on the victims is because you listen to and participate in too much Alex Jones and Kokesh conspiri-tard stuff and assume that if someone says there's no info, there's no reason for you to even try. I'm not going to "out" you (like posting your email or phone) because like the victim I more-heavily doxed, you are both Ron Paul supporters (though you go as far back as 2007-2008), and frankly there's money to be made in information, especially if you pull that crap you did on Ebay on this site. Thanks for coming to my home state to participate in watching the caucuses, but please, stop being an ass online. When you say you'll be willing to pay a bounty, be willing to pay the bounty for Christ's sake.

You'd probably be surprised that I don't doubt there's stuff that screams conspiracy here, but I'm at least willing to accept the fact that people died given the evidence. What I'm not convinced of yet is who the hell the shooter really was.

As for your crap thinking I'm ridiculing you because I'm an "agent" of some sort, it could just be that I'm calling you out on your really crappy Google-fu. Which I am. Because it appears you didn't even try. And your last post seems to indicate you don't even know how.

Raize..let me repost this for you:

from: http://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm

5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger' ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs', 'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics', 'sexual deviates', and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

If you spent as much time providing evidence of the victims existence as you do attempting to "attack the messenger", I might find your bullshit believable, but I don't. Your problem is you're a kid who wants to show how much smarter you are than everyone else and not realizing no one gives a shit. I didn't attack you, I just asked for facts. You coming after me, rather than just presenting a case, reveals your true intentions.

Apparently, you think you know who I am and are using this thread to accuse me of things I'm not aware of. Well, for the record, you don't know what you're talking about. You've made connections where none exist. I'm hardly the only 'cryptoanarchist' on the internet, retard.

If you were really so savvy, you'd be aware that I'm no fan of either Alex Jones or Adam Kokesh. If you knew my actual youtube name, you'd know that I was attacking Alex as a gatekeeper, not buying into him.

I think you need to get off your high horse and realize that your "google-fu" doesn't really make you clever. Any asshole can use a search engine, and you got me almost completely wrong, so do yourself a favor and try not to jerk yourself off to hard. So bullshit that you started aside, let's address the actual evidence, shall we?

I don't use social networking sites so I'm not familiar with the "tagged photo" concept, so I missed the connection the first time (I do have other things to do, you know), but that profile is fishy to me. I mean, what a fuckin coincidence the guy has batman photos and the picture in question is a girl in a batman mask. Very nice that the pic you sent is stuck on "33" views as well. The profile is very limited like it was slapped together.

It technically meets the criteria of my bounty though, so your baseless accusations aside I'll send you the btc. Send me an address. I want to check a few things first though. I don't think it comes close to proving that anyone died, but it does provide more clues.

[Raize]

Apparently, you think you know who I am

I always find at least two verifiable ways to attach online personas to other online personas or to real identities. With you I have at least four ways of tying your real full name to everything you've done online both personal and business-wise. You could delete every post you've made on the forum at this point and I'd still be able to tie you to your real identity via cached posts, screenshots, wayback machine, and various other methods. Your hubris and the fact that on every online identify you've ever used you've bragged about being involved in the A*CS (* replacing one of the letters) is what allowed me to verify everything and know for sure I have the right person.

You coming after me, rather than just presenting a case, reveals your true intentions.

Yeah, to make Bitcoin, dumbshit. I don't even really care that much about the Aurora crap. I kind of figured it'd be obvious since I was willing to provide a victim's personal info for a bounty. I only started focusing on you to prove I was real. Instead, you interpret it as an "attack" and retreat into a corner thinking I actually care about how you feel right now. I don't care about you, Jeremy, I just want the bounty that I unfortunately had to reveal to everyone here you seem to never have had any intention of paying.

Also, thank you for admitting I found exactly what you paid the bounty for. I'm sorry you believe it is "fishy" but it meets the requirements of what you indicated.

The deal for the original info I had is now expired.

Since you are now denying that I've accumulated anything of value, clearly you won't mind me selling this information. Cryptoanarchist's phone number, Ebay, Youtube accounts, birthplace, and email address (along with all the links/searches I used to get and verify them) is available for 5 BTC. I am pretty confident I can get more info, but this is just what I recorded with the brief searches I did. Obviously this deal isn't available to Cryptoanarchist, he's shown he's unable or unwilling to pay.

[cryptoanarchist]

Apparently, you think you know who I am

I always find at least two verifiable ways to attach online personas to other online personas or to real identities. With you I have at least four ways of tying your real full name to everything you've done online both personal and business-wise. You could delete every post you've made on the forum at this point and I'd still be able to tie you to your real identity via cached posts, screenshots, wayback machine, and various other methods. Your hubris and the fact that on every online identify you've ever used you've bragged about being involved in the A*CS (* replacing one of the letters) is what allowed me to verify everything and know for sure I have the right person.

You coming after me, rather than just presenting a case, reveals your true intentions.

Yeah, to make Bitcoin, dumbshit. I don't even really care that much about the Aurora crap. I kind of figured it'd be obvious since I was willing to provide a victim's personal info for a bounty. I only started focusing on you to prove I was real. Instead, you interpret it as an "attack" and retreat into a corner thinking I actually care about how you feel right now. I don't care about you, Jeremy, I just want the bounty that I unfortunately had to reveal to everyone here you seem to never have had any intention of paying.

Also, thank you for admitting I found exactly what you paid the bounty for. I'm sorry you believe it is "fishy" but it meets the requirements of what you indicated. Your payment can go here:
1F2cHXZVHcW5q2LMmvCSDQqAZHCS4uBLAD

The deal for the original info I had is now expired.

Since you are now denying that I've accumulated anything of value, clearly you won't mind me selling this information. Cryptoanarchist's phone number, Ebay, Youtube accounts, birthplace, and email address (along with all the links/searches I used to get and verify them) is available for 5 BTC. I am pretty confident I can get more info, but this is just what I recorded with the brief searches I did. Obviously this deal isn't available to Cryptoanarchist, he's shown he's unable or unwilling to pay.

You're right. Your last post just did make me unwilling to pay. I admitted you got me what the bounty required, but offering to "sell my info" (even if it is wrong) goes beyond any decency. I'm convinced anyone that I would deal with can read this post and see you're an asshole. I wouldn't expect someone to pay a bounty to someone who had verbally abused the bounty poster and threatened to sell his info. I'm not going to fund my attacker. Sorry, but you just blew it.

[evolve]

Hahahahahahahahahaha I knew it....play it off however you want, but I fucking knew you wouldn't pay!!!!!

What makes it extra funny is you acting all indignant about someone selling your info, when that's EXACTLY what you asked him to do TO A FUCKING MASS SHOOTING VICTIM.

Honor and brains, you really are the whole package, huh?

[Taz]

You are clearly being willfully ignorant as your Youtube account comments also seem to indicate (both your current one and the one that got removed for violating the ToS), and your reluctance to let someone else take the money and make the decision shows you are just as unreliable as your last two months of Ebay ratings (before you stopped using your account to sell your liberty dollars) indicate you are. Of course I'm not going to agree to give the information first when you've got such a shoddy record and unreliable payment history.

Thanks for wasting our time, I guess.

Raize, you scare me.

unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs', 'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics', 'sexual deviates', and so forth.

crypto, how many of these names have you been called before?

[Raize]

evolve,
He's changed his reason for not paying three times. First, he indicated he trusted no one else on this forum to make the decision. Second, he indicated no one had the skills, anyway. Third, when shown someone has the skills, he whines he won't pay because he feels threatened and the person that has the skills is just being vain.

Here's the play-by-play on what you did, Jeremy:
Said no one had the skill to pay it off. When presented with someone who did, clearly wanted a demonstration of that skill.
Didn't seem to realize I used his first name and Ebay history to prove I really did have the skills and to justify why I requested an escrow.
Doesn't understand how to read a simple description of what a link to a social networking site is.
Doesn't know how to do Google, thinks someone is "bragging" if they know how to.
Denies I actually know any personally identifiable info about him despite trying to make the argument that I'm threatening to personally identify him publicly.
Now refuses to pay because I apparently actually do have personally identifiable info and I am willing to sell it privately.

I'm convinced anyone that I would deal with can read this post and see you're an asshole.

I already know I'm an asshole. But I've always been one, and especially to other assholes. Your Youtube comments range from borderline mentally-instable to fascist to sexist and anti-semitic. I don't even really care about them, frankly, but if you're trying to make yourself out to be some sort of saint who doesn't deserve being treated this way for refusing to pay a bounty, you're sorely mistaken. Also, not choosing an escrow was testing my patience.

But by far, the biggest reason I'm being an asshole? You continued to deny I had the skills necessary even as I identified who you were. Now that I've exposed enough to verify I can identify you and explained why I couldn't trust you to pay the bounty yourself, you're upset. Pobrecito. You're not the one that spent a few hours the last two nights looking up personal info about a Colorado shooting victim and some prick living a few miles away that doesn't believe the victim was shot. Trust me, I have every reason to be pissed, here.

Quoting again:

I'm convinced anyone that I would deal with can read this post and see you're an asshole.

The people you "deal with" will read these posts and see I know exactly who you are. And they'll pay me for that information. Anyone you "deal with" can also see you for the shoddy, untrustworthy, conspiracy-laden nut-job you are, unwilling to even pay a paltry bounty. You overestimate both your importance and mine. The difference between us seems to be that I don't go bragging about who I am or where I've been on every online persona I have, and then act surprised when someone uses the fact that I've done so to find out exactly who I am. Another difference seem to be that I really don't care if I get identified, I don't even actively try to hide who I am, I've just been using the same alias for 15 years and old habits die hard.

There's really no money in publicly posting detailed work for a non-guaranteed bounty. Next time don't say you'll pay a bounty when you clearly have no intention of doing so. If, like your last post, all you have left is ad homeniem attacks to defend your fragile ego, I'm done with this thread.

Raize, you scare me.

Taz,
I really shouldn't. I've been registered on this forum for over a year and a half and even with the scammers or others I've dealt with I've never come across someone who spends the majority of every single online moment to talk about conspiracy, race, or gender in pretty much every comment since 2009. I think he started off selling Liberty dollars and then fell into the conspiracy stuff after the guy making them was busted for making them too strikingly similar to US coins.

After 2009, he went bizarro, and it really comes across on the Youtube comments. I only briefly glanced over them the other night when I was fishing for info, but as I went more than just a couple pages in I realized it's people like him that really make me hate Youtube comments. The sheer ignorance in his comments is astounding.

Still, the wasting of my time here was what really set me off. Well, that and his righteous indignance that no single person existed with the skill set to find anything on the shooting victims. Worse, he's too old to act the way he does, bitter, resentful, & jaded and I'm thankful I ran across him, I'll be his age sooner than he thinks I will and I really hope/pray I don't end up the same way.

But you're right, if I do end up that way in half a decade, I will be *very* scary. I won't deny it.

[stoppots]

Did someone say there is a bounty for identifiable information? If I were to post a series of links/searches (including two email addresses of one of the more prominent victims and phone number) would that qualify for the bounty?

I have a bounty. But it has to pertain to actual evidence of the victims' existence PRIOR to 2012.

Any asshole can make up some email addresses, fakebook and TWITter profiles and phone numbers.

I want to see actual internet activity prior to 2012 by ANY of the victims.

My bounty is for internet usage. If I can't find it myself, then its just some bullshit you made up.

I can google my name and find comments and forum posts that I've placed over the years. Why can't anyone do that for ANY of the victims?

Believe I have made good on this bounty. Victims name is Jessica Ghawi who was an upcoming sports writer. She mainly seemed to cover hockey and the following is some of her activities that resulted from this. If any questions let me know.

4 Articles written by Jessica for the site busted coverage in 2011.
http://bustedcoverage.com/author/jessicaredfield/

Her blog. Which is mainly her thoughts and account of her narrowly avoiding another public shooting in Toronto a month and a half before the Aurora shooting.
http://jessicaredfield.wordpress.com/

She was very active on twitter though she also used her writing name on her twitter account. Scrolled and scrolled only to find twitter would only go as far back as Jan.1



ttp://yfrog.com/ny3zvpzoj
Page which offers Jessicas reason for writing under the last name Redfield. After about 8 articles each from different collegues telling brief stories and descriptions of her, then the actual reasoning concerning writing name.
http://deadspin.com/5927782/why-jessica-ghawi-wrote-under-the-name-redfield-and-other-moving-stories-from-the-shooting-victims-colleagues

Be nice to see the actual tweets this image came from, which was between her and the busted coverage twitter account. Didn't bother scrolling twitter this time. Seems like all that would be cached somewhere, not sure.



Page offers a high resolution picture of her in the pressbox where she covered the avalanche's hockey games for Mile High Hockey. After clickingthe image, it will opens then click it again and it zooms to portion were she is sitting.

http://blogs.denverpost.com/avs/2012/07/21/remembering-jessica-redfield-press-box-loved/11171/




Video on youtube posted in December of 2010 when an intern for KTKR radio. She apperently is going to do her 1st real video interview. This interview is with San Antonio Rampage's Chris Summers who's main purpose it seems is to fulfilling his obligation on a bet he lost on a football game. She slips and falls on the ice several times, and at the end he is shown singing a song I think is a justin beiber song. Same one greeney did on mike and mike when he lost a bet.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY8l1gZTPoA


A few other things to note that may help verify or show a trail. She was raised in Texas and lived there prior to living in Colorado. May of been in or around Dallas/Ft Worth area,  she mentioned the Dallas Stars in a few articles. She has a brother named Jordan Ghawi and a boyfriend named Jay Meloff who is aspiring to play professional hockey.

1st article Jessicas friend wrote the night of the shooting, the 2nd she wrote today.
http://denver.sbnation.com/denver-cutthroats/2012/7/20/3168850/jay-meloff-denver-cutthroats-hockey
http://denver.sbnation.com/denver-cutthroats/2012/7/27/3192683/jay-meloff-jessica-redfield-denver-cutthroats

Any facebook correspondence or pictures between her brother or boyfriend as well as other friends and family may also be of use. Like you though, I don't facebook either. I will however listen to a good conspiracy, debate any I believe to be true or wish to voice my thoughts or beliefs on.

Ship it
uhUHuhUdiDnTsAyTHeMaGIcWOrD

[cryptoanarchist]

@stoppots

Without really going over what you got I'm going to send you the bounty for providing evidence without attacking me. It can be done.

Send me an address. 

I'm eager to take a look at what you sent, I'm sure it will help further my case in the long run too.

[Raoul Duke]

@stoppots

Without really going over what you got I'm going to send you the bounty for providing evidence without attacking me. It can be done.

Send me an address. 

I'm eager to take a look at what you sent, I'm sure it will help further my case in the long run too.

If you went over what he posted you would find the address at the end

[stoppots]

Message sent

I went back and added the BTC addy and also a couple of images after originally posting. Took a little longer uploading to image host.

Stay away from them social networking sites. Evil

[stoppots]

coins received, appreciate it!

[Taz]

lol, damn!
crypto, I've got an empty folder of stuff that agrees with you theory,
can I get btc too?

[cryptoanarchist]

More evidence:

http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2012/07/25/aurora-massacre-james-holmes-mugshot-taken-same-day-of-his-court-appearance/

The mug shot is the first thing the police do. If he was processed Friday night, he should have had more facial hair by the Monday arraignment. Also, he would not have had jail clothes on during the mug shot.

The mug shot was taken Monday morning. Why?

[Taz]

He was wearing SWAT type gear, they wouldn't let him where that inside.
Do you accept this?

[TiagoTiago]

He was wearing SWAT type gear, they wouldn't let him where that inside.
Do you accept this?

He used a fire exit to go get his gear after going inside the theater as a normal person.

[Raoul Duke]

He was wearing SWAT type gear, they wouldn't let him where that inside.
Do you accept this?

He used a fire exit to go get his gear after going inside the theater as a normal person.

Orange hair and normal person just doesn't compute lol

[cryptoanarchist]

[Taz]

Sweet zombie jesus!
How did you make that?
You must be some sort of geniuos!

[stoppots]

Someone who was in the theater that noticed him, said that he looked as if he had gotten a phone call and used the fire/emergency exit down by the bottom of movie screen. This also being very close to the seat that he chose to sit in.

Police say they believe he acted alone. So his plan of faking a phone call to enable/excuse his using the fire door to then access his car, from which he took the time to gear up and then regained access through that same door is indeed pretty smart.

Think I heard that when he returned, he stated that he was the real joker, gassed them, and then opened up. Imagined a figure stepping threw the door and then all you see is this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=ULFbsgHbXubGU&feature=player_detailpage&v=FbsgHbXubGU#t=112s

[Taz]

Someone who was in the theater that noticed him, said that he looked as if he had gotten a phone call and used the fire/emergency exit down by the bottom of movie screen. This also being very close to the seat that he chose to sit in.

Police say they believe he acted alone. So his plan of faking a phone call to enable/excuse his using the fire door to then access his car, from which he took the time to gear up and then regained access through that same door is indeed pretty smart.

Think I heard that when he returned, he stated that he was the real joker, gassed them, and then opened up. Imagined a figure stepping threw the door and then all you see is this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbsgHbXubGU&feature=player_detailpage#t=96s

That's what he used?!
Holy fuck!

[stoppots]

Someone who was in the theater that noticed him, said that he looked as if he had gotten a phone call and used the fire/emergency exit down by the bottom of movie screen. This also being very close to the seat that he chose to sit in.

Police say they believe he acted alone. So his plan of faking a phone call to enable/excuse his using the fire door to then access his car, from which he took the time to gear up and then regained access through that same door is indeed pretty smart.

Think I heard that when he returned, he stated that he was the real joker, gassed them, and then opened up. Imagined a figure stepping threw the door and then all you see is this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbsgHbXubGU&feature=player_detailpage#t=112s

That's what he used?!
Holy fuck!

He used an AR-15, a shotgun, and also a handgun believed to be a glock. Would doubt the glock would be full auto like that one, but the AR-15 certainly could have been made to be.

That video was posted by this guy on the 2nd page.
http://aloha.pk/index.php?topic=849.0

 In the 1st post 1st pg, the next eventinhe gives his account and later post that video as a an explanation for wat he was having concerns about seeing but couldn't explain. Those types of incediary rounds coming through the ajoining wall as possibly being wat he had saw.

Several different versions of AR's avalliable. More than likely he made use of high capacity clips. One guy said he continued shooting and never had to reload. Another said he returned to his car once then came shooting more.

[TiagoTiago]

He was wearing SWAT type gear, they wouldn't let him where that inside.
Do you accept this?

He used a fire exit to go get his gear after going inside the theater as a normal person.

Orange hair and normal person just doesn't compute lol

I've seen way crazier hair on many people; in modern times strong hair colors aren't exactly rare.

[Raoul Duke]

He was wearing SWAT type gear, they wouldn't let him where that inside.
Do you accept this?

He used a fire exit to go get his gear after going inside the theater as a normal person.

Orange hair and normal person just doesn't compute lol

I've seen way crazier hair on many people; in modern times strong hair colors aren't exactly rare.

but... but... it doesn't match his skin tone! 

[TiagoTiago]

He was wearing SWAT type gear, they wouldn't let him where that inside.
Do you accept this?

He used a fire exit to go get his gear after going inside the theater as a normal person.

Orange hair and normal person just doesn't compute lol

I've seen way crazier hair on many people; in modern times strong hair colors aren't exactly rare.

but... but... it doesn't match his skin tone! 

I was talking about artificially colored hair.

[Raoul Duke]

He was wearing SWAT type gear, they wouldn't let him where that inside.
Do you accept this?

He used a fire exit to go get his gear after going inside the theater as a normal person.

Orange hair and normal person just doesn't compute lol

I've seen way crazier hair on many people; in modern times strong hair colors aren't exactly rare.

but... but... it doesn't match his skin tone! 

I was talking about artificially colored hair.

So was I.

[Taz]

He was wearing SWAT type gear, they wouldn't let him where that inside.
Do you accept this?

He used a fire exit to go get his gear after going inside the theater as a normal person.

Orange hair and normal person just doesn't compute lol

I've seen way crazier hair on many people; in modern times strong hair colors aren't exactly rare.

but... but... it doesn't match his skin tone! 

I was talking about artificially colored hair.

So was I.

Well, if it has the desired effect..

[Raoul Duke]

He was wearing SWAT type gear, they wouldn't let him where that inside.
Do you accept this?

He used a fire exit to go get his gear after going inside the theater as a normal person.

Orange hair and normal person just doesn't compute lol

I've seen way crazier hair on many people; in modern times strong hair colors aren't exactly rare.

but... but... it doesn't match his skin tone! 

I was talking about artificially colored hair.

So was I.

Well, if it has the desired effect..

Damn, Taz. Thanks for the nightmares! 

[stoppots]

Prolly see an above and beyond text book case of insanity defense and he prolly is. Unless he discussed it with someone he trusted and premeditation can be proved.

You would think people in this area might be a little more open and willing to talk about or share feelings, thoughts,  or fantasies with people they trust since the same type of atrocity has happened right down the road not very long ago.

Probably will be in depth investigations into finding any correlation between this occurrence and columbine.

[myrkul]

Pertinent: http://anarchyinyourhead.com/2012/07/28/my-shiny-new-conspiracy-theory/

[Taz]

This is brilliant.
Finally a conspiracy based on cold hard facts.
You can see all the evidence right in front of you.
Thanks, myrkul. I believe.

[cryptoanarchist]

Pertinent: http://anarchyinyourhead.com/2012/07/28/my-shiny-new-conspiracy-theory/

eh...I never thought they were two different pics. There is a media-fakery forum that has been infiltrated with cointelpro that puts out that kind of stuff. Like now they are saying the doctor from the hospital is being played by Tom Cruise. They're taking something real (like actors playing witnesses) and trying to discredit it with this kind of thing.

They're using the same guy for a patsy. There is PLENTY of other media fakery to focus on.

[AndrewBUD]

Now the govment can protect us from white people........

[benjamindees]

The New York Police Department will soon launch an all-seeing "Domain Awareness System" that combines several streams of information to track both criminals and potential terrorists.

New York Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly says... Saturday before an audience at the Aspen Security Forum.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NYPD_SURVEILLANCE_SOFTWARE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-07-28-18-18-20

Cortronic neural network unveiled just a few hours from Aurora?

[myrkul]

In the wake of America’s recent shooting spree...

Well said. Young white males are statistically much more likely to kill you, here in the states, than any other ethnicity. We need to watch them closely!

 

[myrkul]

Not just Muslims and Muslim-appearing people, but "furriners" in general. It's disgusting.

[mc_lovin]

I will go to the cinema and watch the Dark Knight Rises, for if I don’t, they win, and we lose.

In my opinion, the government is behind all this and if you go to see that movie, they win.

I think they did this whole thing as a ploy to:

1.) promote the movie
2.) use the shooting as a way to enforce stricter gun laws in the USSA
3.) use the shooting as a way to put through the "Obama Care" health plan, because of the stories about the "victims" not having health care

I think everyone in that particular theater where the shooting took place, was an actor.  If the showing was "sold out", that means that they had an opportunity to have all the tickets to that cinema pre-sold. 

Either that or they actually did shoot those innocent people.  If that's the case, I think he was brainwashed by the government to pull off that act. 

[Scott J]

I will go to the cinema and watch the Dark Knight Rises, for if I don’t, they win, and we lose.

In my opinion, the government is behind all this and if you go to see that movie, they win.

I think they did this whole thing as a ploy to:

1.) promote the movie
2.) use the shooting as a way to enforce stricter gun laws in the USSA
3.) use the shooting as a way to put through the "Obama Care" health plan, because of the stories about the "victims" not having health care

I think everyone in that particular theater where the shooting took place, was an actor.  If the showing was "sold out", that means that they had an opportunity to have all the tickets to that cinema pre-sold. 

Either that or they actually did shoot those innocent people.  If that's the case, I think he was brainwashed by the government to pull off that act. 

You're joking, right?

[cryptoanarchist]

I will go to the cinema and watch the Dark Knight Rises, for if I don’t, they win, and we lose.

In my opinion, the government is behind all this and if you go to see that movie, they win.

I think they did this whole thing as a ploy to:

1.) promote the movie
2.) use the shooting as a way to enforce stricter gun laws in the USSA
3.) use the shooting as a way to put through the "Obama Care" health plan, because of the stories about the "victims" not having health care

I think everyone in that particular theater where the shooting took place, was an actor.  If the showing was "sold out", that means that they had an opportunity to have all the tickets to that cinema pre-sold.  

Either that or they actually did shoot those innocent people.  If that's the case, I think he was brainwashed by the government to pull off that act.  

+1  Glad to see not everyone on here is brainwashed by the television.

Just curious - for those of you who think this shooting was real and not the media just making shit up, do you guys think we landed on the moon with '60s rocket technology too?


 looks like a spacecraft to me...derp derp

[Taz]

I will go to the cinema and watch the Dark Knight Rises, for if I don’t, they win, and we lose.

In my opinion, the government is behind all this and if you go to see that movie, they win.

I think they did this whole thing as a ploy to:

1.) promote the movie
2.) use the shooting as a way to enforce stricter gun laws in the USSA
3.) use the shooting as a way to put through the "Obama Care" health plan, because of the stories about the "victims" not having health care

I think everyone in that particular theater where the shooting took place, was an actor.  If the showing was "sold out", that means that they had an opportunity to have all the tickets to that cinema pre-sold. 

Either that or they actually did shoot those innocent people.  If that's the case, I think he was brainwashed by the government to pull off that act. 

+1  Glad to see not everyone on here is brainwashed by the television.

Just curious - for those of you who think this shooting was real and not the media just making shit up, do you guys think we landed on the moon with '60s rocket technology too?

What of course not, those 60's cavemen were retards.
Nothing worth doing ever came out of any time but the one you live in.

Curiosity right back at ya:
What is wrong with the "he's a psycho" theory?

[myrkul]

terrorist is reserved only for muslims

Not so, my friend... The Islamic terrorists just happen to be the most active terror groups today (well, if you don't count the various governments around the world that employ terror tactics). That said, the US does currently seem to be in a holy war against Islamist nations, and is using the convenient label of terrorist to do so. But that label is not restricted to brown people who pray towards Mecca, or even just people who pray towards Mecca... anyone, white, yellow red or brown can be labeled a suspect in the war on terror, and bundled away in a black bag, never to be seen again.

This guy was not labeled a terrorist because he didn't do it for a cause. He just did it 'cause he's nuts. If there were a cause, such as I donno, the IRA or something, he'd have been justly named a terrorist.

[Taz]

terrorist is reserved only for muslims

Not so, my friend... The Islamic terrorists just happen to be the most active terror groups today (well, if you don't count the various governments around the world that employ terror tactics). That said, the US does currently seem to be in a holy war against Islamist nations, and is using the convenient label of terrorist to do so. But that label is not restricted to brown people who pray towards mecca, or even just people who pray towards mecca... anyone, white, yellow red or brown can be labeled a suspect in the war on terror, and bundled away in a black bag, never to be seen again.

This guy was not labeled a terrorist because he didn't do it for a cause. He just did it 'cause he's nuts. If there were a cause, such as I donno, the IRA or something, he'd have been justly named a terrorist.

But who's more likely to be branded:
The white security concious fundamentalist or
The honest decent brown guy that for got to throw away his lighter at the airport?

[myrkul]

Just curious - for those of you who think this shooting was real and not the media just making shit up, do you guys think we landed on the moon with '60s rocket technology too?

Crypto, now you've really went off the deep end.

But who's more likely to be branded:
The white security conscious fundamentalist or
The honest decent brown guy that forgot to throw away his lighter at the airport?

Actually... I'd say they're both equally likely to get the label, or at least suspected, and I don't envy that brown guy the cavity search he will likely catch, but if the white dude comes to the attention of those in authority, well...

[cryptoanarchist]

Just curious - for those of you who think this shooting was real and not the media just making shit up, do you guys think we landed on the moon with '60s rocket technology too?

Crypto, now you've really went off the deep end.

You're right...clearly this is a spacecraft capable of flying 500,000 miles through the van allen belts:


Gee Timmy, those thrusters look cool! Where did you get that poster board?

[myrkul]

I am just pointing out the double standards, whether a muslim does a horrible crime for a cause or without cause, whatever the reason its always because of islam/quran and he/she is a terrorist.

Good points, I think the IRS guy wasn't called a terrorist because he actually attacked the organization he had the difficulty with, and not civilians, but *shrug*, a good point nonetheless.

oh and lets not forget that person in norway , he had a cause..... he wasnt called a terrorist, i have yet to see anyone calling him terrorist

As for Anders Breivik, Wikipedia would beg to differ with your assessment:

Anders Behring Breivik is a Norwegian accused mass murderer, terrorist and the confessed perpetrator of the 2011 attacks in Norway.

The problem is that the extremists, on both sides of the issue, are the loudest. While we whisper peace and love, they are shouting hate to the rafters. I applaud your attempt to turn up the volume, but you're preaching to the choir, here.

Gee Timmy, those thrusters look cool! Where did you get that poster board?

So you're saying, that because a sketchy website posted a picture of a dented LEM, the moon landing was faked?

[cryptoanarchist]

Gee Timmy, those thrusters look cool! Where did you get that poster board?

So you're saying, that because a sketchy website posted a picture of a dented LEM, the moon landing was faked?

There are dozens of reasons, but that picture is especially laughable. And yes, that IS an official pic. I just used that site cause I knew they were there.

[myrkul]

Gee Timmy, those thrusters look cool! Where did you get that poster board?

So you're saying, that because a sketchy website posted a picture of a dented LEM, the moon landing was faked?

There are dozens of reasons, but that picture is especially laughable. And yes, that IS an official pic. I just used that site cause I knew they were there.

OK, let's assume that that is a TRU FAX picture of the LEM. What are those dents and such supposed to prove, hmm?

[cryptoanarchist]

OK, let's assume that that is a TRU FAX picture of the LEM. What are those dents and such supposed to prove, hmm?

Dents? Dude, do those look like real thrusters to you? Don't you think the siding for such a spacecraft would at least have some straight seams? Would it have sloppy, overlapping corner pieces that look like plastic drywall corners? How about the exposed wood grain around the base of the one plastic thruster. Did they make it with plywood? You seriously think we went to the moon? Don't you think if we went there in the 60s with the technology of the time, we'd be going there now? There'd be Hiltons on the moon by now.

If they fooled America into thinking we landed on the MOON in the 60s, I think faking a shooting should be pretty easy by now.

[myrkul]

Good points, I think the IRS guy wasn't called a terrorist because he actually attacked the organization he had the difficulty with, and not civilians, but *shrug*, a good point nonetheless.

well there were innocent people in the building and possibly innocent people just outside the building, when you fly a plane into a building you would know innocent civilians are going to die. the next day i didnt see anyone abusing or spitting on white people....

Sad but true, I'm afraid. But then, Americans have earned plenty of hate outside the US. Hell, even in European countries we're not exactly the welcome sight we used to be.

As for Anders Breivik, Wikipedia would beg to differ with your assessment:
Anders Behring Breivik is a Norwegian accused mass murderer, terrorist and the confessed perpetrator of the 2011 attacks in Norway.

ok good one, though i would like to see most of western media , cnn/fox etc.. mentioning he was white christian terrorist as they do with muslims.

Actually, I did hear some brief noises about "Christian terrorist" after that incident, but they did fade pretty quick. Maybe on Al-Jazeera they lasted a little longer than on CNN, but I don't know.

The problem is that the extremists, on both sides of the issue, are the loudest. While we whisper peace and love, they are shouting hate to the rafters. I applaud your attempt to turn up the volume, but you're preaching to the choir, here.

yes extremists on both sides, yet most know only of muslim terrorists , mention islam/muslim/arab/mosque and first thing that comes to mind is terrorism

Thankfully, not to all people. In order, what comes to mind for me is: Big black Rock/Dude with a Taqiyah on (had to look that up, actually... learn something new every day)/Dude with a Kufiya on (I confess, I had to look that name up, too)/Dudes on rugs bowing and praying

But I am admittedly more open-minded than most. So what I think of might not be what is immediately conjured by those who blindly follow the mass media.

[myrkul]

OK, let's assume that that is a TRU FAX picture of the LEM. What are those dents and such supposed to prove, hmm?

Dents? Dude, do those look like real thrusters to you? Don't you think the siding for such a spacecraft would at least have some straight seams? Would it have sloppy, overlapping corner pieces that look like plastic drywall corners? How about the exposed wood grain around the base of the one plastic thruster. Did they make it with plywood? You seriously think we went to the moon? Don't you think if we went there in the 60s with the technology of the time, we'd be going there now? There'd be Hiltons on the moon by now.

If they fooled America into thinking we landed on the MOON in the 60s, I think faking a shooting should be pretty easy by now.

1. yes, those do indeed look like aluminum.

2. The seams are straight, and are presumably overlapped like that for strength.

3. The "wood grain" looks more like copper, to me.

4. Yes, I do indeed know we went to the moon, we have proof.

5. And if the lunar missions had been funded privately, yes, we may well have had a Hilton on the moon, and Paris may well have been named Tranquility, instead. But, they were not, they were government funded, which means that NASA is constantly fighting a battle for funding with the military budget, a battle they recently lost completely. Probably due to people like you who don't possibly believe that government could do anything right except kill people.

But that's OK, in a few more years, when private spaceflight gets to the moon, they'll find Buzz's footprints, and you'll be conclusively proven wrong. Though I doubt you will shut up about it even then.

[cryptoanarchist]

1. yes, those do indeed look like aluminum.

2. The seams are straight, and are presumably overlapped like that for strength.

3. The "wood grain" looks more like copper, to me.

4. Yes, I do indeed know we went to the moon, we have proof.

5. And if the lunar missions had been funded privately, yes, we may well have had a Hilton on the moon, and Paris may well have been named Tranquility, instead. But, they were not, they were government funded, which means that NASA is constantly fighting a battle for funding with the military budget, a battle they recently lost completely. Probably due to people like you who don't possibly believe that government could do anything right except kill people.

But that's OK, in a few more years, when private spaceflight gets to the moon, they'll find Buzz's footprints, and you'll be conclusively proven wrong. Though I doubt you will shut up about it even then.

Do you believe in the Easter bunny too?

[myrkul]

Do you believe in the Easter bunny too?

No, but, then, I can't shine a laser at the Easter Bunny and get a return, now can I?

[Raoul Duke]

Do you believe in the Easter bunny too?

No, but, then, I can't shine a laser at the Easter Bunny and get a return, now can I?

That's only cause he hops like a madmanbunny.

[Taz]

Hey crypto, what's wrong with the "He's a psycho" theory?

[Scott J]

Hey crypto, what's wrong with the "He's a psycho" theory?

Obviously that's much more unbelievable than a complex conspiracy theory involving hundreds of people that would unravel with just one weak link.

[cryptoanarchist]

Hey crypto, what's wrong with the "He's a psycho" theory?

Obviously that's much more unbelievable than a complex conspiracy theory involving hundreds of people that would unravel with just one weak link.

The way its been told is WAY more unbelievable than cops and the media making shit up. That's probably why there are thousands if not millions of people who don't buy it.

Unravel with one weak link? I don't think so. There already are weak links like the doctored evidence picture of the gas mask (look that one up). The reason it won't unravel is that most of you will continue to believe the lie even when evidence to the contrary is right in your face.

[TiagoTiago]

That is one of the issues with events conspiracy theories tend to revolve around; it is usually stuff so absurd that "normal" people have a hard time believing it could be true, regardless of actual facts. Another thing is that often the alleged strings are arranged in such a way that it is plausible that even if it was real it would still look like it isn't for most people.

[Scott J]

Hey crypto, what's wrong with the "He's a psycho" theory?

Obviously that's much more unbelievable than a complex conspiracy theory involving hundreds of people that would unravel with just one weak link.

The way its been told is WAY more unbelievable than cops and the media making shit up. That's probably why there are thousands if not millions of people who don't buy it.

Unravel with one weak link? I don't think so. There already are weak links like the doctored evidence picture of the gas mask (look that one up). The reason it won't unravel is that most of you will continue to believe the lie even when evidence to the contrary is right in your face.

All it would take is on whistle blower to blow the whole thing wide open. But it won't happen, because there is no conspiracy.

Your burden of proof is so low and your logic so crazy that it scares me.

There were some inconsistencies in some statements = the government did it!

People being interviewed weren't weeping like in the movies = they're actors!

I have a friend like you on Facebook - they post all manner of crazy things they have learned from the same websites (Info Wars etc.). What really annoys me is that amongst all the rubbish they post, there are a couple of things that, yeah, people should be up in arms about.

But you turn people off with your unfounded and crazy theories. You help the government and powers that be get away with things that are actually happening - they love you to be wasting your energy to things like this when there is REAL corruption going on.

[TiagoTiago]

Hey crypto, what's wrong with the "He's a psycho" theory?

Obviously that's much more unbelievable than a complex conspiracy theory involving hundreds of people that would unravel with just one weak link.

The way its been told is WAY more unbelievable than cops and the media making shit up. That's probably why there are thousands if not millions of people who don't buy it.

Unravel with one weak link? I don't think so. There already are weak links like the doctored evidence picture of the gas mask (look that one up). The reason it won't unravel is that most of you will continue to believe the lie even when evidence to the contrary is right in your face.

All it would take is on whistle blower to blow the whole thing wide open. But it won't happen, because there is no conspiracy.

Your burden of proof is so low and your logic so crazy that it scares me.

There were some inconsistencies in some statements = the government did it!

People being interviewed weren't weeping like in the movies = they're actors!

I have a friend like you on Facebook - they post all manner of crazy things they have learned from the same websites (Info Wars etc.). What really annoys me is that amongst all the rubbish they post, there are a couple of things that, yeah, people should be up in arms about.

But you turn people off with your unfounded and crazy theories. You help the government and powers that be get away with things that are actually happening - they love you to be wasting your energy to things like this when there is REAL corruption going on.

It would actually make sense if it turns out that lots of the conspiracy nuts are really disinformation agents of the government (or of some other powerful entity or group) that intentionally mix valid and crackpot theories together and spread tons of completly bogus theories in order to make it harder for real whistleblowers to be taken seriously...

[Scott J]

It would actually make sense if it turns out that lots of the conspiracy nuts are really disinformation agents of the government (or of some other powerful entity or group) that intentionally mix valid and crackpot theories together and spread tons of completly bogus theories in order to make it harder for real whistleblowers to be taken seriously...

That is far more likely than the shooting being staged.

[cryptoanarchist]

It would actually make sense if it turns out that lots of the conspiracy nuts are really disinformation agents of the government (or of some other powerful entity or group) that intentionally mix valid and crackpot theories together and spread tons of completly bogus theories in order to make it harder for real whistleblowers to be taken seriously...

That is far more likely than the shooting being staged.

Only in your limited paradigm. You still believe what you see on TV, you'll never know the truth. The media isn't biased, they completely fabricate stories.

But I guess you still are suspending reality to believe that aluminum planes can slice through a cement and steel building and then collapse them. You're fuckin retarded and don't know it.

[rjk]

But I guess you still are suspending reality to believe that aluminum planes can slice through a cement and steel building and then collapse them. You're fuckin retarded and don't know it.

For fuck's sake, dude. Do a little bit of math, and find out that it certainly is possible. Consider such angles as mass and velocity to start with, and then look at pressure because of surface area calculations. Learn about things such as various laws of thermodynamics and other related subjects, and talk to any number of architects and engineers that actually do know what they are talking about.

I think you only exist to piss people off by providing a useless counter opinion, regardless of its validity or proofs against it. In other words, you are a worthless troll, and not even a particularly good one at that.

[mc_lovin]

But I guess you still are suspending reality to believe that aluminum planes can slice through a cement and steel building and then collapse them. You're fuckin retarded and don't know it.

For fuck's sake, dude. Do a little bit of math, and find out that it certainly is possible. Consider such angles as mass and velocity to start with, and then look at pressure because of surface area calculations. Learn about things such as various laws of thermodynamics and other related subjects, and talk to any number of architects and engineers that actually do know what they are talking about.

I think you only exist to piss people off by providing a useless counter opinion, regardless of its validity or proofs against it. In other words, you are a worthless troll, and not even a particularly good one at that.

Are we talking about 9/11 now?  The whole thing is a sham.  I thought it was obvious at this point.  If not, explain WTC7.  Is there a way to calculate the surface area impact velocity on a building that was never hit at all?

[BoardGameCoin]

rjk: don't feed the trolls

[cryptoanarchist]

But I guess you still are suspending reality to believe that aluminum planes can slice through a cement and steel building and then collapse them. You're fuckin retarded and don't know it.

For fuck's sake, dude. Do a little bit of math, and find out that it certainly is possible. Consider such angles as mass and velocity to start with, and then look at pressure because of surface area calculations. Learn about things such as various laws of thermodynamics and other related subjects, and talk to any number of architects and engineers that actually do know what they are talking about.

I think you only exist to piss people off by providing a useless counter opinion, regardless of its validity or proofs against it. In other words, you are a worthless troll, and not even a particularly good one at that.

Really now? How about you study Newton's 3rd law of motion and then explain how aluminum plane wings slice through steel box columns and a floor made of a foot of concrete without breaking.

rjk, you're a known troll though. I'll give you one chance to say something intelligent than I'm ignoring you.

[rjk]

But I guess you still are suspending reality to believe that aluminum planes can slice through a cement and steel building and then collapse them. You're fuckin retarded and don't know it.

For fuck's sake, dude. Do a little bit of math, and find out that it certainly is possible. Consider such angles as mass and velocity to start with, and then look at pressure because of surface area calculations. Learn about things such as various laws of thermodynamics and other related subjects, and talk to any number of architects and engineers that actually do know what they are talking about.

I think you only exist to piss people off by providing a useless counter opinion, regardless of its validity or proofs against it. In other words, you are a worthless troll, and not even a particularly good one at that.

Really now? How about you study Newton's 3rd law of motion and then explain how aluminum plane wings slice through steel box columns and a floor made of a foot of concrete without breaking.

rjk, you're a known troll though. I'll give you one chance to say something intelligent than I'm ignoring you.

Sure, I'll be glad to be ignored, so I'll go ahead and say some more stupid stuff just to piss you off. Then I'll take BoardGameCoin's advice and shut up.

Newton's third law states the following: "To every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction: or the forces of two bodies on each other are always equal and are directed in opposite directions."

How this relates to your application is thusly: The steel and concrete structure represents a force because of its mass and density, and the aluminum wing also represents a force with the same factors. As you implied, the aluminum has less mass and density, but the thing you omitted was that it has far greater momentum and velocity, which is additional force that can be added to the equation.

[cryptoanarchist]

But I guess you still are suspending reality to believe that aluminum planes can slice through a cement and steel building and then collapse them. You're fuckin retarded and don't know it.

For fuck's sake, dude. Do a little bit of math, and find out that it certainly is possible. Consider such angles as mass and velocity to start with, and then look at pressure because of surface area calculations. Learn about things such as various laws of thermodynamics and other related subjects, and talk to any number of architects and engineers that actually do know what they are talking about.

I think you only exist to piss people off by providing a useless counter opinion, regardless of its validity or proofs against it. In other words, you are a worthless troll, and not even a particularly good one at that.

Really now? How about you study Newton's 3rd law of motion and then explain how aluminum plane wings slice through steel box columns and a floor made of a foot of concrete without breaking.

rjk, you're a known troll though. I'll give you one chance to say something intelligent than I'm ignoring you.

Sure, I'll be glad to be ignored, so I'll go ahead and say some more stupid stuff just to piss you off. Then I'll take BoardGameCoin's advice and shut up.

Newton's third law states the following: "To every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction: or the forces of two bodies on each other are always equal and are directed in opposite directions."

How this relates to your application is thusly: The steel and concrete structure represents a force because of its mass and density, and the aluminum wing also represents a force with the same factors. As you implied, the aluminum has less mass and density, but the thing you omitted was that it has far greater momentum and velocity, which is additional force that can be added to the equation.

hey, at least you knew the wording, but you failed at the rest. The speed of one compared to the other is irrelevant because of Newton's law. No matter how fast the plane is moving, it is no different than if the building hit the plane going the same speed (all other things like angles being equal). If you shoot an apple at a stationary bullet, and they collide the same way, the result is the same - a hole through the apple. How fast the two objects meet matters, which one is doing the movement relative to you does not.

But just to be sure, you think that the object moving relative to you is given extra force. So that in your imaginary world between your ears that you call reality, a thrown banana can leave a banana shaped hole in a brick wall, if just thrown hard enough.

Like I said, you're retarded and don't even know it.

[Scott J]

It would actually make sense if it turns out that lots of the conspiracy nuts are really disinformation agents of the government (or of some other powerful entity or group) that intentionally mix valid and crackpot theories together and spread tons of completly bogus theories in order to make it harder for real whistleblowers to be taken seriously...

That is far more likely than the shooting being staged.

Only in your limited paradigm. You still believe what you see on TV, you'll never know the truth. The media isn't biased, they completely fabricate stories.

But I guess you still are suspending reality to believe that aluminum planes can slice through a cement and steel building and then collapse them. You're fuckin retarded and don't know it.

Your paradigm is limited to what Alex Jones and David Icke tell you. Well done on not being a sheep! Only a sheep would form their world view from more than a couple of dodgy internet sources.

One day you'll realise what a tool you've been. Either that or you'll just become more and more of a crackpot.

Sadly, I know you mean well. You're just really impressionable.

I've put you on ignore now as I can't be doing with 'debating' these topics. It just makes me sad to see such garbage on such an intelligent forum.

[Taz]

Wait, now the problem is that the wings left a mark?
I thought the awakened ones had a problem with there not being enough damage caused by the wings.

Wanna play coin flip?
Heads I win.
Tails you lose.

[mc_lovin]

No comment on WTC7?

[Taz]

No comment on WTC7?

Does it matter what is said, would anything change your opinion?

[mc_lovin]

[mc_lovin]

No comment on WTC7?

Does it matter what is said, would anything change your opinion?

Not really.

[cryptoanarchist]

Your paradigm is limited to what Alex Jones and David Icke tell you. Well done on not being a sheep! Only a sheep would form their world view from more than a couple of dodgy internet sources.

One day you'll realise what a tool you've been. Either that or you'll just become more and more of a crackpot.

Sadly, I know you mean well. You're just really impressionable.

I've put you on ignore now as I can't be doing with 'debating' these topics. It just makes me sad to see such garbage on such an intelligent forum.

Let's see, you started off with an assumption that I listen to Alex or Icke - I don't. You know what they say about people who make assumptions right? You make an ASS out of U, and 'mption' 

I don't listen to AJ because I know he runs gatekeeper duty for the media and pushes fear. He thinks a shooting really happened and uses it to heighten fear of the government's ability. I think it was staged by the media using actors and faked footage, and that Alex is intentionally hiding that.

[benjamindees]

This is offtopic, but just so that no one is duped into listening to our own disinfo agents here...

http://govtslaves.info/former-head-of-star-wars-program-says-cheney-main-911-suspect/

Dr. Robert M. Bowman, Lt. Col., USAF, ret. flew 101 combat missions in Vietnam. He is the recipient of the Eisenhower Medal, the George F. Kennan Peace Prize, the President’s Medal of Veterans for Peace, the Society of Military Engineers Gold Medal (twice), six Air Medals, and dozens of other awards and honors. His Ph.D. is in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering from Caltech. He chaired 8 major international conferences, and is one of the country’s foremost experts on National Security.

Bowman outlined how the drills on the morning of 9/11 that simulated planes crashing into buildings on the east coast were used as a cover to dupe unwitting air defense personnel into not responding quickly enough to stop the attack.

“The exercises that went on that morning simulating the exact kind of thing that was happening so confused the people in the FAA and NORAD….that they didn’t they didn’t know what was real and what was part of the exercise,” said Bowman

[Taz]

[cryptoanarchist]

<taz>

Dr. Robert M. Bowman, Lt. Col., USAF, ret. flew 101 combat missions in Vietnam. He is the recipient of the Eisenhower Medal, the George F. Kennan Peace Prize, the President’s Medal of Veterans for Peace, the Society of Military Engineers Gold Medal (twice), six Air Medals, and dozens of other awards and honors. His Ph.D. is in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering from Caltech. He chaired 8 major international conferences, and is one of the country’s foremost experts on National Security.

What a idiotic conspiratard!

</taz>

EDIT:  LOL...I predicted it!!
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[Taz]

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Ahh no, you predicted the opposite.

This is offtopic, but just so that no one is duped into listening to our own disinfo agents here...

http://govtslaves.info/former-head-of-star-wars-program-says-cheney-main-911-suspect/

Dr. Robert M. Bowman, Lt. Col., USAF, ret. flew 101 combat missions in Vietnam. He is the recipient of the Eisenhower Medal, the George F. Kennan Peace Prize, the President’s Medal of Veterans for Peace, the Society of Military Engineers Gold Medal (twice), six Air Medals, and dozens of other awards and honors. His Ph.D. is in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering from Caltech. He chaired 8 major international conferences, and is one of the country’s foremost experts on National Security.

What's fucked up is that anyone involved in that war got fucking peace prizes. Unless of course I'm a little misled by the way it is written.

Bowman outlined how the drills on the morning of 9/11 that simulated planes crashing into buildings on the east coast were used as a cover to dupe unwitting air defense personnel into not responding quickly enough to stop the attack.

“The exercises that went on that morning simulating the exact kind of thing that was happening so confused the people in the FAA and NORAD….that they didn’t they didn’t know what was real and what was part of the exercise,” said Bowman

Speaking of being misled, do these two sentences really mean the same thing. It takes a creative mind to spin something that far off it's original message.

Oh by the way, The Daily Sheep and all of our other reading material goes through a process called proof reading which has two purposes.

1 to make sure our propaganda is backed up by reliable sources. Sources - that's actors in your language.
2 to weed out any grammar and punctuation errors.

Without one, you rarely have the other. Though that time is slowly coming to an end with the rise of armchair journalism.

[benjamindees]

You know, Taz, it's becoming obvious to me that you don't seem to speak English very well.  Is that the issue you have with understanding what the rest of us are trying to communicate here?  Is that the reason you respond to every post with confusion?  Are you simply lacking the cultural background to understand that the US government has admittedly and repeatedly, throughout history, engaged in false flag terror and psy-ops against the public, as recently as one year ago, in order to shape public opinion?  Are you not very familiar with the US?

[Taz]

I tried to dig up some list of gibberish you or one of your intellectual brethren posted earlier, but I can't be arsed reading over all those zigzagging, meandering and evasive maneuvers you call arguments. The basic yet incoherent gist of said list, was a collection of tactics the big brother, bully, bad guys that make up the US government, use to prevent leaks of their diabolical plots. One of the most prominent points made was undermining and ridiculing anyone who speaks out against them. Kinda like what you are trying to do to me right now, Ben.

[benjamindees]

I'm not trying to ridicule you, Taz.  I'm not trying to prevent you from leaking any diabolical plots.  I'm trying to understand why you seem to have a ready-made, incoherent response to nearly every post in this thread; why you believe that this, for instance:

is a valid response to this:

So far, my theories are:

• You have attention-deficit disorder.
• You are not an American.
• You are being purposely obtuse (trolling).

So, which is it?

[Taz]

I'm not trying to ridicule you, Taz.  I'm not trying to prevent you from leaking any diabolical plots.  I'm trying to understand why you seem to have a ready-made, incoherent response to nearly every post in this thread; why you believe that this, for instance:

is a valid response to this:

So far, my theories are:

• You have attention-deficit disorder.
• You are not an American.
• You are being purposely obtuse (trolling).

So, which is it?

Haha, very well played.
Hmm..Which of these three theories is readily provable, thereby nullifying all I have said and am going to say?
Which one will place me in the box with the others that have no right to comment on such matters?
Which one, when proven, will validate the other two?
Which one do you think, oh wise benjamin?
Please bestow your worldly knowledge.

[Raoul Duke]

benjamindees, I'm just going to ask this one more time and I demand an answer:
WHAT IS THE BITCOIN CONNECTION WITH THE COLORADO SHOOTING?

This thread has been off-topic for 15 pages. I advise you to lock it after you answer me, because one or both of the following will happen:

1- Thread will be moved to the trashcan for being utter off-topic nonsense
2- You will be banned for being a crackpot troll

PS: Threads posted on Off-topic have a topic, and it still needs to be followed, so, don't even try to go that way.

[Taz]

Though you wouldn't guess from counting my posts on this thread,
I am very glad of this decision.

[Scott J]

benjamindees, I'm just going to ask this one more time and I demand an answer:
WHAT IS THE BITCOIN CONNECTION WITH THE COLORADO SHOOTING?

This thread has been off-topic for 15 pages. I advise you to lock it after you answer me, because one or both of the following will happen:

1- Thread will be moved to the trashcan for being utter off-topic nonsense
2- You will be banned for being a crackpot troll

PS: Threads posted on Off-topic have a topic, and it still needs to be followed, so, don't even try to go that way.

Option number 1 please.

I keep seeing this awful thread in my new replies list and I am unable to help myself.

[Vernon715]

Fake story, fake shooter, fake victims.

The Colorado shooting reads just like every other false flag the media has carried out.

Go eat a bucket of cancer you fucktard. 

This happened right near me, I have acquaintances that were there and got shot at, ive seen the evacuees of his apartment complex (which they detonated earlier today)...this affected me, my freinds, and family directly.

So, from everyone here in Colorado, fuck you, you awful piece of shit.

I applaud you and must say that I think that cryptoanarchist should evolve...

Please lock this topic!!!!

[Blind]

Surprised it hasn't been posted to this thread yet, food for thought:

Batman Massacre: WHY and HOW and WHO
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=74c_1343897860

James Holmes Is Behaving Like Sirhan Sirhan (Kennedy's assassin)
http://www.prisonplanet.com/james-holmes-is-behaving-like-sirhan-sirhan.html/

Aurora Massacre: James Holmes Mugshot Taken Same Day of his Court Appearance?
posted few pages back, in case someone missed it
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2012/07/25/aurora-massacre-james-holmes-mugshot-taken-same-day-of-his-court-appearance/

[nimda]

OK, let's assume that that is a TRU FAX picture of the LEM. What are those dents and such supposed to prove, hmm?

Dents? Dude, do those look like real thrusters to you? Don't you think the siding for such a spacecraft would at least have some straight seams? Would it have sloppy, overlapping corner pieces that look like plastic drywall corners? How about the exposed wood grain around the base of the one plastic thruster. Did they make it with plywood? You seriously think we went to the moon? Don't you think if we went there in the 60s with the technology of the time, we'd be going there now? There'd be Hiltons on the moon by now.

If they fooled America into thinking we landed on the MOON in the 60s, I think faking a shooting should be pretty easy by now.

1. Why would we go there? We've been there; we brought back shitloads of moondust. The government has better things to fund, like the war on terror
2. Don't you think if we faked going there in the 60s with the technology of the time, we'd have faked a better achievement by now? Now that we have computers with gigabytes of graphics processing power in people's homes? According to the US GOV, we've barely passed low-earth-orbit in a manned spacecraft in the past 5 decades.

Speaking of the shooting, how exactly is it an argument for gun control? You mean to tell me that the unemployed, insane medical student legally bought $20,000 of military-grade weaponry? Can I see the receipt?

[Vernon715]

OK, let's assume that that is a TRU FAX picture of the LEM. What are those dents and such supposed to prove, hmm?

Dents? Dude, do those look like real thrusters to you? Don't you think the siding for such a spacecraft would at least have some straight seams? Would it have sloppy, overlapping corner pieces that look like plastic drywall corners? How about the exposed wood grain around the base of the one plastic thruster. Did they make it with plywood? You seriously think we went to the moon? Don't you think if we went there in the 60s with the technology of the time, we'd be going there now? There'd be Hiltons on the moon by now.

If they fooled America into thinking we landed on the MOON in the 60s, I think faking a shooting should be pretty easy by now.

1. Why would we go there? We've been there; we brought back shitloads of moondust. The government has better things to fund, like the war on terror
2. Don't you think if we faked going there in the 60s with the technology of the time, we'd have faked a better achievement by now? Now that we have computers with gigabytes of graphics processing power in people's homes? According to the US GOV, we've barely passed low-earth-orbit in a manned spacecraft in the past 5 decades.

Good point.

Can someone lock this topic. It is stupid and way off topic.

[BoardGameCoin]

someone lock this topic. It is stupid and way off topic.

+1000

Or retitle it, to something like "Conspiracy theories, Aurora shooting, etc.". There is no bitcoin connection.

-bgc

[Vernon715]

someone lock this topic. It is stupid and way off topic.

+1000

Or retitle it, to something like "Conspiracy theories, Aurora shooting, etc.". There is no bitcoin connection.

-bgc

It may be in the off-topic section, but this is ridiculous.

[Snapman]

3 words sum all this crap up,

False Flag Operations.

This will only get worse, more shootings in crowded places like malls and theatres, all to be blamed on the 2nd amendment.

Have we all already forgotten about Eric Holder.....? To say corruption and alternative motives are non-existant within the United States government is so ridiculously naive that you should just hang yourself now and get it over with.

[Taz]

Why won't it go away!?!
 

[myrkul]

Why won't it go away!?!
 

Because you keep responding.

Let it die.

[AndrewBUD]

Those who reply after me enjoy giving self fellatio every 25 minutes.

[Taz]

Like that will kill this thread.
   

[foggyb]

bump

[benjamindees]

Batman comic book writer Grant Morrison, speech from 2000:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1B3M-XrbHFw

[benjamindees]

Court filing refers to "burnt currency" allegedly sent by James Holmes to psychiatrist.

http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/national/james-holmes-court-documents-in-the-aurora-colorado-theater-shooting-released-friday

http://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/18th_Judicial_District/18th_Courts/12CR1522/001/Peoples%20Pleading%20P%2010%20Brief.pdf

"The notebook and the burnt currency are not ______ [blacked out]. Until and unless reviewed by this court, nobody knows what they are, or even whether they would be, in any way related to ____ [blacked out]. Based on the circumstances, it is highly unlikely that they would _____ [blacked out] or privileged in any way,"

Coincidence?