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Author Topic: Tau-Chain and Agoras Official Thread: Generalized P2P Network  (Read 310486 times)
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January 02, 2018, 06:27:52 AM
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Thank Ohad for the updates. I'm trying to understand the information but it's really hard for me. Will do more homework to learn it.
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January 02, 2018, 04:13:05 PM
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I wonder what will be the first rule on tau.

You shall not judge? Cheesy
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January 03, 2018, 01:12:55 AM
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 Huh i really like this project, have not jumped in yet but i should lol
If successful, it will be huge
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January 04, 2018, 02:00:33 AM
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trafalgar's new article about tau chain introducing some of the features detailed in Ohad's latest blog

https://steemit.com/tauchain/@trafalgar/the-power-of-tau-scaling-the-creation-of-knowledge
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January 05, 2018, 04:21:36 AM
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Didnt agora had around 10 million coins which are going to be sold in the future? Mining these coins is not an option?
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January 05, 2018, 12:04:32 PM
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This project is really exciting... Feels like the next step of humanity really. Enabling semantic web and secure what is true and not. But it will be dwarfed  by other tech in the short term.
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January 06, 2018, 03:23:04 AM
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This project is really exciting... Feels like the next step of humanity really. Enabling semantic web and secure what is true and not. But it will be dwarfed  by other tech in the short term.

From what I've seen, no tech comes even close

If you mean in terms of hype or marketing, that's probably true in the short term. But as soon as Ohad completes the discussions platform things will definitely change.
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January 08, 2018, 12:26:55 PM
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one important thing is to list it on an other exchange(s)
I for one have no bittrex account and it is close for registration. Cry
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January 09, 2018, 07:27:34 PM
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If anyone wants to buy ARGS - I'll sell at a 10% markup + Escrow fees as I have a Bittrex account.  (I use SebastianJu & have for much larger transactions than this).

You will be limited to Bittrex withdrawal limits on unconfirmed accounts.
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January 10, 2018, 01:00:41 PM
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Karov dropped some info about Nicky case that I found interesting a while back. I also looked into Nicky's thoughts on voting.

He has this interesting game: http://ncase.me/ballot/

Looks like score based voting is the best. Obv not needed for Tau but interesting nonetheless.
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January 11, 2018, 01:15:08 AM
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We have moved the telegram chat to a new public telegram supergroup

https://t.me/tauchain

Please joins us there
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January 15, 2018, 12:23:23 PM
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Just out of curiosity (i'm in no rush) but when do the locked up tokens get released and how do we claim them?
Thanks Smiley
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January 15, 2018, 05:26:37 PM
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Karov dropped some info about Nicky case that I found interesting a while back. I also looked into Nicky's thoughts on voting.

He has this interesting game: http://ncase.me/ballot/

Looks like score based voting is the best. Obv not needed for Tau but interesting nonetheless.

It was an interesting game, thanks for sharing. Very well explained.

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January 16, 2018, 06:57:33 AM
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If anyone wants to buy ARGS - I'll sell at a 10% markup + Escrow fees as I have a Bittrex account.  (I use SebastianJu & have for much larger transactions than this).

You will be limited to Bittrex withdrawal limits on unconfirmed accounts.

I'm interested
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January 16, 2018, 04:00:56 PM
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Can AGORAS be stored securely with the omni web wallet or is the full omni core required?
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January 17, 2018, 09:43:48 PM
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Cheddur allows you to link wallets, exchanges, and other services that support AGRS so that new users can easily get started

Security reminder: never give your private keys or wallet files to an unknown or untrusted wallet app, especially not one that advertizes by spamming every altcoin forums

As far as AGRS is concerned, there is nothing that this new app can do that the official Omni Wallet can't do equally well. Play it safe.
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January 18, 2018, 03:51:50 PM
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Hmmm.... guys keep safe with your tokens. I think omni wallet is good. If not, then Ohad would definitely recommend something else.

For that apps, you better get Ohad's recommendation first.
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January 20, 2018, 01:50:30 AM
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Hello,
I like to share my views on  the project and i must say in advance that it wont be nice.Im sorry about all the grammar mistakes im going to do.
I found about tau chain in April last year and after reading everything i was able to find i invested in May.
Since than i continued to inform myself on almost daily basis what was going on ,because it was quite big % of my portfolio.
I must say that i really liked the idea and continue to like it ,but i always had the feeling that it is more of an " utopia" and as
days/months passed, that become more and more true for me .I used to have 100 k agoras and in the time of this post i own 0.
I must say that getting rid of it, took big weight of my shoulders ,but ofcourse i ended with less BTC than i invested so in a loss.
I would like to share my views on why i did that here,cause im sure that if i try to do it in the IRC i would be instantly named as a troll
as everyone who dares  not to praise the project.
The project is almost 3 years old.There was a big conflict between the original team and Ohad Assor, who is now the one and only person
behind agoras.The other members said and i quote:" we begged Ohad not to do and ICO ,cause we were never about the money in the first
place ,but  he was very determined to do it"
Than apperantly there was a big "mistake/error" in the original Tau design and Ohad decided to split and "start everything from scratch".
There are quite a few things, that alot of people have asked but never got answers for.Ofcourse they were named as trolls and Ohad stopped
posting here,where every new investor is first to come and gather info about it.
So till now there are 32 000 000 tokens sold out of 42.
Take in mind that the % that is left for the team ,if one person can be named team is really really small ,as i remember few hundred thousand tokens.
Wait a little, people will ask themselves ,why he/they would do that, every project leaves nice % of the coins so when they are sucesful they will
benefit from their work, but not Mr.Assor cause he prefers to sit on hundreds and hundreds of BTC .
What he has done with them you will ask and why did he needed them in the first place ,because it was always about the working product in his words and
he is at the stage of pre alpha nowadays.
The answer is : noone except him knows,but they are not put in research,marketing,website,new hires, thats for sure.
The website is like from stone age , nothing has been done for year, and just recently he posted one blog from which i guess 95% +
of the investors didnt get anything .But ofcourse he can not be bothered to update the content and the design of the website,which is
the face of the project, why he would do that.There is no official twitter,no official blog, no facebook, no telegram , no place where
you can inform yourself about the project from the owner/developer about what is going on with your money  except an IRC log , and we are in 2018. I must say that there is a
telegram and facebook ,but they gather the info from the IRC, Ohad never posts there.
About the IRC. There are like 5 people who are doing all the convo, literally. Ohad,liamio,Karov, occasionally dmiles and dana edwards from steemit.
If you read between the thousands of chat lines im sure that the usefull info about the project is less than 5%,everything else is just mindless spam chat.
And yet this is the official place,where new investors will come to gather info and put their money into the project.Maybe it is only me ,but i dont
think this is a good way to do marketing.But ofcourse why Ohad needs to promote Tau Chain Agoras.The project is only 3 years old and still in pre-alpha.
But he continues to say ,go ahead, go invest in some fancy scam project with flashy site and no product.I have read posts from Ohad,how every major coin out there sucks,
how they claim to be something they are not, how they are a joke, yet he has few github commits with zero reviews in years,but still he never stops laughing at other
projects, cause his one is "unique", its all about the product...
Ofcourse Ohad can not be bothered to even give weekly or monthly update on what is going on, what he is doing .
The answer is always working on the code.Ofcourse he can not hire someone to help him ,not because he hasnt sold 32 mill tokens for hundreds of BTC ,
but because there is " noone who can help him". Why? Because Ohad numerous of times has said that even he cant explain what Tau is about.
Ofcourse there is another thing: how Ohad threats his investors.
I can tell you how,he doesnt care one bit about them,they already gave him their BTC ,now they will wait for a miracle.
Numerous of people have asked on the IRC ,for him to do weekly or monthly update to share some light about the project, he doesnt care one bit.
Maybe he thinks that all of his investors are sitting on hundreds of BTC like him, i dont know.I have seen lines from him to  investors in the IRC like:
"sell than, i dont care,leave me alone, my only obligation to the investors is to release a product".But he never gives timeline,it can be done in 2020,in 2030 or 2050......
Imagine the investors that participated in the last sell of tokens in June ,their coins are locked till the release of Agoras.Can you imagine that....
At the moment, it is on stage pre-alpha, than tml,alpha, beta, tauchain and than Agoras.
Recently he stated that his investors won money ?!!
13:07 < naturalog> most of them earned
13:07 < naturalog> most of them bought way below 20 cent a token"
 Imagine that,im quite sure that maybe all of them lost in BTC  ,cause when you invest in something
with your BTC,you expect to get more BTC from it, but im sure that Ohad is on much higher logic and he must be right, you must know he is never wrong.....
There was big hype about the new code, the "long blog where he would explain everything to the investors".
So there was a code,ofcourse there are no reviews ,other than dana edwards who is one of the few people interested and still invested in the project who
tries to promote it,who tried to do some reviews, but ofcourse he couldnt quite do that,cause noone understands what is going on .Only dana edwards from all the experts,all the devs.....
The blog,was supposed to explain everything from June , was named as " should  be considered as short white paper",when many times it was said that the white paper could not be done cause it was so big and it could be long as a thesis and will take forever...yet the shortened white paper is 50 sentences...About the code he stated in December:
15:25 < naturalog> high quality innovative and useful (for various industries) code will be on github this year that's for sure
Can i ask Mr.Ohad , Can you share some of the industries that are using your code, or some of the companies that asked you to implement it?
I know the answer.It will be: leave me alone, you are just another troll.
This post has become so long ,but  there are alot of bad feelings,memories and anger from this project that this had to be said.I  have invested in alot of projects ,but i never imagined that i will end up in such where there is zero respect to the investors and their hard earned money.
From the things i read for more than 8 months, Ohad may be highly intelligent person,but on the other side i feel that he is extremely selfish and doesnt care
about anyone else than him,and the only reason that this project is not yet named as a scam is that he has put his face behind it and continues to postpone
everything to infinity.
For the new investors, if you want to give your money for something that noone knows what it is,with no team,with no roadmap,with no updates,that will be completed
when it is completed go ahead it is your money.
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January 20, 2018, 05:45:07 AM
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For the new investors, if you want to give your money for something that noone knows what it is,with no team,with no roadmap,with no updates,that will be completed
when it is completed go ahead it is your money.

I can see where you coming from and I think critics is also good, if it's constructive Smiley we all humans at the end of a day and need to be with our feet on the ground.  This is not a regular project though and requires some balls to invest, high risk = high profit potential. Do you really think it's a problem to wrap the whole thing in some very shinny package if all the intentions is to rip off the investors? about 90% of projects on coinmarketcup do just that, they say to investors the words they want to hear.

With that said I think that not to wrap it at all it's also not the best idea but Ohad said that he will start the marketing only with something in hand. I do believe him and ready to loose all my investment if something goes wrong because I really don't see any other project in space that even dare to try what Ohad is trying to do. No body even think it's possible. Well, maybe it isn't but if it is succeed... I'm not a Lambo and all that shit person but you got the point.

Those who willing to take the risks in early stages at times of uncertainty will benefit more then those who will join when the shiny website and marketing will start.  Don't you think it's fair? 

one question:  what is your motivation to write such a speech here if you already have no AGRS? 
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January 20, 2018, 12:31:30 PM
Last edit: January 20, 2018, 12:59:44 PM by Eventine
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I understand that people don't always have the patience to invest in a project like this, especially in the crytpo space where we're use to seeing a lot of hype over mediocre products, that is of course, up to the risk appetite of the individual investor.

However, I feel obligated to clarify over a few factual inconsistencies:

1. As you said, Tau's predecessor Zennet started 3 years ago which predated these other team members who 'begged Ohad not to do an ICO'. In other words the ICO started before there were other team members.

2. The number of tokens reserved for the team is 3%. Compare this to the 30-50% we are use to seeing in this space and you understand just how generous Ohad is, even if that 3% entirely goes to him. The amount of BTC he's raised from this project is a pale shadow compared to what he could have made had he just concentrated on marketing alone rather than design. But that would not be in the best interests of long term investors.

3. There are updates on average once every 2-3 days. It is highly technical because Tau itself is highly technical and at the start we're dealing with very abstract ideas at the cutting edge of maths, programming and logic. Ohad more than welcomes any serious technical criticism of his design. Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean there are no updates.

4. Ohad promised initial code release and an explanatory blog last year and we got that. The next stage will be the full Tau Meta Language, and after that, the Discussions Platform. He believes it is quite likely both these milestones will be reached this year.

5. We have an active telegram https://t.me/tauchain, reddit, twitter and facebook page as well.

6. He has acknowledged the contributions of a number of developers in this space. He just believes that the design of shoving a programming language into the blockchain and forcing every node to run the same code is too limited in practice. It's not merely a tx/sec issue. It's a fundamental design limitation that renders the technology somewhat impractical.

7. Most of the early investors likely at least broke even in BTC terms. Which means they're up about 10x-20x in USD.

Tau is a very ambitious project and is progressing along nicely, but it's not easy for people on the outside to tell. Just the alpha will allow us to consensus and accelerate the production of knowledge, which will make it an indispensable piece of technology, unlike any other crypto project. And in all honesty, I am a little bit skeptical of the motivations of a new account that FUDs a project the moment after he claims he's dumped $250k USD worth of tokens.
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