[ANN] Sfards:SF100, the first 28nm Dual-Mode Miner is accepting pre-order now

[SockPuppetAccount]

They will get enough buyers from people who are just desperate for a new toy and don't care.  They'll mine LTC with them even if they aren't flying off the shelves.  The writing was on the wall, no one was going to like the price right off the bat.

Fine by me.  I sold all my ASICs since summer is upon us in the states.  Hopefully by fall, LTC price stabilizes and Bitmain releases the S7 to give them competition.  It would be perfect timing to stock up on new space heaters before the snow starts falling.

[notlist3d]

They will get enough buyers from people who are just desperate for a new toy and don't care.  They'll mine LTC with them even if they aren't flying off the shelves.  The writing was on the wall, no one was going to like the price right off the bat.

Fine by me.  I sold all my ASICs since summer is upon us in the states.  Hopefully by fall, LTC price stabilizes and Bitmain releases the S7 to give them competition.  It would be perfect timing to stock up on new space heaters before the snow starts falling.

Wouldn't be better to buy in summer when prices are low and supply high and even if less efficient use them for heat come winter time and when summer comes build summer rigs?

For other just sha miners possibly.  But with this miner it literally has no competition at release as far as dual miners at this level.  Also they have the lowest watt scrypt by far.

So at first release it will have a premium as there is less of the chips, meaning less of the rigs out there.  Over time it will drop most likely on price.  But I suspect to see a premium for those who want to be one of first owners.

[Meech]

The gridseeds price stayed firm for many moons.  Only long after it was obsolete did the price dwindle.  The "Black" because of it's specs was in for the long haul.

[Tigggger]

They will get enough buyers from people who are just desperate for a new toy and don't care.

That would be logical if they were selling single units, some people maybe even me would buy one just for the hell of it.

However with a 100 minimum order, that's going to be $120,000 and you'd expect people spending THAT much to do some sums, in which case it's not a toy it's a garbage disposal for your money

[QuintLeo]

For other just sha miners possibly.  But with this miner it literally has no competition at release as far as dual miners at this level.  Also they have the lowest watt scrypt by far.

 It has no competition because Litecoin (much less any other scrypt coin) isn't worth spending money on a miner for at this point given the block reward halfing due any day now (which more than makes up for the current price after the pump-and-dump).

 I've never understood the so-called logic behind creating a chip that RELIES on BOTH SHA256 AND Scrypt being worth mining to make the CHIP worthwhile. Risk is more exponential on something like that, not just "double the risk".

 The pricing on the unit is totally insane. $800 would be MARGINAL at best on the HIGH side, and that's after factoring in the recent price gouging jumps out of Bitmain on the S5 (and the resulting SP20 pricing jumps). The SHA side is little if any more efficient than you can get out of a pair of SP20s and not THAT much better than the S5. The Scrypt side is little if any better than a Titan at max efficiency for the SFARDS, and not a lot better than the A2.

 I've ALSO never been impressed with the BOARD-LEVEL engineering displayed by Gridseed - the blades were just BADLY designed, what I've seen of the Black was little IF ANY better, the orbs were so-so at best. This makes me VERY uninclined to trust a miner UNIT from them - I'm FAR more inclined to trust Jabberwock (sp) as a board-level designer given the record of absolutely HORRIBLE board-level design in previous products out of Gridseed AKA SFARDS.

 Given their track record on board-level design, I don't see any significant sales happening to major farmers. Those folks would be more inclined to buy the chips and design their own RELIABLE board-level designs.

 Wouldn't be better to buy in summer when prices are low and supply high

 Usually true, but the recent small bubble has messed up that theory pretty badly. Perhaps in a month or two after the Greece "bailout" settles out, if Bitcoin pricing settles back down again.

[philipma1957]

The gridseeds price stayed firm for many moons.  Only long after it was obsolete did the price dwindle.  The "Black" because of it's specs was in for the long haul.

once the blades dropped from 3000 to 100 or so yeah the price got stable 100 for a blade was pretty stable.

Of course I purchase at 500 and down  to 125  on blades until I had 17 of them.  I got tired of tweaking them and sold them off.

[thefix]

Until I see some reviews from actual real users, the device and specs are a mythical creature to me.

[thefix]

Until I see some reviews from actual real users, the device and specs are a mythical creature to me.

Seems like this one will stay in the Grimms fairy tales for quite some time, I don't think they're doing any review units and 100MOQ won't have many people caring to do a review.

Reminds me of another fairy tale https://zeusminer.com/product/zeusminer-volcano-300mhs1000wscrypt-asic-miner/


and https://www.bitmaintech.com/productDetail.htm?pid=00020140830074550960Um75pnzg06E3

[dogie]

Until I see some reviews from actual real users, the device and specs are a mythical creature to me.

Seems like this one will stay in the Grimms fairy tales for quite some time, I don't think they're doing any review units and 100MOQ won't have many people caring to do a review.

Reminds me of another fairy tale https://zeusminer.com/product/zeusminer-volcano-300mhs1000wscrypt-asic-miner/


and https://www.bitmaintech.com/productDetail.htm?pid=00020140830074550960Um75pnzg06E3

Why do you suggest the L1 didn't exist? It did.

[alienesb]

Until I see some reviews from actual real users, the device and specs are a mythical creature to me.

Seems like this one will stay in the Grimms fairy tales for quite some time, I don't think they're doing any review units and 100MOQ won't have many people caring to do a review.

Reminds me of another fairy tale https://zeusminer.com/product/zeusminer-volcano-300mhs1000wscrypt-asic-miner/


and https://www.bitmaintech.com/productDetail.htm?pid=00020140830074550960Um75pnzg06E3

Why do you suggest the L1 didn't exist? It did.

Are they using them now?

[thefix]

Until I see some reviews from actual real users, the device and specs are a mythical creature to me.

Seems like this one will stay in the Grimms fairy tales for quite some time, I don't think they're doing any review units and 100MOQ won't have many people caring to do a review.

Reminds me of another fairy tale https://zeusminer.com/product/zeusminer-volcano-300mhs1000wscrypt-asic-miner/


and https://www.bitmaintech.com/productDetail.htm?pid=00020140830074550960Um75pnzg06E3

Why do you suggest the L1 didn't exist? It did.

I could not find anything to suggest they ever finished development on the L1, but maybe you have some info I am unaware of.

[pekatete]

I could not find anything to suggest they ever finished development on the L1, but maybe you have some info I am unaware of.

Just like you can not find anything about the S:Next-one, they are self mining with the L1 ......

[thefix]

I could not find anything to suggest they ever finished development on the L1, but maybe you have some info I am unaware of.

Just like you can not find anything about the S:Next-one, they are self mining with the L1 ......

So basically a free loan from pre-orders to get things rolling

Nice racket

[pekatete]

I could not find anything to suggest they ever finished development on the L1, but maybe you have some info I am unaware of.

Just like you can not find anything about the S:Next-one, they are self mining with the L1 ......

So basically a free loan from pre-orders to get things rolling

Nice racket

Did you say racket? You ain't seen nothing yet!
What with all the disgruntled ex-employees tossing a fair amount of the brown-stuff about, its bound to get more interesting ..... just keep your eyes peeled!

[Finksy]

Why do you suggest the L1 didn't exist? It did.

Show us a picture of them

[pekatete]

I could not find anything to suggest they ever finished development on the L1, but maybe you have some info I am unaware of.

Just like you can not find anything about the S:Next-one, they are self mining with the L1 ......

So basically a free loan from pre-orders to get things rolling

Nice racket

Did you say racket? You ain't seen nothing yet!
What with all the disgruntled ex-employees tossing a fair amount of the brown-stuff about, its bound to get more interesting ..... just keep your eyes peeled!

Don't know if I would want to keep my eyes peeled in the middle of a sh!t show but I do think the second they cut doggie from the payroll we will have a lot more information. Something tells me Doggie knows a lot about his Bitmain partners.

I did NOT insinuate anyone is an ex-employee of bitmain, neither did I mean to imply that any such said probable ex-employee is capable of slinging brown-stuff all over the place to get even with (or twist the arm of) their supposed ex-employer. Read into that what you will .... suffice to say I have gotten off topic enough.

sfards, any timescale for we the downtrodden, small time home miner and pricing?

[notlist3d]

I could not find anything to suggest they ever finished development on the L1, but maybe you have some info I am unaware of.

Just like you can not find anything about the S:Next-one, they are self mining with the L1 ......

So basically a free loan from pre-orders to get things rolling

Nice racket

Did you say racket? You ain't seen nothing yet!
What with all the disgruntled ex-employees tossing a fair amount of the brown-stuff about, its bound to get more interesting ..... just keep your eyes peeled!

Don't know if I would want to keep my eyes peeled in the middle of a sh!t show but I do think the second they cut doggie from the payroll we will have a lot more information. Something tells me Doggie knows a lot about his Bitmain partners.

Even if he does know a lot about partners he no doubt signed a NDA.  So he will not be passing on information such as partners.

I could be wrong.  But I just don't see Dogie breaking his NDA, and I'm guessing he signed one with Bitmain I do not know for a fact.

[edonkey]

Who cares what did or did not happen with the L1? This is an Sfards thread, not Bitmain.

Can't we go back to fantasizing about new hardware that will end up predictably delayed and overpriced?

[Finksy]

He works for them but isn't them, I doubt they are willing to send him a picture for the forums to complain they are self mining and make their own reputation look worse.

I'm aware, I just like to point out dogie's superiority complex.

[dogie]

I could not find anything to suggest they ever finished development on the L1, but maybe you have some info I am unaware of.

Just like you can not find anything about the S:Next-one, they are self mining with the L1 ......

So basically a free loan from pre-orders to get things rolling

Nice racket

Did you say racket? You ain't seen nothing yet!
What with all the disgruntled ex-employees tossing a fair amount of the brown-stuff about, its bound to get more interesting ..... just keep your eyes peeled!

Don't know if I would want to keep my eyes peeled in the middle of a sh!t show but I do think the second they cut doggie from the payroll we will have a lot more information. Something tells me Doggie knows a lot about his Bitmain partners.

Even if he does know a lot about partners he no doubt signed a NDA.  So he will not be passing on information such as partners.

I could be wrong.  But I just don't see Dogie breaking his NDA, and I'm guessing he signed one with Bitmain I do not know for a fact.

I do have an NDA with Bitmain, and although it allows me to make disclosures under good will its still an NDA. However there aren't any conspiracies to whistle-blow on, its pretty mundane in Bitmain land .

Why do you suggest the L1 didn't exist? It did.

Show us a picture of them

They existed in the sense that they were ready for production, but order numbers were too low for it to make sense for anyone to go ahead with it. It was cheaper to pay the customers much better than they would have with the L1 than to make them. While it might have been a different story if Litecoin didn't nosedive, the project was pulled and the design shelved.

My comments were in reference to the L1 being compared to a piece of preorder vapourware. Yes the L1 should never have been preordered (and if they did it today it wouldn't be), but no it wasn't vapourware.