ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It

[feifa]

It's close to the IPO price now

[runam0k]

To buy all the way down, or not to buy all the way down, that is the Q.

[feifa]

To buy all the way down, or not to buy all the way down, that is the Q.

buy low sell high

[Sydboy]

where can we buy asic miner shares ?
is their a thread where we can buy or it has info about which exchange to use ?

thanks!

[trilogy456]

where can we buy asic miner shares ?
is their a thread where we can buy or it has info about which exchange to use ?

thanks!

https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=AM1

https://www.havelockinvestments.com/order.php?symbol=AM1

further reading of FriedCat's posts: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=49840;sa=showPosts

[Sydboy]

thanks!

I see you advertise the link under your username as well.

where can we buy asic miner shares ?
is their a thread where we can buy or it has info about which exchange to use ?

thanks!

https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=AM1

https://www.havelockinvestments.com/order.php?symbol=AM1

further reading of FriedCat's posts: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=49840;sa=showPosts

[DjPxH]

Ha well, I guess it's quite safe to assume they did really sell gen 3 at cost. At least large parts of it. That being said it remains to be seen whether the self and franchised mining is going to yield anything. I doubt there'll be many divs coming from gen 3. Sad thing.

It's no more safe for you to assume that than is it for me to assume that you molester children based on the evidence your posts have provided. People like you spreading total nonsense is what's really sad.

Jesus, what's wrong with you? Why would you attack him like that? We didn't even receive any response to the questions for friedcat. Gen 3 just didn't work out the way it should have. Friedcat doesn't even seem to answer people who are interested in hosting franchised equipment! Sell down and feel liberated again!

[Mabsark]

Ha well, I guess it's quite safe to assume they did really sell gen 3 at cost. At least large parts of it. That being said it remains to be seen whether the self and franchised mining is going to yield anything. I doubt there'll be many divs coming from gen 3. Sad thing.

It's no more safe for you to assume that than is it for me to assume that you molester children based on the evidence your posts have provided. People like you spreading total nonsense is what's really sad.

Jesus, what's wrong with you? Why would you attack him like that? We didn't even receive any response to the questions for friedcat. Gen 3 just didn't work out the way it should have. Friedcat doesn't even seem to answer people who are interested in hosting franchised equipment! Sell down and feel liberated again!

There's nothing wrong with me which is why I called that bullshit out for what it was. What's wrong with you that you want people to post such FUD? There's no evidence at all to suggest that Friedcat has or is selling chips at cost. Just because Friedcat hasn't answered the questions which were sent to him, that doesn't mean AM is failing, just like FUR11 not responding to my comment doesn't make him a kiddie fiddler.

What you are basically saying is that due to the complete lack of evidence of some event occurring, that event must have occurred. That's simply illogical. That's called FUD. All we know at this point is that lots of chips have been sold and no dividends have been paid out yet.

[NotLambchop]

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What you are basically saying is that due to the complete lack of evidence of some event occurring, that event must have occurred. That's simply illogical. That's called FUD...

Sometimes lack of evidence to the contrary constitutes evidence.
Having never seen a pig flapping his wings, for instance, is evidence enough for me to make an assumption that pigs got none to flap.
Not FUD.

[Mabsark]

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What you are basically saying is that due to the complete lack of evidence of some event occurring, that event must have occurred. That's simply illogical. That's called FUD...

Sometimes lack of evidence to the contrary constitutes evidence.
Having never seen a pig flapping his wings, for instance, is evidence enough for me to make an assumption that pigs got none to flap.
Not FUD.

Well, given that you've never seen a pig flapping his wings because they don't have any wings to flap, do you then assume that pigs can fly? Nope.

[NotLambchop]

Lol, no.  I assume the pig is a flightless pig, destined to trot around on its trotters.
Just like I assume a publicly-traded company going mute while withholding dividends will end in tears for its investors.

And, if my opinion doesn't mean as much to you as it should, there's also this:

[DjPxH]

Lol, no.  I assume the pig is a flightless pig, destined to trot around on its trotters.
Just like I assume a publicly-traded company going mute while withholding dividends will end in tears for its investors.

And, if my opinion doesn't mean as much to you as it should, there's also this:

That chart speaks for itself. Thing also is: We've seen offers for gen 3 chips at about $ 0.35 / GH/s in early June from resellers. There have been rumors at the end of June that AM sells at about cost. Yes rumors, but they've been quite believable and no one has ever proven them to be wrong. If gen 3 was actually selling well, why would FC start to resort to such a great focus on mining again, which he didn't want to do as much anymore. Is there anything to BTCGarden's post that AM is indeed working on a 28nm design or is this just common anticipation of the next generation. Oh and last but not least: The questions haven't been answered for almost a month now, that worked better with the friendly pumpkin. Whoever chased him away, shame on you!

[hdbuck]

We've seen offers for gen 3 chips at about $ 0.35 / GH/s in early June from resellers

lol, you can do better.

gen3 may have not been as efficient as it was supposed to, but AM is doing their best not to sink in such a new and competitive environment with some very promising deals and partnerships. things take time thats all.
but i'd like some tiny winni update tho too.

edit: and that lambchopmyballs graph is utter BS it represent only a small unrepresentative part of AM shares. i dont give a damn about some noobs trading couple of shares every hour.

[DjPxH]

We've seen offers for gen 3 chips at about $ 0.35 / GH/s in early June from resellers

lol, you can do better.

gen3 may have not been as efficient as it was supposed to, but AM is doing their best not to sink in such a new and competitive environment with some very promising deals and partnerships. things take time thats all.
but i'd like some tiny winni update tho too.

edit: and that lambchopmyballs graph is utter BS it represent only a small unrepresentative part of AM shares. i dont give a damn about some noobs trading couple of shares every hour.

May 25th (delivery mid June), chips selling at 22CNY (2.2CNY / GH/s = $0.35): http://www.cybtc.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=7951&highlight=%E7%83%A4%E7%8C%AB
I though this was already accepted canon around here. We may speculate on 'selling at cost', but selling at $0.35 already in June is a fact.

[Mabsark]

That chart speaks for itself. Thing also is: We've seen offers for gen 3 chips at about $ 0.35 / GH/s in early June from resellers. There have been rumors at the end of June that AM sells at about cost. Yes rumors, but they've been quite believable and no one has ever proven them to be wrong. If gen 3 was actually selling well, why would FC start to resort to such a great focus on mining again, which he didn't want to do as much anymore. Is there anything to BTCGarden's post that AM is indeed working on a 28nm design or is this just common anticipation of the next generation. Oh and last but not least: The questions haven't been answered for almost a month now, that worked better with the friendly pumpkin. Whoever chased him away, shame on you!

The share price on Havelock is more representative of short term traders sentiment than it is of AM's value as a company.
Where did you hear that FC started to "resort to such a great focus on mining again, which he didn't want to do as much anymore." Please provide some evidence to backup these claims. I think that would make a lot of people happy as they've been asking for precisely that.
Yes AM is indeed working on a 28nm ASIC:

Brief Answers to Shareholder Questions

6) What is the progress on gen4?

It is 28nm and has two major improvements: the first one is to fix the design errors we had with 40nm (which made our silicon data two times worse than simulated data). We believe that 0.35W/G at rated speed of 400MHz would be achievable in 40nm if no mistakes were made before. The second one is the technology improvement from 40nm to 28nm in terms of density, speed and power.

We are on the stage of evaluating the final design choices by running the physical design flow on different settings.

20) What are the future plans and visions of Asicminer?

There will be at least two generations ahead. If future Bitcoin market cap allows there can be more. As we are keeping the chip design capability to grow with state-of-the-art technology as well as good channels with fabrication we can be flexible in terms of business mode be it chip-based or device-based.

[NotLambchop]

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edit: and that lambchopmyballs graph is utter BS it represent only a small unrepresentative part of AM shares. i dont give a damn about some noobs trading couple of shares every hour.

Seems like an opportunity for thinkin' feller like you!  Just buy through the order book 'till the "unrepresentative" price is representative again--stack yourself some serious cheddar!

Bitching about low prices is doing it wrong.

[cs54]

So while we're loitering in the information vacuum...do any believers out there feel like laying out their predictions for Gen 3 outcomes?

EDIT: Better yet, how about response predictions to the questions list?

There is a speculation thread for speculations.  Please try to keep this one as uncluttered as possible for news and clarification of that news.

Fair point Explorer, although tbh I was less interested in speculative opinions than in reminding people that these questions have been out for over 3 weeks now, to prompt a discussion about that without contributing to the FUD.

[hdbuck]

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edit: and that lambchopmyballs graph is utter BS it represent only a small unrepresentative part of AM shares. i dont give a damn about some noobs trading couple of shares every hour.

Seems like an opportunity for thinkin' feller like you!  Just buy through the order book 'till the "unrepresentative" price is representative again--stack yourself some serious cheddar!

Bitching about low prices is doing it wrong.

unrepresentative as of the volumes. not even 0,001% of total shares are moving daily. this is not how a representative price is set.
besides, im good, i have a stake in a real innovative asic manufacturer, with honest track records. AM is a one time opportunity & experience so let them do their job and enjoy the ride.
now  im done feeding you troll

[discobean]

ASICMiner exit strategy: Silence until the price falls to 0.08, press release for buyback at 0.1 queue cheering and then Havelock exit strategy: shutdown before payment released to shareholders.

[trek27]

ASICMiner exit strategy: Silence until the price falls to 0.08, press release for buyback at 0.1 queue cheering and then Havelock exit strategy: shutdown before payment released to shareholders.

Of course theoretically possible but very low probable because publicly held shares represent just 7.5% of all shares.