Why the darkcoin/dash/dashpay instamine matters

[TPTB_need_war]

Nobody got ripped off.

Semantic obfuscation is one of the traits of a criminal mindset. They even convince themselves they are justified. That is how a criminal mind works.

To recap, Evan admitted that in less than 24 hours, the insiders instamined 33% of the coins contrary to the statements he had made in public which established evidence of a pattern of lying and deceit. We can presume they also managed to mine a significant portion of the remainder of the coins mined, because they were obviously taking this very seriously (which is confirmed by Evan trying to now influence our opinion of the history and pretend he was not serious in the beginning). He then created a masternode scam which concentrates the tokens to those who have most tokens. He even lied in the InstantX white paper exaggerating the security from insecure to very secure with a high school level probability math error and then when I found that error a year later, he tried to again be deceitful in his response (which is in my "vaporcoin" thread in the Altcoin Discussion forum). Thus we can conclude the insiders control most of the tokens and thus control the float and anyone who knows a damn thing about market manipulation knows he who controls the float can manipulate the price, volume, and market cap. Thus the insiders created a P&D rise in the price, volume, and market cap to sucker in fools who handed their money over to the insiders. And then the price collapsed and those fools lost their money. And the P&D has been repeated 3 times because the masternode scam provides a way to recycle the coins back to insiders continuously.

I wrote the following to my angel investor today:

I was hoping to have some more feedback from you on the logo progress. I drove all the way over here this morning to read your feedback on all the messages I sent you yesterday.

On a decentralized individual basis, each person can take their risk w.r.t. to downloading Youtubes, but a company profiting off stealing from another company is definitely a way to show the world we are not for protecting intellectual property rights; as well making us very liable for a lawsuit. It is also makes us look weak as if we have no real viable business model other than theft.

I am criticizing myself also for contemplating shady ideas in the recent past. I have come to see that I was developing (sliding towards) a criminal mindset and had conflated it with being in support of freedom. The epiphany for me came when I realized that decentralized file storage would essentially destroy creative property rights and thus plunge society into a Dark Age of stealing from ourselves. There is a way to disrupt the RIAA and other monopolies without stealing from ourselves. That is what our startup will do. And besides, decentralized whatever won't stop the government from taking control by restricting the onramps and internet. Useless ideology that is Dark Age directed, is not the path forward for humanity. The better way is to provide a viable ecosystem that the masses can rally around. TPTB can't ban what is popular.

Ah the political correctness and slander liability concern. Evan fooled me at the start too because he is amiable (though I now realize it is fake and devious). I hate when someone uses me to commit a scam. He crossed me. If Evan wants to bring me to court in the USA, then I will demand all of his records so I can open the entire scam details to public knowledge, so he will never do that. I can subpoena the records of the exchanges involved, etc.. Much better if one of those scammers does sue me! Especially after I have a lot of money some months from now.

It is actually not about a "shitcoin" and its merits,

Correct this is not about the technology of Dish, rather it is about the actions of the issuers of Dish (DRK) and whether those actions are a scam that defrauded investors.

but about libelous accusations against an individual. As AlexGR eloquently explained, it is not about Dish, but about Evan Duffield the more or less public individual.

As purveyor of an unregistered investment securities offer to the public-at-large (and not restricted to accredited investors), his actions are subject to public scrutiny. The SEC has certain requirements on disclosure which he has not adhered to. He is attempting to claim that the tokens were decentrally mined and thus that he is not an issuer, and that the bug that allowed the instamine was a fluke. Yet this is entirely impossible, because no developer who launches a crypto-currency doesn't notice for nearly 24 hours that the coin is being mined at a horrendously faster rate than publicly stated would be the case. Take me to court and I can blow a hole in that statement immediately that any fair judge or jury will clearly see that Evan is lying.

The question raised is, whether Evan Duffield is a "piece of shit" or not.

Incorrect.

The purpose of this thread is to establish a pillory, which can be problematic in itself, but the OP seems to be open and fair and allow discussions, which I applaud, because otherwise it would turn into a mudslinging contest. In german we call that "Rufmord", which Google translates as "character assassination", which is a criminal offense where I come from. TBTP is intelligent and his accusations have a superficial plausability, though no falsifiability

Your incorrect comprehension of the situation has now been explained to you.

Falsifiability will come from the proper disclosures that the SEC requires for issuing investment securities.

Evan assassinated his own character with his actions which are now being brought into a spotlight.

[TPTB_need_war]

And to preemptively respond to AlexGR, his victims are every person who has ever used Dash thinking their transactions would be private or untraceable. He's a snake oil salesman.

But that is not the same as ripping off people's money. That is just a shitcoin, which is not the criteria here.

We don't know if those who claim to be Evan supporters are sockpuppets and/or those insiders who profited on the scheme.

The real victims are those who have sold for less than they paid at the expense of the insiders who sell to pocket Bitcoin and then get the DRK tokens back again for free via their control over masternodes. It is an endless supply of new fools who might actually be HODLing for the Evolutoin P&D, and their funds are being given to the insiders. They all hope there are some greater fools to sell the Evolution pump to. In short, there can't be a non-manipulated market in this current scam structure.

[toknormal]

You might find this more comforting than endlessly quoting yourself.

Just a thought 

[TPTB_need_war]

You might find this more comforting than endlessly quoting yourself.

Just a thought  

Another Dash scam accomplice playing mind games with readers.

It is war and the Dash scam will be erased from the face of the earth by the time I am done. And it won't be only words.

Just wait until I have more on my own personal money to expend on attacking the Dash system and making it very obvious that it is not secure. Operation shit coin cleanout will begin in earnest once I am a multi-millionaire again.

[toknormal]

when I'm a millionaire...

Hey - just trying to help. Wouldn't want to get in the way of your passionate crusade.

b.t.w. you sound strangely familiar  

[TPTB_need_war]

Hey - just trying to help

If that wasn't a lie, then you wouldn't be defending an instamine/perpertual masternode funnel scam. How can you look at yourself in the mirror?

Some of us are here because we are very unhappy about the direction of the burgeoning fascist totalitarianism in the world. You fucks are here only to leech on our idealism and fuck up the chances of our success by obfuscating the truth.

Become a positive force for change, then you will have my love and support. Continue scamming and you will face the wrath of the truth.

b.t.w. you sound strangely familiar  

BCX attacked coins for profit. I will attack them for honor.


P.S. I did not state that I don't want to earn a profit. But not profit from attacking coins, and not profit from leeching on others.

[toknormal]

BCX attacked coins for profit. I will attack them for honor.

Pity that the defence of "honour" requires millionaire status these days.

Sign of the times I suppose  

[TPTB_need_war]

BCX attacked coins for profit. I will attack them for honor.

What a pity that the defence of "honour" requires millionaire status these days.

Sign of the times I suppose  

It may not. But in my case at age 51 (June), no retirement, no pension, no savings and health issues, I would first need to take care of those issues before spending my idle time on purely honor tasks. Also it is possible one might need such resources to attack a coin that is PoS based on its masternodes. Maybe not. The technical details will have to be worked out at that future time, and after Evolution is released. I am confident that due to the necessity of retaining the masternode funnel, it will be impossible for Evolution to produce a secure design. If the masternodes were not stake (deposit) based, then I wouldn't be able to say that. Note it may become necessary to short the coin in order to cover the cost of attacking it. Again all these details have to be sorted at the appropriate time. It is possible that one digs in and discovers there is no actual volume that isn't the insiders and/or massive collusion amongst insider masternodes in violation of the protocol, and in that case the entire coin is fake and not worth attacking, as well as being impossible to attack perhaps in that case.

It may also be the case that it is personally more efficient to hire a hacker than to be that hacker. Delegation is what wealthy people do.

[toknormal]

But in my case at age 51 (June), no retirement, no pension, no savings and health issue

Hey snap !!

A '65 baby. I just sneaked into '64 by a couple of weeks. I think it was my mum taking me to see "Hard Day's Night" before I'd dropped that did it.

I wouldn't worry too much about pension and savings though. Everyone's in the same boat, they just don't know it yet. At least you do. I also wish you improved health.

Unofortunately I have an appointment with the mundane now in the form of a trip to Ikea to view some furniture. I'll try that mirror thing you suggested when I get back though  

(P.S. I'm trying to think of ways to make you a millionaire since your attack vector appears to involve making me a millionaire in turn in which case we could both retire and slope off ski-ing to discuss matters 51-year olds if your health improves. I'll get back to you on that one).

[TPTB_need_war]

@AlexGR, at least one person missed the launch due to Evan Duffield launching earlier than he said he would. That should be considered as someone (in)directly being "ripped off" in my opinion. See:

Ok now it insta crashes when I type "setgenerate true".

Time to go to bed and try again next week?

Yeah, let's do that. I obviously need to do some more testing. Thanks everyone!

Best thing to do I guess. Please, confirm you won't be launching after some minutes/hours even if you fix it, and the sooner would be tomorrow, thanks.

Definitely not. I'll also follow up with this post when I do set a time.

Launch is being moved to 11PM EST!

... seriously?

Just woke up to this How many hours have I lost? Oh, well.  Time to git pull and launch it again.

@Gleb Gamow, see above and:

This:

To me it is absolutely unfair to put a decent person like Evan Duffield on that list.
He adresses the accusations at 9:50 of this interview with Trace Mayer, audiatur est altera pars:

http://www.bitcoin.kn/2016/02/dash-lead-developer-evan-duffield-discusses-cryptocurrency-experimentation/

Evan Duffield states, it was merely "a hobby", which is directly contradicted by:

Hello,

We’re a startup looking for 1 or 2 really good C++ programmer that is familiar with the bitcoin internals to help with a for-profit startup.

We will be able to provide more information about the project after signing a non-compete/non-disclosure agreement. Our coin will be one of the truly unique coins that are not just a clone of the original Bitcoin code. In short the project will be a merge-mined altcoin that will provide a very useful service to the whole crypto-coin ecosystem.

If you have added any features to Bitcoin or related technologies this is a definite bonus. Please include information about the work you’re done in the space.

We have detailed plans on how to implement it and the roles we are looking to fill. If interested please email eduffield82 <at> gmail.com with a description of your work experience and we’ll vett the applications and share our plans to see if you’re interested.

Thanks,

Evan & Kyle

Hawk Financial Group, LLC

http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.bitcoin.devel/3570

And perhaps also:

I was just thinking about this for a coin I am considering making... I think it's a good idea for the following reasons.

* Primecoin started out very low performance and the community took it upon themselves to improve it.
* If the coin is a really good idea, people will adapt your c# to cython/c/c++ to gain an advantage and after the advantage is leaving they would open source it

I think this would basically add 1 extra step to the arms race that happens with new coins. I.e, Bytecode, machine code, GPU, ASICs, etc.

[TPTB_need_war]

And to preemptively respond to AlexGR, his victims are every person who has ever used Dash thinking their transactions would be private or untraceable. He's a snake oil salesman.

But that is not the same as ripping off people's money. That is just a shitcoin, which is not the criteria here.

We don't know if those who claim to be Evan supporters are sockpuppets and/or those insiders who profited on the scheme.

The real victims are those who have sold for less than they paid at the expense of the insiders who sell to pocket Bitcoin and then get the DRK tokens back again for free via their control over masternodes. It is an endless supply of new fools who might actually be HODLing for the Evolutoin P&D, and their funds are being given to the insiders. They all hope there are some greater fools to sell the Evolution pump to. In short, there can't be a non-manipulated market in this current scam structure.

If someone is negatively biased, he will find anything he wants to crucify another. For example:

Say an investor or Evan sells some of his coins: "Ohhh he dumped and got a profit, scamming others"
Say an investor or Evan keeps his coins in MNs: "Ohhh he is profiting from the MNs, perpetuating the scam"

See? You can't win in this game. You are always at the mercy of an accuser.

When are you going to stop being disingenuous? Is this the way your criminal mindset really operates?

The issue is that Evan lied to the community and set up a premine as an instamine and is still lying about it. And on top of that he set up a masternode funnel which directs the tokens continuously back to the insiders and he even lied for one year about the security of the masternodes in the InstantX white paper until I found the high school level math error. This instamine+masternode funnel ostensibly enables them to control the float and run P&D price manipulation which enables them to direct the capital inflow from speculators maximally into their own pockets in a manipulated market.

There is a reason that these activities are illegal in the USA under the 1930s Securities Act.

Same for bitcoin... You could say Satoshi ...solomined like 1mn coins, so every single bitcoiner is immoral for even accepting such a scheme where the creator is a billionaire. You can also say Satoshi is immoral himself for not destroying his coins. You can say he is a scammer because of P&Ds.... you can say all sorts of things.

Satoshi didn't run an instamine. He published it for everyone and the mining was available to people with a CPU for a year.

How disingenuous can you be to equate two situations which are not at all analogous.

Tomorrow you'll be making your own crypto or crypto-platform.

You've already stated your intention to not inform this community. I can already tell you, that, in accordance with the unwritten "terms of fairness", you can be called by someone else, as a scammer stealth miner.

Haha. Watch and learn something. I challenge you to make that claim. Because I will have some data to make you eat your claim.

You are saying you are talking with ...investors... You can be accused of setting up a scam with whales

There will be no whales in my work on crypto token unless they buy on a free market post launch. Please stay on topic about Dash.

, a scam that will profit the early investors at the expense of the later investors - who of course weren't notified of your project, so that they can not participate from the beginning... You can also be accused of being purposefully negative in all things related to other crypto with the malicious intent of profiting from promoting your own superior "solution".

You are promoting my work. I didn't mention it here. I would prefer you stay on topic about Dash.

When it comes to mining, if you choose cpu mining, you'll be called a scammer because a) "oh it's all botnets" or b) as soon as a more evolved version of the miner comes out someone will imply that you had such a more evolved cpu miner all along, helping you stealthmine your own coin. If you go GPU, which naturally takes some time to get up to speed in new algos in terms of optimization, you can again be called a scammer for the same reason. You could even be accused of colluding with FPGA programmers to solomine at extreme speeds, since you had foreknowledge of your algo specs. The list can go on and on and on. Like, how is your own compensation going to work?

Suggestion to think some more until you figure out what I am doing.

Monero has had some accusations due to inheriting an unoptimized Cryptonite hash from Bytecoin which they did not optimize until after the launch. Nevertheless the coin was not instamined and the fairness of the hash has long since been dealt with. And thus Monero has the lowest scam rating on the poll and I did and Dash the highest. And Monero being an non-manipulated market has finally broken out of the downwedge (as priced in BTC) and is now in a long-term bullish formation w.r.t. to BTC. I don't own any Monero.

If you have investor money, then obviously someone can control you based on the control of money. So you are selling out your user base to your investors. If you do an ICO, you can be called a scammer due to the way coins are created by the move of a magic wand, central-bankers style. If you do a premine, you can be called a scammer. If you take whale donations you can be accused of getting immoral benefits for behind-the-scenes deals.

Or you can sell shares in a for-profit company and make the token a separate item.

Even if you work for 0$ and make a coin and get nothing for it, and I mean absolutely nothing, one can still call you a scammer. Why? Because coins that have a development plan are going to have development announcements. Thus the dev is always ahead of the market by knowing (inside info) what is being worked upon. When he makes an announcement that "we'll be releasing this fantastic feature tomorrow" and the market goes +30% or +100%, he can go long and profit through insider trading.

Yep. And the SEC has regulations against this. Developers better be damn careful about their trades, because the government is standing aside letting everyone in our community incriminate themselves and post 2018 they will coming after everyone with the investigations.

Nobody even needs to prove you are actually trading your coin or project. By the mere fact that you have inside info that is pumping the market on its announcement, you can be accused for betting on your foreknowledge of events.

A developer can merely respond that they have a record of all their trades and when prompted by the appropriate authorities, they can make these records available in private to those regulators.

Best is make sure the coin is finished asap, and so you don't need to continue to develop it. This is why developing a coin with a separation-of-concerns and plugins is an important innovation. As I said, watch and learn.

And, people can craft arguments that can lock you in as a scammer, no matter what you do. If you do A, they'll say you are a scammer. If you do the opposite (B), they can also say you are a scammer. Thus no matter what you do, they'll cry "scam".

So let's deal with more tangible things, relative to this list, like, did Evan rip anyone off? The answer is NO.

The typical criminal mind employs this illogic of equating rape to swimming in a pool where a boy ejaculated.

Does he belong in a list with ...Karpeles? FFS, the answer is obvious.

Absolutely yes. Evan is a bit more clever than Mark Karpeles, but they both scam the Bitcoin community.

Edit: AlexGR, please don't equate a developer taking say 1% of the coins for his efforts which does not give him any control to do P&D price manipulation, to the 33% instamine of Dash (ostensibly for the insiders) and probably well in excess of 50% of the coin supply given the masternode funnel design.

[TPTB_need_war]

Mark has victims. Actual victims. With actual money that were in his custody and which he stole or "lost".

If you can't tell the difference, you are an idiot.

A cocaine dealer has real victims even though they consented to buying the dope.

Do harmful activities and you are not a positive force for society.

You really need to work on understanding some basic facts about being a positive versus negative force in society. You accusing me of being immoral is akin to the murderer accusing the prison warden of capital punishment.

Perhaps you are young and need to gain some wisdom of the years.

Here in Davao, there is no BS. Deal drugs, you die. Simple.

Edit: for comparison:

ETH is dead forever permanently.

We wish. Sadly that is unlikely to be the case because the mentality amongst speculators is to follow the pump to try to earn some profit. Damn the technological and adoption fundamentals.

P&Ds are irresistible to the gambler "crack addicts".

On the positive side, Ethereum's ICO was publicized, its development is open source as it is happening. OTOH, the potential price manipulation by insiders and the distribution of the ICO is not open source.

[Lukas_Jackson]

You should change your username for AttentionWhore next time, then it would be obvious

[TPTB_need_war]

TPTB_need_war man you are attacking like the best people in the crypto world

1. Satoshi nakamoto the guy who brought all of this to us?!
2. Evan Eduffield the man who has awesome innovations like Darksend/Instant transactions/Masternodes/x11....many more. You will even find coins that copy he's work popping like everyday
3. Vitalik Buterin the wonder kid of crypto who out schooled the entire Monero team which consist of over 30 developers that you support along with Smooth + dEBRUYNE.

I have both praised Satoshi and also pointed out the deceptions in his white paper.

Evan hasn't innovated anything. His InstantX was insecure per the math error I revealed. The anonymity was broken from the start, which is what I told him and then he invented masternodes to fix the CoinJoin jamming issue, but the masternode makes the anonymity insecure, the InstantX insecure, and funnels the coins to the insiders ongoing; as well probably violates FinCEN regulations requiring masternodes to register as MSBs. x11 is a fucking insecure nonsense that has been explained over and over.

The Vitalik nonsense has been detailed in the Ethereum Paradox thread.

Didn't you say for over two years now that you will create a coin that solve every other coins issues out there? and the only thing you came up with is a thread of what should I name my awesome coin. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1219023.0

Why do you Dash accomplices continue to promote my work when we are here to discuss Dash? Thanks but really I didn't ask you to do that.

Didn't Smooth who is suppose to be a Monero developer went to work on he's own coin called AEON yet he didn't do shit towards any of these two coins as a crypto developer?

Smooth's contribution to Monero was as a highly technical communicator and liason. He did his role very effectively. In contrast, Evan hides away from this forum because he can't handle the technical level of the discussion. And he doesn't want to be caught in lies and illogical statements.

Didn't FluffyPony the main developer of Monero the coin you guys support after copying the code from Bytecoin all he did was creating monerdice a gambling website and taking 10% of winnings there, while another Monero developer Othe taking the highest win in that site 21800 Moneros?

Evan I hear started off copying the code from another coin (Bitcoin I believe).

Bytecoin was an 80+% premine, so Monero forked it. This is the way open source works.

Fluffypony made a gambling site and made a profit. He didn't do any deception. People who want to gamble go to his site.

Do you notice all the attacks on Evan & even spamming their ANN thread are by Monero supporters including their developer "more like website designer" Smooth

I was very much against Monero when they used to spam every other coins' threads. I told them all that directly. And they hated me too. Now they seem to have stopped doing that (as I advised them to) and so now they are off my shit list and recognized for being the only really fair and serious altcoin.

Do you know iCEBREAKER is Eduardo the HASHFAST scammer who is a big time supporter of Monero yet you didn't mention he's name ever?

No I didn't know that. He and I used to fight always, but he stopped attacking me when I stopped attacking Monero. I was very much against the HASHFAST scam. I know some of those who lost money.

While you guys can't even make a GUI wallet you bash people who actually did something even when they have worked hard for it??!

Again this discussion was not about the technical merits of the coin. It was about scamming and ripping off the n00b investors.

If you want to compare Monero's technology to Dash, it will be highly embarrassing for Dash. I hear it takes 10 minutes to mix a transaction on Dash, the masternodes can steal/sell your privacy, etc..

Why is this all jealousy and hate towards successful people ?

Hate towards scammers. No hate towards successful people who are a positive force for our society and especially our Bitcoin community ideals and goals.

[TPTB_need_war]

You should change your username for AttentionWhore next time, then it would be obvious

It worked since you are paying attention.

I like to debate. I hone my knowledge and articulation. I like the challenge.

What do you like to do?

[TPTB_need_war]

If Dash wants to become legit for Evolution, then relaunch with a fair mining distribution. And remove the dividends for masternode scheme. Simple.

Both of which are absolutely necessary for any serious adoption by users due third party investment into the ecosystem (e.g. network effects).

It is quite possible to get off the scam list (although the historic scam record remains), but the Dash insiders don't want to give up their scam.

[cryptohunter]

If Dash wants to become legit for Evolution, then relaunch with a fair mining distribution. And remove the dividends for masternode scheme. Simple.

Both of which are absolutely necessary for any serious adoption by users due third party investment into the ecosystem (e.g. network effects).

It is quite possible to get off the scam list (although the historic scam record remains), but the Dash insiders don't want to give up their scam.

They will never go for it. They are too short sighted.

I see a few Dash clones popping up. People from dash can always go from owning 0.001% of Dash to owning 0.5% of a Dash clone with no scam start to hold it back as it grows.

Or any other new coin that has a fair(er) initial distribution.

[Lukas_Jackson]

...I see a few Dash clones popping up...

Go then and have a peace of mind. Remember to not overlook all of those clones.
There is many already and will be more. Pay attention, you might become Legendary Legendary 

[TPTB_need_war]

This kind of people are doing nothing in real world. They maybe wanted to but can't, hence posting 24/7 in here to beg for approval from anybody.

Jealousy won't help you. You continue to live in your closet while I go out and change the world. Then we will see your shame.

[TPTB_need_war]

There is no concrete evidence that Eduardo DeCastro = iCEBREAKER. I've asked before to people to provide evidence, but like I said, I haven't seen anything concrete yet. Until then, it is a mere allegation.

You are the only fair and balanced Monero Dev I am aware of, so what`s your take on the "concrete evidence" regarding the accusations that Evan has scammed anyone? Do you think he should be on that list?

Those who lost funds to Mt Gox did so on their own volition, including the Mt Gox Terms of Service which I assume had the necessary legal disclaimers about culpability for theft. Does that mean the investors weren't scammed?

Those who invest in a token on their own volition, inherently expect that the market for those tokens is not manipulated by the insiders controlling the float by having a scam scheme to control > 50% of the tokens in existence. Satoshi controls maybe at most 1% of the Bitcoins that will be in existence.

Criminals find clever ways to obscure their crimes such as your Dash accomplice semantic slime quoted above, but that still doesn't make them legal. IANAL but I am reasonably certain that Evan and the unnamed insiders have broken the laws that the SEC and FinCEN are tasked to enforce.

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You can't just say you want more rights, when that means injuring others, because injuring others is not a right.

It has been elaborated in other threads that premines/ICOs/instamines are the antithesis of non-maniluated, permissionless, decentralized systems.

I'm still under the weather unable to digest posts fully, but feel that the OP may need be amended to reflect both sentiments.

I just don't see how pretending to not have committed scams can be tolerated. It would be different if Evan stopped lying about intentionally doing the instamine instead of claiming it was an accident which I have explained is implausible because every lead developer will be monitoring his coin carefully on launch to see the coins are being issued at the correct rate. It doesn't take hours to make that determination. Also dEBRUYNE has provided quotes of Evan as additional evidence that he is lying.

If Evan stopped trying to obscure the fact that he intentionally set up a way to control the float and > 50% of the tokens, then we could say that investors have full disclosure and thus if they are scammed it is on their own FULLY INFORMED volition.

Until Evan makes FULL DISCLOSURE of the truth, then he is scammer. There is no other valid sentiment.

Until Evan makes FULL DISCLOSURE of the truth, then he is scammer. There is no other valid sentiment.

Even if disclosure were made now, there have been two years of deception, obfuscation, and spin (not only by Evan but by the other useful idiots like AlexGR who, assuming no more explicit involvement, got in early and allowed themselves to be recruited by their own greed as accomplices). That can't be erased from history any more than MtGox would cease to be a scam if Karpeles showed up and told us the missing coins, that he misled people about for possibly years, was all just a big accident.

Anyone who bought Dash on the basis, in whole or part, of misleading statements from Evan or the others and then lost money has been scammed.

Thus a correction is needed:

Evan Duffield, along with AlexGR and the rest of the Dash shills who continue to scam investors (DASH)