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Guys,
I'm sorry things are taking this long. We are still trying to recover the lost withdrawals database table, and it seems there's no way to get it back. So we'll try to recover the whole accounting this way :  Please send an email to info@bitscalper.com with the amount you claim you had left to widthdraw, including a list of all your deposits to bitscalper, once we have figured out how much we owe to anyone we will proceed to reimbursements.  Anyhow we're back to business with a powerful new strategy and we'll update the website in the next few days.
 

Let me just get my popcorn

And thanks to the moderators for the scammer status! much appreciated.

i vote to remove the scammer status for bitscalper...

Only if and when people have actually verified the return of all their investments in the original service. I'm out a while ago, so no problem here, but others I imagine are not so lucky.

Thanks, we'll pay the remaining balances after we have cleared out everything. Bitscalper is not a scam, our new strategy will be 100% open and transparent.

 I think scammer status is best as a precaution. We can remove once things are sorted.

Good luck to all

 Peace

Unfortunately (As I told you dozens of times already), attempting to operate any business 100% anonymously, then going AWOL with people's money, is essentially identical to scamming.

The argument isn't "Is BitScalper a scammer", and it never has been. It's "What kind of a crazy person would be dumb enough to trust someone under such high risk circumstances, and what kind of a person promotes it (bitscalper)?".

Those are the real questions, and the real reason you're an outcast.

Vote CoinExchanger/BitScalper for a shadier future of Bitcoin.

Shut up and take my money!

Seriously though, if someone likes a bit of a gamble, let's gamble how long before bitscalper develops new set of problems and owner vanishes for weeks without saying a word to anyone.

This is simple binary insanity test, whoever decides to invest in this venture, is clearly insane.

why not paying current withdrawal list ?

your SCAMMER flag is absolutly justified

Because we have lost track of all the previous withdrawals, that's why the balance on the site doesn't look right. We would like to reconstruct the withdrawal table with the help of our customers, by cross checking the claimed withdrawals with the corresponding bitcoin transactions. We should be able to reconstruct correct balances with this method.

This forum is insane in itself and today the ratio of stupid ideas is above average.

Bitscalper, I advise you first to process all withdrawals and show you are serious, and maybe, notice I said maybe, after that you can say your business will continue. Now it's not the time for it.

Hey Matthew, Cheers! All your arguments are valid! Can you tell me who is CoinExchanger and why do you associate it to my forum handle ?

Nice. You lose access to your wallet (not-backed up) then you lose all your customer's deposits/withdrawal records.

What part of "not trustworthy" do you not get?

Well, i accidentally deleted the withdrawal table, that's all.

Oh. Sounds like a professional secure service.


Let's look at all the wonderful benefits of using BitScalper:

• Your money disappears
• Your records disappear
• Your contact disappears

Sounds less like investment and more like a magic show.

\\Thread && Subscribed!

I said withdrawals will be processed, didn't you get this ? read back the thread. We will reconstruct the table and process the withdrawals.

http://bitscalper.com/p/disclosure

Tell me more about this.

What do you mean ?

Your site shows a list of withdrawal requests, and yet you claim you don't have a list of withdrawals.

Well gosh, I can't imagine why he might think you're full of shit.

Or to put it more simply, actions speak louder than words, and your actions scream scammer.

I will explain you guys. The way bitscalper keeps track of user balances is by subtracting the total withdrawals from the user sub-balance in the wallet. So the withdrawal table is gone and it's hard reconstruct how much each user withdrew already without some collaboration from their side. The current withdrawal list could contain easily withdrawal requests exceeding the real user balances and we cannot process them blindly. I hope it's clear enough.

No. That only clears up one thing that we already knew:

You're incompetent.

Just give them their sub-balance back, idiot.

If by some insane system of horrible accounting on your part you lose some money, call it a "stupid fee" for not being a professional.

I don't approve the fact that an user flagged as "Global Moderator" on this forum uses such a language. It feels decadent. Please go ahead and remove the scammer flag from my account now. Thanks.

Calm up your hot head and go talk like that to someone else. I will do the right thing without your helpless consulting. Go check your ego mania.

Nobody cares what some random scammer approves of. It'll be removed when you stop being a scamming piece of shit. Of course I'm sure it won't take long after that before you "accidentally" lose records again.   ::)

You are very rude my dear BadBear. The piece of shit is you talking like this honestly :)

Rude is taking people's money in a ponzi scheme then disappearing for a month with no updates, also something a piece of shit would do. 

I did give updates on our site and in the forum. Anyway, you will have to eat your words when every genuine withdrawal will be processed.

Let's hope so.

I have requested a reimbursement and have submitted all the deposit and withdrawal info that I had. I will update this thread if any coins are sent back to me.

Me too.

People who already made their withdrawal are not going to come here and give account.  For this to work you would need a record of every withdrawal.  I don't think you thought this through.

This isn't going to go anywhere.

Bitscalper, you're through here. I strongly suggest that you stop what you're doing, and understand that any new / 2.0 Bitscalper application is simply not going to be

1. Used or..
2. Allowed to be advertised here without significant backlash from the community, no matter what corner of the forum you are in.

Matthew seems to have cut directly to the simple straightforward solution, if there was a wallet "account" per user. Just send back to each user what is in their wallet-account. It doesn't matter how many withdrawals, or when, they did to reach the current amount they have left, what matters is getting back to them what they do have left.

-MarkM-

Nice to hear from you again Bitscalper.
From what you wrote, I understood that you have a lot of problems and need the help of the users. Shit can happen. But it's important how to handle it.
And to be fully honestly, I don't like the way how you handle trouble. There was over 1 month nearly zero-information, no emails were answered etc.
It had looked like scam, and it is still looking like scam until you proof the opposite.

It still looks like you try to play out, to win more time.
If I would be you I would do the following:
- Update my website with the same request for deposit/withdraw data like here in the forum.
- I would clearly communicate my plan how to fix the trouble, step by step and including all time-deadlines. So everyone can review if I'm following what I have sad.
- I would answer emails and give a short daily processing status.

I'm not sure how all of this ends. Most users are now sending you the requested data. Do you need feedback from ALL user to do the reconstruction? How long will you wait for user feedback? What will happen if not everyone is giving you feedback, what is most likely. What will happen if some users are not reporting correct data?  What will happen if the result of your reconstruction is still not matching with what you expect? When will you start the reconstruction and when will it end? After the reconstruction is finished, what will happen next? Do you transfer the balance to the new system or do you pay it out? And if you plan to pay it out, why didn't you also request a bitcoin address?

I'm very sorry to say this, but it looks still like scam or a VERY, VERY unprofessional way to handle the whole thing to me.  
Even if it's only the second case, I would be surprised to see it ending happy.  

Good luck!
 

I know at least one reason why the current withdrawal list could exceed the real user balances.
When you did a withdrawal request on your site and pressed the final button it normally took a few seconds until a pop-up window confirmed the withdrawal request.
In the past I could monitor that sometimes the pop-up window doesn't appear, even after over 1 minute. So you did the withdrawal request again, until you got the confirmation.
The strange thing was, that if you visited your site after a while again, all withdrawal requests (also the unconfirmed ones) were in processing state.
Depending on your balance before, your current balance could be negative!

Let's say you had 10BTC balance and try to send a withdraw request for them. It failed 2 times, but finally you got the confirmation.
Your balance is then -20 BTC, and you can see 3 withdrawal requests in the current list, each over 10 BTC.

You can see this effect by reviewing the current withdrawal request list for requests with exactly the same amount of BTC's in a raw. It happened a lot.

Why didn't you just cancel the current withdrawal request list, like you have done before, so the user balances are correct again. And fix this bug, or just process the withdrawal requests per eMail manually?
 

How will you know if someone is telling you the truth?

Bingo.

If I remember correctly when Bitscalper was first created they stated to use any email address even a fake one.  I used a fake email address and some randomly generated password because I knew this was going to implode eventually.

So if other people used a fake email address how is Bitscalper going to verify that the person is really who they claim to be?

I wonder if people realize the risk to reward ratio for Bitscalper was too high.  They got a 1% return a day for about a month.  So if someone put in 100 bitcoins that is 1 bitcoin a day.  They made 30 bitcoins but then the site went down for 30 days.  So really they made 0.5% a day.  Of course they might not get any of their money back so they lost money!  In that time they could have traded their bitcoins for USD and earned the interest on Bitcoinica.

We should of made bets on when bitscalper.com would be hacked or have their website down for an long amount of time.  That risk/reward ratio would have been much better.

Hi Guys,

Acknowledged that we did not handle the matter in the best possible way. We sustained some big losses due to our broken withdrawal system and already sent out wrongly hundreds of bitcoins. Our profits from the whole operation are almost all gone. Instead of blindly trusting emails claiming accounts we will ask users to proceed asking the withdrawal from inside their account. So if you are in possession of your initial user and password you will be able to withdraw your remaining balance. We intend to cross check the sub-wallets transactions with the amount that corresponding users are claiming to have withdrew already, if it matches the user balance will be fixed and it will be possible to withdraw the correct final amount.

"Server error! Please contact the admin."

ROFL.


Since when?

You can't even keep a database table, how do you expect to be able to reverse engineer it?

Your skills in front of a computer are laughable and your policies and professionalism are literally non-existent.

As I have said before, the service you claim to offer could be useful but you seem not to offer it. History has proven this several times over.

Potential and existing users: Please stay away from this absurd 'service', for the sake of the bitcoin community.

Ok, login is working again at the moment. Fine.
But I still see my old negative Bitcoin balance and the 'old' request withdrawal list is still present (where my requested withdrawal is listed for weeks).
So what has changed and what should I do?

Your trouble handling doesn't make sense to me.
Please take the time to think about a procedure how to handle the trouble, communicate your procedure and follow it.

Good luck

Your continued faith in the scammer is depressing. You're only leading on the scam.

What if the guy's just incompetent, and not actually a scammer? I'd say we should give him a chance to prove himself. But I agree this all looks really shady. If it's legit, it's a miracle such an incompetent person can create a system that makes this kind of money automatically.

Will you wait here a while, while I go dig up the 2 or so weeks of chatlogs from when BitScalper was first created and everyone was bitching at me for supporting him and defending him and he himself was begging me not to bail on him but everything slowly and meticulously became more and more obvious it was a scam and I had to (against my own wishes) admit to the fact that the entire thing was too fishy and ridiculous to even consider being legitimate?

If anything, I have been the biggest devil's advocate for BitScalper from day one. I am the most qualified to say he's full of shit.

Just logged in and sent a request.  Will post here if it actually gets filled.

Hmmm, seems to be working now.

I just logged into my account.

I put 1 BTC in, even knowing it was risky, for a what the hell, I'll give it a shot.

Account Balance: BTC 0

Today Earnings: BTC 0

Total Earnings: BTC 0.09754291

I'd really like to know where my 1.09754291 is.

Is the transaction confirmed yet? Else you might have got scammed (again).

facepalm

 ::)
@bitscalper:
why did you even show up here ?
. you proved several times your incompetence
. your reputation could hardly go lower
. you do not intend to pay for your own mistakes
. how do you know that : "We sustained some big losses due to our broken withdrawal system and already sent out wrongly hundreds of bitcoins"
. you've been holding bitcoins THAT ARE NOT YOURS for weeks, and there you are, spring flower, claiming you're "back to business". you're going nowhere until you refund your customers

waste of time

Hmmm logged in, changed my pass, and now I can't log in again...


blah.

Ahahahah, its continuing! *gets buckets full of popcorn*

It would be trivial to pay back the users money. Send back what's left to the initial sender's address, or use the existing backlog, or cancel the backlog and let users make new regular withdrawals. Who are you trying to fool, and why?

This is the funniest thread on bitcointalk since a good while!

Ente

Calm down Matthew. I have to admit that your language and unfounded allegations really turn me off. To me, you sound like you're either young (teenager/early 20s) and just like to spout off, or you're an infiltrator that is trying to bring down people and cause division.

I don't think bitscalper is a "scammer". If he was, he'd already be long gone and not posting on here anymore - it'd be pointless.

I DO think he is incompetent at building a secure website, but whatever, most people are. It's not appropriate to use derogatory, insulting language directed at someone for trying and failing. I probably know more about computers than you, Matthew, and my site got hacked too. I know how to build a website but providing security against pro hackers is a whole different story.

Its obvious to me that the powers that be want to control the exchanges, so certain exchanges will be provided support, and others will be attacked. I want as many exchanges as possible, and to trade at as many as possible, even if they kinda suck - power in numbers. When I see people throwing around the "scammer" label without any real evidence, well, that sounds just like the good ole boys club to me (masons).

Look here, we have all the good old ad hominems!
> Age
> "That's unbitcoin!"
> Oh look, masons!

Even if bitscalper is not a scammer, he still can't even handle the most basic shit like maintaining a DB.  He ACCIDENTALLY DELETES TABLES.  Is this a person you want to trust with your money?

Guys,

As already said the withdrawals will be processed. Give a couple days to figure out the best way to proceed. I understand your concerns. I will be showing the new arbitraging engine soon.  Probably i will setup a parallel wallet for the new operations to avoid confusions. Do not fund your account with new coins until new notice please. Thanks

I'd like to point out that i deleted the table trying to fix the mess that Theymos caused by going public with our username list. That's not a really professional way to help a bitcoin related business overcoming troubles and obviously not healthy for bitcoin as a whole.

Theymos's actions are no excuse for losing data.  You should have backups, or at least have made a dump before you even though about typing the word delete in an SQL prompt.

This gap in your thought process reveals you probably have a lot more mistakes to make before you've learned all the lessons you need to have learned to operate a website with the security and reliability bitcoin demands.

Maybe a website is not a good medium to use for something like this.

It is not only hard to secure but also horribly exposed. Random members of the public could arrive there if some search engine spider has ever happened upon it, or someone could let slip its existence to a bunch of internet crazies who like to hack sites or report unlicensed investments to authorities or gosh knows what.

Maybe it would be better to use encrypted email to communicate with your investors, possibly via a mixnet even?

Processing emails for specific commands like tell me my balance or herewith is the private key to a bitcoin address that has more money I want to invest might be a lot more secure than letting people put inputs into HTML/PHP forms that end up interacting with MySQL databases.

Plus, even Chrome browser is not secure, so requiring your investors to use a browser at all might not be such a great idea...

I am dubious even of using Tor for something like this because simply by correlating uptime to powercuts in various regions it could maybe get tracked down... Thus the idea of email or freenet Sones or something like that where the exact times you come online or go offline is not so easy to discover seems like it might be a good idea.

-MarkM-

I know that and there's no gap in my thought process. At least, i don't think you are in a position to value it. I just said that i do not like the way Theymos handled the disclosure.

There's no excuse for (intentionally!) deleting data without backups, trying to put the blame on others just makes you look worse.

Still i don't care if i look worse. I just care to say what i think.  Who said i deleted the table intentionally ?

Not really..that's why I only have one bitcoin there. My point that was that it was presumptuous to call him a scammer and the way bitscalper has been attacked makes me somewhat suspicious of the intent. It's obviously not a professional site but a scammer and their website would have disappeared by now.

You might want to look up "ad hominem", before you use an incorrect definition again.

Right.

You did not think "maybe I should back this up" BEFORE you deleted it.  <---- GAP

I am in a position to make this determination because if the gap wan't there, you'd have the data you need to give me my fucking money (not that I trusted you with much in the first place).

Shit happens...

one thing seems clear bitscalper still has the scammer red X on his name and it should remain that way, until he returns all the funds to his users.
bitscalper should immediately return the coins from the users on this forum, as a show of good fiath.
if this is done, and if more public successful withdraws are processed, i would remove the scammer X's
if bitscalper is honorable he can win back some trust, he will simply have deal with his tarnished reputation.


he has never had my trust, and probably never will.
although... i am Loving all this Drama sounding bitscalper
thebitcoinreview.com would love to make a short interview with you bitscalper  :D

I understand shit happens, but a responsible person would own up to it instead of blaming others.

I have the same problem.

...

Granted bitscalper has failed to communicate effectively and apparently made some technical errors but it does not deserve to be labeled a scam, yet, he does seem to be trying to return deposits and continue operation. Have we forgotten that this website was exploited recently, I don't see Theymos wearing a scammer tag?

This forum, its administration, moderators and its more vocal 'contributors' are far, far worse for bitcoins image than some poorly implemented services or even the occasional scam.

Bitcoin needs to distance itself from this foul little corner of the internet or banish Matthew and his cadre of trolls.

Look at your post count. Look at how long you've been on the forum. Look at how many projects you're involved in. Now tell me I care what you think.


Scammers stick around because the more they talk and the more FUD they spread, the more fanboys they might get that can help lure others off their trail. It's the same reason Tom Williams came back. If you can try to lie/explain your way out of something, it confuses the already angry people. You not admitting this makes me think you're a bitscalper sock puppet that he created just to support himself.


I'm going to leave this comment for comedic purposes.


So you think that when someone irresponsibly loses everyone's money, then loses their records, then doesn't pay them back, then disappears for a month, all while professing that he must stay 100% anonymous, that that's not scamming? And yet you believe in free masons?

Wow! Seven whole posts and you can tell who the bad guys are, huh? Spent many a long winter's eve lurking and learning?

bitscalper is a scammer. As the forum member who first called for the tag, I don't retract a single moment of that call. Until and unless every single Satoshi is returned, and there is complete transparency, this is a classic ponzi scheme.

No bot trading assistant could generate the kind of returns that this liar claims to have generated.

Nobody with an IQ in double digits who claims to be an online business-person would ever delete their main customer transaction database, and then they absolutely would not come back and claim they had to do it because their feelings got hurt by the Admin of the community they were so busy ripping off, opened up the story behind who they were stealing from.

Any legitimate business that fubared this badly would be working aggressively with Admins and community leaders to salvage what data could be restored and looking for a way to fix the problem... not preparing for the next better way of throwing money away.
 
Scammer through and through.

The Bitcoin community needs to excommunicate cancers like cryptoanarchist from our midst... people who are idiotic conspiracy theorists, allow ideology to dictate their reality, and make childish arguments against obvious facts.

I hope newbies don't see these people as representatives of Bitcoin.

I fully agree, comrade.

Also, obvious sockpuppet is obvious.

Bitscalper, I will back you up if you return my coins:

1A7TF8jWEHieqotqivNhWqnbkFNxnQs5UJ

Right on. Let's get back to the topic of you:

1) Losing access to your own website for which you had no backups
2) Having never proven you're doing anything other than a ponzi scheme
3) Are most likely just CoinExchanger's alter ego
4) Deleted your own deposits/withdrawals records
5) Are now lazily asking the community to provide you information you should already have in order to claim money
6) Disappeared for a month without any contact
7) Still not having resolved anything.
8 ) Have a scammer tag
9) Operate a ponzi scheme and claim it's an arbitrage bot (which wouldn't make any sense because you'd be giving them your profit for nothing)
10) Continue to insist that your anonymity is essential

Hi scammer. How's tricks?

LMAO

how much will it cost him to have you as back up?

Your low personality appears everytime you open your mouth. You are full of shit, get down your high heels prick.

You're contradicting yourself. How can I be low and high at the same time?

Also, how dare you insult my high heels. They are custom smithed.

This sounds like the argument of a teenager. You don't get the meaning ? that's a double shame for you. You sound like a teenager, everytime you speak. Please leave us alone and go back playing with videogames.

The more he returns the more support he will get.

Probably. Since when matthew got involved with me at a personal level, he started asking for proof of my identity with the apparent reason of joining a "trusted members community", well i did not trust him with certain aspects of my freedom. I do not know who is him and what's his final intentions are.

Matthew, really. leave us alone.

Shut up scammer. Give people their money back and stop being a scummy fuck.


Full disclaimer: I'm a freemason.

You are borderline and ridiculous. Please go away as soon as possible. Your presence here makes no sense.

The feeling is mutual. When are you going to leave?

Of course, if you don't mind pausing the little bitch fight for a moment- educate yourselves...

The Ponzi Scheme:

A Ponzi scheme is a fraudulent investment operation that pays returns to its investors from their own money or the money paid by subsequent investors, rather than from profit earned by the individual or organization running the operation. The Ponzi scheme usually entices new investors by offering higher returns than other investments, in the form of short-term returns that are either abnormally high or unusually consistent. Perpetuation of the high returns requires an ever-increasing flow of money from new investors to keep the scheme going.

The system is destined to collapse because the earnings, if any, are less than the payments to investors. Usually, the scheme is interrupted by legal authorities before it collapses because a Ponzi scheme is suspected or because the promoter is selling unregistered securities. As more investors become involved, the likelihood of the scheme coming to the attention of authorities increases.

The scheme is named after Charles Ponzi, who became notorious for using the technique in 1920. Ponzi did not invent the scheme (for example, Charles Dickens's 1857 novel Little Dorrit described such a scheme), but his operation took in so much money that it was the first to become known throughout the United States. Ponzi's original scheme was based on the arbitrage of international reply coupons for postage stamps; however, he soon diverted investors' money to make payments to earlier investors and himself.

Typically extraordinary returns are promised on the investment, and vague verbal constructions such as "hedge futures trading," "high-yield investment programs", "offshore investment" might be used. The promoter sells shares to investors by taking advantage of a lack of investor knowledge or competence, or using claims of a proprietary investment strategy which must be kept secret to ensure a competitive edge.

Initially the promoter will pay out high returns to attract more investors, and to lure current investors into putting in additional money. Other investors begin to participate, leading to a cascade effect. The "return" to the initial investors is paid out of the investments of new entrants, and not out of profits.

Often the high returns lead investors to leave their money in the scheme, leading the promoter not to have to pay out very much to investors; they simply have to send statements to investors showing them how much they earned. This maintains the deception that the scheme is a fund with high returns.

Promoters also try to minimize withdrawals by offering new plans to investors, often where money is frozen for a longer period of time, in exchange for higher returns. The promoter sees new cash flows as investors are told they could not transfer money from the first plan to the second. If a few investors do wish to withdraw their money in accordance with the terms allowed, the requests are usually promptly processed, which gives the illusion to all other investors that the fund is solvent.

At some point one of the following happens:

    The promoter vanishes, taking all the remaining investment money (minus payouts to investors already made).
    Since the scheme requires a continual stream of investments to fund higher returns, once investment slows down, the scheme collapses as the promoter starts having problems paying the promised returns (the   higher the returns, the greater the risk of the Ponzi scheme collapsing). Such liquidity crises often trigger panics, as more people start asking for their money, similar to a bank run.
    External market forces, such as a sharp decline in the economy (for example, the Madoff investment scandal during the market downturn of 2008), cause many investors to withdraw part or all of their funds.

So, if you look at the history of the bitscalper investment vehicle carefully, you will see exactly why I correctly identified it as a classic ponzi scheme from the get-go.

You were doing so well right up to the last sentence. What is your proof that bitscalper is "a fraudulent investment operation that pays returns to its investors from their own money or the money paid by subsequent investors"

If you have no proof of that, than you are simply making an allegation without evidence, and your righteous indignation is unwarranted.

And yet, here you are responding to me.  ::)

@BitScalper: They just released an in-depth investigation into BitScalper and how it is a scam. This video is a compilation of all of the points of your arguments.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hR5e4fs96q4

Delighted to see that you outed yourself as nothing more than a pissy little troll there crypto... if you don't want to hear my thoughts feel free to skip right over them. Bitscalper is a fraud, and the track of the funds is only to clear to see where his payments are coming from. Oh wait- did you just let him diddle you in the backdoor and not think to check a block explorer and see how his transactions were being handled? For fuck's sake there, every transaction in this bitcoin world is transparent, especially when it is made by asswipes who brag about where they ripped the money off from. Did you not think that maybe, just maybe, there were folks that were keeping an eye on certain blocks to see where and how? Go back to sleep now, we've got this one covered.

And skiing Colorado does suck. Almost as bad as the Cascades. Heli-skiing the Canadian Rockies is way better.

No way! That was an ad hominem? Spectacular! You are a truly legendary wordsmith crafting such an eloquent parry. And to actually know when to use the phrase "ad hominem" is just so outré, nunc pro tunc you have established your credentials vis a vis the intellectual capacity you wanted to portray.

But, fellatio, splooge and meth? That was the best you could come up with? I mean, I expect a Columbine PTSD patient to be able to come up with better than that. That's just crass, and as such, I would think beneath you, but go ahead and knock yourself out there little boy.

I guess we really shouldn't be surprised that the loudest bitch screaming to defend a rip-off is his little cunt. The evidence has already been presented to the folks that matter, and what the fuck do you know, the little scammer got the tag he so richly deserves. You want to stand up for that? Go ahead, make an ass out of yourself. The proper word for that is sycophant. Taking a lost position and whining about it does nothing for your credibility, but knock yourself out with that one. Maybe bitscalper will toss you a couple of shekels to be his bitch for the next scam too, every good anal rape needs an asshole.

+1.  I'd kiss you if I weren't so fiercely heterosexual.

Also, I'm fairly sure cryptoanarchist is the Manipulator.

THINK ABOUT IT!

DO YOUR RESEARCH!

 ::)

Question 1: No.
Question 2: No.
Statement 1: You do realize the irony of calling people out on the internet and that being tantamount to making a complete fool of yourself, right? Why would I want to trouble myself to travel several hundred miles to pimp-slap your ignorant ass? Seriously, what's the upside to that? I fucking hate Colorado. I have a former major client that is headquartered there who are complete cunts; John Elway, who is an unmitigated piece of shit lives there, and owns a chain of auto dealerships there, and I can't stand his stupid vainglorious ego maniacal ass; and now Clown Cowboy Crypto, the Lone Tool is looking for satisfaction on the dusty streets of Unemployed Ski-bum Town. Yeah, that's a tourism bureau wet dream right there! If you really need to act all macho-fuckwit, you come here. I'm near Chicago. Call when you get close, and I'll let you know where to get off the expressway, and I don't need the security of a bar to back me up, I'll happily school your childish ass anywhere, anytime.

Lesson one- don't let your keyboard write checks that your ass can't afford to cash. Big man on the internet tossing out threats often wakes up to find karma has fucked his life up bad.

I think scalper already dumped. He shoulda at least sent a bitcent to see what happens.

Matthew, I think you should release those chat logs you had with Bitscalper.

What's the point? The only thing in them is more evidence of his unprofessional and dangerous operations, his constant bluffing about his abilities, constant name dropping, and general scammy attitude.

People here are only concerned about the facts-- where is there money. The logs don't help them find that out.

I just suggest as people are attacking you for your helping to show Bitscalper is incompetent.  You do  have extra information that other members of the forum do not have.  I don't see how people still don't get Bitscalper's incompetence so maybe the logs will help.

Also see my topic in meta (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=68343.0)

Haha it gets better and better! Nice way to start a new week at work! I seriously had a hard time not laughing loud, reading that last few pages.
For a short moment I thought about making some notes about some, uh, more special users/socks here. To not accidently waste more than a few seconds on them in the future. But then I cant imagine to not get a grin on my face whenever reading "cryptoanarchist" somewhere..
By now I would actually pay to see you. I wouldnt even need to touch you, just watching you, laughing you in your face from time to time, maybe reciting some selected "statements" of you. In a bar or horse stable, whatever you prefer.

Matthew: Impressive stamina!

Ente

It's kind of funny that this thread is in the speculation forum.

Let me try to wrap up the current situation.

- Bitscalper came back with forum postings on 2012-03-11, after ~1 month of communication silence and not processed withdrawal requests.
- Bitscalper got the SCAMMER brand/status.
- Bitscalper wrote about different technical problems he had and also said sorry that everything takes so long and that his new strategy will be 100% open and transparent.
- Bitscalper promised to pay-out all of the Bitcoins from the users.
- Bitscalper ask all users to send him emails stating the deposits and withdrawals they have done, so he can reconstruct who is getting how much.
- No one has got any kind of confirmation to the email he has requested.
- After some posts, he changed his advice and stopped asking for emails. Instead of that users should login to bitscalper again and do withdrawal requests. The site was accepting logins again, but showed exactly the same balances and old withdrawals request then before. It looks like nothing has changed. Some new withdrawal requests were added to the existing list.
- After some posts, he changed this advice again and asked for a couple of days more to figure out the best way to proceed.
- Questions from users asking how they should go on, remained unanswered. Users can only wait what Bitscalper will announce after he has figured out the best way to proceed.
- Some unbeautiful posting-war was going on (from both sides) and it was interesting to see that Bitscalper didn't had the time to confirm or even answer user emails, nor the time to fix his problems so he can process the long requested user withdrawals ASAP, but he had enough time to play with posting-war.
- Bitscalper also announce a new, improved platform he is working on. Also an interesting prioritization of his tasks. With all this current, unsolved trouble and trust-loss from users he is taking his time to build up a new platform instead of hardly working 100% of his time to get trust back by doing the reconstruction and processing the long-delayed payout-requests.  
- During this one day, after 1 month of total silence, Bitscalper was very active in the forum. He did some promising announcements, but up to now there is no output or result which let Bitscalper not look like a scammer.

Question: Does all of this look like someone try to fix his technical problems to be able to pay out his users Bitcoins asap and changed his strategy to be 100% open and transparent?

Answer the question for yourself...

Let's see what he meant by 'couple of days'...

@bitsclaper

i decide to support you and your business.

so you can keep my bitcoins in your application for further investments.
take your time, repair your system, take the necessary steps for security and protection and restart!

i think you try hard to recover the system and that should honored.
the bitcoin is an experiment and every business to test the idea is welcome for me.

if someone has an constructive offer how to secure the website of bitscalper he can help, of course if you want to take his help bitscalper.
but you should be serious and do not play with us.

good luck!


P.S.
you got a PM

I'm slappin' mah knee!   :D

No- I'm about 20 years older, and a lot more distinguished-looking, while he is a much more creative performance artist.

I would suggest that you re-read our dialogue more carefully. I haven't call you names at all- that was indeed Matthew. I have cast numerous aspersions on your character, I have reflected on your willingness to be a bottom for bitscalpers' rhetorical anal rape, and I bestowed a label on your behavior here- Clown Cowboy Crypto, the Lone Tool.

If I used "newfag" THAT would be name-calling.

Shut up, oldfag.

Not picking sides here, but bitscalper just return what you owe to them and let this drama stop if you've no intention of being a scammer.

From your site:
2/29/2012 - Update: We will be coming back to business within a one week with important updates and changes. Stay tuned.

It's been over 2 weeks now without any sign of bitcoins being returned. We're not going to put our foot to our mouth when no sign of money is being returned.


I do support your point what more exchanges need to pop up wholeheartedly. However, there is the undeniable fact that the scammer tag is appropriate here as there is still no sign of money being returned as promised. Hence, he would be considered a scammer due to him breaking his promise to send money back to their respective owners when due.

Incompetence isn't the reason for not returning people's money. Consider slush, bitcoinica and the rest involved in the Linode fiasco. Did they refuse to return money to people after the fuck-up of Linode (and not actually their problem)? See btcbuckets. He had a major screw-up of his systems and accidentally double-sent the money to someone. He even borrowed bitcoins to cover his loss due to negligence. They're the perfect examples of what we actually need to have a working economy in place.

He claims to have lost his DB table, and doesn't know what to return to whom. Should he just take people's word?

Also, if he has coins from Matthew Wright or his troll buddies, he should keep them. Fuck those guys.

Matthew, again you are having a deleterious effect on this discussion, i kindly ask you again to leave us alone, fix your personality issues before trying to help others. This is a a preview of a part of the new system in action. This is the btc-e/mtgox module running live  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TemHJfF-ufE&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TemHJfF-ufE&feature=youtu.be)

So what do you guys think ?

Personally I think that you have a weird list of priority. I'm glad that you have the time to develop/test the engine and make a video of it.
However I would be happier if you process the Withdrawals List

Bitscalper, nice to see you working on new things and have the time to make videos. I really think you set your priorities totally wrong!

I just took a very quick look into your video, but didn't care about the details. Why? This is easy, I'm not interested in ANYTHING from someone who still keep thousands of Bitcoins from users and don't care about the over-delayed payout-requests - at least it looks like this at the moment.

I can only hardly advice you to first bring back the trust in your person and service and then present the new things.
If I would be you, I would take all of my time to get rid of the SCAMMER brand on my user account.

I have to agree with you about the way people 'discuss' here. I really don't like that this threat got so much off-topic.

I have to take my hat off for him..He isn't being deterred  by anything . He is completely ignoring almost everything anybody says ( bedsides Matthew maybe...) and continuing his own agenda at his own time.

I imagine he believes that when everything is back in working order , and i suspect it will, people will eventually start depositing their coins there once again (They will). People have short memories when it comes to making a quick profit.

Please; for the love of god and all that is holy, quit using the terms newfag and oldfag and start acting your age.

A word of wisdom if I may...

  While you're free to spout whatever you wish, I sincerely hope that all this rhetoric you continually spew doesn't catastrophically bite you in the ass when you're older and are trying to maintain professional relationships.  The fact that you're saying what you are under your own name is more than enough for future clients/partners/professional associates to avoid you like the plague.  It's not uncommon for people to lose credibility and employment for their personal activities outside of a professional workplace when those actions are deemed to indirectly tarnish an employer or business partner's image.

PS:  The Freemason society does in fact exist.

If Bitscalper is not just scam, and he plans to continue the normal arb-trading again (with an improved system, especially regarding security), I strongly believe he FIRST has to payout nearly all open payout-request (only a few user have not or will not asked for a payout) to his users, so everyone is convinced that he not just run away with their Bitcoins. If this happens and bitscalper has learned his lesson, more and more users will give it a second try and also new users will join.  Without proceeding the payout request I give him nearly ZERO change that people will invest again.

Quite frankly, I am stunned that bitscalper is still allowed to post here until he does pay back everything he owes. It's not a case of strange priorities, it is flat out dishonest to be stating that one "needs to wait a couple of days to see what is the best way to do anything" while one owes thousands of bitcoins to people, and has had nothing but a challenge communicating with anyone.

Making a cute video, or spouting new marketing stories does not solve a problem, and bitscalper has an enormous credibility problem here. Let alone the fundamental flaw in the entire premise. He cannot physically make the kind of gains that he promises playing the arbitrage game. So, the gains and payouts come from where? Others coming in to buy into the pipe dream.

Anyone who puts one Satoshi into this is begging to be ripped-off, and will only be adding to bitscalpers criminal gains. Be sure to create lots of threads proclaiming your shock when the next chapter is written- many of us will enjoy laughing at your bull-headed insistence on being a victim.

Apparently this is how Bitscalper plans on (maybe) paying people back - by selling an Arbitrage bot..

Reddit arbitrage bot advertisement in /r/Bitcoin (http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/qqqlu/advanced_arbitraging_bot_for_sale_highly/)

Hi there, we do not hold "thousands of bitcoins", barely couple hundreds, i don't feel all this drama is necessary. We will process the withdrawals once our calculations look right. If people don't want to invest in bitscalper it's understandable. I don't see any other way to remove the "scammer brand" as you call it.

What's your calculations look like?  Maybe someone can help you with the maths.
Because like, 2 + 6 * 4 - 12 / 4 != 5, but it == 23.  Some people have problems with the PEMDAS yo.
Some people just have problems.

Ok, joking apart. I also already ask myself why bitscalper not take the help of some clever users in this forum. Why not giving a much more detailed look inside his current problem and discuss the best way to get out of it. Obviously he couldn't solve it during over 1 month, and still do calculations without a result up to now.

Wouldn't this be also something which matches the new open and transparent strategy quite well?

Ooooh ! right!
So we have your WORD on that ??
Guess what, your word is worth nothing

Glad to see you must be finished with paying back the money you owe to your ex-users. I cant possibly explain how you could have found the time to make a vid, music and animations included.

..Who closed the original thread, anyway? BS or mods?

Ente

I think it does seem like very poor service but he says he is trying to return the funds unless he just buying more time to suck in more BTC as it looks like the site is still accepting deposits or is the service currently operational for new deposits if so for how long  ???

this has been the worst year for snowboarding here in co!  should have never got that pass :(

Looks like I have access to my coins again,

Wrong, liar!

According to the requests listed ON YOUR OWN WEBSITE you currently have 3,994.11439973 in bitcoin withdrawals pending delivery from the dates Feb. 18 through March 12. That is certainly quite an order of magnitude larger than "barely couple hundreds" that is in fact, thousands, as stated. Furthermore, we should only assume that this is not the entire body of work represented by your scheme, these are just the withdrawals that have ALREADY BEEN PROCESSED THROUGH YOUR SYSTEM AND ARE JUST WAITING FOR YOU TO RELEASE PAYMENT. I wonder how many more requests have not made it into public view, or are hidden away in your "waiting to see what is best to resolve" line of lies.

Folks- this extremely dishonest person is making cute little movies, and trying to sell an incomprehensible arbitrage system while he sits on almost $20,000 worth of withdrawals that he has claimed he is going to honor, based on nothing more than lies. You have been scammed, and you really need to open your eyes and start doing something about it.

I'm going to wait and see if he starts to return coins... then i will put ALL MYBITCOIN in bitscalper because i want some free money too!  :o


let it go man, let it go

Wrong. The fund has touched those numbers during the first weeks, but then matthew scared anyone and withdrawals flowed plentiful.

Also, what you don't get about the arbitraging system and why do you think i'm trying to sell it ?

Remembering it was possible to issue multiple withdrawal requests totaling more than your actual balance and given the 'accounting problems', this number does not actually mean anything despite its font size and boldness. You are continuing to make accusations without presenting any evidence, show us the relevant transactions in a block explorer that you claim are so obviously scammy.

To date the only facts we can infer are that bitscalper made some technical mistakes (who hasn't?) and has a different idea of effective communication than most of us. This whole thing looked extremely risky from the outset and everyone that invested should have anticipated a possible loss.

I fail to see how anyone can believe that a few people being burned by an 'extremely risky looking investment' (IF that is in fact the end outcome), is somehow worse for bitcoin than the way the community apparently endorses the abhorrent behavior of supposedly trusted members.

Unless you or Matthew are going to post real evidence to back up your fervent beliefs all you are doing here is trolling, which while slightly amusing is not good for the cause you claim to be so passionate about.

PS. I am quite proud of my post count thank you.
/me waits for the eloquent but ultimately vacuous retort.

No way dude maybe 1BTC and its not really free money if you have to lay it out but saying that it does seem too good to be true?  Unless he is creaming a large portion off the generated profits?  Also one bot or one bot system will get too big for the market sooner or later!

The bot operates on several exchanges, including the most important and some small ones also. the kind of arbitraging we operate only brings stability to the market. I'll be posting a guide on the website about how to reclaim coins deposited for those who want to back out.

Like you ? you seem mentally disturbed.

Sign of a true professional. Ignoring that he's unprofessional, shady, anonymous and risky and then blaming his failures on someone else.


Case in point: Holding people's money hostage and making them jump through hoops to get it.

Wow. You, again. What did you add this time ? enlight us please.

Holy shit...wait....what? So now people are being opted in to the second fund? Did everyone happen to catch LouPGaroux's post detailing 'the ponzi scheme'?

Pay out people's coins, scammy mcgee.

Evidence:

Selling the arbitrage technique: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/qqqlu/advanced_arbitraging_bot_for_sale_highly/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/qqqlu/advanced_arbitraging_bot_for_sale_highly/)

Incomprehensibility thereof: Advanced arbitraging bot for sale. Highly Profitable Okay the bot is based on a main node.js backend and some userscripts communicating via async calls and json with the said node.js backend. It can trade on btc-e, cryptoxchange, mtgox and intersango.
   
you might want to put a few more details in there

This was posted by the bot!

cool joke bro

cheers bro... how bout posting up some of them details then, hey

Provided some details, are you looking for specific informations ?

Mainly profitability statements and all that jazz. ROI. Price. PM me perhaps?

Yep, i'll pm you the info requested in the next few hours. Thanks!

Details will be provided via private messages! Thanks!

details through PM? gotta provide some something first , don't want to sign up for more info and get spammed

Provided some details about the bot in the description up there. For informations such as those requested by ****** i prefer to use PM. Are you also looking for this kind of info?


The issue of thousands versus hundreds... all I did was total the outstanding requests for withdrawals that have been made ON HIS WEBSITE for the date range stated. Is anybody seriously suggesting that withdrawal requests equaling TEN TIMES THE NUMBER OF COINS INVESTED were requested because Matthew posted some questioning remarks? Really? How is it that bitscalper knows which and how much of those requests are fake, but he somehow doesn't know which are legitimate?

And now the story of the hour has changed again... instead of waiting to review and see the best way to "handle these things" (try honoring the withdrawals!) he is now going to "post a guide on the website" but only after putting all the funds he seems to now be aware of in another of his schemes.

Gosh kiddies, let's use our skepticism hats, and look at this analytically, instead of with wishful eyes that you didn't all just get taken by yet another junior scam boy.

Oh, and Lomax? Keep on waiting old son. Your vacuous retort is on back order until you grow up and add some cred to your mouthiness.

Yes .Maybe not 10x but when this whole thing blew up I saw on the withdraw requests multiple requests of the exact same amount one after the other and there very many of those. Possibly some people were even paid out more than once already and leaving them without funds to pay the legit requests. I'm not trying to defend their incompetent behavior.  But it is possible the the withdraw requests are MUCH bigger than what they actually have.

Personally, with the ridiculously unprofessional and dangerous irresponsible management from bitscalper from day one, I'd say he lost all his money because people scammed the scammer, and now he isn't able to pay people back, so he's:

• naively expecting everyone to hop on to his new site and deposit money so he can make some money to give back to the people he owes
• naively expecting everyone to hop on to his new site and deposit money so he can throw everyone off of the horrible business model he failed with before

We know one thing that he doesn't though-- we're not going to be party to unnecessarily risky investments that demand to remain anonymous and perpetuate the fraud in this community any longer.

If he, CoinExchanger or anyone else expects to do business with this community, they need to make their customers happy and follow our demands.

Free market, bitches.

Bitscalper, what I really miss from nearly all your statements about what you will do next is an information about the time frame.
Until when will the guide on your website be available?
Do we have to wait another week/month until you change your mind again and start thinking about another way to pay pack the requested withdrawals? Do you see the problem?
It's now more than overdue to write this guide asap and proof that you really will pay the users Bitcoins back. Everything else is, at this point in time,  just bullshit.

It looks like the requested withdrawal list has been canceled the third time and a new one starts to growth.
Login is not possible again (  Server error! Please contact the admin. )
You could help people and especially your users stop speculating about what is going on by giving status updates about what you are doing at the moment and what will come next.

i invested about 1.27BTC in bitscalper's idea.

what was your investement ?
let us make a estimation of the payback...

8BTC here, made 3BTC, pulled out as soon as I made the decision to stop supporting anonymous shady businesses that can't explain why they don't even backup their own 'financial service' websites.

I imagine the 3BTC I made was sucked out of someone's deposits somewhere. Feels bad, man. Feels bad.

https://i.imgur.com/XaqFf.jpg

Well, your statement about only holding "barely couple hundreds" Bitcoins from users is a a quite elastic term.

I saw how many bitcoins were requested (a few thousands), but I can't be sure that all of this were legit requests because of your buggy system. Only you should know how many Bitcoins you hold from users.

But what I know for sure is, that you already are holding ~450 Bitcoins only from 3 friends of me and myself. And this are only 4 of your users. I can only hardly imaging that the total sum of user bitcoins is only a barely couple of hundreds - if we define "barely couple of hundreds" from lets say 200 to 700 or so. I think we are talking about a 4 digit number.

However, focus on your calculation, on writing your guide and proof that you are not a scammer.
Everything else is waisted time and you will still be a scammer in the eyes of everyone FULL STOP

@bitscalper... instead of picking fights with trolls and making yourself look more and more unprofessional with each post you need to dedicate your time to sorting this fiasco out.

1st step is to process ALL the withdrawals. Im willing to bet BTC that the majority of those withdrawals (other than the obvious immediate duplicates) will be genuine.
2nd, full disclosure of what happened, what was deleted and detail what you WILL do to rectify. Theres still a small window of opportunity to get good press out of all this if you sort it all out within the next couple of days.
3rd. don't specify time-scales on the front page of your website if you never had any intention of meeting them.
4th. dont respond to this post, or any more. publish all info on your website and update the 1st post on here for us all to see once its been done.

^^That
                 or
http://i39.tinypic.com/sndogz.png

He can't because he has no money; or

He is making money off of other people's money.

Why is the website letting people sign up but not sign in?

Seriously, bitscalper needs to brush up his stuff.

Matthew, only morons haven't understood by now that you're only butthurt because bitscalper told you and your DCAO buddies a big "GTFO" when you wanted to know more than he wanted to reveal.
You guys are just a bunch of jealous freaks who couldn't stand someone else having the script to make money and you wanted a piece of the pie also, I will go even further and say that a piece of the pie wasn't enough and you wanted to keep it ALL to yourself instead of letting other people deposit funds and be rewarded for it.

Notice: I'm not defending him(bitscalper), and I said a few(7?) pages back that he must return everyones money.
But you are not helping...

Not butthurt. Same story with CoinExchanger- threatened. Not butthurt. Threatened.

I broke up with him, he didn't break up with me.  :'(

Umm, I honestly don't remember if I mentioned this publicly or not, but BitScalper was trying to make me a partner and wanted to start an exchange with me. Why would I turn that down for any reason other than feeling like I was being conned by a sociopath?

Do you know he keeps dropping this guy's name who sold the .cc TLD (who he says is a millionaire philanthropist) and saying they are personal buddies and that all his funding comes from him? He kept saying "You can meet him tomorrow!" everyday for 2 weeks, along with "I will show you the code tomorrow!" everyday for 2 weeks. The only thing he ever showed me was a desktop capture of a live Mtgox ticker feed and a cell phone number (Google) that he never answered.

He also changed his promises every single time we talked, pushing back dates, giving excuses (good ones too!) which made me truly think he was not just a scammer, but a sociopath who actually believes he is as important as he was constantly bragging about. He talked about Zhou Tong like he was a "moron" and "didn't know his shit", and yet he would lose access to KalyHost for an entire week and have no backup, crying to me that he had 30,000BTC in a wallet on that VPS in Germany and no backups to his site OR the wallet.  ::)

He's got all the signs of a scammer and I've got all the signs of someone who is far too trusting, so I eventually caved into the already active voices who have experience building trade bots asking me flat out "Why would someone who makes profits based off of exclusivity like arbitrage trading give away access to it? It's just giving away profit. It's an obvious ponzi". This, and that regardless of his constant claims of "mad skillz" he was making amateur mistakes like not backing up his wallet, constantly pushing back appointments that were vital to build trust in him despite his complete anonymity, etc.

The only reason I posted here to not trust him was because things weren't adding up about him. And I mean, SERIOUSLY not adding up about him. I also made it clear that I did not think he was a scammer at first, that I just wanted the community to know that my personal dealings with him give me no reason to work with him under a completely anonymous setting that he demands to maintain, and every security professional I work with has backed me up stating simply "It's a no brainer. 100% anonymous means 100% risk. Only an idiot would deposit with him".

After a while though, even though I wanted to to stay cordial with him, he has disappeared several times, failed every benchmark, lost wallets, lost deposits, and still hasn't returned people's bitcoins.


Even bitscalper knows this is bullshit. Our DCAO already has arbitrage bot trade developers and businessmen already using them, which is why we knew so much about what he was doing from day 1 (and why we picked up on his bluffs and inaccuracies from the first week). Even bitscalper will admit that I personally was just there to help him make as much money and get as big of a reward as possible for himself-- back when I thought he was a starving developer and not a scammer, that is.

We originally had approached him to see if he wanted to either work with us on a new project or to sell his bot, but after finding out that he didn't know anything about what he was doing and was smelling like a sociopath, we decided it was a waste of time, and everyone who was curious just became judgmental. I was the only one in the DCAO not calling him a scammer at this point, and they will all back me up on this, so much to the point they were losing faith in me because they said it was "blatant" and "obvious", and I kept wanting to believe and give him more than enough chances.

And that I did. Too many chances. He has never kept a single one of his promises, I have told him flat out what my needs are for trusting him, and he has always come close to fulfilling requirements to work with me (which he opted to do because he wanted to work with me personally and I wanted to work with him) but then would constantly become either emotional and claim it was not worth the risk on his point and "How dare" I ask him for anything related to his personal ID, or he would create constant streams of excuses. We're talking about blatantly ridiculous excuses here, like: "I promise I will give you code proving this is not a ponzi scheme on Wednesday" and then contacting me on Friday and telling me he's not comfortable giving anything to me, etc, and then discussing things as if they were on track (sociopath). It got to the point that I basically said "call me when you're ready to talk", but he would PM me whenever he had a problem with his site instead. We had an uneven and unhealthy relationship at that point and it was becoming obvious that he was a sociopath and most likely a scammer.

Also, what you said about me not wanting others to be rewarded, I'm sorry, is one of the most ignorant non-points in all of your statements. The only reason we met up in the first place is because I thought it was awesome to include the community (I was involved in Bitcoinica too!) in investments etc, and even talked to him about joining together to make a bigger investment based site (which is what he is trying to build right now on his own). You've read me wrong, because I troll a lot, and you've taken my trolling as being unnecessarily aggressive because I am "angry", instead of just being addicted to dopamine, having ADHD, and being easily amused at scammers wriggling.


I see this as being the result of one too many annoying trolling posts and I apologize. I have always respect your opinion and voice on things, and if you think I've crossed a line, I'll check myself. Really though... at this point, it would take a miracle to convince me he's not just Tom William 2.0, and it has absolutely nothing to do with the DCAO-- it's basic arbitrage common sense for profit sharing. Why would he do it? There is no logical reason.

as long as bitscalper comes here promoting his "new arbitrage bot" without returning peoples money everyone has the right to warn potential victims. So calling him a scammer is the least that can be done.

He already has the Scammer tag under his username. People are warned even without 7 pages of trolling.
If he didn't had the Scammer tag I would be all for it. ;)

And Matthew, your explanation was more reasonable than I thought it would be. You know there are no hard feelings :)

Of course.

EDIT: I edited my previous post and added some more information because I think it's relevant.

EDIT2: I edited it again to provide more information. Again. Again again.

Another interesting story:

One thing BitScalper did claim was that he is Italian, as did CoinExchanger.

He also claimed to have a wife, as did CoinExchanger.

He also used a fake name (twice, changing it in mid persona to tell us his "real" identity) just like CoinExchanger.

His identity also has a background on internet forums as a currency trader, just like CoinExchanger.

He also used a similar Google-style burner in the same area as CoinExchanger.

He is also obsessed with his anonymity like CoinExchanger.

He also uses Tor to connect to the forums, just like CoinExchanger.

He also only shows up publicly once in a long blue moon, just like CoinExchanger.

He also claims he is in Italy, but has his Skype country set to the USA and has suspicious routing to NYC, just like CoinExchanger.

He also has the same way of treating people (shady and sociopathically) as CoinExchanger.

He also talks in PM just like CoinExchanger, elipses and idioms and all.

He also switches from poor language to fluency randomly, just like CoinExchanger.

Interestingly enough, whenever I have called CoinExchanger "BitScalper", he has never once corrected me or seemed surprised, nor defended himself.

Also interestingly enough, when CoinExchanger first contacted me on Skype because I was trolling him, he talked to me like we had already known each other very well and said that he liked me a lot but wanted me to stop bothering his source of income.

I know correlation does not imply causation, but still-- as a hacker myself, something smells funny about both of those identities and I'm going to get to the bottom of it.

I already shorty mentioned it a few post before, at a moment in time were login was not possible.
Therefore I would like to repeat it again.

The requested withdrawal list has been canceled the third time in a row. And the Bitcoins are back on your bitscalper accounts.
Login is possible at the moment of writing this and the new withdrawal list is adding up slowly. Up to now I can't see the double withdrawals effect anymore.
The total amount of new requested withdrawals has reached ~935 BTC already, still counting.

There is still no guide on his website nor any other update from Bitscalper.
Let's see what Bitscalper is doing next...
 
Will he really surprise all of us, by processing the withdrawals step by step? I have my doubts...

Logins down again  >:(

Hey Matthew, thanks for the all the personal stuffs you splat here without any problem. Stuffs that are not even related to bitscalper in any hell of a way. This is a clear sign of your age, undesputable. Not even mentioning that you call me a socio path. I would really love to know you personally one day and show you that i am a completely normal person. The point you made about my delays and so called "excuses" are ok, well i did not really want you and your DCAO to see/steal my code. I still think that you are a danger for this community. I will tell you once more, i don't know who CoinExchanger is! can you point out a thread where i can read some of his posts ?

Should be ok now, i'm testing the new system and have to eventually reboot a couple times.

Fine, what about processing the requested withdrawal list instead of making videos and coding/testing a new system?
Or at least publishing on your website the announced guide?

When your new strategy is openness and transparency why not giving your users more short information about what is going on instead of playing personal flame-war?

Please focus on troubleshooting.
  

Ok, this is too much, i just noticed that someone stolen the few hundred coins i had transferred this morning to start the withdrawals. Probably someone who had gained earlier access and kept it silently, hoping for the better. I'm starting to check logs and whatever i need to find out where the coins are gone.. suggestions ? i am left with no words, sorry guys..

I stopped the bitcoind instance. how do i get the list of transactions from .dat files ?is there a tool to extract it from one of these files ? please help

If you didn't keep an eye on your private key and someone else was able to steel it, what is a VERY embarrassing beginner mistake, than this 'barely few hundred' bitcoins are lost. I would not count to see them back. I would say at this point in time it's probably  too late for asking for help...

So assuming the most likely thing, that you will not get the stolen bitcoins back, because of your failure to protect your private keys, what does this mean for the user withdrawal requests?  
Are you still on track with paying out the withdrawal request, which by the way have surprisingly grown from 'barely a few hundreds' to about ~1000 Bitcoins during only  less than 20 hours (including ongoing technical website problems) ?

Did you realize that you keep confirming by the way you act what Matthew wrote about you?

Good luck!

Yes i realize that this looks like a series of excuses, well,  might have been plain embarassing mistake but it happened.
I'm up for selling the whole arbitraging tool to anyone interested to repay the withdrawals. I would also accept that someone escrow the funds and release them upon successive requests. The code does really trade on arbitraging opportunities at several exchanges, and uses a browser userscript to add robot trading to btc-e.com. I could add userscripts for other exchanges without APIs upon request. Do you have an idea how i can see a transactions list without using the bitcoind API ?

You don't even know how much is that

I hope to sell it for a price that will cover the overall losses.

Bitscalper let me try to wrap up what I understood from your last statements. Please correct me, if I mixed something up.

Because of your latest failure, unfortunately you can't hold out the prospect to withdrawal the requested user bitcoins anymore, somewhere in the future.
If someone will give you, as an anonymous person, (again) much money (for the great software you wrote), you can keep holding out the prospect to withdrawal the requested user bitcoins, somewhere in the future.

Did I get you right?

This is probably the ip  the thief used :   82.76.122.92 - - [13/Mar/2012:22:22:51 +0100]

Proxy trace to
82.76.122.92
31 hops / 24.7 seconds
 
1. telecomitalia.it
2. Unknown
3. interbusiness.it
4. Unknown
5. Unknown
6. 172.15.5.234
7. seabone.net
8. cogentco.com
9. cogentco.com
10. cogentco.com
11. cogentco.com
12. cogentco.com
13. cogentco.com
14. cogentco.com
15. cogentco.com
16. cogentco.com
17. dreamhost.com
18. newdream.net
19. dreamhost.com
20. newdream.net
21. dreamhost.com
22. above.net
23. above.net
24. above.net
25. above.net
26. above.net
27. above.net
28. above.net
29. above.net
30. rdsnet.ro
31. Unknown

You paint it in a very foggy way. The deal is, i sell the arbitraging platform and some respected member of the forum holds the sum for escrow. We reconstruct the withdrawal table and everyone get money back.

DId you delete all the logs as well as the list of withdrawal requests?

Your bitcoind log should show all transactions the bitcoin daemon did, and your deposits log should show all the deposits people made.

For that matter your withdrawals log should show what withdrawls your site thinks the bitcoin daemon already processed, or what withdrawls were actually submitted to the daemon for processing.

So it should be pretty easy to sort it out with awk or some other command/language that can add up values found in logs and stuff like that.

In fact you should have had cron automatically comparing the totals found in the database against the amounts shown in the plaintext logs just to make sure the database was keeping everything straight properly.

-MarkM-

Can you point out exactly which files i should check ? thanks a lot for your help.

Only you know where you had your scripts/programs/website record all the important things such as what deposits had been sent to the database, what withdrawals had been sent to the bitcoind and stuff like that.

The bitcoind's log is usually debug.log in the daemon's data-directory.

-MarkM-

So you don't have the table but you decided to transfer bitcoins on the server with lots of bugs and keep them there till you reconstruct the table. I'm questioning your ability to make simple decisions.

BTW what's the price for the bot? or how much do you need to return? (I'm not asking the exact sum, just a hint 1000BTC, 5000BTC?)

I don't have an exact idea at the moment, i think it's fair to think about 2500-3000 btc perhaps, i think withdrawals will not account for more than 1500 btc but i might be wrong. there were too many bugs in the withdrawal code. I had transfered the coins because i decided to start processing the withdrawals step by step as btc engineer had wisely suggested.
The bugs related to the withdrawal code were not directly connected with the script i used to actually send the coins. Also the breach probably happened about one month ago and the hacker probably covered his tracks in the logs.  

haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
did you accidentally delete the withdrawal table again, or was that intentional

I maybe should try to job your memory though that maybe it might not even be only files that have the data you need, you might also have all you need in your database since all you deleted was one table. Often people who think in terms of PHP and MySQL do not use a plaintext log file at all, presumably because they back up their database so often that they figure there is a enough certainty that they have most of what they need in their daily backups that having to remember a bunch of log files to back up daily too is not worth the trouble.

So just think back to when you made the site. When someone makes a deposit you write down who deposited how much on what date using what method type of info in a list of such info, right? Either in a log file or in a database table that amounts to being a log since each row is one such occurence. If your database does not support "transactions" you probably also wrote down the fact that you have not yet actually changed the accounting to include this new deposit. Then you run around updating balances so they reflect the deposit. Then you log the fact that you have completed updating of balances to account for that deposit, so you know the machine didn't die halfway through the process.

So, look wherever you made your list of all deposits before updating balances, plus, if separate rather than just being a "done" marker in the first list, wherever you wrote down that the balances had been updated to reflect the new deposit.

Same for the withdrawals: look at the list of send commands sent to the bitcoin daemon and the list of transaction numbers the daemon returned when it made the sends. Plus too there is the daemon's own debug.log log to compare against if you think your records of what you told it and what it responded are somehow incorrect.

-MarkM-

P.S. Did Tom WIlliams ever actually get around to releasing his source code (as he claimed he would) that he claimed included a bug that was his excuse for ripping everyone off?

Wait...so a 'few hundred' just turned into 2500-3000? For god's sake, man, keep your story straight if you want to operate as a professional liar.

You are so full of shit.

I never was a customer of yours and never will be even if u paid everything back. I been reading this thread basically from the start.

O.k lets take recent stuff that i gathered.
1 - you basically went missing for a month - o.k fine something happened and you could not be online.
2 - You owe people alot of bitcoins according to some stats about 3,000 bitcoins or about $15,000 USD.
3 - you said you have a withdrawal page and asking users to withdraw, now i might of missed a post or something but i dont see anyone who successfully got paid out fully.
4 - Now you have the bull shit to say someone stole the hundreds of bitcoins you had - let me guess your wallet was hosted in linode too?? Even if 100's of bitcoins were stolen which i highly DOUBT - you must be the stupidest person ever.
-5 - Now you want to sell some bullshit software which im sure a 15 year old can make, for less then $700 - for basically $15,000 to pay for the funds you stole.

Now i really know your plan. Basically you scammed members for 3,000 bitcoins - which i know you dont want to pay back, because you have time to make videos and shit for your scamming site. I bet users are wondering why? well its simple - users who dont visit bitcointalk, will fall into your trap, and you steal even more bitcoins.

The thing that kills me is that you say someone stole hundred of bitcoins - which i bet you only transfered it to another wallet. Your plan is to keep your old customers waiting and waiting while other bitcoin users fall for your trap. I mean why the hell would you make videos and start fixing up the site? and not pay anyone yet? you just want more bitcoins for whatever reason.

Another thing is - you want $15,000 for software in which i bet has backdoors, so the person who buys it not only looses $15,000 but also you can steal there wallet.

I think you are the biggest scammer on bitcointalk.com ever - well i could be wrong but you are on the top 5.

Seriously look at bitcoinica they lost like 20x the amount you supposly got stolen from. and they are paying from there own pocket.

I do 100% believe your whole plan for your site was to scam. and i know if you ever start another site you will do the same shit.

If you wanted to pay back the funds you scammed, you would find away to do it, let me make a example.
I owe people about 60 bitcoins, But i dont have a job. But i still find ways to make bitcoins legitimately LIKE by using my own money which i really cant spare any of it, but i rather not eat for a week then not giving my lenders anything back. Not just that you say your a software designer? well fuck, make some open source software and get donations to pay your customers back? I say opensource because i sure as hell would not trust you with closed source software even if it were free. I am a php scripter and i am getting little jobs here and there to pay back what i owe my lenders.

I know 60 bitcoins compared to 3,000 bitcoins is a huge difference but there is a way to pay it back, you just dont want to at all. You rather scam and scam so you can get whatever you want for free.

Your a piece of shit.

He's quoting 2500-3000 as a possible price for selling the arbitrage bot.

Piece of shit is someone talking like you. I would like to see how you would have acted if you were me, brave man. I don't think that you can get the software i'm selling for 700 usd. You can try. I did not spend my customer bitcoins, someone TODAY transferred the coins, probably between 16.00 and 18.00 italian time. i wasn't even in front of the computer during those hours. Shit happens sometimes. And yes, i deleted the table accidentally.

As i said on my last post, so you want 2500-3000 bitcoins for a piece of shit software that i bet took you 1 day at most to make? Why i call it a piece of shit? well hmm you seem to not know how to program or script for that matter, if you cant get a bitcoin withdrawal setup right, how do we know your software wont have any bugs, let alone a backdoor.

AND wtf the breach happened a month ago? i thought you said the 300 bitcoins just got stolen. you are soooo full of shit. Lets say the hacker got into your server a month ago - and you had no bitcoins so just saved the info or made a backdoor.  WHY THE HELL before sending the bitcoins to the wallet didnt you check the server logs to make sure everything is right? like to make sure no one was in your server... even if the hacker deleted that, there are other ways to make sure your server was not breach before sending the bitcoins. You are ether really stupid, are a bad liar. i am thinking both.

LOL

I did not expect the withdrawals to grow so much.

Well, I'm first in the withdrawals list this time. With 5 BTC.  I'll let you guys know if I ever get paid.

Oh god, yes genious, the breach probably happened one month ago, and of course i checked the log and the other stuffs. the backdoor was probably well hidden. Your language is an indicator of your culture and education. STOP doing the prima donna. Go ahead and code your arbitraging script now.

Hmm how to explain to a dumbass and a scammer... kinda hard since i did say on the above post how i am currently fixing my debt. maybe you could do something like that? Sure you wont make 3k bitcoins that you stole.. but i am sure you could come up with some amount of bitcoins and pay your old customers in percentage.. but you have no intention to. And yes im pretty sure i can get the piece of crap software you made for $700 or even free since i am a programmer and scripter.

One thing i can agree with you is, shit happens which yea it is true, but its how you react to the aftermath. Which you are doing nothing.... o.k fine you want to sell your piece of shit software, i DOUBT you will get even 100 bitcoins for it, well because i have a friend who sold some nice sites that took months and months of scripting and only got $15k for the site...  What i am saying is someone can make something WAY better then a piece of shit bot for $15k... who the hell wants some bot for $15k??

OO so you deleted the table by accident again? wow you have some bad luck or rather a really bad liar and coverup.

You are not helping anyone, just your personal ego.

Your so full of shit like always.
Well i can say over my 4+ years of scripting and programming i never deleted a table of accident nor would i EVER sell some bot for $15,000 - even if someone offered 15k for it. I am not saying im perfect, but i am not a lieing asshole scammer.
Hmm so my culture and education guessing from your post must mean its bad or low right? Well that must make you EVEN LOWER since you cant script a decent bitcoin withdrawal system, and you over price your piece of shit software. and you keep deleting tables on accident. And im the one with low education?

You are more than ridicolous. Go check your mental health.

you are correct in a way.
I am not helping you - because you WANT to continue to scam, if you actually tried to help your older customers i would never posted here.

I am helping others by telling them to:
1 - Not trust you, because you will continue to scam.
2 - $15k for this software is a WAAAY overpriced scam.
3 - you are a piece of shit liar and scammer.

Well, you are simply an ego maniac who thinks to know everything, and i wouldn't even share 5 minutes of time with you, yet i'm spending way too much time to reply your silly argumentations. I hope to workout this issue with a trusted member that wants to evaluate my code and pay back everyone in the shortest time possible.

Well I thought there might be a minute possibility that you weren't a scammer; up to this point. It just doesn't make any sense whatsoever to use a setup that's known to have been compromised for this kind of purpose. It was unbelievable that you were keeping the coins on the same VPS of your site in the first place, but that could be explained by inexperience at least.

Second, when you really intend to remedy a monetary dispute, you do it eagerly and attentively. If you really wanted to pay back, you would get the table, send the coins manually (from a local vault) after cross-checking and careful inspection, then bring down the entire site and rebuild it from scratch.

I never said that i know everything. I even gave you tips on how you can start paying back your old customers even though i know i shouldnt because your just a scammer and always will be. Well hmm a trusted member that wants to buy your software for $15k, well i feel sorry for them. WAY WAY overpriced. If you do not believe me that is your choice, i REALLY want to go on a freelance job site and post how much it would cost to make your bot. but i know as soon as i post you will make 10 accounts posting you want 15k for it lol...

Well in ALL HONESTY I do hope you can fix. But it is doubtful...
Here is another tip if this so called trusted member backs out (which if there is a trusted member anyway) you can:
1- Sale the source to different people i honestly dont think someone would waste $15k on this..
2 - Put it as open souce then ask a mod or staff on the forum  to make a bitcoin address where all donations will be paid out to your old customers.

But i doubt you are trying to help your old customers o well....

BTW since you are a programmer, why dont you offer your services and not just depend on one program that will be your life savor?
There are many people here (on bitcointalk) looking for programmers and scripters...

Interesting... this liar claimed that it was only "a few hundreds of bitcoins" when I gave him direct data from his own website. He has now fucked his data up, yet again, and he now agrees that the amount is much, much closer to what I stated. He claims that an Italian IP (which is where he claims to be, although he uses Tor to hide behind!) stole his funds, when in fact all that happened is a few withdrawals got processed because he may have put a few coins back in.

The only thing broken here is bitscalper's credibility, reputation, and hopefully his ability to steal additional funds from anyone.

And the audacity of asking a "trusted member" to pay off his obligation, and give him obscene profit on his worthless bullshit arb-bot which he can't even flog to his coding buddies? What a complete clown.

Agreed.
He is full of shit. and cant stop scamming...

Funniest scammer thread in a while.

He first got hacked then he deleted the database then he got hacked again and deleted the database AGAIN.

He still is trying to squeeze some money out of the last suckers.

Just downright low life, bitscalper. Shame on you and your blatant lies. What is next ? Your CPU blows up ? You get to hospital by sticking finger in GPU fan ? Mother unplugs your computer ? :D

Give over the money to its rightful owners !

Someone should seriously consider legal action against these mybitcoin-like scammers that claim "we got haxored" and run away with the BTC.

Anybody got any details about their location, identity, information ? It seems they are from Italy but what do I know.  

BTW thread should be named "Bitscalper scammer back to business ( scamming )"


LOL. Can't ... stop ... ... scamming.

Fun facts:

1. It wouldn't take half decent coder longer than 2-3 days to write such bot. 1 day for coffee addict.
2. The bot/system is already useless as bitscalper tried to sell it on reddit few days ago for 250BTC, you don't increase your profits by creating competition.

A quote from exotic movie I've seen a while ago: "When caught, deny everything. When caught red-handed, deny that it is your hand."

Yes, i never thought scamming was a mental illness but after reading bitscalper posts i think it is a serious illness
There is one cure for scammingitus.
- Ban the people who have scammingitus, before it spreads like the black plaque.

Being serious now, why isnt bitshitscammer banned already?
Seriously if what Blind  saying is true, which i would believe Blind WAY WAY WAY more then shitscalper. Then he tried to sell the piece of shit bot for 250 bitcoins and no one wanted it, how the hell is there a trusted member who will pay 12x the asking price of 250 bitscammer was asking? well this makes no fucking sense. More lies and scamming from bitscalper eh?

Ban this guy already...

bitscalper.

Please stop talking to these fucking idiot douchebags and process the goddamn withdrawals.

.. he lost most of the coins, look above

I am filled with joy when I read your posts.  Please do continue.

hoo,
Please stop thinking the fucking idiot douchebag bitscalper is going to process the goddamn withdrawals.
 
//seriously he is not going to pay back take time to read his scamming posts and add 1 + 1 together.  

i no rite?

I seriously think he's a sociopath who believes everything he says.

Yup.. But i just dont get why he is still not banned :-(...
You know what would cheer me up matt, if you started a song about bitscalper
Come on man, you dont sing about bitcoins  its getting me upset and sad....

So people who try to protect folk like you, the more naive variety, from losing more money are fucking idiot douchebags? Ha ha, hoo, hoo!


http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/qqqlu/advanced_arbitraging_bot_for_sale_highly/

You'd get price and info if you pm'd him, this is 100% accurate.

Think of a situation where you would be willing to sell your "highly profitable" money making machine for 250BTC, can you?

It's a classic catch 22. The libertarians frown at you for trying to "protect" them from danger and call you evil government if you try, and then when they get raped and you just stand there watching they call you inhumane.

 ::)

The situation would be when selling this bullshit to others is the only way to make money.

This is so true. I appreciate very much that government is protecting me from dangers of THC, and allowing me to stuff myself with aspartame, growth hormone, tobacco, and myriad of approved drugs. I'm also happy that they put every last stonehead behind the bars, because we all know what these people are capable of, this alone makes me proud of paying taxes for the good cause. I'm most happy that rich people with connections can get away with shit, because I may get rich some day and this will come handy. Greatest thing, the corporations can push the government to make new laws in their favour, I don't know why, but there must be very smart reason and I already feel safer. I can even be safe from myself, if one day, while bed ridden I'd stupidly decide that I don't want this life anymore! Only thing I don't really like is I can't make same stupid jokes I used to, in case someone takes me serious and SWAT teams comes through my door without knocking, but I don't have a dog to be shot at, so no biggie.

I can't imagine any english speaking person that uses bitcoin that is not on these forums.  The entertainment is totally worth it.

Next bitscalper is going to start selling web and server design.

I think the more low-hanging fruit would have been:

• Customer service
• Wallet backup service

Ok, when you finished your theater show, i'm ready to have someone verify the code i'm selling.

That's what you said to me 2 months ago.

don't give them any of the fucking code,

run the code and get the bitcoins back.

it's that simple...
use your system to get money

then you can give us our money back, and you won't have to keep talking to these silly faggots.

Set its trading accounts up to allow watching-only mode API, so people can watch it actually make money...

-MarkM-

He doesn't have any code to give away.

He already admits to having misplaced them all. Can you not read? There are no coins anymore. You were scammed, and this is classic MyBitcoin 2.0 bullshit.

Sure is.


I'll have you know I've only on two separate occasions wondered what it would be like to have homosexual sex, but both times have come to the conclusion I'd vomit from the close contact with someone of the same sex.

Take it back or I'll file a police report in Spain.

One option is continue running bitscalper giving out our profits to honor the withdrawals, and have some trusted member verify what we are doing. I would like to get this scammer tag removed as it's not my intention to scam anyone.

Speaking purely on the basis of damage control, no one cares how you do it, they just want their money back. Every breathe you waste keeps stalling that fact. As for getting a 'trusted member' verify what you're doing, you already let that ship sail a long time ago when you told those trusted members "I do not want to show my code to anyone or give up my anonymity". What has changed since then, and why do you think anyone here is stupid enough to ignore the bigger picture that



You refuse to give up anonymity and have the highest risk level of any endeavor in the community, risk almost entirely caused by your anonymity.

Do not fall victim to more bullshit stalling and wriggling people. As I've said a dozen times now in this very thread even, it doesn't matter if he's a scammer or not, what matters is that we cannot continue to leave ourselves open as a community with scoundrels like this who are just planning on another MyBitcoin 2.0.

Let it be done with and let this episode in Bitcoin's history be over with already. Stop doing business with shady scumfucks who can't even give (or decide on which is) their real name for God's sake.

at this moment in time your clients are the only people who you should even be caring about.
when, you can honor the withdrawals, and do honor the withdrawals.
maybe some of us might trust you again.

but if you keep talking to these wasters, everyone is going to jump ship.

also, click the link to ignore Matthew N Wright, the guy is a complete waste,
and there is literally nothing he could ever say that could ever be of any importance to anyone here at all.

Bitscalper is down now, the records are nuked, and the original investments were misplaced, so the plan would be to go into the logs and refund everyone who asked for one? I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you need to have a definitive plan of action to get back out of the hole.

Yes, ignore me sockpuppet. There is nothing (I was the first to do business with him and have hours and hours of skype logs proving his intentions, inappropriate, scammy, sociopathic and shady nature, and am the only one who is actually investigating into his real identity) I can offer to this conversation.

By all means. Ignore me.

Also, how much did you lose, because it's obvious you're only fanboying out of the misplaced hope you'll somehow recoup your losses (which isn't happening).

does this mean theymos has our coins now?

This is what I was thinking. Grab a solid dino bone and try to get it all back.

Ok, let me try to give you Bitscalper an advice under the assumption that your story is true.

First we miss some hard facts from you. Could you please answer this:

A: Number of requested user BTC's ?
B: Number of BTC's which were stolen yesterday?
C: Number of BTC's from your business (incl. user-depostits & your profit) which you still have (after the steal)?
D: Number of private BTC's or $$$ you would take to compensate the latest disaster you have done for your users?

The number of Bitcoins you can withdrawal in the very next time would be C+D.
Based on B and D the sum of C+D is likely lower than A, if this is the case you can't fully withdrawal the requested user BTC's.
Just do a proportional payout of every user. The missing difference is the open dept claim. You can think in the next step how you can pay this credit back to your users.
One way would be to sell your arb-trading-technology and compensate your users.

Example:
A=1500 BTC
B=500 BTC
C=1100 BTC
D=100 BTC

You would proportionally pay out 1200BTC from the requested 1500 BTC to your users. So everyone is getting right away 80% of his Bitcoins back.
You would still have a credit of 300 BTC to pay back to the users.
Let's say you will find someone who is paying you 300 BTC for your arb-trading technology you can fully pay all of your users out, if he would pay more you can still make profit.

I hardly don't recommend to let your platform keep running with C, in the hope you will make BTC's to finally pay out your users. You already proofed more than only one time, that you are not able to take care about the important necessary steps to to it. You should not do this decision without the agreement of your users, because it's their money you play with.

So what are the numbers for A-D?
 

Oh shut up. It's blatantly obvious you're having a vested interest with bitscalper, or you're only his alter ego.

Really, i don't have any alter ego or sock puppet, believe it or not this is the only account i hold. So guys, i'll come up with exact numbers and transaction logs during today. We can find a way to sort this out. The hole is likely around one thousand coins.

Ah, so when people want their money and you admit to having it, you only have a couple hundred coins,

but when you claim you're hacked to try to give yourself a way not to have to pay, suddenly it was a thousand coins?

Interesting how your sociopathic mind works.

Do you mind if I use you for a case study of mentally deranged Bitcoiners for the magazine?

I never said i did not owe you guys some coins. With a couple of hundreds i meant around 600, the hole was at 400, now it's around 1000. This is the last count from the database :
1028.38379407561

What is the wallet address for that "database" so we can verify the coins are there?

Can't you act in a constructive way ? let's sort out some way of continue operating but without me solely having the control of the funds. I could give out a copy of bitscalper wallet.day private keys to a trusted member here. I'll open a poll to gather people's opinion about how i should deal with this thing. Your opinion is way too limited by your personal ideas about me ( wrong ideas )

What do you mean ? that number is the result of an SQL query on the withdrawal table.

With this number you refer to the current requested withdrawal list on your website, right? If this is the case I would finally expect a higher number, because this list started from yesterday, and there were a lot of login problems during this time. Even now login is again not working (Server error! Please contact the admin.). So I highly assume there a lot of users who didn't re-transmit there old requests again during this short time window. If you want to do your calculations based on this number you should try to keep your site availabe AND send an urgent email to all of your users with some information and with the urgent request to put in their withdrawals request asap.

Yes i do refer to that table. I 'm working on this now, thanks for your advices, it's much appreciated.

And you never said you did, either.

You have a single wallet where you keep all of your profits and customer money too (same as a ponzi!) and the only non-backed up form of accounting you had was an unsecured public SQL table? Are you fucking kidding me?

The only reason you can't send back people's money is because you don't know how much out of the large amount of BTC you hold right now goes to whom? What a fuck up.

People on here supporting you must be insane. You are requiring your customers to help you reconstruct their balances because you're afraid of giving them your profits? Jesus christ.

I just queued a random non-relevant database on my VPS that has nothing to do with anything and is full of numbers and this is the number that came back: 93099.392093

What's your point? Do you really think people are that stupid to take your word that the database is even the customer database, much less accurate? You fucking failed. Big time. Trust is gone. You are incompetent and incapable of running a business, much less the over-hyped non-investment ponzi you've been trying to run.

You are a sociopath who has convinced himself that he is important and doing something important. You keep your anonymity because you don't want to receive punishment for your wreckless and scammy behavior.


Oh hey! Someone said the number is wrong on a public forum and you will now go back and do due diligence instead of not lying in the first place! Brilliant!

Easier for him to claim that it got hacked than paying out.

I would say it would be, more profitable for him than paying out. The payout process itself shouldn't be complicated.

But wouldn't it be much more easy to just take the Bitcoins and don't care anymore what people complain about? If I would be a scammer I would not spend the time after my scam inside this forum...

Again, I also think he is a scammer and it's the absolutely right thing that he has the SCAMMER brand until he proofs the opposite, which he hasn't done until now.

What a coincidence, gone for a month, comes back and now before he can pay whats owed they get "stolen".

LMAO...!

Interesting that the evidence that he claims is "stolen" magically reduces the size of his obligation in pending withdrawals by 75%, JUST ONE DAY AFTER HE ACKNOWLEDGED THE NUMBER WAS AROUND 4,000!!! Now the legit number is around 1,000?

Think about that for a moment.

Oh, and hoo? A special note just for you... if all you can do is throw out childish remarks like "faggot", really just go back to your GameBoy and shut the fuck up. The vast majority of the comments here actually cast light on the subject matter, your ignorant 8 year old bullshit just makes you look foolish. Sorry you lost the family rent money, all 2.25 btc worth in this brilliant investment, but it ain't coming back, even. No matter how much ass-licking you do in support of this filthy scammer. In fact, you are about one comment away from getting lit up with SCAMMER FUCK-TOY tag yourself.

You are an arrogant prick yourself. Here we are trying to find a solution. Don't push more fuel onto the fire. Go get a life.

"03/14/2012 -Important announcement: Bitscalper was hacked yesterday between 16.00 and 18.00 (UTC+1) and the totality of coins stolen. We are working on gathering all possible informations on the hack at this very moment. We apologize for any inconvenience we might cause."

Kiss'm goodbye guys.  Glad I didn't put any more than 3 BTC in.

We are working on sorting out the issue, people will get their coins back. i'm not here to scam anyone, please open your eyes.

I opened mine and saw a "Scammer" tag on you..

Why would a scammer want to give you back your money ? please argument this rationally.

We don't know that... because you haven't processed any withdrawals. Hense the scammer tag

 ::) LoupGaroux ignored, due to his incessant ramblings and the foul stench of a true btctalk tard,
the kind that does actually nothing but muddle this site full of baby shit.

to all and any other btctalk idiots, who are obviously operating with an intelligence quotient of < 80.

just because i stated theymos operated in a very mentally deficient manner with actual malice,
and that I am trying to get my money back,
does not mean I'm bitscalper you fucking mental midgets.

now if anyone else somewhere deep inside took offense to what I just wrote.
you deserved it.

you haven't processed the withdrawals.
and you state on your site you haven't any possible way of doing so.
not only that but, the admin here has shown he has nothing but malice towards you, through his actions that began this mess.

removing all the surrounding bullshit, the scammer tag at this point in time is ringing true.
If I can see your pov, you want more people to send you bitcoin so you can indeed turn this into a ponzi scheme.
or with the last flame of hope use to put into your system.
however at this time, it doesn't really seem you have your head on straight.

from the outside looking in, it doesn't really look like you have done anything except write some shit on your site and pander to the idiots here for the last 3 days.
sure you have a new screen recording showing your new system but seeing the amounts being used is not reassuring, at all...

To settle this whole case, everyone can just refrain sending more coins to bitscalper until he returns what he's due. Until then, we should consider him a scammer. If bitscalper is operating an honest arbitrating system here, he should refund everyone before going "back to business".

Please focus on troubleshooting and stop justifying yourself over and over without any step forward.

Over 5 hours before you stated to urgently inform all of your users via email and request to add their withdrawal requests (again) asap.
Up to now, you didn't send this urgent email!

Over 5,5 hours before I ask you to give us some numbers (A-D) and you promised you will come up with exact numbers.
Up to now you don't present one of this 4 numbers.

So to me it looks at the moment, like you don't do ANYTHING else then promising and playing posting-war with other users.

In every minute more, in which you don't show us ANY sign of action or fact which shows clearly that you are really working on your problem, you are confirming what Matthew wrote about you.

Welcome to the dark side, brother.

Cool new update on their website, all coins stolen suddenly LOL

Allways the easiest way to profit it seems

Glad I pulled my coins out before all this shit hit the fan.

I've invested the small amount of 10btc, in your business, i've requested the withdrawal for more than a month and a half now, and nothing has happened.
After making us hope for a week that your website will be working again, you pretend to be hack, are you taking us all to be fouls???
Give me my btc back as i have requested the withdrawal a long long time ago. The only reason i don't have them at the moment is due to your inhability to set up things properly.
Please solve this matter fast and pay me back!

I thought Bitcoins were divisible to the 8th decimal place.

You know bitscalper, your righteous indignation does nothing to address the issue here, all you seem to be able to do is come up with new stories. I am not pushing fuel onto a fire, I am just pointing out the inconsistencies in your claims, and highlighting the lies that you continue to make. If that is an arrogant prick in your world, fine, I accept that label, just as you seem to be very content with the completely accurate label SCAMMER because that is what you are.

Stop talking and start processing withdrawals. Give the people who have demanded their money their funds back. It has been over one month now since this thing fell apart, and all you have done, when not hiding completely, is to tell stories that change hour by hour, day by day. It seems like you are seearching for the best excuse that has worked for others, and trying to make that your story... first it was hacking then an accident, then theft, then a collapse of a distant star that sent poisonous energy beams into your SQL table... what's next? The government has seized the funds to make war reparations? You are a very bad liar, a horrible "businessman" and a second rate thief.

I have a wonderful life, thanks for you concern. Earlier today I spent several hours of it at an enjoyable round of golf, and now I come back to check messages, and I find you still doing nothing to recover your reputation, just making more stories up about terrible things that have happened.

Well boo fucking hoo for you. Get busy correcting your fuck up and stop talking about your inadequacies, and looking to blame outside reasons for your failure.

C'mon everyone, let's take a deep breath

MarkM and BTC-Engineer said everything needed for this "business" to come back legit.
I think everyone said anything he had on heart, against bitscalper multi-faults.

bitscalper: pay close attention to what engineers told you, they're here to help. Send your users a message, show you're still alive, it's a matter of respect upon them.
It would be a great idea if you let someone qualified assisting you in clearing the mess.

That would require not being a self-important sociopath who believes he is infallible and uninterested in honest, open transparency.

I think you miss the point, he updated their site today reflecting all coins were now stolen. Withdrawal/accounting issues is out of the window, no way he is going to pay back every coin out of his pocket or refund the coins if he indeed simply stole it.

Ho, ho, ho!! The only deep breath I need is to ready myself for more laughing at the fools who still think they are actually going to see one thin Satoshi from this scumbag.

Well it seems like i'm throwing water on an oil fire
i'm the kind of douche to give anyone endless chances
 :-X

When it comes to money, specially anonymous money, you should allways assume the worst. Just look at the financial crisis with mostly money that could be traced and even they showed signs of collapse but kept people mostly in the dark.

Rule of thumb, if things smell shitty then pull out (I think this is a sexual pun aswell)

Ist der Ruf mal ruiniert, lebts sich gänzlich ungeniert!
- German Proverb

"If the call times ruined, totally unashamedly lebts!"

Google translator is no help...

 :D
Alright, it's something like

When reputation is ruined - living on reckless.
I tried to get over some of the flavor, it's not the exact meaning (more like "without shame") but at least this way it rhymes a little bit ;)

I try to translate it:
If you can't losing your reputation anymore, because your reputation is already completely spoiled, then you don't care anymore about your reputation.

very true!
It says (just not as poetic as the original from Wilhelm Busch): Once reputation is ruined, living is unembarrassed.

It is not so much a proverb rather an aphorism. Thus it is halfly true, whilst 50% truth is a rather high percentage in a statement nowadays!

Why is he letting deposits happen but not withdrawals and not even running the bot.  He is just buying more time hoping for more deposits to steal  >:(

Words very well picked and placed LoupGaroux, but still knowledge originates from learning.
So I doubt he will ever be able to know.

I think switching off the deposit function is not soo important at the moment, especially because it looks like simple things are a big challenge for bitscalper.
He has the note about the stolen bitcoins in red letters on his website. If someone still make deposit he should know what he do.

Bitscalper should put ALL of his energy into paying back the requested user money. Everything else is just gimmick at the moment.

Why doesn't he run the bot to pay back the withdrawals slowly out of the profit  ???  Oh the bot doesn't exist  ::)   

The bot exists. We don't have the funds to run the bot anymore. And hardly someone will trust me again with the kind of reputation i have now. I'm evaluating some solutions at the moment, i can just say that probably people will see the first withdrawals processed in the next few days.

No need to piss on the guy when he's already in a corner and both parties have established it's on Bitscalper's head to make things right, unless we just want to re-purpose the thread into pissing on Bitscalper for cursing your crops and your women too.

Although you might want to make it so that you can't withdraw into the negative when you spam the button, quick tip.

You know liquor stores usually have a lot of cash, right?

ROFL. Anyway we removed the deposit functionality from our website, since many people are asking why we are still taking deposits.

Hey! Get back to reviewing what your options are to figure out what your next excuse will be to complete all the deposits that you are never going to make, but are attempting to placate depositors about. Nobody needs to see your writing any more, they just need to see their withdrawals being satisfied.

Am I the only one tired of seeing these bitscalper threads around here?  Often I'll see that there are new posts in my favorite speculation forum only to find that they're happening in this thread.  And then I'm like

http://i40.tinypic.com/bje8lv.gif

No, I’ve been wanting to complain for weeks, but I thought it would go away if I just ignored it.

It doesn’t even have anything to do with price speculation.

Help me report all this crap.

yes its been annoying me too.
move it to the bitch-fest board?

Bitscalper, could you explain me one thing please.

As your website states, you make money off widrawal fees @1.75%.

Another statement says your tool can generate 5% daily, let's make it 2.5%.

I put in 100 BTC one day, and after 30 days should have ~210 BTC thanks to your system (@2.5%). I take them out, pay you 3.65 BTC for withdrawal, netting ~106 BTC of pure profit.

Question: why did you spent "months" building this tool, pay for hosting, manage server, fight with sceptics on the forum, fend off hackers, ultimately pay back what they stole off your own pocket (for sake of the argument), only to give out fruit of you hard work to some unknown people who /just/ put money in your system. You are the genius one, but this is me who drinks champagne while throwing you some peanuts on the way out. Are you a philanthropist? I love you, I would send you flowers and my underage sister who is a professional hooker and knows a trick or two, if you know what I mean, but nobody knows who you are since you insist on being anonymous.

Prove that bitscalper was not designed to be a scam from day one.

I'm not a philanthropist. I'm just a guy with deep interest in coding and financial world related stuffs. Bitscalper was designed from day one to work for real and now the engine is even improved. I'm stuck now because all the funds left were stolen, otherwise i would be running the bot. I'm dealing with some people about how to solve the withdrawals problem. BTW what do you mean with "only to give out fruit of you hard work to some unknown people who /just/ put money in your system" ?

why wouldnt he be able to run the bot with his own coins and make a little bit of extra profit from sharing it with others? even if its only 3% extra its still 3% free money for him. its not like he can't use it for himself after setting up the site

I don't have any coins.. still this is not clear ?

why dont you just buy some?

me along with other users told you what you can do to make some bitcoins.
But your such a fucking asshole you dont want to pay anyone back.
And as a member said BUY SOME COINS.
You have 0 intention to pay back your old customers and just want to keep developing your piece of shit site so you can scam more..

Seriously what the fuck is your problem you just lie and lie and now your bitcoins are gone cause someone hacked you a month ago. Not only are you full of shit, you seriously got some kind of mental illness that needs to be helped. If you have no money use the bitcoins you stole and get some fucking help...

I don't deny your bot is not real. I'm asking why you've made money making machine and giving away grand majority of profits it generates, making money for yourself only from withdrawals (laughable amounts in comparison). In sentence you've quoted I'm asking just that. You did all hard work, from idea to execution, yet you're the one who profits the least, minuscule amounts in comparison what you could possibly be taking if you kept this tool private  for yourself, like all of other people who are running their bots. It doesn't make any sense, please let me see the light.

The way it works requires huge amount of fundings to generate said profits.

Yes, because it is a PONZI SCHEME.

No, it doesn't. Output scales with input, the more you put in, the more it will generate, but it does not require huge investment upfront. If you've put 100 BTC of your money, you'd have 102.5 BTC the next day, and 210 BTC by the end of the month at 2.5% return, making 110 BTC of profit in the process. But since you opened your service to public, I have made 106 BTC while I slept and rode my bicycle, and you made 3.5 BTC while maintaining the bot, site, server and customers. Of course you made profit only if I decided to withdraw my coins, but I'm getting free money here so instead I'm pumping in more, while you get round null and actually losing money since you've got hosting bills to pay.

It still doesn't make sense, what am I missing?

I'm still wondering how so many of you guys fell for this scam.  :'(

"Give me your money and I'll give you unthinkable returns forever by using the 'magic of technology'." Isn't this the most basic of scam/ponzi beginnings?

Am I missing something?

You forgot something: Trusting a completely anonymous person with your capital.

And yes, Bitcoiners are probably the must gullible people I heard of.

Hoo is Bitscalpers other personality.  I can see him replying to himself just to stall for time.


When zhoutong announced he had 40,000 bitcoins stolen in the Linode hack, zhoutong gave the addresses the bitcoins were sold to.  Yet, when bitscalper claimed their bitcoins were stolen, he gives no evidence.

Wow, he must really think people are stupid... I guess the ones that gave him money in the first place are.


Also this:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=57422.msg709215#msg709215

So I have doing some digging around while I procrastinate and have found some information.

It looks like Bitscalper did change hosting companies.  They switched from autovps.net to Filoo (http://www.whoishostingthis.com/bitscalper.com) located in Germany (https://ipdb.at/ip/109.75.176.185).

You can contact Filoo (http://www.filoo.de/) at info@filoo.de 

Also a DNS (http://www.who.is/dns/bitscalper.com/) search on bitscalper.com returns the SOA record with a domain administrator's email address.

I think the only way to get back at scammers is to discover their identity.  It does not look like Filoo accepts bitcoin for payment so they could have payment information from Bitscalper.

You're asking the right question. This is the heart of the problem and why we know it's a scam. The market in Bitcoin right now is no where near enough to make a significant profit from arbitrage trading.


Please, everyone quote this. He is stating that the more people who deposit, the more chance of profit he can get. This violates the laws of arbitrage and common sense. If he has $5000 or $10k right now, it won't change his profits. There just simple isn't enough going on in the markets.

I personally tried to make a "scalp" but "barrier" - was the fact that it works with a small sum! No large! I have no interest in the day to engage in "picking cents", maximum 100 ... 120 dollars a day. And that I am one. So I immediately understood that this is a scam.

Exactly. Anyone still arguing that BitScalper is not a "scammer", is barking up the wrong tree. You don't have to think he's a scammer to know that BitScalper.com is a scam

The numbers just don't make sense. The concept just doesn't make sense. His constant excuses just don't make sense.

If it sounds too good to be true...


..it's probably because a sociopath and pathological liar is running the site.

purchase of any "impressive" volume is regarded as a "rally to the moon" .. and the sale - "the collapse, the fall" is - fucking stupid. And it is a signal of a "complete lack of demand." Of course, it provokes the "break triangle up" (as yesterday). always know in advance what will happen after the "breakthrough"
 and so what the hell "scalp"?? If it ever will be a real demand - then it will be, and scalp. Bitskalper hurried, a little bit ahead of time, but in its place, others will follow .. When there is sufficient demand for coins and when will stopped the "madness of the moon, and a scarecrow for the investor"

Hard 2 engrish much

sorry, I do not know English, but in the Russian forum "to do nothing, emptiness, not interesting, only miners'"

True, but I still understood it  :P ;D

From here on, I'll be taking over bitscalper in an arrangement made between the original owner and myself: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=68862

Can we get the title of this updated as follows?

Hi guys,

I'm happy to announce that Bitscalper is under new management and i'm not in charge of managing funds anymore. A trusted member of this forum took over the whole venture. Please consider this thread closed.

Now when are you planning on paying everyone back?

Is the new member going to pay everyone back?

No one has been paid back yet. Not over yet.

On a note I have tied it when it first started, with something like 8 btc. I did withdraw as soon as there first seemed to be problems (no profits for a day) and I got +10% out. In retrospect I probably took part in a ponzi. I guess people who were quick enough didn't suffer any damage, though it's kind a dumb to give people a warning when attempting something like this.

But just to say your statement isn't entirely correct ;)

I'll take 1000BTC  ;D

I personally know a guy who restores information from hard drives (even rearranges the plate to the scratch disk, the physical repair) but even I would not trust him to my drive   :(

hmmm

Please tell me it was one of you white hat good guys who hacked into Bitscalper and swiped all our coins because this stooge couldn't bring himself to give them back after a month of dicking around, and you plan on redistributing them yourself to the rightful owners in a Robin Hood-like fashion?


Someone please reveal this guy's identity so that we can destroy him.

I'm out of my league if a couple times through spinrite and a live disk won't get the data back, but best of luck.

Probably the case. There are numerous groups in Bitcoin capable of doing it and theymos already found a vulnerability a while back, so maybe he has them. Who knows. Who cares. Anyone who is involved in bitscalper gets what they deserve.


Working on it.

inb4 angry mobs reference

On it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpgDtoj73DQ

so what is the word,
what is actually going on now?

did bs sell the entire business to this MB person for the remainder of debt?

is the new model going to be put into play also?

I am taking over the site, I have finished transferring the files over to my server and I am will be in the process of performing an audit this weekend. I will keep people updated on my progress.
It is going to be slow and painful.

Good stuff man!

Understatement.

Good on you for being open and honest with the situation... the first step to a problem is to admit it's size and scope.

I look forward to actually considering using bitscalper in the future.  ::)

So when are you going to start accepting deposits and start the bot?

Hopefully when the audit is gone and done. ;)

So what time frame a couple of days, a couple of weeks or over a month  ???

I am the not owner of the site... just commenting that there shouldnt be a hard time frame... it should be dependent on when its ready.

If there is any way I, or anyone else on here can help...

Look at all the happy little lambs lining up for the field trip to the abattoir. Just can't wait to get back into that fantasy world.

when I started it was upwards of 4-5% for about a week and a half, it continued to become less and less until the daily return was < 1%.

even at less than 1% it was still good for a person who does not day trade.

Withdrawal list is reset again.  :(  This will make the 3rd time it has happened to me.  Hopefully new management can figure out how not to delete something.

Don't forget to thank Matthew for almost making bitscalper run away without even passing the site administration to a trusted member much less pay you all what he owes/owed.

Imagine if he had done the same with terrytibbs... you get my point.
Bitscalper already had a scammer tag, so the matter in hands was only if he would return owed funds back, not if he was going to continue "scamming", because with that tag under his username whoever sent money there deserved to be scammed.

I am not sure how you meant that, but all's well that end's well.


P.S. BitScalper is still trying to contact me on Skype to sell me on his innocence and inch his way into some position where being completely anonymous, clumsy, shady and unprofessional is somehow acceptable. Not gonna happen.

Not sure? You were harrasing the man using as argument that he scammed(and got the tag for it) and was trying to scam more and you wouldn't let that happen, and you continued on it for 15 pages, despite the fact that he was already labeled a scammer and, like I said, only a moron would risk money on him, and if the moron did it, than the moron doesn't deserve to be protected. If I was on Bitscalpers' shoes I would just turn my back and leave you here with all the scammed dudes. Bitscalper is way more patient than me, that's for sure.

Maybe you don't agree with what I said, but despite having disagreed before with the forum policy of tagging scammers and be done with it, I'm starting to see the advantage on it. After all you already saw more than one case where the scammers or their relatives/friends(?) paid back what they owed.
If people continued to antagonize them I bet most of those cases wouldn't have ended like they did.

sh****, I usually don't write this much. Only you, Matthew, to make me explain everything to the last(I hope) detail. Maybe because I like you.

I didn't think he was scamming anyone when this mess started though. Look back at how I basically said "I am not saying he's a scammer, just that supporting ridiculously risky shady businesses opens us up to another mybitcoin.com fiasco.". That is what caused people to pull their deposits--- common sense.

As for me thinking he's a scammer, I'm actually on the fence as far as his intentions, as I always have been. But the circumstances are definitely worthy of a scammer tag. He has constantly broken every promise he gave, disappeared completely for a month, mishandled security, mishandled people's funds, then claimed being hacked. At this point, whether he intended to scam anyone is irrelevant. At this point, his continued insistence on retaining anonymity and brushing this under the rug is worthy of being called a scammer.

I've been extremely nice/cordial/overly patient with him from the beginning. I am 100% convinced he's a sociopath. That said, I appreciate that not everyone will appreciate my trolling on every issue and I know I went overboard (I get like that when I stay up too late). Still friends?

Weren't we always?

Come here you [insert appropriate size and reference to animal relevant to body mass and hair length]!

What does make you think that i want to claim my innocence or something ? if you speak to me i will reply anyhow, i don't understand your behaviour. Still you call me a sociopath, fair.

Interestering to see that bitscalper may come back... i really dont trust that whole thing 100% but i must say i wouldnt believe any real scammer would dare to do that step.... so i am curious what will happen next (and if i can get back my 4 BTC ^^)

PS: Funny to see a SolidCoin supporter like psy attacking people to be scammers.. that just feels weird...

Because you've already mentioned on repeated occasions that myself and my incubator/standards organization are seen as a "Mafia" in your eyes, that our existence is unacceptable, and that you are "afraid" of us and do not want to work with us, and yet you continue to message me with greetings and things like "lol".

Do you think we are friends? You steal money, make excuses, break promises and hide your identity. Wow. Some friend.


You are a sociopath, and just like Atlas, even when you disagree with someone you're obsessed with keeping a line of communication open with them so that you can milk more arguments to twist. It's not original. I see it constantly on these forums from scammers.

Your entire logic is flawed. You just like to insult and scare away people. Yes i will continue messaging you, i hope one day you'll have the balls to speak to me.

This from the anonymous person..  Tell us who you are before you start talking about balls..

Fair, but it's not that i have something to hide, i'm trying to avoid being prosecuted just for running bitscalper.

I am speaking to you, genius. Who did you think this message is for?


Well you're not running bitscalper anymore, right? So guess it's time to drop the anonymity!

5BTC says he gives another reason/excuse right after this in a classical self-serving, spergy sociopathic manner.

LOL. you are simple minded. I ran it in the near past, so i am still in the same situation, i can be prosecuted for having "laundered" a lot of money. I don't give a shit about your thoughts, your are a psychopathic.

Sociopaths are usually defined as people displaying anti social behavior which is mainly characterized by lack of empathy towards others that is coupled with display of abnormal moral conduct and inability to conform with the norms of the society. People suffering from antisocial personality disorder are often referred to as sociopaths. Some of the other characteristics that sociopaths may display are stealing, lying, lack of remorse for others and towards living beings, irresponsible behavior, impulsive behavior, drug or alcohol abuse, problems with the law, violating rights of others, aggressive behavior and much more.

Research has revealed that since a sociopath never conforms to the rules of the society, he or she is not bothered about the consequences of his or her actions. Such people at times are also able to inspire like minded people. Some of the other traits that are common in antisocial people are that they are usually intelligent and have a superficial charm and they are able to attain success using unscrupulous methods. Thus they can also never learn from their own mistakes and they do not hesitate to indulge in certain activities that are considered immoral and taboo by the society.


For a person to be diagnosed as a sociopath he or she must have at least three or more of the below mentioned symptoms. (I've bolded the ones that clearly relate to you).

• Displays heightened levels of deceitfulness in dealings with others, which involves lying, conning others without remorse, or even using aliases
• Inability to abide by the social norms and thus violating law
• Displays aggressiveness and often tends to get into assaults and physical fights
• Displays complete lack of empathy for others and their situation for which they are responsible
• Displays no feelings or shallow feelings
• Displays impulsive behavior which is indicated by the inability to plan for the future
• Displays no concern for safety of others around them or self
• Inability to sustain a consistent behavior that stems mainly from irresponsibility especially at work place or in other dealings
• Displays promiscuous behavior

Just barely squeaked in there BitScalper.




Warning signs for sociopaths (again, bolded the ones you've shown):

• inconsistencies between what a person says and does
• excuses or subject changing when caught in a lie
• no feeling of shame when caught an embarrassing situation
• going around the question, answering it in a way that doesn’t really answer it
• ability to sense vulnerabilities and motivated in using them for personal gain or pleasure, manipulate without remorse
• seeing any social situation as a contest or a test
• ability to understand rules & laws and judging them as a part of “the game”, but no ability for empathy or emotional understanding behind the rules
• poorly connected speech and abundance of excuses, during speech using more hand gestures than normal. These tendencies reflect difficulty in converting thoughts and feelings into speech
• repeatedly performing acts that can serve as grounds for arrest
• irritability and aggressiveness, indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults
• disregard for safety of self or others
• cruelty to animal

Food for thought:


Sounds like Atlas.

So your service/site was always to run a illegal scam site hmm......
The thing that pisses me off the most is that you were selling the bot for 250-500 btc on reddit, no one took it then all of a sudden some guy can pay all your debts which is more likely 3k bitcoins. You are such a scammer i wouldnt doubt you gave the stolen bitcoins so that guy to take the fall..

Now most people are kissing your ass, except me and matt and only 1-2 more people... Because we know your ether a piece of shit scammer or you must be the worst programming in the world and cant manage shit. Which brings me to how you can sell your software for like 8x your asking price, why in the world would anyone pay 8x the requested amount for your software. Also i bet the way you created the bot is the same way you made your site. Which is a piece of shit, you got hacked on your site, you keep deleting the mysql table ect...

Now i cant wait for that guy who bought the piece of shit software to back down... If you cant manage your site how can you make software which costs $15,000

You are just buying time...  to scam more and more...

Bottom line is my mind is that bitscalper remains a scammer, and has found a patsy to assume his debt. I don't know MiningBuddy so I won't speak to his abilities or decision making process.

Until everything is made whole with everyone bitscalper is a scammer.

And now a scammer who clearly states that what he is doing is considered money laundering in his jurisdiction. Hmm, what an interesting new wrinkle. Wonder if MB was aware that he was adopting a terrorist?

This is not news. He claimed this from day one. His public defense for anonymity is because he's "afraid of prosecution" in Italy.

new wrinkle ? you did not pay enough attention since the start.

Your pathetic copy/pasting from wikipedia does not impress me and does not change things. You are the psycho here.

You are completely out of mind and full of bullshit. I'll assist the guys who will run bitscalper and you will see that it was real since the start ;)

Less talk, more walk.

Shut up.

Make me.

LOL

Funny to see how dumb people confuse me disliking asshats of the likes of BitcoinEXpress and his fanbois* with me supporting Solidcoin.

Keep drinking the koolaid, blind man...

*who are themselves criminals and scammers, hence why I don't like them

Actually, for all his character flaws, psy has been on the side of the angels on this issue.

This scam has nothing to do with SC, and it really isn't fair to paint it as such. Psy has been against scammers very publicly, and I can respect that opinion.


So you are actually admitting that this entire thing is a money laundering operation, FROM THE START? That you have offered a criminal enterprise as an "investment vehicle"? That speaks loud and clear, not only about you as a scammer, but the integrity of any "trusted member" who would enter into business with you. MiningBuddy that means you. Are you good with offering criminal services for profit? Chaang Noi- are you okay with associating with money laundering as a way to profit for your company?

I think the community has a need to understand just how filthy these "trusted members" are willing to be. Are we merely the currency of choice of the criminal element, or is there hope for this being something useful to the legitimate world?

Oh you mean as opposed to the existing criminal element better known as the legitimate world?  ;)

It is my understanding that bitscalper was never intended to be a money laundering operation at all what so ever. The way I understand it is that given Italian laws, in their eyes, running a site like bitscalper, or simply using bitcoins themselves could/would be considered illegal activity.

Mismanagement of funds can easily lead to a ponzi even without the intention of the management.

Probably you have some brain damage. Bitscalper can be considered money laundering activity under the italian laws.

Bitscalper- given your completely fucked up history here, your complete fuck-up of your business model, your horrible communication and dishonest manner of treating people who have invested with you, and your childish attitude- the very last thing you should be doing is making juvenile remarks about brain damage. You only serve to make yourself look like a bigger asshole that you have already been acting like.

How about if you just shut the fuck up and let the adults have a conversation? I was asking a legitimate and very serious question. You have been running an operation that is illegal in the country where you have been running it. You fucked up this "business" and had to have other people come to your assistance and clean up your mess. I am wondering if those people were aware that the entire base premise of your "scheme" is illegal, and under American law (which applies to Americans who might be investing with you...) you are considered to be assisting in terrorism, because money laundering is now included in terrorist activities in terms of penalties.

So, stupid little child, be quiet unless you have something meaningful to offer- your ridiculous comments add nothing to the situation that you have already fucked up in a huge way.

I personally now call for the Administration of this community to remove this thread and restrict any discussion of the bitscalper method, as it is extremely detrimental to the bitcoin concept, and as a service designed to break the law, is probably not something that should be in open discussion here.