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https://i.imgur.com/LZt8TG9.jpg (https://www.sawdice.com/)

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* Bitcoins added to your account after Zero confirmation
* Zero withdrawal fee ( what you withdraw is what you get , we pay the transaction fee not the player )  
* minimum withdrawal only 0.0002
* Cold wallet https://blockchain.info/address/1DUTgipJHFctU3UyWFavWmddRea7cAR5YK


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fantastic promotion there, 0% edge for first 10 days. I also especially like the withdraw to any coin option as well, may try it if i feel like playing dice anytime in the next 10 days. hope you wont have copyright problems with using billy the doll as your site's 'mascot' figure.

what the hell ;D 0% house edge that was nice promo , i would like to try this one soon
your site seems scary with backsound

nice take on dice. diffrent. i like it.




if we win do we get locked in room with others and have to saw off leg to live??

You should probably also say what the edge will be after 10 days.
People will be interested in knowing about the status once the promo ends.  :)

i believe it is written near the bottom of the picture there that the edge is 1%.

Yes. Same as in the faq:

What is SawDice house edge ?
We only take 1% as house edge.( curently we have Zero house edge till 28 May 2015 ) .

Nice site. Like the ambient. But taking clips from the film and using it directly can't be legal. Not that most will care though.

I like the overall design of the site, it reminds me of tortured killing lol. Is there any affiliate system? I cant find it in the site.

Amazing promotion.  Uniquely designed compared to boring dice sites.. I will be trying this site out for myself over the next few days and I'll be keeping my self updated on this thread!  Good job OP.  :)

I had stopped dice games but as this is so different and the site looks pretty awesome, I have deposited a small amount to play along against 0% house edge. I have never seen any dice site start of like this it is a really good way to get out there imo. I will update here with my experience and hopefully list my winnings, Well done on a dice site for the mentally disturbed thinking it should be huge!  :D

Looks nice how much was the Lions gate films license to use their movie theme? Must have cost a small fortune.

live or die .. Make your choice  ;)

OP I can see your tying to reply to everyone?

If you are then 'quote' the message and once you have the message wrote for one person, go below where you would send it and find the next message and then quote that message and then reply to that message and so on, it will take you ages to reply singly to these posts with your 360second limit. Failing that write one post and for instance say,

@ asuryan hope you like the game and win lots from me lol  ;D (I lost my deposit) but good site.

@ cbase glad your the kind of guy that likes blood etc etc

Will save you some time OP

I hope that USD 10 script you bought works out for you. :P

zoom makes me so scared and creepy  :P :P ;D
btw.nice promotions sir .

I am sure it will work out well enough for him and how do you know that is how much he paid for the script? You sound a little jealous to be honest because you find the need to lie. You and everyone else knows it is not a $10 and even if it was that will be a really nice ROI coming the Ops way would you not agree. Lousy attempt at fud. I have tried your 0% edge and you have everything that is needed for a legit site hopefully you keep it legit.

Looks creepy lol I wish you had more animations while playing like blood dripping down when you hit a red and some sound effects for rolls etc and ofcourse the signature laugh of the doll at some point like when a player gets busted.

But all in all it looks different and it was about time dice sites started using movie based themes and now that you have opened the box we may see more of it in future.

Good luck with your site! :)

Just tried the automatic betting, it was smooth enough. But unfortunately when I was playing with autobet, I could not see my current balance.
It is not good when users play with autobet but they can't see their current balance, so I hope you add a display of user's balance in the autobet feature because it is important thing for users to see their current balance while betting so that they can manage their goals.

Anyway 0% HE for 10days is a good promotion, but I think you need to do more than this to attract more players.

If you have the budget you can start sig campaign and/or run a giveaway to start promotions for your site. Goodluck op.

That is ok no problem at all I don't want you having to wait longer than needed  :) It can be annoying at the best of times having to wait 360 seconds just replying to one person and you was having to reply to multiple. I will pop by again this week before the end of the promotion! Hopefully you get many players from it.

the site very weight to loaded :(

but i like the theme, it is so different :)

also nice promo 0% low house edge, good luck and success for your dice site

No kidding, the same script with uberdice and dicebits

Kinda neat and smoother if you were to compare with both of those two sites

Consider changing your TOS because using


Make you seems very unproffesional


I got this error while playing, no idea if this is the issue about the compatibility of my browser because I couldnt scroll it to view the missing things in the statistic pages there

https://i.imgur.com/fZkeNsC.jpg

What happens if i made some deposit with dogecoin ? i played with doge or the doge changed to BTC?

oohh yeaa
this is true ? i saw minimum deposit 0.00000001 BTC
https://i.imgur.com/DIVG478.png

so i can deposit whatever i want
eg 10k satoshi

https://i.imgur.com/joAdpzc.png

They use shapeshift io as mentioned in the FAQ page:

https://i.imgur.com/dRVwZET.png


I think it loads very fast, maybe you're on a low resourced PC or are on a slower internet. It's working fine for me.


True, can't scroll below that.

After watching this thread I went straight to your site just by curiosity.I must say you adopted a different approach to reach the people to bring them back to dice game.The graphics and designing is fantastic.yeah,I will use this advantage of 0% house edge promotion to play this sooner. That video from saw is amazing.

I concur. Something fresh in Dice's World. But I wonder if that usage of Saw theme is not copyright infringement? Did op paid to be able to use Saw motif?
Because of this I am afraid that this site can be taken down. Is that possible? That 0% house edge is really great start, I wish Op can keep that promotion longer.

very nice with this promotion ill be trying your site today/tomorrow we will see if i get any luck :P

I agree with you regarding Saw motif and to prolong the promotion of 0% if is possible for OP.This video is very attractive but OP needs to take your concern in consideration.These days copy right and piracy regulations are very harsh.Let the OP to make it clear.

I'm trying to register but when i fill all the fields and click on "Let's play a game" nothing happens. It just stays there.
Can you please fix it?
Thanks!

I believe it is copyright infringement


I would say that he doesnt pay for it because if he is , then ofcourse he would have mention it at OP already


It is possible if the legal feds notice this and it can be taken down and the owner of the site will be charge but I doubt that they will notice this since this site is nearly up for less than 24 hours and ofcourse if this site stays under the radars than they will not be notice


P.S : the same thing happened for the stripdice  , I believe they put on girls picture that are copyrighted as well but they has not been taken down yet ( or else I would say their business doesnt go well )



You sure? because it is working perfectly on my end. It could be due to your internet connection or you might want to refresh the page and try again

Just gave it a try with dogecoin working fine.I like the idea of game and 0 house edge is a plus point for me to play there.Nice efforts to bring cool work up for us.

Yeah still the same.. Maybe it's because of the place I am now. Gonna give it a try when i get home as well..

in first look at site it looks different than others graphics interesting and cool but background music makes it heavier to load on slow connection so better make it lite version with faster loading speed on slow connection that would be more helpful for new users.

agreed with you 0% house edge is nice promotion but admin must do something extra to attract new players for rolling dice there, sawdice has unique graphics and easy to navigate user interface, if admin succeed to promote his business in right direction this can be more successful and get attention from big rollers.

Come on, at least they redesigned the graphs and the UI. Not like the one that using some simple color.

sawdice has good designed page with simple user interface and it looking eye catching, admin do you have any plan for launch giveaway promo or any other social media campaign to let know the world about this new dice site?

I'm too disturbed by the entrance page, and the first post here. I don't know who you are targeting, but it is too intense and dark for me. When I see that, I get the opinion that I will lose all the money I put in. Surely other people must think the same. You need to find the goth kids in high school, they'll love it. Put signs outside Hot Topics?

great design are u using a custom script, how do I verify my bets.

You can verify your bets on the verification page, click the "fair" tab above the FAQ and you will see a link to the verification page (see screenshot)

https://i.imgur.com/8xB7QsI.png

Isn't the owner trying to make his site as real as the SAW in the movies ?
Also, it's more fun if i fill that i'll lose my money ::)

https://i.imgur.com/UQ6hiC1.png?1 (https://www.sawdice.com/)

The first dice site using background music I've ever seen so far since I'm joined this forum.
And yeah I'm SAW lover ( just love the music and love all series )
Great job for launching this dice game...
Long live and have a big success ..good luck

wish your site all the best. but what happens when a saw fan contacts one of the saw people in production, then they see it get lawyers to work. copyright and trademark stuff

first of all cant you get copyrighted for having movie things in your web? and secondly i think that 0 house edge on the first days can lead you in a big loss

Nice site & good graphics .. i like it

 0% house edge is very nice, and i will try this.

Count me in for a test drive of your freaky site  :D Only make a small deposit to begin with but if it is all smooth then I will deposit more, I have not seen no complaints so am guessing things must be ok here. Will return with my experience of the site.

Firstly I like the idea of the movie theme that is very good and a nice change, but.. You have not really made it as good as it can be if I am honest, there is much you could do like animation when rolling, losing, winning withdrawing could have some kind of cheeky threat lol Basically it is very basic but a good idea! Can you and will you be upgrading, I mean like some of the things above? Nice change though so well done!

The site seems to be down right now and I am getting this weird error:

https://i.imgur.com/Wofs80W.png

Is it just me or someone else experiencing same issue?

yap, getting the same error message..and this is the first time I get this kind of error message..
lets wait for OP to explain what is happening to his site?

i have too facing same kind of problem on my side like everyone, that is problem with site script i think admin is trying to add some kind function to the site,

Same problem with me
Just tryed to go on and check the site and i get this error,pretty confusing

well ,, i think i found bug at your site

message me sir

Seems that you are a real bug bounty hunter :) but why didnt you message their support first instead of asking them to message you?

well its their decision if they want to solve the bug, why does he have to contact them, he can just forget it and that would be it

Can't withdraw :s "Cannot withdraw this amount at the moment please try again later or contact the support team." Its just 0.0125 BTC lol

keep us updated if they are still paying and if they will solve the problem, i would like to try it out

haha ,,, bounty hunter ,, nice name xD

because im lazy xD

I think if you buy it for 10 $, then you would still get the short end of the stick.

do you pay people bounties for getting the bug spotted and not abusing it or you dont give them anything?

the design of the game looks really interesting, but cant you get hit by law because of using movie pictures?

Maybe op should make a judge dredd game instead as their actions show they think "I am the law!"

Sorry couldn't resist.

He can be Unless he have the permit to use it in such a gambling game but i doubt it, it will cost him too much if its only a newly opened bitcoin dice site.

just my thought, but you should make a page that informs visitors that the site is down while maintenance happens. a small thing, but might save people a lot of trouble and give an overall better opinion of your site.

they already put that message on their home page about current downtime fixing some issue please try again soon because they are newly launch business and that kind of error in the start of any website is normal thing so cool down i hope they will be back soon.

sure ,,, they fix error  some directory

because the directory have all they script and you can save it  xD

thank you for announcement about the site status, i confirm that is working for me with good speed and rolling dice is also work normally like before so good luck admin for your hard work.

i tried your site out and its cool i like it but the problem is your still new and i dont want you to run with my btc so i will wait till i play bigger.
im not saying you will run its just a risk im not willing to take i hope you understand it :)
but ill be playing for smaller amounts :D
good luck with your site !

well,, you can send my bounty to my addy

1JxXDzcnWk1sMR1JiG2agZeELEa6g95pXd

Cool man I love the Saw films.
'I wanna play a game' -  ;D
Superb layout & graphics on the website man, full respect.
I'm going to sign up & have a go tonight when I get back home.
0% house edge for the first 10 days just seems too good to miss out on.
Good luck everybody.

maybe you could tell what bug was that? i am curious to know if the sum was reasonable that you sent him

thanks for payment ..

but it seems that was a mysterious bug as you are not going to tell others what was that? anyway if you dont want to tell others what was that, is not a problem but many others i am also curious to know about that?

that is only small bug and fixed

loved your site am goin to try a little deposit wish me luck  :P

I've found a bug that can potentially empty the entire bankroll.

I didn't want to post here but you haven't responded to my PM, I presume there will be a significant reward for reporting it?

I also have a solution for it.

Please PM me back.

Thanks.

I hate dice sites, but this is the first time I saw this kind of offer, though.
Best of luck to your site!  8)

Good news, we are extending the 0% house edge till Monday June 1st because BitcoinTalk was down the last 4 days , which means 4 more days without fees. Do not stop Rolling

https://i.imgur.com/EdZFZq1.png?1

                             https://www.sawdice.com/

Cool site! What would be cool is random jumpscares jumping out at the players at random times. There also should be an option to turn the mentioned feature off if it is ever implemented, for people who don't like being jumpscared.

i did deposit some and has 2 confirmation
but still have not been credited on my account
i had +10 minutes to wait, just wish sawdice have instant deposit

Nice promotion you are doing. I did a few test runs and I like it. I saw the saw films when I was young and was petrified. Still scares me to this day.

yeaaa i did refresh  then i see my balance .. hehe my mistake  ;D
and i win there
  its easy for read patterns in your site .. i think i have to stop, and continued later

Just out of curiosity: where are the Deposit and Withdraw buttons on your site? I may have a temporary spell of blindness, but I can't seem to find them.

Don't ask me how I missed that, it must have been that my morning coffee hadn't kicked in yet. Temporary blindness it was. /embarassed

I just realized what happened. I was running your built-in bot where these fields are not displayed. Silly me.

how much bitcoins do you have in your cold storage to pay for the big wins people can hit? it would be interesting to see

Nice design.  I kinda feel like I will get murdered if I play though!

What kind of maximum bet limits do you have? I don't see it anywhere on the site.

Big vouch for these guys, the owner has paid me lots of voluntary bounties.

Great promo on ur site..
Pliss give more day for ur promo.  ;D
I like to play and very enjoying when playing on brandnew site like urs..

My heart got more beat every time play on ur site, its very creepy+im on betting. Lol

So you currently have 0% house edge, and no maximum bet?

That sounds like a remarkably risky thing to offer.

If you weren't a totally unknown entity you could find yourself with some huge whales on your hands.

I didn't see that one. What was the deal, something like deposit 10 lamas up front and get a daily lama in return for life?

The gestation period is 11.5 months (350 days) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Llama#Gestation) so such a return is clearly unsustainable.

I am considering betting on your site with some larger (but not huge) amounts; can you provide proof of solvency (ie: an address which proves that you have a real/proper/significant bankroll)?

Thanks, I'll wait with my deposit until then.

So:

1. No max. bet
2. "5 figures cold storage"
3. Zero house edge

and...

4. Terrible CoinDice script (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=507515.0) that actually has some scam accusations against them...?

Lol, really...? One would think you could afford a decent programmer with so much money.

For those questioning if it is really that CoinDice script, anyone can see this in their network tab of their browser console and also it's stated in this CSS file: http://sawdice.com/themes/Saw/main.css



You also claim to have a fantastic provably fair method:

But truthfully it is one of the worst implementations of provably fair that make it extremely easy for the site owner to cheat. I am NOT accusing you of doing that AT ALL, just saying it's technically very easy:

1. You only send the serverseed hash to my browser, if I specifically click "Fair" tab. If a player does not do that before every bet, you can make the outcome anything you like so the site can make the player lose literally every bet.
2. Even if the player does that, he still has to change clientseed manually before every bet because the site does not change it randomly in a cryptographic secure way in the browser. So let's say I change my client seed first time, second bet you know it already and you can give a serverseed hash based on this and my betting pattern (if I am going for 50% low every bet, you can give me serverseed hashes that make me lose based on my unchanged clientseed.)



Requiring the player to click "Fair" tab and manually change their clientseed EVERY TIME before they bet, is not really provably fair IMHO.

I would advise you to look how the bigger sites do it and use a "server- and clientseed + nonce" method.

For players, at this point, I would advise to not play here until that cold storage address is provided and the provably fair implementation is improved.

Not a lot life on this site  :-\

well its pretty new right now and they keep on developing it, so it might attract a lot of players in near future

Smart looking dice site, will give you a go as soon as I get some funds transferred. Hope you can provide a nice cold storage wallet or you will not hear the end of it admin. 

© CoinDice *  Demo: http://www.btcircle.com/dice

I gave you a try for your 0% house edge which I have to add is a pretty good promotion to start your site on, my risked amount was not much because I've found it hard to trust any new site on this forum due to the past happenings. Anyway you have a basic site to work with there is so much more you could do visually and with the sound effects that would make your site so much better. I will check back now and again to see how you getting on and what improvements have been made.

You have to be joking. Your system is among the worst I've seen. Imagine being a player on your site, and wanting to make 100 provably fair bets. How much work would they have to do? They would have to note 100 different server seed hashes, change their client seed 100 times, verify 100 server seed hashes, and verify 100 rolls. That's so much work that literally nobody is going to do it.

Compare that with a site like Just-Dice where each player gets a single pair of seeds (one server seed hash, one client seed). They make 100 bets, then chose to reveal the server seed and can verify all 100 bets with a single click.

For you to claim that your system is somehow better than that is beyond belief. No sane person could compare the too and find your to be better.

To address your 4 points:


1. if a site doesn't provide the server seed ever, then it isn't provably fair
2. if a site doesn't provide the server seed hash, then it isn't provably fair
3. if a site doesn't let the client set the client seed, then it isn't provably fair
4. publishing the server seed after you bet is the only time to publish it. if you publish it before, the player can cheat. but forcing it to be changed after every single bet makes verification too much work for the user. it's better to let the user decide when to change it.

As usual, NLNico's point were right, and I'm pretty much just repeating them.

yeah doog thanks for repeating nico's points.



doog have you tried the 0% edge? site looks nice . they should come out will info / would get them more players

There is absolutely no reason that you should be waiting to provide your cold storage wallet, other than some fishy excuse. Why are you waiting a few days to do something that would take 30-60 seconds? That's unreasonable and the only thing I can think of is that you're planning to make a runner with the deposited BTC.

Bug or something like it:
I betted at 71%, and it always gave me back 0,2 bits even if loss, now I cannot even call for faucet because it's not 0.

3 days has passed but the cold wallet address is still no where to be seen. What is taking you so long?

The fact that they're intentionally delaying giving out the cold storage wallet (well, there's no real valid reason for a delay) sets off massive alarm bells already. It's not exactly something that requires you to make lots of database queries and spend hours upon hours finding, is it?

I guess it's possible their 5 figure sum of BTC is split over 1000 different paper wallets, and it was going to take them 2 or 3 days to collect it all into a single address, but it's been long enough now that at least some kind of update would be useful.

Well, did you store JD's BTC cold storage over 1000 different paper wallets? ;) Perhaps in a very distant world that could be possible...but you'd think even then that they would have collected it all up before announcing their site or at least offered an explanation, right?

The 1st of June is rapidly approaching...let's see what happens!

Actually that "5 figure" seems like a typo..
Even if you have 999 coins, you can def. not offer "no maximum bet". Just-Dice used to have 100-200 coin bets like it was no big deal and even 20-30 coin bets would be too risky. But let's wait for the cold storage wallet and we can consider it from there.

I didn't mean to say that the first 3 points were bad. I meant to say that they do not seem to be consistent with using a script that has many accusations of backdoors in it. In my estimation someone with decent money would in fact make their own script from scratch (with some trusted opensource frameworks) or at least not base their site on -that- script. But if you do feel comfortable using that script, that's your choice I guess.

As emphasized by dooglus, this is absolutely not true. Your lack of knowledge about the provably fair mechanism is slightly concerning.



edit: I thought they had a max of 20 coin bets, but actually they have no limit in max bet - which is rather impossible "even" with a 3 figure bankroll.

That's gotta be a flat-out lie. Even mis-typing 1 digit off I would feel like it was a lie, but you don't accidentally claim that it was 5 figures and then backtrack when called out...

Lol, nope. You most certainly do not.

Zero house edge this is something unique, i am gonna try, lets see how its goes.

After having read all the comments I would say missing of cold wallet and unlimited betting option these two things are really very disturbing and illogical even after so much discussion.OP should make these valid points raised by various respected members clear and satisfy them as soon as possible.I will deposit a little after all will be settled down in fair and clear way.

sawdice is down at my side at the moment i am unable to access the website i am getting this message Error! Can't load active theme. is that only for me or anyone else having this problem to access the website or maybe that site has problem to load the theme to access there.

https://gp1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/802892/production_public/Artist/1396070/image/small/1358123472_HYPERSPEED.jpg

I wonder if this is just temporary, or if there is a legitimate issue with sawdice? I'm going to go out on a limb and guess there's been no official statement about it yet anywhere.

But coming so close to the deadline for them to prove their cold storages, and the end of the 0% house edge...eh...

There's clearly a legitimate issue with them... they have no limit on how much you can bet, but had admitted to having less than 1000 BTC available to pay out winners with.

So by their own admission they are happy to accept bets which they know in advance they have no way of paying out if you happen to win.

everyday getting closer to seeing if site is a scam or not




new crypto gambling site owners prey that dooglus doesnt check out their site and then post about it in thread.

as soon as dooglus does, the scammers knows it's over for them

if they were a scam i dont think they would give news about their website and problems they have

Thats not true in all cases. Dadice is a clear example of that. We can just wait and see what they change once they resume their site.

Why not? They almost never just say "OK, you were right, it was a scam". There are always vaguely plausible excuses: "a rogue employee deployed a nonce-skipper", "transaction maleability drained the cold wallets", "our site was hacked", etc. dice.ninja was the cleanest in that respect - they just disappeared one day and that was that.

I guess we shoulda seen that coming. Aren't ninjas known for silent entries and exits?  :0

I'm with you on this one dooglus, this site seems pretty sketchy.  I wouldn't deposit here.

Aaaaand.... it's gone.

403 No permission to access / and a 500 error.

No one completely removes the entire website "for bug fixes".

Every file is gone. Trying to hit standard links there results in a 403 error. Trying to load css files and images results in a 403 and 500 error.

Sawdice ran off with whatever it managed to steal.

And for reasons I'll never understand, here come the faithful supporters to tell me that hey, maybe it's legit, and they believe and blah blah blah.

In the words of the great Bugs Bunny... Thats's all folks!

Told you guys this would happen. It seems like they have simply wiped the entire server, you're damn right that you don't need to remove all files - or even take the website down like this at all - to perform bug fixes. Everyone called that this would happen, and it did. Whoopee-doo. Left negative feedback on the OP, let this be a lesson for anyone who got scammed by this.

its sad to see that they ran away with people money, i thought it had high potential on becoming one of the best dice sites, i guess their 0 house edge was to attract deposits only

looks like the site went scam in the time i didnt check this thread, shame too. this is exactly why people demand transparency and proof of solvency from gambling sites, I guess all eyes will be on dadice now; hopefully they wont disappear, they have a nicely designed site and a nice signature campaign going, there would be more to gain in the long run for them.

You are kidding right? I hope you mean this for sarcasm. There is no way a website that pirated a copyright from SAW could become one of the best site. Also that 0 % is crazy, people are building casino to get money not to be a charity so that player could gamble and win  :-\ :-\

And yet, somehow, 999dice, with it's .1% edge has supposedly made over 1000 BTC in profit, an increase of about +40%, in 3 months.

Yeah.

Seems legit.

I'm going to start soon, maybe tonight, a thread where the TRUST of casino's is reviewed. Lots of sites out there hawk the graphics and sparkly lights and the bullshit bonuses casinos' offer - no one goes hardcore into the most important aspect. Trust.

I've been doing it on the side for a while now. I think its time this community had something they could ACTUALLY trust.

Well, there is already my Overview of Popular Bitcoin Gambling Websites (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=927971) thread that I maintain, though I won't be able to update it too much this week. You might be wasting your efforts a little bit if you simply make a replica of that thread, as I'm soon going to update it to include the newer gambling websites that aren't currently on the list and I haven't had a chance to add yet.

Except, and not downplaying your work at all, most people do not understand just how these sites CAN cheat. You give a surface review, and rate some areas based on personal opinion. SatoshiDice has a "C+" for Trustworthiness, yet, that's not defined as to what it is. It's your general feeling about the site and how it's run.

I'm talking purely about cryptography and the code. You can have the most honest person in the world running the crappiest code, and lose your money. Or someone with piles of money and a great reputation and amazing communication and a top notch support staff, bonuses they pay out, issues that get fixed... and a really sneaky way to cheat that 99.9% of people would never notice. Or think to even look for.

See my other thread today? PocketDice, by all accounts, looks great. Except their provably fair, is not. I am in no way saying it's intentional - I am NOT saying they are cheating - but I am saying their system is not provably fair and if they wanted to, they COULD cheat.

Thats the list I want to publish. One written by a programmer first, gambler second, and a hardcore cryptography enthusiast who's also pretty decently well versed in probability and statistics. It's readily apparent we need it.

Any information about this now?

Yep the obvious information they have done a runner as expected and won't be coming back :-\ People was warned early so hopefully you guys never lost to much but who knows. Anyone have an address for them and know how much they got?  

someone must have made a particularly large deposit hoping to win big with the 0% edge, usually how it goes down with these scams. unfortunate, but it happens, more often than this community would like.

I've been thinking the same thing. I'm not really in a position to make such a list, since people would think I'm biased. But when I see people like these sawdice jokers knocking good provably fair systems for silly reasons like "the server seed doesn't change every roll" it makes me want to...

Those people, you won't ever change their minds. Go look at the bitcoinbetgames threads. The site is a MESS. Their provably fair system is horrific, the site contradicts itself, they claim they are using sha256 hashes, but they are 40 character sha1's that don't even hash out to sha1, and they zeroed out a players balance on the "suspicion" he "hacked" them after he apparently made a few big wins, and made claims that were completely contradicted by the player's posted screenshots. I called them out on ALL of it. They misquoted me, deflected 90% of my accusations, and changed the thread title.

EVERY - SINGLE - POST - since the dev replied saying they revamped their system so they will reveal their server seed every Sunday (WHAT?!) has been supportive, encouraging, and optimistic about how great the site is.

I expect my thread/reviews will help about 5% of the people who even bother to read it. The rest, the hopeful sheep who throw their faith into a toilet of a website, will not care. I know this. But hey, if I can save a few people the grief I went through, it' worth it.

Yes, sawdice idiots who think the site is still coming back, and who deposited money despite the 100 red flags, I'm talking to you.

Just FYI I am planning to do exactly that (rating provably fair implementations in transparent way) for dice sites. I really do hate the average review/overview site too since I know for a fact several sites even charge a fee for a (good) review and all reviews are very subjective anyway. That's also the reason why I started my site since it's completely based on numbers/stats and facts. The only thing I am planning to review is the provably fair implementation of all sites and truthfully I expect to have criticism for all sites, even popular ones (JD/PD and such are close to perfect tho :p but still got some small things :x)



I will probably not look at casino sites though TBH.

if next month a new dice site pops up and it's "Friday The 13th" themed site. we may know who it is.





im sick of scammers. hope no one got taken for a lot

Oh of course. Many of the current implementations of provably fair gambling mechanisms, more with general casinos e.g. with roulette than dicing though, are susceptible to a lot of exploits - many of which will still produce provably fair data. I assume you've seen this amazing post on /r/Bitcoin (http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1frm4x/provably_fair_by_bitzino_not_provable_with/) which talks about sending AJAX partials down from the server in order to compromise a game - and quite often - still be provably fair. Unfortunately not many people even bother to verify their bets, let alone go into that much detail looking for an exploit (and exploits such as the Stalling exploit are beautiful in that people will write it off as their own fault).

When it comes to dicing sites it's much less complex than that /r/Bitcoin post due to the nature of it, but people still fall flat. They just can't be bothered to do research.

BTW I do have a disclaimer that these are, mostly, my own personal opinions. That thread doesn't really go into detail on the provably fair mechanisms of the sites, that's definitely a place you could make a thread.

if he is an intelligent scammer he surely wont do the same theme, as most probably he reads the comments and he wont be so suspicious

i would be suspicious of any new site that comes along in the next month or so at the very least, especially if its a dice site, the scammer might just make a new dice site with the same script.

i highly doubt that someone after scamming so hard would take risks and use the very same dice script just use different pictures

as long as they are using a script that is common or being sold by the user that goes by the name of johnny then its already considered as a scam. I'm starting to get fed up with the forum.. scam after the another :(

Looks retarded but all the negative rep is scaring me away. Too bad though because I would have had a bunch of fun here.
Has anyone had any good results so far?

Pretty doubtful, they got something out of the site.

Pretty doubtful or maybe...

Does anyone know if its a scam for sure yet?

Looks like it. Too many red flags they couldn't explain away. By the way, you wouldn't be able to play anyway if you tried. The site has been down for days. Supposed to be them trying to fix the issues. But they probably won't come back.

Considering the state of the site and the owner's inactivity, they've probably gone for good, but nobody's actually mentioned losing any money to the site, so unless someone does, it's entirely possible this was just an incompetent dev giving up rather than a clear scam.

I'm not sure I would admit to having lost funds if I was silly enough to make a significant deposit after seeing so many warnings on this thread. It would be a little embarrassing for sure.

Well then you're just a weak man. There is nothing wrong with admitting to making a mistake.
We all have, no one is mistake proof.
lol.
I wish we were but we aren't.

This is quite disappointing, I think this should be taken as a wake up call to not trust very newly built website with huge amount of money and since some people are not investing any more in Ponzi/HYIP schemes, this is their new policy, grab a cheap domain/script and make a new gambling site with free dice script or something else.

And people will start rolling there without giving it a second though and once the site has enough deposits, just shut it up, grab the money and start another project. Thankfully I didn't deposit anything in it because of being busy. But I would suggest others to not deposit big amount of BTC in fresh sites, although this would affect the legit sites but this is how it has to be until a site is considered safe.

the distrust drama happened with the DaDice release, maybe people got lax with this one coming out. This is also why many people ask for a no deposit bonus of some sort to test the site and prove its legitimacy.

The distrust drama began during the time of dicebitco.in and diceninja. I dont think that people are lax coz I didn't saw any complaints in these thread of deposits and withdrawals..

No people ask for a no deposit bonus threw greed, How are you going to test the "legitimacy" of a site with free funds? It is not possible you don't no a sites legitimacy until nice deposits start rolling and and they are in control 10's or 100's to thousands of coin, every scammer has their bail out target. Very few people can hold back the temptation of turning to the darkside when in control of life changing money. This worked because of the 0% fee the theme and human nature Greed. Dadice is only a recent development, distrust happened long before them,

maybe I misworded; I meant there was a lot of distrust of DaDice when they released, and the distrust just didnt seem as apparent in this thread.

Personally the first time I checked this site my conclusion (that I posted) was:
But perhaps it was enough to add neg trust already. I was planning to at least do so after few days waiting for cold storage.

And dooglus was the one starting to ask about the unlimited max bet amount. And someone else asking for BR proof. So overall I think this site would have lasted longer without the community asking questions.

I found this thread now .. First Post 0% house edge .. first thought - suspiciously, first check the last page .. and what I see: a scam. Unfortunately, nothing new ..

How could they, you took the entire site offline. Dumbass.

well isnt this an interesting development

Some people made to fast prejudice, but... consider you were gone like 5 days, people got suspicious.

Well see what future brings.

This is just stupid that you are even slightly surprised. Let people have their money

You have ruined your reputation, launching a site thats not properly working and you've claimed that you own a bank roll that can rival PD.. so, its your fault for raising some suspicious behavior.. don't blame the people, blame your own action..

could have at the very least put up a "under maintenance" page up while the site was down, that was probably a big tip off for people to be suspicious, but i think people wouldve called it a scam regardless.

the script that they're using made me already suspicious its not built from scratch, hackers can easily milk it out..

It's good that you're still communicating but when you took the site completely offline you should have atleast put up some sort of message on the front page explaining things, this is what other responsible sites do. And I don't know whether your site had people's deposits when you went offline but if you did, you should have also put in with that message explaining that all funds are intact and if someone wants to withdraw anything while the site is offline they can email with their username and a signed message from one of the address they used to deposit the funds into their account.

This would have shown that the site is trustworthy and would have kept people from speculating.

Did this happen yet? It has been 10 days since you wrote that.

i think so when they went offline without any communication that made it more complicated for players to keep trust on it, they have to explain what is the reason of this suddenly went to offline, if they have valid reason for this than they can grow their business with good ways.

You are right but complicated is an understatement here is no redemption here imo, what they done was easily avoided with a simple post on the day of going offline with the of refunds before. Even if they show cold storage which they won't what does it matter, I would not trust them and anyone that does is asking for trouble.

yeah, theres already plenty of well established and trusted dice sites in this industry already, after an incident like this I doubt they can make a comeback and earn people' trust. If they do, its going to take a lot of advertising and time.

Okay, so what about the cold storage verification you were supposed to provide? You've still failed to provide any proof of that and you're currently just under a week late on it. Even if your website is down, you should still be able to provide proof of your cold storage - so what is causing the delay, may I ask?

Agreed, there is no reason for the delay in proof of cold storage; simply posting a signed address on here should suffice. You don't need a working site to do that, just the wallet that holds your site's funds.

A lot of doubt should disappear when this is done.

Okay then, that's your choice. My negative feedback will be staying on until you actually verify your cold storage, as by now it just reeks of untrustworthiness. There is absolutely zero reason you should still be withholding it when all you have to do is sign a message, the website being down does not prevent you from doing that. Unless you're extremely lazy.

I don't understand the need to lie and say you are going to do something and not do it  ??? Few more days and we hear nothing, if I am honest that is not really to much of a surprise but what is curious is you say that you will verify your cold storage address when you won't. Why not just say no instead of the pretence, anyway hopefully there isn't much players playing at sawdice because you are acting shady.

Like I said the thing that is making you look like you are planning a scam is not keeping to your word about showing cold storage. If you did manage to keep to your word and prove you own the funds you claim then that would be a good start. Intentions from most people here is to find the truth and get the truth to minimise any potential losses anyone might have. Why is a signed message taking so long? You could just be honest and say you don't own what you claimed to have.

as stated earlier, you dont need a working dice site to prove your cold wallet funds. my negative feedback will be staying until a signed message is provided as well. It takes around 15 seconds to make a signed message with today's date on it, I think you can spare 15 seconds from "fixing your site" to prove to everyone you arent a scam.

That's good to hear and that'll be good to see.  It's unforunate that there's been so many scams that people have to be cautious about giving negative reputation---however, given the history here, it makes sense.  Nevertheless, I, for one, will be happy to see you clear your name if you're really providing a legit service.

Start did not work out. If even now you do everything as it should be, it will be very difficult to rebuild trust.

It certainly will be a good lesson for all those who think run such a service.

It is approximately 45 minutes away from "tomorrow by this time", and the cold storage wallet has still not been provided on this thread. I'm starting to wonder if you're ever going to actually come up with it at this point, as you've delayed it, and delayed it, and delayed it.

and there goes any future trust you might have. it might be better to just refund anyone who deposited and try again with another dice site, with this new delay I dont see any hope of trust for your site.

What's the delay in providing the cold storage wallet?

Why do you keep delaying it?

I understand if you're having trouble getting the site to work properly, but signing a message should be easy enough.

It's a single command, and costs nothing to do:

Well, I got this PM a lil' while ago:


Clearly something extra-important has come up to prevent them from being able to type a command, and being able to say why they can't type the command...

2 days is quite a long time to sign a message. at this point no one has doubts that your site will never be back, regardless of your intentions.

I want to say that I know nothing of the internal structure of this organization, and I've never played there.  But I think you guys aren't being completely fair when you're getting all sarcastic about typing commands.  I use GNU/Linux and bitcoin core and I understand what a terminal emulator is and cetera.  However, it may very well be the case that the person who is representing sawdice here knows literally nothing about this.  This person may have a background in graphic design, or who knows what.  You can't just say "type a command" to the average guy on the street and expect that s/he knows how to parse what you're saying.  Consider, your example just says type a command, it doesn't specify "on a system running bitcoind",in CMD or windows, or at a terminal emulator on a standard computer;  it doesn't say what to do with the $ (do you type it or not?).  Yes, I know the answers to these questions, but my point is that not everyone does.  It's completely plausible that the person who's representing sawdice to the outside world knows very little about how bitcoins are stored and transferred.  What's more, if that cold-storage address is indeed in cold storage, then it might not be imported into any computer that's accessible easily.  Further, the person on here may not even speak English all that well.  Imagine if you ended up with a job where people were asking you to perform technical tasks which aren't your job to do in a language you only partly understand.

Listen, guys, I know there have been all kinds of troubles and scams and shady characters and of course that history has it's impact on how we see the world today.  I just want to encourage you guys to try to give people a bit more of the benefit-of-the-doubt until there isn't a doubt.  When every potentially problematic action becomes license for a public lynching, it's a bit of a sad state of affairs for people who have shown up with an open mind to learn, IMO.

Anyway, that's my opinion.  nb4flametrolls: I am not defending the actions of sawdice and please don't construe my words as doing so.  I'm merely trying to provide some constructive criticism for some trusted members here who could, perhaps, imo, be a little more gentle with their requests---and, if you really want to give technical instructions, it's important to fill in a bit of background.

^ Don't disagree completely with you. But there are a few problems with what you said.


Some situations can drag on forever if people let them. It's better to pressure the site to solve the problems immediately than allow it to run and players deposit there and maybe be scammed in the end.


Can't imagine there are a lot of people working on the site. But it's hard to imagine they were able to put everything together and not know such basic things. And not spending 5 minutes online searching how it works first. But if they really have those problems it would be easier to say so, and ask for help. Through pm if needed or in another thread. Instead they just keep on delaying and making it look worse.

I'm not sure I would take a job where my primary responsibility would be talking to people in a language I didn't know.

If I was asked to perform a task I wasn't capable of, I would reply saying that I didn't know how to do it, and that I would attempt to get in touch with the appropriate person. I wouldn't keep promising to do it "in two days", "by this time tomorrow", "next week", etc. and then not doing it. That would make the company I was representing look bad.

I expect the reason they won't show us their cold storage is because they don't have it in place yet. Maybe they're intending to buy some coins and it's taking longer than expect to get it all in place, but then why not say that rather than giving us this bullshit "by this time tomorrow" line? I think all we're asking for is a little transparency. What's going on? What's the hold up here?

Right, but this assumes that you understand the nature of the request.  If you were in a mentality of trying to keep a good face for your company (say you're the best English-speaker in the group, but you're still not a good one) and you weren't sure if admitting that you didn't know how to do X would make you look better or worse, you might obfuscate to avoid the situation.
My caveat aside, I basically agree with everything you just said, dooglus.  I guess my main point above was that when you write things out like this, it seems helpful and beneficial to the discussion, when things get sarcastic and snooty, less so.  Hopefully these guys can get their act together.  I'm curious whether they owe anyone any money.  As was said on an earlier, it might be embarrasing to admit that you had left money deposited on sawdice, but that seems like a more crucial point to me than them proving their cold-storage.  Ie, did they actually take anyone's money that they need to pay back?  Maybe no one deposited anything, I dunno.

I'm perturbed. You just funded that. Which means that prior to yesterday, you did not have a cold wallet at all. That also leads me to consider you probably haven't secured the cold wallet properly.

You also claimed to have 4-figures of BTC before, then 3-figures. That cold wallet barely comes to 100 BTC.

I will hold my promise though, and remove the negative trust.

First of all, good that you like to improve your site.

Technically the cold wallet address is not yet proven. You should sign a message with it so others can verify it. It would be rather foolish to give a random address, so I do think it is from you, still would be better.

Besides that, with a 0.5% HE you are risking at 40x kelly with that max payout with a 100 BTC bankroll. Basically a highroller can easily win more than 100 coins and it seems that you cannot pay him out then. That would be obviously bad. IMO you should be offering around 0.25-0.5 BTC max payout dynamically based on the bankroll. Basically: [0.5x or 1x] * [house edge] * [bankroll]. I am not an expert in kelly criterion and/or risk of ruin theory, but pretty sure that is the practical side of it.

The provably fair implementation seems a lot better, but is unfortunately not really good yet. Since I would repeat myself from another thread I will just copy this here:
To give a practical example of how you (as site owner) could cheat: if a player is always betting 2x at high. You could generate a serverseed that has relatively a lot of low numbers based on the clientseed that you already got. Or some players like to bet at 9900x multipliers, you could easily generate a serverseed that doesn't hit that (in first hundred thousand bets.)

I know that might seem silly, but technically it could be possible and it is a reason why the implementation is not yet really good.



Besides that I only had a quick look so not sure if I missed something.

so it means they technically flaws in provably fair system and that is clear they can easily cheat to players with false generate serverseed as i feel like that, they dont implement the true provably fair system? 

Never thought there was going to be any kind of cold storage, but it seems there is and you have shown there is a possibility but that is not 100% yet as you have not signed the message from the address you claim to control. Well done on turning it around and doing what is needed to give you a better chance at breaking a very competitive market with many top dice sites. Good luck..

AFAIK to label something on Blockchain.info you must have it in your wallet...but yeah, you should still sign a message with the cold storage.

Curious, though - are you actually holding the 100 BTC in cold storage, or just on Blockchain.info?

fuck it, props on the turn around, i'll give you a chance with 0.1btc
tx. 2a3574c71e35607a295f3cd7cc4a61fad953d52f7bd8f330d764012c56877d41

hope i dont regret this

Looks like there is some rounding issue. I made a throwaway account and lost a bet (Bet ID: 141770) of 0.00000500 but the profit is shown as -0.00000501.
It is not a big deal, but you should fix it when you have time.

I have two confrimations, not showing up in my balance, not showing up in pending deposits. WTF. Fix this now.

Yes i refreshed page, yes i clicked refresh button. ffs

http://s27.postimg.org/w2l1v55b7/Untitled111111111.jpg


lol, i wasnt expecting to withdraw anything, but this is just too much to let go :D

great game, very responsive

"Cannot withdraw this amount at the moment please try again later or contact the support team."

pls process withdrawal. i requested 11.5 btc to 1EaNG5BGQBbCBe74Y9WNgUJWNDECkZX11N.

I will leave this here for everyone to be able to check if youve sent it.

Well done yoloer nice job ;) so you turned 0.1btc into 11.5btc for roll dice there so you have your lucky day so let us see how withdraw goes as i think they have enough funds into their wallet to process your withdraw request, OP shows an address labeled sawdice cold storage with 99.99btc, good luck OP and congratz to lucky player. ;D

thanks. yeah its insane.

to be honest i just wanted to show support to a new site because i really liked how they've admitted that they messed up, cleaned up their act and then came back.

I was just degen betting, but after those two last bets my balance was just too large, had to stop :D

at least this will be definitive proof of their solvency.

You change the serverseed after they input their own clientseed. This makes the clientseed useless since you already know it when creating the serverseed. If someone is betting 9900x multiplier and inserts "imtheking" as clientseed, you can simply loop quickly a ton of serverseeds to see which one will make them not hit easily with that client+serverseed combination. I am not saying you are doing this, just that it's a possibility and therefor not the ideal provably fair implementation. Please re-read what I said in the previous reply for more details.

Daym, Nice win.. lets see how it goes from now, I hope they pay you up coz its time for them to prove that they have the money to stay for awhile :)

this can be solved simply by allowing the player to change the client seed at any time without changing the serverseed (which he does not see, only the hash is visible)...

thanks. im a bit worried that i will not get paid, but we will see i guess

soemthing weird is happening with the withdrawal. tried to withdraw smaller sums to 1MDNgu9sWL5Rq8fErmjPaS6b1HZnKW2vf5. I was able to withdraw 0.6, but then i tried to withdraw 0.5 and the site said i am withdrawing too often - NO WITHDRAWAL WAS SENT, BUT MY BALANCE DECREASED. pls look into this. my balance now should be 12.28 btc, but it says 11.38.

I would also like to reiterate my request to withdraw 11.5 btc to 1EaNG5BGQBbCBe74Y9WNgUJWNDECkZX11N.

Ive also sent this message from the email ive registered my sawdice account, so there can be no question about my identity (yoloer808 on sawdice is yoloer808 on btctalk)

everyone is now looking for this withdrawal to be confirmed; with that shaky start, if this withdrawal doesnt go through, and the balance problem solved, this site might as well be done. removed negative feedback as well for showing funds, but the < 100 BTC is nowhere near your initial claim.

Congrats dude you made sawdice in great shock and they are still in that condition, that is unexpected win for them but it's weird they went silent after this post and no statement from them how they will deal this withdraw request.

This is a test case for sawdice's legitimacy and will decide if sawdice is real thing or was trying to collect as many Bitcoin as could before anybody hits the big amount.It is quite possible that OP was not thinking of this win can take place so quickly.May be he is preparing to release the funds to the winner in coming hours.

Stunning win of nice amount , hopefully admin of sawdice will come out with announcement of releasing the payout to the winner.This can be great opportunity for sawdice to cash it as this will make huge and best publicity that sawdice is legit site and will release any amount in future in case of winning by anyone.All eyes are on the OP right now.

hopefully. it wont take a few days to process the withdrawal, im still skeptical as there still is no signed message from that address.

havent got any reply for op yet and he has since been online, but the site is still up so im hopefull :)

Hopefully you receive your withdrawal, that was a nice win 0.1btc to 12+btc  :D OP can either pay and continue or prove the site is not holding to their end of the deal and do a runner prematurely. Be a nice redemption if you get paid imo few seconds after me you have your answer. Well done to you both..

thank you, i understand completely.

please see my comment about the balance problems, as i believe i should have 0.9btc more in my account, due to when i was trying to withdraw lower sums and the system told me i was withdrawing too often. the withdrawal was not processed, nor did i make any further bets.

im glad youre taking this like a professional, wish you all the best.

DC, but what's wrong with holding money in fiat?  Having a big bankroll is having a big bankroll and if you're worried about how they secured their bitcoin wallet, perhaps they were actually safer when their money was in a traditional bank (FDIC in USA, or whatever equivalent).  Anyway, I agree that they should sign a message from the address.  Just suggesting that these guys seem to be step-by-step, doing the right thing, and this situation, as it stand now, is much better than things looked a few days ago when everyone assumed they were long gone.

Looking forward to hearing back from yoler that he got he withdrawal.

If this became a standard to hold money in fiat, many sites would start to claim offline funds allowing for higher maximum bets.

BalloonBit did this and then there were many complications because they could not afford to pay out or at least delayed it until they could.  This isn't good practice.  Sites should be able to access funds and pay right away.  Having a transparent cold wallet address provides proof of funds and solvency. 

I second you funds must not be held by the sites owners in case of hitting big prizes.The concept of playing with Bitcoin and other digital coins is to deposit/withdrawals take place in no time.This is coming more and more to see the beholding of funds on name of different excuses.Yoloer did you receive your prize ? Please share the news with us after receive the funds.

It is good to see OP is good listener and is very open to adopt suggestions.We can understand the timely unexpected issues sometimes interrupt some functions and then delays happen.What I like most is what OP stated in future all deposits and withdrawal will be instant and site will be more stable with minimum issues.Hopefully in few hours the funds will be released to the winner as fixing is done.

What's the delay now? It has been over 24 hours and the requested withdrawal still hasn't been made. 19 hours ago you said it would take "few hours".

Dude someone won 11.5 BTC at your dice site. first thing you should do his pay him and then use that win for marketing. if i was that guy i would be posting every hour here till paid.





off topic: saw 2 was best one

i actually won 12.8, put in a withdrawal request for 11.5 only...

i didnt want to pressure OP as i understand they might want to check that everything is ok and that it can take some time to get the money from cold storage, but im starting to get sceptical that ill see any of it... i dont really understand what the problem could be, apart from the fact that they may not actually own that 100btc address.

I HEREBY CONFIRM I HAVE RECEIVED THE 11.5BTC WITHDRAWAL

edit: OP, my site balance is 0, but as i have mentioned in the comments above, i should have approx 0.8btc left (due to withdrawals that did not go through but decreased my balance..), please look into it.

oh wow do you have a proof of the transaction? also i take back my words that it thout the owner ran away with money

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OP, my site balance is 0, but as i have mentioned in the comments above, i should have approx 0.8btc left (due to withdrawals that did not go through but decreased my balance..), please look into it.

Sent u a PM with the details.

Note : we edited the provable fair system by adding "request new server seed" button.

That is a brilliant win from a new site which had a very rocky start, you turned 0.1btc into 12.8btc! Withdrawn 11.5btc, this is the best dice turn around on a new site I have seen for awhile well done to you and the OP for paying out. Looks good admin.

Congratulations to the winner for 12.8BTC and the OP to release the funds.There proves that this site is legit and pays off the winning amount.I will try there too to see what happens.

I don't agree with you guys here. At least not completely.  The erstwhile sealswithclubs.eu always processed withdrawals manually and they did so as an added layer of security.  It's not clear to me that the only point of bitcoin is instaneousness.  I agree that instant stuff is fun and beautiful and enjoyable, but I'd put security above those adjectives in my own ranking.

BTW, congrats to yoder and @sawdice, I hope people start being a little nicer to you soon.  Seems like you're doing your best here.

I did take some b*llz to keep going past the 2-3-5btc that is not a small amount of money at the end of the day is it and from a $20'ish' investment he done awesome, but as I said you to done brilliant and have gave your site a good look threw your fairness and decency. I will be playing here on the odd occasion I'm feeling lucky and want to win a quick 10+bitcoin for my 0.1btc stake   :D

@sawdice, I think it's not so polite to bold everything in every post.  Just sayin'

Otherwise, thanks for the clarifications.

oh nice they are such a new website and paid out 12 bitcoins to one player, also thats a really nice x100 win

Never thought of it this way, but you got a point.

see there you go i think my post helped speed up your withdraw.


if you want to say thanks, 8)

BTC addy

14z9L4M1DT7p9YEPMA8toLVvy4Q3p95r2H



this is what i do. i get people paid.

Hello OP fix the deposit page when i clicked on it to get address for make some deposit it went crazy still on loading and does not showing me any address for deposit there, 0.5% house edge is nice after get fixing this issue i will try mu luck there to make some profit.

https://i.imgur.com/D6qXDWW.png

i see it's working fine try refreshing the page.

It's all working fine for me. Love the game btw, great graphics.

we are sorry for this problem it happens because the blockchain.info RPC API is down at the moment once they fix their API the funds will be added automatically to your account

hi. i dont mean to sound like im ungrateful, but please consult your logs about the exact transactions associated with my account.

as you can see from my original screenshot, i had 12.8 in my balance. i withdrew 0.1 and 0.5 from the hot wallet and then you sent me 11.5. This leaves 0.7 in my account, but my balance is 0.

Even if my initial deposit was counted twice (as you've mentioned in your pm), i should still have at least 0.6 btc in my account.

Look forward to hearing from you.

We verified your logs and yes you were right, and we added your 0.6 BTC to your balance and you may withdraw them anytime you want.

can anyone confirm deposits are now showing up? i was about to take a shot on the site but i seen above someone was having issues with his depo crediting. i dont wanna go 13 confirmations with 0 also

blockchain.info RPC API was down but it's working fine now and all delayed deposits are already been processed automatically.

ive been playing a little and i noticed this earlier. my base bet is 57 sats as youll see and when i lose its taking 58sats from me? pretty sure thats not supposed to happen.


https://talkimg.com/images/2023/06/07/wltEv.jpeg

Could it be some kind of rounding error on the multiplier?  I admit, it looks like an error to me too.

There shouldn't be any multiplier applied - when you lose, you lose 100% of your stake. But it does look like a floating point rounding error.

you would know better than most of us, all i know is its a bug that needs fixed. and it wasnt just on 1 bet it was multiple bets which can be verified by saw dice admin when they log in. all they gotta do is check the bet history on the account

58 is  just a display error it was because the browser did a rounding to the nearest 8 decimal places but it was 57 in the bet calculations and this view problem is fixed now and to be more sure you can recheck the bet id and the server seed and client seed with the verify system on the site and u will see it as 57 not 58

Thank you!

I would just like to state publicly that i have been able to withdraw the additional 0.6 (apart from the 11.5 that ive been sent), and that the OP has been completely professional about the whole process. I will trust this site with my bitcoins again.

That's what I was thinking too!@yahoo62278, if this is fixed correctly, it seems like your balance should have changed as well.

@sawdice, probably best to move your code to calculate with Satoshis as the base unit---that's what all the bitcoin wallets I've looked at do under the hood.  Obviously you'll still need to represent sometimes as a float because of your floating point multipliers, but if Satoshis are the unit, you shouldn't be having issues of a browser rounding you to the nearest one like you're seeing here.

i cant deposit

its seems that the blockchain.info RPC API goes down again , it should not take long for them to fix it ... this problem happens yesterday they fix it few hours later .
also we are working to setup our own RPC soon so we will not relay on the blockchain.info API

Omg it is based off of the saw movie

Indeed!  I'm wondering if that name is going to hinder their growth in the future---I mean if they were to get really big, it seems like they might risk trademark violations.  If they stay small, obviously it won't matter, but then again, they'd be small.

i think this site is going to stay small, there are plenty of more established, already popular dice sites (PD, 999dice, etc), i dont think theres much room to come into the market here especially with that copyright limiting the future of the site.

if there's no new challengers in the industry it will stuck dead, counting only on existing won't do any favor to the gambling business.
copyrights is not the most serious problem facing the bitcoin dice sites but i do not think we break any copyright and  if we find that the name or  the theme make any problems for us in the future we can change it or re brand it in the worst scenario which is not a big deal too

FWIW, it's more likely trademark violations than copyright, in your case.  I agree that at the moment you don't have to worry but, in my opinion, it does make your sight seem like a fly-by-night kinda thing.  Maybe you should consider a rebrand.

deposited a bit to play on late this morning and the site is experiencing some difficulties or something. deposit isnt showing upand it has currently 2 confirmations. really disappointing when someone tries to use a service thats not working.

https://blockchain.info/tx/8c48e55527296fe4276d3c7bde879ee761a3e6737d056d3daa9eba97bf347672

dude i cant deposit restart your server or something

fuck lol another one

http://s24.postimg.org/912mdoxr9/AAAUntitled.jpg

I was just about about to post this, I saw it live. Was that you??? Now I really feel bad for OP, you should consider setting a lower max win, this is unsustainable..

Congrats to the winner.

OP, I would suggest you to do some research about Kelly formula.
The site cold wallet has only 88.5 btc at the moment, so the site bankroll should be a bit over that. Considering your site has 1% edge, you are now doing more than 10x Kelly.

lol yeah i wish.. no i couldnt manage to get the deposit working so i just fuck around with the faucet sometimes. it would literaly blow my mind if i won that ;DDDD

my deposit finally came 5 hours later but i sure wasnt as lucky as that guy. lost mine in 10 minutes

i still cant see my deposti adress how did you solve this?


i really want to try my luck

did you try refreshing after 5 mins i would suggest clearing cache but i dont know what is stored there maybe details about your session etc which might be usefull... you could ask support if you like...

This is exactly what you should do, OP. Since your bankroll is now effectively about 80btc, you can't offer a 20btc max win - this will ruin you in no time. If you want to boost your max win, you may want to open the bankroll up for investments - I think your credibility is pretty solid on this forum now.

Hello, i'm actually the guy who won. Im having trouble withdrawing, says I should contact support but I dont see any function to do that, and the chat is dead.

@sawdice: how do i proceed?

lol proof?

What proof? Here is my account, i dont know how i could otherwise prove anything..

http://i62.tinypic.com/20t5v14.jpg

Wow, I cant believe it..the second big winning in a new dice site . First was 11.x btc and now 9.x btc..the house should be in negative right now :)
Actually there is a function to contact them in the left bottom of the page, it will direct you to outlook email service. And their contact support email is support@sawdice.com
Hope this help you, and congrats on your winning.

I CANT LOGIN TO MY ACCOUNT. SAYS WRONG PASSWORD. IM SURE IT IS THE CORRECT ONE. WTF IS GOING ON??? ??? ??? ??? >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

We are viewing your logs and if everything is fine withdrawal request will be processed in few hours.

post youre adress here. it worked for yoloer:

ok, i submitted my withdrawal to their site to the address https://blockchain.info/address/14832LNaukHq3N8rGyC5xeGBR7YadwSp7G

I think it was 9.6btc but i cant get into my account to see now  :-\

Dude, chill. These guys are legit, they paid me out 12+ btc in a matter of hours, just be patient.

yes they will pay.

i mean unless you are a hacker!!  :o

:DD just kidding

i just dont know understand why my password isnt working  ???

Perhaps they are locking your account for the moment to check your logs data. It will be harder for them to check your logs if you keep on logging in and  playing at the website. This is very standard operational procedure for most sites especially when it is about a very big withdrawal amount,you can just wait until it finish

Wow, sawdice is probably going to want to:

1) refill that cold storage address
2) maybe lower stakes and max bet?!

These guys are getting hammered by the winners---but hey, congrats to the winners.  

@James1999, you'll be fine, they paid yoler, I'm sure they'll pay you too.  Lol, in the meantime while sawdust is checking your winnings, why don't you go win some more at another dice site? I recommend "dadice" :)

Yeh, OP, re-read this: :P :X

I doubt they have more than that because if they do they will probably have put all of it into the cold wallet


Lowering the max payout based on kelly criterion


This one seems to be a different case with yoloer. Judging from the screenshot at the previous page, I could see that indeed thats a very risky bet risking 0.1 BTC for 98x multiplier and normally people wouldnt do it because the risk are pretty much high.
 
Also the fact that this site is using a coindice script which has a lot of accusation due to that alot of site claimed that they lost alot using this script . I would say that this guy could know on how to "win" here or atleast use a known exploit or so

P.S : Someone told me how this could be done but Id rather not spill out any name for this

Another reason is that this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=948128.msg10384052#msg10384052

Not much of a proof but someone risking 0.1 BTC for a 98x multiplier would not be lurking around for 10k satoshi though

P.S : I could be wrong on this

We have no idea if they have more fiat.  Sawdice may be run by the wild-child son of a millionaire,  who knows?!Yes that's what I'm saying
Everything you said is very interesting indeed.  If someone knows how to cheat that coindice script then, wow, sawdice is in trouble.  Also, you're right that it's strange that someone who is betting 0.1s is asking for 10KSat, but it's not totally impossible.  I, for example, recently got caught up and lost a lot of BTC gambling on a site where I usually only bet very small.  Every once in a while, you can get caught up in the moment and either win big or lose big.  That's definitely not unheard of.

There has been alot of accusations towards coindice script and if this is another bug / exploit then this is not a new story indeed. Also that since it is a newbie account, I would say that this could be an alt account judging from the posting gap. (someone seems to find a new target that use a coindice script and post using his alt account) .  Also that if you are bold enough to risk 0.1 BTC for 98x , I guess you wouldnt even care about dust giveaway anymore especially when it is only 10k satoshi

Well I would say that this James guy seem to "know" that he will hit a 98x payout already . However I got no proof regarding it and all of this will be my speculation on this because it doesnt seem natural for me

P.S : I do hope this served as a lesson for sawdice to lower your max payout also that if he is indeed legit then I would like to apologize for this baseless accusation

while i resent your accusations, i can somewhat understand where you are coming from.

to be honest the reason behind that 10k sat post and many others is much more simple. i mainly just lurk on forums. a while ago i had an idea that i would launch my own site (doesnt matter what kind). i thought it would be a good idea to have an account that had a higher activity etc. to seem more legit. so i registered this account and started to make shit posts. the site idea went down the drain and i lost interest. however, i have no other account, it is only now that i needed one (as i am locked out of my account at sawdice and cant contact the owner otherwise).

it was a dumb idea to begin with as an acount with shit posts isnt worth shit, but thats not teh point here

anyway, i have more than enought btc, i usually gamble on prc or pd. i have an account on pd with numberous 10+ btc 50% bets and much more in withdrawals. in an extreme case i could verify myself with this account and stunnas help, but i dont feel any obligation to. i did NOT cheat, i did not HACK, i basically just deposited and played a few times because i like to try out new sites once in a while.

and i DO want may cashout! (still waiting, taking your sweet time?)

I think we all need to take a step back. I'm sure no one meant to offend you James, you don't need to explain yourself to us.

Sawdice is a new site, they dont have a security track record and they obviously want to play it safe, especially when they are to pay out a chunk of their bankroll. I am certain that once they validate your rolls you will be paid out. They have already invested a lot in building their budding reputation in the bitcoin world just to blow it all away for 9btc. Hold on like I did, they will send the money soon. Since you've posted the address here we can all see if and when they pay you out. Trust me, unless you've really manipulated their system somehow and they can prove it (Not saying you did), then they most certainly will pay you - it doesn't make business sense not to.

Seriously , I do mean no offend to yourself as I am just stating a baseless accusation like I said due to that this site is using a coindice script which has several accusation from few people regarding that someone coming and won big from the site causing the owner to lose alot (you can check on this in scam accusation ).

You dont need to verify yourself as it doesnt mean anything to me anyway and you will get your BTC if sawdice has verified that your roll are legit. Anyway I have apologize beforehand if you are indeed legit though

I just don't trust websites with coindice scrypts, even if they are reviewed and checked 100 times.
More work with filling this code full of holes than creating new one from scratch. Just my opinion.

@arallmuus, I don't think it was a baseless accusation, it was a good observation and a question---what's up with this?  James has answered it and it's al good.  There's a big difference between drawing attention to something that looks weird and flipping out about it.  You were very respectful in pointing out the incongruity of betting 0.1BTC many times and taking 10kSat giveaways, and James was right to explain it.

Now the drama of the waiting to see what happens with the sawdice investigations.

@P.S: you're totally right that sawdice needs to drop their stakes before they get into trouble.

I have had no issues here so far. Made a few bits and I'll continue using this site till then turn bad.

been 11 hours still waiting for cashout

It's one thing if it takes them 11 hours to look over stuff, but it's a completely different story if they're not communicating with you about it.  FWIW, I would think the professional thing to do here would be to request an email from you (if you haven't already given them one) so that they can at least explain what the hold-up is, if any.  There could be a good reason for an 11 hour cashout---I mean imagine if you're in a particular timezone you might need to sleep for a number of hours and then looking into this might take a few more hours.  But the lame thing is not communicating it.  That's my 2 satoshi's.

Sawdice, step up the game and tell the man what's happening!

I really hate hate the horror genre and the saw movies but I may give it a go if the 0 percent house edge is still in place.  Lower than 1 percent house edge (like Rollin.io dice featured in my signature) is a big draw for me to a dice site.  At rollin.io you have to gamble a bit to lower the house edge but it is better than nothing.  Most dice sites have no feature like this and have their edge at a fixed rate.

Since your username here is not the same username registered on the site, we will withdraw to the last address you used to withdraw from the site which is :

https://blockchain.info/address/1HyukyLvqzi6SEniLQTB7pB1TYdAPLEtM4

you can login to your account now, please confirm here that this is your address so we can avoid any conflict.

i confirm this is ok. if necessary i can also sign a message from my depositing address or the one you quoted

i agree that you can process the withdrawal of my balance to the quoted address

Well, I am really glad this has all been solved.

Two jackpot winners so far, I suggest you decrease your max payout value first OP, before your cold wallet turns to zero in a few weeks.

nothing has been solved. i still didnt get my withdrawal,, i am waiting for more than 24hours. stop kidding around sawdice, you have had time, this is really unprofessional

Interested to see another winner who won good amount from this site but still wonder why the withdraw is not instant there, that kind of delay to process the withdraw amount make worried big rollers to make big deposit there and roll high there, implement the auto withdrawal system and make sure the your hot wallet amount to able the process this.

AFAIK, most bitcoin casino will implement manual withdraw for big amount for security reason. In this case, sawdice need to investigate whether his winning is fair or not especially because they use coindice script that has a well-known issue of it's weird bugs. If they implement automatic withdraw and put all their bankroll in the hot wallet, I'm sure they will bankrupt in few days.. :)

I deposited twice and haven't got then and confirmed and its been 5hours

Not only that but indeed it is a very good practice for the house to keep most of the bankroll in cold wallet. With that, it is not possible to process an automatic withdrawal when the amount is bigger than the hot wallet size.

I agree, it looks like James is just the kind of customer you want to keep happy (dropping a huge series of .1BTC bets on 98x payout!).   After this experience, I imagine James is gonna take his action elsewhere (check out my sig :)).   But seriously, sawdice seems like they have a good heart but are in over their heads.

Just in couple of days another player has hit the jackpot and sooner will get paid his prize.Sawdice is going to be huge and most famous even in its early days if in next couple of days there will be no such big winnings else its house will be in negative.This is unbelievable to see two big prizes one after other.

It is, I'm lucky to be a part of this. So far I have won over 1 btc.
I feel like a king.

The house was already on negative profit few days ago when Yoloers managed to get a 12+ BTC profit . The negative profit indeed is a good thing for a new site, this would serve as a publicity that the house is legit and could be a signal for more rollers to try their luck on this site.
However, If OP hasnt considered to lower the max payout amount yet after this two big winning then it will be extremely dangerous for him ( high chance that he might lose 70 % of his cold wallet , not to mention that he use a coindice script)

this is getting absurd. i am still waiting for my withdrawal. a day and a half. and this is after you confirmed you are going to send me the money in this thread. whats the deal? what kind of image are you trying to have?

Sawdice is always taking much long time to process the big withdrawal request but that is much worried situation when they are still silent for this issue, i feel sawdice has much luck for players who want to high roll but you must fast the withdrawal process speed to get trust from the players and encourage them for play there.

do you guys think they will run away?  >:(

I dont think they will run away because they have implemented some good things to their site and improve the quality of this site by new provably fair system but i dont know why they are taking so long time in that case, i think they are checking their system and status of your bets to make sure it was fair and i hope you will get paid.

i understood that they want to be safe, but they a) had lots of time and b) have already said that they will send the bitcoins:


so i dont understand what the holdup is. i dont have time to check this thread all day, but i will not let this go.

don't worry, i know there are alot of people here closely watching this thread  :D

I hope you get your money :)

Just finalizing some stuff and almost done, don't worry.

9.6001BTC has been sent to your address https://blockchain.info/address/1HyukyLvqzi6SEniLQTB7pB1TYdAPLEtM4
Congratulations and sorry for late process, but we had to check all the logs to be more sure that this is not a hack or a cheat since it's the next big win in a few days and since you only made 27 Bets..... Congratulations again and hope you come back and play at sawdice soon :)

money received, thanks. guess i missjuged you. you should really think about lowering your max win, as this will happpen again..

Congratz man you have received your winning amount as i told you Sawdice just implemented new trusted provably fair system and came back to make it run for long time and i hope with that kind of good things would be helpful to get trust from more players and these big payment would attract high rollers.

thank you for you advise we take care of it since many users ask for it too and since the house edge is just 0.5% today we make the max win = 1 BTC so we do not run out our could wallet .

My depo won't come and it's confirmed man

Don't worry it's because the blockchain.info RPC API is down at the moment once they fix their RPC API the funds will be added automatically to your account, and we are now in process to setup our own bitcoin RPC server it will be done by tomorrow so we will never rely on blockchain.info RPC api  in the future because it goes down a lot the last days .

blockchain.info RPC Api back working again and later tomorrow we will replace it with our own build RPC server so we do not face this much down time on processing payments when blockchain.info API goes down

Hello, made a deposit but it is saying "2 confirmations left" and my balance has not been updated, can you please look into it? I have 2 confs in the blockchain now. I think this issue is related to the first time i deposited and you pushed the deposit through.

Thank you

Ok, deposit received. I had a pretty solid run, guess to hot wallet is empty though.

Let me know when you start using your RPC, I think the main thing that your site needs now is speedy and comfortable deposits and withdrawals. As always, best of luck to you.

deposit yesterday and still have zero balance. My nick is Vengeance

https://blockchain.info/tx/f5db498deb2ccfb0912a7ce5b926a73f6635c78826ce78c22ee98e3b7d36fa13

Are you sure mate? you have posted the same TX on other thread.. ???


Edit : seems that you have just deleted the other post , perhaps you posted on the wrong thread :)

All delayed deposits were processed some minutes ago and we just replaced the blockchain.info RPC API which goes down a lot with our own RPC server so you would never face such a delay on bitcoins deposits any more.  Also no confirmations required to get deposits added to your account, it will be added to your account with zero confirmations.

Hope you have fun playing at Sawdice.com

deposits and withdrawals are really fast. good job on that

they wont runaway, before paying out 11 bitcoins when they got down i thought they were scam, but as it was paid out to one player now i doubt that they will run away

This has been already paid out.


On another note, guess its not my lucky day :/

nice that they cashed out biger win :) its nice to see they didnt run away as soon someone hit big.
but will they stay its hard to tell yet. :)
good luck with this
regards.
-Katerniko1

this is a fucking lie. fucking new sites and their sockpuppets

what is your problem ?

my problem is that you create a site, get sockpuppets to win huge amounts and then get them to pump your site. and with statements that clearly arent true. withdrawals have not worked properly since you went up, and they still dont.

This is completely absurd. I've been around long before this site was online. I am in no way associated with it and have no interest in seeing it failing OR succeeding. That being said I do appreciate the professional way thing are being run, I don't see how that makes me biased or a 'sockpuppet'.

I both withdrew and deposited btc today, all was instant and without any hitch. If you are experiencing problems, I suggest you contact support, rather than make a fool of yourself here.

sorry for withdraw do not work for you but our hot wallet got empty after another big win form user " defeat "  congratulations to him , now we loaded up our hot wallet with a decent amount that do not suppose to empty any time soon unless another big win happens and if does we check our hot wallet 3-4 times a day to make sure that it have a decent amount for withdraws

i dont see anything wrong with them wanting to verify a users win if its a large win. lots of cheaters in the btc world. i do agree though that the process could be done faster. 2-4 hours is acceptable but 12+ is a bit ridiculous. especially when the winners have less than 100 rolls to be verified from whet i read

it took us some time to get notified that our hot wallet is empty and to verify the user bets and recharge the hot wallet again most of this time we hadn't been notified that the hot wallet got empty but it's all Ok now.

Deposits are instant, withdrawals of low amounts are instant, big amounts needs to be verified first.
We run a legitimate business and we do not have sock puppets, and if anyone have a proof of something else pls prove it rather than throwing random words.

Fill hot wallet pls. I know you don't have a huge bankroll, but you may want to keep some btc in the hot wallet so you don't have to fill it twice a day... Just a tought.

aaaaannd.... its gone! thanks for playing folks!

i dont see its gone it say there is maintaince. i think they are still here they are just working on some update.
but well maybe im wrong we will see it in a while :)
regards.
-Katerniko1

just applying some updates it will not take long time.

the site back working again ... we was trying to apply some new features on the site but i think it will take a bit longer so we restore the site back and we will apply this new features tomorrow after we fix it ... also the hotwallet is charged again with a good amount of  btc after another big win today ... and now the house edge is 1% ....Good luck for all of you

ok my review on this site is:
i tried it with faucet and made 0.002 (just to test it i withdrawed it) i got withdrawal instant and there was no fee like on other sites.
so in all of that i like it and i will be playing it.
regards.
-Katerniko1

Cool trailer video, expect there were a couple of typos.. :P
Regarding the withdraws, what would you guys classify as "big amounts"? 

please tell us about those 2 typos so we fix them
big amounts is amounts over 5+ btc at the moment we will raise it time by time we just do not like to keep big amounts on hot wallet in our early days .


OMG katerniko you trun 0.000005 to 0.002 this is huge its 40x you are very lucky or very smart and i am lucky too because you do not do it with real bitcoins like 1 bitcoin or so and turn it to 40 bitcoins or the cold wallet will get hurt bad by now   ;D  

actually faucet is only 300 sats xD

yeah now days it only 300 satoshis but till some weeks ago it was 500 satoshis

Sure!
In the video:

0:22 minutes - It's ungrateful, not ungreatful
1:39 minutes - It's survive, not servive
1:58 minutes - It's than, not then
2:23 minutes - It's survive, not servive

That's all I could find! :)

OH thank you please post you BTC wallet address for your bounty

if you have house edge of 1% then on 2x there should be roll over 5050 not 5049 and roll under is ok 4950
thats 1 small mistake :D

Some more:

0:26 "anymore" should be two words: "any more"
0:30 after pausing it to write the above line, I saw:

https://i.imgur.com/HOoW6vp.png

I reloaded the page, but it still stops at that point, with the same error.

I downloaded the video file to watch it in a standalone player. Then:

1:18 "it's not by accident to be here" is ungrammatical. "it's not an accident that you are here" would be better
2:02 "find the combination" - he says it like com-BYE-nation, but it should be com-BI-nation, with a short 'i' sound - think "bit" not "bite".

The current setting "over 5049" is indeed correct, as the possible outcome is 0000 - 9999.
You will win with "under 4950" if your number is 0000 - 4949, and the chance is 49.5% exactly.
You will win with "over 5049" if your number is 5050 - 9999, and the chance is exactly 49.5% as well.

it is correct you can look at the other dice sites who have 1% house edge you will find the same roll over/under numbers .



 what browser and OS you use ? because we test it with chrome /firefox / safari / opera and the video works good

oh :D there is no 10000 its only 9999 xD my bad sorry :D

It has played all the way through for me before, but my Internet connection isn't very stable. It seems that if the video file download fails part way through, the bad version gets cached and even reloading the page doesn't "uncache" it.

Please tend to the hot wallet. I've been trying to withdraw a mini amount of 0.02 btc for two days now (I've finally gambled it away), and I have not been able to :/

This doesn't give the best impression of you.

it can't be 2 days maybe a bad luck as we said before we check our hotwallet balance 4 times a day and we reload with 2-5 btc  each time if its short because of high winners right now there is 3 btc on the hot wallet