Russia is producing 85,000 shells a month right now
Russia spends about 20,000 artillery shells daily
Nothing could possibly go wrong with this brilliant strategy. Ukraine doesn’t produce artillery shells at all and spends 5,000 shells a day, doesn’t anything bother you about this strategy?  Both of those statements are wrong. The result depends on the degree of support. Ukraine has proven more resilient than expected, Europe an US more willing to confront, Ruzzia less powerful than could be expected... so this is a situation can be broken by sending a proper yearly long aid package. As of now, Ukrainians have done a lot with a very limited supply of weapons and limits to their use.
In the end, it depends on how good of ally is US going to be and, to be honest, how smart they are about their own stance in the world if they choose to step back.
Something really strange occurred today with the price of Ural Oil. from 80 to 50 US per barrel.
The New York Times - Dec. 11, 2023
U.S. and Ukraine Search for a New Strategy After Failed Counteroffensive
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The Russian military, after its own failed drive to Kyiv in 2022, has begun to reverse its fortunes and is rebuilding its might. Moscow now has more troops, ammunition and missiles, and has increased its firepower advantage with a fleet of battlefield drones, many of them supplied by Iran, according to American officials.
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The Americans are pushing for a conservative strategy that focuses on holding the territory Ukraine has, digging in and building up supplies and forces over the course of the year. The Ukrainians want to go on the attack, either on the ground or with long-range strikes, with the hopes of seizing the world’s attention.
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Many Ukrainian leaders do not realize how precarious continued U.S. funding for the war is, American officials said. These Ukrainian generals and senior civilian officials have unrealistic expectations about what the United States will supply, they said. They are asking for millions of rounds of artillery, for example, from Western stockpiles that do not exist.
American officials say Ukraine will have to fight on a tighter budget.
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You have just hit the spot! That is exactly the problem! A bunch of journalists that need to sell newspaper no-matter-what and a bunch of generals, particularly US generals, that are not accountable for the results, will not suffer if Ukraine fails and certainly are not know for being able themselves to "fight with a tight budget" (I laughed a lot on this one coming from US generals) telling Ukraine how they have to fight... inclusive the fantastic doctrine about minefields consisting in "going around them". OMG... this would be so funny if it were not a war. The US has to make a decision and there are no shortcuts to it: give enough to hold for ever (uneconomic), give enough to win this war (hurts, but hurts only for a little while) or let Ruzzzia take whatever, which brings another war in 4 years - closer to the US bases in EU. Glad we're at least partially on the same page. Only i don't think journalists have anything to do with the planning or the outcome whatsoever, they're just mostly pushing whichever propaganda and they're usually a good indicator of whats to come as they're typically used to set the mood/pivot the population before official announcements. As for the generals, the pentagon and NATO overall, either not sending enough weapons to win was just a silly coincidence/misunderstanding/miscalculation and only now, after almost two years of war generals have to make a decision as you claim, or that decision has already been made a while ago and those hundreds of generals get their funding from (career) politicians which are mostly interested in keeping the power or enough popularity to get re/elected. For the upside Putin having a sudden heart attack and Russia falling apart is a huge upside, Russia had control of those Ukrainian bases which are "closer to the EU" all the way up to 2014, and no one really cared much, so why not try it. Now that we see that it didn't work, oh well not much of a downside. But keeping this going has a real downside of Europe tearing apart, and politicians just loosing their jobs if they continue to vote for unpopular war that's only becoming even more unpopular how can they send more than before if now only 18% of population believe US is not sending enough. |
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The result depends on the degree of support. Ukraine has proven more resilient than expected, Europe an US more willing to confront, Ruzzia less powerful than could be expected... so this is a situation can be broken by sending a proper yearly long aid package. As of now, Ukrainians have done a lot with a very limited supply of weapons and limits to their use.
In the end, it depends on how good of ally is US going to be and, to be honest, how smart they are about their own stance in the world if they choose to step back.
Something really strange occurred today with the price of Ural Oil. from 80 to 50 US per barrel.
So you agreed that west has been sending less aid than needed for Ukrain's victory for almost 2 years now. And now with war fatigue, changing leaderships, loosing attention to Israel/Palestine conflict, less than 50% of Americans support sending more aid to Ukraine and falling, polls showing Biden loosing to Trump with US going into the elections year, Zelenskiy's popularity falling with infighting in Ukraine's leadership, and US loosing moral high ground with a The United States vetoed a United Nations resolution Friday backed by almost all other Security Council members and many other nations demanding an immediate humanitarian cease-fire in Gaza. how realistic do you think that Ukraine gets "proper yearly long aid package"? Sorry to squash your hopes but this NY times article might hint on the answer. The New York Times - Dec. 11, 2023
U.S. and Ukraine Search for a New Strategy After Failed Counteroffensive
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The Russian military, after its own failed drive to Kyiv in 2022, has begun to reverse its fortunes and is rebuilding its might. Moscow now has more troops, ammunition and missiles, and has increased its firepower advantage with a fleet of battlefield drones, many of them supplied by Iran, according to American officials.
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The Americans are pushing for a conservative strategy that focuses on holding the territory Ukraine has, digging in and building up supplies and forces over the course of the year. The Ukrainians want to go on the attack, either on the ground or with long-range strikes, with the hopes of seizing the world’s attention.
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Many Ukrainian leaders do not realize how precarious continued U.S. funding for the war is, American officials said. These Ukrainian generals and senior civilian officials have unrealistic expectations about what the United States will supply, they said. They are asking for millions of rounds of artillery, for example, from Western stockpiles that do not exist.
American officials say Ukraine will have to fight on a tighter budget.
Some in the U.S. military want Ukraine to pursue a “hold and build” strategy — to focus on holding the territory it has and building its ability to produce weapons over 2024. The United States believes the strategy will improve Ukraine’s self-sufficiency and ensure Kyiv is in a position to repel any new Russian drive.
The goal would be to create enough of a credible threat that Russia might consider engaging in meaningful negotiations at the end of next year or in 2025.
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American officials say that without a change in strategy, 2024 could be akin to 1916, the deadliest year of World War I, when thousands of young men lost their lives and battle lines changed very little.
Ukrainian hospitals are already filled with injured soldiers. Ambulances moved back and forth from the front throughout this year’s counteroffensive. Ukraine has not released official numbers of its war dead, but the losses, officials concede, have been steep.
The 2023 counteroffensive was built around remaking Ukraine’s army in the image of America’s. It was, critics said, the approach the United States had tried in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan, largely unsuccessfully.
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U.S. and Ukrainian strategists did not initially realize how much more Russians were strengthening their defenses. Ukrainian troops training in Germany practiced breaking through defenses far less strong than what they would eventually face.
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Ukraine does not need to claw back all of the nearly 20 percent of the country it has lost to win the war, American officials say.
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American officials are trying to prepare the Ukrainians for next year, telling them that whatever aid Congress approves is not likely to match the kind of funding that Washington provided in the first two years of the war.
“They have to fight smartly and efficiently,” said Michael Kofman, a senior fellow in the Russia and Eurasia program at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, who recently visited Ukraine.
Lets redefine winning, and Ukraine now needs to fight in such a way that they loose slower  conflict of interests at its best |
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... handing out subscriptions for free unlimited Russian gas
LOL behold geopolitical expert again trying to make it sound as if Kremlin never tried to bribe western politicians or even entire countries with petrodollars and cheap gas... still not able to connect the dots on why this brilliant strategy didn't work though. You need to work on your reading comprehension skills. Thought it was obvious, no? West/US has exponentially more resources and a global reserve currency, that's why they engaged in financial expansionism. Russia is not even in the same weight category on the financial field. That kept going until "west" got to Ukraine which Russia drew a red line at, and demanded a written reply to their security demands from US, think we all can guess what US wrote in that response (can't wait until it's declassified), so Russia switched to military engagement. Then in the beginning Russia again tried to negotiate peace but then Boris Johnson said that WE MUST CONTINUE THE WAR, and here we are. But just because Russia cannot compete globally on the financial field, doesn't mean they can't do it selectively, which i think they're doing rather successfully in Hungary now. Instead of challenging the whole block which would be a financial suicide, Russia just needs to send cookies to the weakest link from the block with a veto power. Now west is forced to apply yet another double standard, pay for Ukrainian army, politicians, civil servants, retirement fund, support Ukrainian currency but at the same time try to justify why Russia and China cannot do even half of that because...reasons. The only thing obvious is that when you bullied someone in the playground and got your face bashed in, you would cry and complain that the other guy didn't play by your made up rules and/or turned out to be "not even in the same weight category". Your verbal gymnastics is impressive. However if you're trying to establish "new world order" or whatever putinists call it, then it follows from said gymnastics that you either miscalculated bigly or are just plain lying. Richest country in the world, ruled by the greatest leader of all time, does not have enough resources to compete in the global markets or at least not suck horribly, and the lemmings still can't figure out why. Technically we get a new world order every time any of the 200 countries change places. If Russia manages to stop it I believe this would be the first time western expansion is stopped with a force since Soviet Union.  *doesn't include Finland It's hard to follow your allegory, but in essence the outcome of this conflict will have consequences one way or another. If after this is all over Ukraine will transition to western sphere with NATO bases, then Putin will pay the consequences, in essence he miscalculated and will have to answer for that to his people and his generals. Just as if Ukraine will stay under Russian sphere, Zelenskiy will have to answer for loosing so many souls and not ending this earlier. West as usual is in a no-loose position, but they are still paying indirectly by radicals/nationalists coming to power in EU and overall weakening and possible breakup of EU (no free lunch with escalations). It works both ways, of course both sides will try to come up with some justifications for their failings but at this point too much blood has been spilled for anyone to care for excuses on either side. |
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... handing out subscriptions for free unlimited Russian gas
LOL behold geopolitical expert again trying to make it sound as if Kremlin never tried to bribe western politicians or even entire countries with petrodollars and cheap gas... still not able to connect the dots on why this brilliant strategy didn't work though. You need to work on your reading comprehension skills. Thought it was obvious, no? West/US has exponentially more resources and a global reserve currency, that's why they engaged in financial expansionism. Russia is not even in the same weight category on the financial field. That kept going until "west" got to Ukraine which Russia drew a red line at, and demanded a written reply to their security demands from US, think we all can guess what US wrote in that response (can't wait until it's declassified), so Russia switched to military engagement. Then in the beginning Russia again tried to negotiate peace but then Boris Johnson said that WE MUST CONTINUE THE WAR, and here we are. But just because Russia cannot compete globally on the financial field, doesn't mean they can't do it selectively, which i think they're doing rather successfully in Hungary now. Instead of challenging the whole block which would be a financial suicide, Russia just needs to send cookies to the weakest link from the block with a veto power. Now west is forced to apply yet another double standard, pay for Ukrainian army, politicians, civil servants, retirement fund, support Ukrainian currency but at the same time try to justify why Russia and China cannot do even half of that because...reasons. You are opening another topic, but let's play along. May I understand why in the world Ruzzia feels they are entitled to have any guarantees from anyone, particularly of the US? Was that "request" something like: "either you give me the guarantee I am seeking or I will start a war an spoil the welfare of half of the world". do you understand that it is quite difficult to threaten an economy ten times your size and an army 10 times yours? Of course that is not going to be accepted. And if Ruzzia chooses the warpath, there shall be war. Re all other whattabouts on China and Bulgaria are irrelevant to it. Bulgaria is going to lag behind since they will not be getting funds. If the government is elected again, it is well in the realm of possibility they will be invited to join Ruzzia and leave UE (good luck to all). Agreements for spheres of influence are as old as time and happen all the time. The reason is simple and the same as why US demanded Soviet union not to open bases in Cuba and bring missiles there or US would put Cuba under a blockade. [...] Unfortunately, no one really cares whether you feel that's acceptable to you or not.As far as Bulgaria leaving EU, Russia is not strong enough on its own yet, so if that would to happen Bulgaria would be leaving EU for BRICS with funding from China. With the technological gap shrinking the global trend is turning back to resources, and it just happens that unlike in US there just aren't that many resources in EU. Seeing EU starting to break apart would not be a positive for the west. [... pages of whatabout removed]Ruzzia is not the Soviet Union, is a much weaker leader of a federation. Obviously Ruzzia and other bits of the world have a disagreement on the "sphere of influence" that Ruzzia actually has. If that lack of influence was doubtful, It has been confirmed to be very weak. Waging war Ruzzia can cause a lot of trouble to all including themselves, but that's it. Mark Twain said "It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt”, so I would say "it is better to have the world doubting your power than start a war like this and confirm your irrelevance". Have you seen the fireworks in Crimea? does that look to you like influence? https://t.me/Crimeanwind/49640It wasn't whataboutism in a sense that i wasn't justifying the action, just simply stating that this is just how the world works (whether right or wrong). No competition can exists with double standards. Yes unfortunately we humans are still living in the your tribe vs my tribe mindset. World powers need to constantly expand thus the disagreements, we haven't figured out how to adjust influences as power shifts from one side to another. We got a bit better when we transitioned from military expansionism to mostly financial expansionism, where we try to buy out other countries instead of just clubbing them with sticks, but when outcome is not clear and expansion is contested we fall back to military confrontation and killing each other as a way to decide who's stronger. Russian sphere has been contrasting since the 80s, and now its sphere of influence is down to bare bone Russian speaking countries from the old Soviet block with majority sharing direct border with Russia. It was an insane move for US to challenge the status quo and go after them, especially after Russia was getting stronger in the 2000s. Financially, west has thrown more sanctions at Russia than any other country in the world, yet Russia's economy is on course to recover this year from a 2.1% drop in GDP in 2022, as the West imposed sweeping sanctions against Russia over its invasion of Ukraine. In the first quarter of this year, GDP decreased 1.8% and grew 4.9% in the second. And militarily, despite billions in military equipment, all of NATO resources, intelligence, spy networks, satellites, and "foreign volunteers" Russia is still advancing almost 2 years into the conflict. So I'm not sure what's your definition of a "very weak" country is. As per above, waging the war is just a way to contest the financial expansion. Outcomes are, either Ukraine stays under Russian sphere (Russia wins), Ukraine transitions to the west sphere (Russia looses), some compromise where Ukraine is split between two spheres. There's also a chance of Ukraine becoming a truly neutral buffer state, but i don't think it's probable seeing how even Switzerland is forced to give up its neutrality. Of course in all scenarios Ukraine always looses, and the west never really looses as long as it doesn't get involved directly. Good quote from Mark Twain but doesn't apply to current situation. You can only cry paper tiger for so long, after fighting it for almost 2 years and still loosing some land, still yelling paper tiger starting to just sound silly. As you're aware, I don't pay much attention to daily military events from the front. They're just used to confuse and manipulate the masses, gives a false sense of understanding the dynamics of the conflict, only to set up for a big dissapointment. What I'm watching now is Senate Republicans Block Ukraine Aid Bill. I still expect them to fund Ukraine until spring as dropping Ukraine now in the winter would be catastrophic and send the worst possible message. But now seeing even republicans in the Senate (not just the house of representatives) blocking it, and Zelenskiy canceling his speech to the Senate last minute, makes the probability of a hard drop in winter non negligible and its growing with every day. Regardless, the writing is on the wall, with US presidential elections starting in the spring, this would be the last aid packag to Ukraine.
Meanwhile today in Moscow who one of the most nasty Z-person, traitor of Ukriane Ilya Kiva was eliminated: https://www.ft.com/content/834e90a5-6ae0-4839-b184-2c7c5e22ced0Previously he was member of Ukraine's Rada, but after start of invasion he run away to Russia where he actively supported war in Ukraine and become frequent guest on propaganda shows. Interesting moment that in 2014 he was active participant of Maidan, become member of nationalist Right Sector, but later he changed views to pro- Russian. What a chameleon. Quite ironical that Kiva in his last post on Telegram today posted that best option for Zelensky now is suicide, well, that didn't aged well: https://t.me/The_Kyva/6381This SBU operation shows that traitors can't feel safe even far away in Moscow. Sometimes I forget how brutal war is... I just checked the article and took a deep dive into the history of Ukraine intelligence on the assassination of specific targets in the occupied territories and within Russia itself. It kinds of reminds me when Wagner used to do the same thing against defectors in Ukraine. It would have been more intelligent for him just to move out Ukraine to shut up, instead talking and catching the attention as he obviously liked to. The straw which broke the Camel's back was officially endorsing the Kremlin and actively collaborating to present his own homeland as a Nazi ridden hell hole. Rest in pepperoni. Guess he still needed to get paid somehow and was promised an easy job. Regardless of how anyone feels about this person, surely everyone must see the dissonance here. On one hand they try to convince everyone that Russians are committing genocide against Ukrainian people, but on the other there's indirect coverage of how this Ukrainian was safely living in Moscow without any issues and enjoying his life until this and it's SBU that's now trying to make sure that Ukrainians (dissidents) don't feel safe in Russia anymore  anyone knows of any openly Jewish dissidents living happily in Berlin under Nazis? Encyclopaedia Britannica
Genocide, the deliberate and systematic destruction of a group of people because of their ethnicity, nationality, religion, or race. The term, derived from the Greek genos (“race,” “tribe,” or “nation”) and the Latin cide (“killing”), was coined by Raphael Lemkin, a Polish-born jurist who served as an adviser to the U.S. Department of War during World War II.
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... handing out subscriptions for free unlimited Russian gas
LOL behold geopolitical expert again trying to make it sound as if Kremlin never tried to bribe western politicians or even entire countries with petrodollars and cheap gas... still not able to connect the dots on why this brilliant strategy didn't work though. You need to work on your reading comprehension skills. Thought it was obvious, no? West/US has exponentially more resources and a global reserve currency, that's why they engaged in financial expansionism. Russia is not even in the same weight category on the financial field. That kept going until "west" got to Ukraine which Russia drew a red line at, and demanded a written reply to their security demands from US, think we all can guess what US wrote in that response (can't wait until it's declassified), so Russia switched to military engagement. Then in the beginning Russia again tried to negotiate peace but then Boris Johnson said that WE MUST CONTINUE THE WAR, and here we are. But just because Russia cannot compete globally on the financial field, doesn't mean they can't do it selectively, which i think they're doing rather successfully in Hungary now. Instead of challenging the whole block which would be a financial suicide, Russia just needs to send cookies to the weakest link from the block with a veto power. Now west is forced to apply yet another double standard, pay for Ukrainian army, politicians, civil servants, retirement fund, support Ukrainian currency but at the same time try to justify why Russia and China cannot do even half of that because...reasons. You are opening another topic, but let's play along. May I understand why in the world Ruzzia feels they are entitled to have any guarantees from anyone, particularly of the US? Was that "request" something like: "either you give me the guarantee I am seeking or I will start a war an spoil the welfare of half of the world". do you understand that it is quite difficult to threaten an economy ten times your size and an army 10 times yours? Of course that is not going to be accepted. And if Ruzzia chooses the warpath, there shall be war. Re all other whattabouts on China and Bulgaria are irrelevant to it. Bulgaria is going to lag behind since they will not be getting funds. If the government is elected again, it is well in the realm of possibility they will be invited to join Ruzzia and leave UE (good luck to all). Agreements for spheres of influence are as old as time and happen all the time. The reason is simple and the same as why US demanded Soviet union not to open bases in Cuba and bring missiles there or US would put Cuba under a blockade. And more currently why US can demand change of government in Cuba or they keep the country under an embargo. Same question might be asked to US and why they are entitled to interfere in the most elections around the world, or "protect" oil fields in Syria and Iraq, or after sanctions on Russian oil how US makes an agreement with Venezuela and now suddenly Venezuela is taking over parts of Guyana with not many objections from the west or offers to protect the freedom of people in Guyana. For obvious reasons it's just very rarely that they put these things in writing at the top levels. Unfortunately, no one really cares whether you feel that's acceptable to you or not. As far as Bulgaria leaving EU, Russia is not strong enough on its own yet, so if that would to happen Bulgaria would be leaving EU for BRICS with funding from China. With the technological gap shrinking the global trend is turning back to resources, and it just happens that unlike in US there just aren't that many resources in EU. Seeing EU starting to break apart would not be a positive for the west. The Washington Post Oct. 13, 2016
While the days of its worst behavior are long behind it, the United States does have a well-documented history of interfering and sometimes interrupting the workings of democracies elsewhere. It has occupied and intervened militarily in a whole swath of countries in the Caribbean and Latin America and fomented coups against democratically elected populists.
The most infamous episodes include the ousting of Iranian Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh in 1953 — whose government was replaced by an authoritarian monarchy favorable to Washington — the removal and assassination of Congolese leader Patrice Lumumba in 1961, and the violent toppling of socialist Chilean President Salvador Allende, whose government was swept aside in 1973 by a military coup led by the ruthless Gen. Augusto Pinochet.
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Sometimes that agenda also explicitly converged with the interests of U.S. business: In 1954, Washington unseated Guatemala's left-wing president, Jacobo Arbenz, who had had the temerity to challenge the vast control of the United Fruit Co., a U.S. corporation, with agrarian laws that would be fairer to Guatemalan farmers. The CIA went on to install and back a series of right-wing dictatorships that brutalized the impoverished nation for almost half a century.
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Aside from its instigation of coups and alliances with right-wing juntas, Washington sought to more subtly influence elections in all corners of the world. And so did Moscow. Political scientist Dov Levin calculates that the “two powers intervened in 117 elections around the world from 1946 to 2000 — an average of once in every nine competitive elections.”
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CIA operatives gave millions of dollars to their Italian allies and helped orchestrate what was then an unprecedented, clandestine propaganda campaign: This included forging documents to besmirch communist leaders via fabricated sex scandals, starting a mass letter-writing campaign from Italian Americans to their compatriots, and spreading hysteria about a Russian takeover and the undermining of the Catholic Church.
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“We had bags of money that we delivered to selected politicians, to defray their political expenses, their campaign expenses, for posters, for pamphlets,” recounted F. Mark Wyatt, the CIA officer who handled the mission and later participated in more than 2½ decades of direct support to the Christian Democrats.
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This template spread everywhere: CIA operative Edward G. Lansdale, notorious for his efforts to bring down the North Vietnamese government, is said to have run the successful 1953 campaign of Philippines President Ramon Magsaysay. Japan's center-right Liberal Democratic Party was backed with secret American funds through the 1950s and the 1960s. The U.S. government and American oil corporations helped Christian parties in Lebanon win crucial elections in 1957 with briefcases full of cash.
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In Chile, the United States prevented Allende from winning an election in 1964. “A total of nearly four million dollars was spent on some fifteen covert action projects, ranging from organizing slum dwellers to passing funds to political parties,” detailed a Senate inquiry in the mid-1970s that started to expose the role of the CIA in overseas elections. When it couldn't defeat Allende at the ballot box in 1970, Washington decided to remove him anyway.
“I don’t see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist due to the irresponsibility of its own people,” Kissinger is said to have quipped. Pinochet's regime presided over years of torture, disappearances and targeted assassinations.
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After the end of the Cold War, the United States has largely brought its covert actions into the open with organizations like the more benign National Endowment for Democracy, which seeks to bolster civil society and democratic institutions around the world through grants and other assistance. Still, U.S. critics see the American hand in a range of more recent elections, from Honduras to Venezuela to Ukraine.
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“If the Chinese indeed tried to influence the election here . . . the United States is only getting a taste of its own medicine,” Peter Kornbluh, director of the National Security Archive, which is affiliated with George Washington University, said in a 1997 interview with the New York Times. “China has done little more than emulate a long pattern of U.S. manipulation, bribery and covert operations to influence the political trajectory of countless countries around the world.”
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... handing out subscriptions for free unlimited Russian gas
LOL behold geopolitical expert again trying to make it sound as if Kremlin never tried to bribe western politicians or even entire countries with petrodollars and cheap gas... still not able to connect the dots on why this brilliant strategy didn't work though. You need to work on your reading comprehension skills. Thought it was obvious, no? West/US has exponentially more resources and a global reserve currency, that's why they engaged in financial expansionism. Russia is not even in the same weight category on the financial field. That kept going until "west" got to Ukraine which Russia drew a red line at, and demanded a written reply to their security demands from US, think we all can guess what US wrote in that response (can't wait until it's declassified), so Russia switched to military engagement. Then in the beginning Russia again tried to negotiate peace but then Boris Johnson said that WE MUST CONTINUE THE WAR, and here we are. But just because Russia cannot compete globally on the financial field, doesn't mean they can't do it selectively, which i think they're doing rather successfully in Hungary now. Instead of challenging the whole block which would be a financial suicide, Russia just needs to send cookies to the weakest link from the block with a veto power. Now west is forced to apply yet another double standard, pay for Ukrainian army, politicians, civil servants, retirement fund, support Ukrainian currency but at the same time try to justify why Russia and China cannot do even half of that because...reasons. |
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USA tried to replace Russian sphere of influence by destroying Russian one, employing nazis
to do that for them. So Russians battle it by fighting Nazis and protecting Russians
replacing a language is part of changing the spheres of influence
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Why wouldn't the west sponsor neo-nazis to fight against Russia once again?
LOL you've been massively lied to about the purposes of the "special operation" but you're fine with that because it was never about "nazis" or anything... just some good old genocidal Russian imperialism that you adore so much. I'm just not quite sure why you're shy to parrot all of the Kremlin propagandist stuff, not just select bits. You're skipping the parts about nuking Berlin and London and all that shit, as if you don't really believe it perhaps, yet all the things about "nazis" must be absolutely true. No cognitive dissonance? I don't understand the reason for your cognitive dissonance. There are subjective countries in the world and objects of their influence. Russia is a subjective country, Ukraine is an object of its influence. Ukraine does not have actual sovereignty, even if it has all the formal characteristics of a sovereign state. If this is news or revelation to you, then you don’t understand anything about politics. Even under your imperialistic and simplistic view of the world, it seems that Ukraine has decided they have a say on whose influence they are better of with. Even a "subject" seems to be able to choose the "whateverf**k" that fits best. I am not sure what you call "actual sovereignty", Ukraine is a recognised independent nation and as any country has to live with a range of influences - no country is free to do at will, not even the US, they are all subject to conditions, influences and relations. By now, they have figured out that Moscow would treat them like they treat the rest of the "subjects" - impoverishing them, sending them to die and letting them to deal with the local despot. They want to try something different. Careful, can't have that. Russia and China are now on to this game. Look at the Belt and Road Initiative. Russia just needs to buy out the weakest link, like bringing cookies to Hungary to buy their loyalty and veto and then what? Or China might want to make financial incentives for Mexico that they just cannot refuse, not even mentioning Cuba again. Buying loyalty with cookies would mean that all smaller countries would just go under the sphere of a highest bidder, and Cuban crisis taught us that US won't let that happen. Need to think of some good old American exceptionalism for financial expansionism, something like only government officials from countries that have letters "meric" in their name can bring cookies to other countries, that should do it. Imagine Russian diplomat doing this in Hungary, or handing out subscriptions for free unlimited Russian gas for one year in Slovakia/Germany/Denmark..., imagine the queues of people lining up  |
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USA tried to replace Russian sphere of influence by destroying Russian one, employing nazis
to do that for them. So Russians battle it by fighting Nazis and protecting Russians
replacing a language is part of changing the spheres of influence
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Why wouldn't the west sponsor neo-nazis to fight against Russia once again?
LOL you've been massively lied to about the purposes of the "special operation" but you're fine with that because it was never about "nazis" or anything... just some good old genocidal Russian imperialism that you adore so much. I'm just not quite sure why you're shy to parrot all of the Kremlin propagandist stuff, not just select bits. You're skipping the parts about nuking Berlin and London and all that shit, as if you don't really believe it perhaps, yet all the things about "nazis" must be absolutely true. No cognitive dissonance? You seem to be utterly confused and just rambling random words at this point. But i can see why https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/12/04/ukraine-counteroffensive-stalled-russia-war-defenses/ Long read probably beyond your attention span, but gives a sobering coverage of the failed counteroffensive and the finger pointing between west and Ukraine. But everyone already knew that, the bigger question is what happens next, now that Russians had even more time to make more mine fields and build defenses, and now Ukraine is lacking manpower. Looks like Ukraine solvency and existence will depend on the clown show in Washington next two week until congress will go on Christmas break, how many month will they extend Ukrainian aid for, range seems to be from 0 to 11 (November elections) |
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this conflict is simply just about expanding spheres of influence
What happened to "protecting" Russian language in Ukraine, and "nazis"? Funny how even when you admit being lied to, you're still trying to find ways to justify your stupidity. You're trolling right? I refuse to believe that you're seriously so dumb that you don't even realize that replacing a language is part of changing the spheres of influence? The Russian book ban in Ukraine took effect on December 30, 2016, when President Petro Poroshenko signed a law that restricted import of books into Ukraine from Russia. This is an element of the ongoing military conflict between Ukraine and Russia.Ukrainian parliament backs mandatory English language law for key positions in countryNext time before speaking educate yourself on Operation Cyclone where west sponsored mujahideens like Osama bin Laden and Operation Red Sox where west sponsored known nazi collaborators such as Bandera. Why wouldn't the west sponsor neo-nazis to fight against Russia once again? Yet, back in Washington, concerns started to grow. On the one hand, there was the reality of who these Ukrainian emigres were actually linking up with. The main body of Ukrainian insurgents, and in particular the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists, had already been linked directly to Nazi atrocities in the region. “They were Nazis, pure and simple,” one CIA operations chief said. “Worse than that, because a lot of them did the Nazis’ dirty work for them.” |
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At least you tried to draw attention away and change the topic right?
The topic is Russian invasion in Ukraine, not really your personal diary and wall-quoting yourself. Do you have anything to say on-topic, or is it just Cuba, Taliban, Israel, Taiwan etc? Seems like every problem anywhere in the world exists only to justify your fuehrer's actions. Might be great in your current condition but sounds utterly absurd in the real world. I understand that current world news don't fit your narrative, and that you'd prefer to discuss Ukraine in a vacuum citing only Ukrainian sources of how great everything is going and how amazing Zelenskiy is. But at it's root, this conflict is simply just about expanding spheres of influence, if you don't like US trying to tie Ukrainian, Israel and Taiwan funding together, take it to Biden while he's still in office. And try explaining why Russian sanctions failed without explaining how China couldn't let them succeed |
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[...] not sure how you could put a positive spin on that, go ahead now you can sign the new agreement at even worse terms but your losses weren't in vain because you protected NATO (even though NATO was fine in 2013) Not sure how to tell you this, but you're arguing with yourself here. Sorry about your mental illness, perhaps taking a break from the internet would be beneficial for you. Not sure how to tell you this, but  But let me help you out, and educate you on this too: Cambridge Dictionary
argue-verb
to speak angrily to someone, telling that person that you disagree with them
At least you tried to draw attention away and change the topic right?
... Michael von der Schulenburg is a former UN Assistant Secretary-General, who worked for over 34 years for the United Nations
Hajo Funke is Professor Emeritus for political sciences of the Otto-Suhr-Institute/ Freie University Berlin
General (ret.) Harald Kujat was the highest ranging German officer of the Bundeswehr and at NATO
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Just one month after the start of the Russian military intervention in Ukraine, Ukrainian and Russian negotiators had come very close to an agreement for a ceasefire and to an outline for a comprehensive peace solution to the conflict.
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Contrary to Western interpretations, Ukraine and Russia agreed at the time that the planned NATO expansion was the reason for the war. They therefore focused their peace negotiations on Ukraine’s neutrality and its renunciation of NATO membership. In return, Ukraine would have retained its territorial integrity except for Crimea. [...]
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The Washington Post reported April 5 that in NATO, continuing the war is preferred to a cease-fire and negotiated settlement: “[yellow=red,2,300]For some in NATO, it’s better for Ukrainians to keep fighting and dying[/glow] than to achieve a peace that comes too soon or at too high a price for Kiev and the rest of Europe.” Zelensky, he said, should “keep fighting until Russia is completely defeated.”
BORIS JOHNSON’S MESSAGE TO UKRAINIANS ON APRIL 9, 2022: WE MUST CONTINUE THE WAR
On April 9, 2022, Boris Johnson arrived unannounced in Kiev and told the Ukrainian president that the West was not ready to end the war. According to Britain’s Guardian on April 28, PM Johnson had “instructed” Ukrainian President Zelensky “not to make any concessions to Putin”:
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Johnson brought two simple messages with him to Kiev. The first is that Putin is a war criminal; he should be pressured, not negotiated with. The second is that even if Ukraine is willing to sign some agreements with Putin on guarantees, but that the collective West is not.
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[...] You need to learn to summarize. Putin demand was that Ukraine would not join NATO and Ruzzia would keep the illegally acquired territory - something difficult to see as a "win-win". And on top of that he also wants to impose conditions on NATO and the European countries. That's not a plan is a threat. What is another obvious problem with this "plan"? There is nothing preventing Putin for annexing more land at will. The "West" cannot provide guarantees to a country that is effectively prevented from having the means to defend itself and from getting the protection of an alliance. What type of deal is that then? What would prevent Putin from toppling the government of Ukraine at will or take new territories? Again, not a plan but a threat -"do as I say or else it will be worse" The answer is "since Ukraine has to either fight or be under Moscow control, we fight and we s do it ASAP". Sorry if this was not the answer Putin was expecting, sorry if he thought the European Union would not help, US not get involved and the Ukrainians not willing to fight. A head of state that makes such as errors in judgement should not be in charge of a country. Well... except Ruzzia. It does not resist even the most elementary analysis. But I am summarizing, those articles have a lot more useful info that I had to cut out, plus it's really hard to summarize global events with the potential to change the world order down to a paragraph. You keep appealing to some concept of global fairness and a win-win, but Cuba has been under embargo for over 50yrs with the whole world but two countries saying it's illegal and should stop. Afghanistan has been in a state of war, only after 20 years and huge losses to finally replace Taliban with...Taliban. US has bases in Syria that Syria never agreed to, support of dictators in Africa, South America and Asia etc etc etc. Ukraine was under Russian sphere of influence up to 2014 and everything was fine, then west decided to attempt another financial expansionism, and brought cookies to wrestle Ukraine into it's own sphere of influence. You are correct that under some disguise of a win-win for everyone, the root of any peace agreement must decide which sphere would Ukraine fall under. Now for every decision there's a cost/benefit analysis, all sides seem to confirm that there was some agreement reached in principle in the beginning of all of this in 2022, and then Boris came and said no, let's start a war. Considering all of the losses, if a new peace agreement would be reached now which side's position do you think improved since then? The consensus seems to be that the trend is not positive for Ukraine at the negotiation table. Now if you could mobilize younger generation and risk 100s of thousands of soldiers lives, would you do it simply because what you felt was right/wrong/fair thing to do, disregarding the chances of actually achieving anything, or would you only do it if you felt that there's a strong chance of improving your position 6month from now? And now consider what would happen if those lives are wasted without achieving any progress or even worse, if 6month from now after loosing more people your position deteriorates even further like from the previous peace agreement? World is not a cartoon with good guys wearing white and bad guys wearing black, it's just as important for a good leader to know when to fight as when to fold and save lives. |
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... Michael von der Schulenburg is a former UN Assistant Secretary-General, who worked for over 34 years for the United Nations
Hajo Funke is Professor Emeritus for political sciences of the Otto-Suhr-Institute/ Freie University Berlin
General (ret.) Harald Kujat was the highest ranging German officer of the Bundeswehr and at NATO
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Just one month after the start of the Russian military intervention in Ukraine, Ukrainian and Russian negotiators had come very close to an agreement for a ceasefire and to an outline for a comprehensive peace solution to the conflict.
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Contrary to Western interpretations, Ukraine and Russia agreed at the time that the planned NATO expansion was the reason for the war. They therefore focused their peace negotiations on Ukraine’s neutrality and its renunciation of NATO membership. In return, Ukraine would have retained its territorial integrity except for Crimea.
There is little doubt that these peace negotiations failed due to resistance from NATO and in particular from the USA and the UK. The reasons is that such a peace agreement would have been tantamount to a defeat for NATO, an end to NATO’s eastward expansion and thus an end to the dream of a unipolar world dominated by the USA.
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The failure of the peace negotiations in March 2022 led to dangerous intensification of the war that has cost the lives of hundreds of thousands of people...Not only Russia, but also NATO and the West bear a heavy share of the blame for this disaster.
Ukraine’s negotiating position today is far worse than it was in March 2022. Ukraine will now lose large parts of its territory.
The blocking of the peace negotiations at that time has harmed everyone: Russia and Europe – but above all the people of Ukraine, who are paying with their blood the price for the ambitions of the major powers and will probably get nothing in return.
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However, instead of ending the war through negotiations as Ukrainian President Zelensky and his government appeared to have wanted, he ultimately bowed to pressures from some Western powers to abandon a negotiated solution. Western powers wanted this war to continue in the hope to break Russia.
...In the conversation in the Kremlin, Putin, Bennett [ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER] said, had made some substantial concessions, in particular, he had renounced his original wartime goal of demilitarizing Ukraine. … .In return, the Ukrainian president agreed to renounce joining NATO – a position he also repeated publicly a short time later.
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In the interview, Bennett explained further: “I had the impression at the time that both sides were very interested in a ceasefire (…). According to Bennett, a cease-fire was within reach at that time, and both sides were prepared to make considerable concessions…. But Britain and the U.S., in particular, wanted this peace process to end and set their sights on a continuation of the war.” (Ibid)
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Like Bennet, also he [former German Chancellor Gerhard Schröder] came to the conclusion that the reason why these peace negotiations were abandoned was because the Americans obstructed them. He said: “At the peace negotiations in March 2022 in Istanbul with Rustem Umerov (then security advisor to Zelensky, now Ukrainian defense minister), the Ukrainians did not agree to peace because they were not allowed to. They first had to ask the Americans about everything they discussed,” and continued: “But at the end (of the peace negotiations) nothing happened. My impression was that nothing could happen because everything else was decided in Washington. That was fatal.”
The Turkish Foreign Minister, Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu, who organized the Istanbul meeting at the time, had previously made similar comments. In an interview with CNN Turk on April 20, 2022, he said: “Some NATO states wanted the Ukraine conflict to continue in order to weaken Russia.”
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But this initial support quickly turned sour, with NATO opposing any such negotiations before Russia doesn’t withdraws all its troops from Ukrainian territories. This, in fact, killed all negotiations. Michael von der Schulenburg, former UN Assistant Secretary-General (ASG) in UN peace missions, writes that “NATO had already decided at a special summit on March 24, 2022, not to support these peace negotiations (between Ukraine and Russia).” (Cf. Michael von der Schulenburg: UN Charter: Negotiations! In: Emma, March 6, 2023). The US president had flown in especially for this special summit to Brussels. Obviously, peace as negotiated by the Russian and Ukrainian negotiating delegations was not in the interest of some NATO countries.
AT FIRST ZELENSKY STICKS TO THE OUTCOME OF THE PEACE NEGOTIATIONS
“As late as March 27, 2022, Zelensky had shown the courage to defend the results of the Ukrainian-Russian peace negotiations in public before Russian journalists – and this despite the fact that NATO had already decided at a special summit on March 24, 2022, not to support these peace negotiations.” (Ibid)
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The Washington Post reported April 5 that in NATO, continuing the war is preferred to a cease-fire and negotiated settlement: “[yellow=red,2,300]For some in NATO, it’s better for Ukrainians to keep fighting and dying[/glow] than to achieve a peace that comes too soon or at too high a price for Kiev and the rest of Europe.” Zelensky, he said, should “keep fighting until Russia is completely defeated.”
BORIS JOHNSON’S MESSAGE TO UKRAINIANS ON APRIL 9, 2022: WE MUST CONTINUE THE WAR
On April 9, 2022, Boris Johnson arrived unannounced in Kiev and told the Ukrainian president that the West was not ready to end the war. According to Britain’s Guardian on April 28, PM Johnson had “instructed” Ukrainian President Zelensky “not to make any concessions to Putin”:
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Johnson brought two simple messages with him to Kiev. The first is that Putin is a war criminal; he should be pressured, not negotiated with. The second is that even if Ukraine is willing to sign some agreements with Putin on guarantees, but that the collective West is not.
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Johnson took the position that the collective West, which as recently as February had suggested that Zelensky should surrender and flee, now feels that Putin is not really as powerful as they had previously imagined. Moreover, there is an opportunity to put pressure on him. And the West wants to take it.”
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The Neue Züricher Zeitung (NZZ) reported on April 12 that the British government under Johnson is counting on a Ukrainian military victory. Conservative Member of the House of Commons Alicia Kearns said, “We’d rather arm the Ukrainians to the teeth than give Putin a success.” British Foreign Secretary (and later Prime Minister) Liz Truss professed in a keynote speech that “victory for Ukraine (…) is a strategic imperative for us all and therefore military support must be massively expanded”. Guardian columnist Simon Jenkins warned: “Liz Truss risks inflaming the war in Ukraine for her own ambitions.”
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Following his second visit to Kiev on April 25, 2022, U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin said the U.S. wants to use the opportunity to permanently weaken Russia militarily and economically in the wake of the Ukraine war. According to the New York Times, the U.S. government is no longer concerned with a fight over control of Ukraine, but with a fight against Moscow in the wake of a new Cold War.
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In his announcement of the partial mobilization, Putin stated on September 21, 2022:
“I would like to make this public for the first time today. After the start of the special military operation, especially after the talks in Istanbul, the Kiev representatives expressed quite positive views on our proposals. These proposals were mainly about ensuring Russia’s security and interests. But a peaceful solution obviously did not suit the West, which is why Kiev, after agreeing on some compromises, was actually ordered to nullify all these agreements.”
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This makes the Western intervention, which prevented an early end to the war, even more disastrous for Ukraine. Russia’s responsibility for the attack, which was contrary to international law, is not relativized by the fact that responsibility for the grave consequences that Ukraine’s Western supporters that ensued must also be attributed to the states that demanded the continuation of the war.
I know it's too long and most won't read but i feel it's very important to get to the root cause of the conflict and read the whole thing. Also published here https://michael-von-der-schulenburg.com/how-the-chance-was-lost-for-a-peace-settlement-of-the-ukraine-war/It's like creating a monster that gets out of your control. US seems to now want to backtrack and find a way out of this, but its Ukrainians who have been brainwashed a bit too much, now are the ones who are not ready to stop the bloodshed. Aren't you still interested in weakening Russia, cause we all are totally ready to die for that how do you stop that So first Putin was saying that agreement was almost reached with Ukraine at the start of the war, but west blocked it and told Ukraine to fight instead, but it was dismissed as propaganda, ok, fair enough. Then UN Assistant Secretary-General pretty much confirmed it, which was harder to dismiss. And now head of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky's political party, who was present at peace negotiations, pretty much confirmed it too. West didn't provide guarantees and told Ukraine to fight instead. Russia offered to end Moscow's invasion of Ukraine in the spring of 2022 if Ukraine agreed to drop its ambitions to join NATO, according to the head of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky's political party, who was present at peace negotiations.
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According to Arakhamia, however, there was a drafted peace agreement between Ukrainian and Russian negotiators early in the war. Arakhamia said that Moscow pledged to end the fighting if Ukraine's agreed to remain neutral and forego its bid to join NATO.
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"They were ready to end the war if we took...neutrality and made commitments that we would not join NATO. This was the key point," the Ukrainian official added.
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Russian officials have warned that fighting would only escalate if Ukraine was admitted into NATO, which would solidify Kyiv's alliances with Western countries like the United States and the United Kingdom.
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Elsewhere in the interview, Arakhamia brought up former U.K. Prime Minister Boris Johnson's surprise visit to Kyiv in April 2022. He said Johnson encouraged Ukraine to not "sign anything" with Russia and "just fight."
Since Ukraine's top military general Zaluzhnyi said that Ukraine is now in a stalemate, Zelenskiy sacked one of Zaluzhnyi's assistant, and another one received a grenade on his birthday and now Some in Zelenskyy’s party want to oust Zaluzhnyi..Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy is trying to shift the responsibility for failures during the war onto Zaluzhnyi and MP from Zelensky's party slams commander-in-chief, calls for his dismissalAnd now, ex-president of Ukraine is not allowed to leave Ukraine Poroshenko barred from leaving Ukraine over planned meeting with Orban and The Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) has accused former President Poroshenko of conspiring with Orbán on behalf of the Kremlin.Also, the other player Klitschko who was in opposition and from the infamous leak Nuland: Good. I don't think Klitsch should go into the government. I don't think it's necessary, I don't think it's a good idea. now says this Kyiv Mayor Vitali Klitschko has told Der Spiegel that Ukraine is moving towards authoritarianism, seemingly making a veiled criticism of President Volodymyr Zelensky...Despite being the mayor of Ukraine's capital, Klitschko said he hasn't talked to Zelensky since the full-scale invasion began. Now to the west, NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg warned that the Western military alliance should be ready for bad news from the Ukrainian front as Kyiv continues to defend against Russia's all-out invasion..."We should also be prepared for bad news,” Stoltenberg added, without being more specific. and Brown [US’s top general, Charles Q. Brown Jr chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff ]also said the US is working to shape the outcome of the war in Ukraine by providing aid to Kyiv, but said that military means alone won’t decide the outcome. “With any military conflict, you don’t solve it completely with military means,” he said. “It ends up with a diplomatic solution.”So at first pretty much all sides confirmed that west stopped Ukraine from signing the peace agreement with Russia. (West wouldn't provide guarantees and told Ukraine to just fight) now that it's starting to effect the "west" they started to send even less weapons to Ukraine and telling it to find a diplomatic solution. Guess no one really cares how to sell it to Ukrainian population now, not sure how you could put a positive spin on that, go ahead now you can sign the new agreement at even worse terms but your losses weren't in vain because you protected NATO (even though NATO was fine in 2013) |
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There seems to be a wave of celebrations in Crimea with lots of fireworks in the power infrastructure. But Ruzzis need to be more careful with smoke - they seem to have persistent problems with it, they have left half of the peninsula without power for quite a while! The weather in Moscow is peculiar, some strange type of icy rain has been spotted all around. One could even think that is not ice, but Ukrainian drones that are retaliating. Would that be possible? Would Ukraine now be able to retaliate blow for blow even in Moscow?
According to Ruzzia, all drones have been intercepted, that is such good news that you could even believe it. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-says-it-shoots-down-20-ukrainian-drones-moscow-attacked-2023-11-26/Russia says shoots down 24 Ukrainian drones
Russia says Ukraine fired missiles over Sea of Azov
Ukraine reported biggest Russian drone attack on Kyiv
Russian controlled region says energy system struck There seems to be also a big smoking accident in Chelyabinskyi - in a tank repair / upgrade factory. Would you think that was Ukraine? It is more than 1000 kilometres away from Ukraine... wow someone might say that is just an accident. https://mil.in.ua/en/news/blast-reported-at-russian-tank-engine-facility-chelyabinsk-tractor-plant-uraltrak/Ukraine said it shot down 74/75 drones, largest attack and then the next day... More than 2,000 settlements in central and southern Ukraine faced power cuts on Monday
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Central Kyiv and southern Odesa and Mykolaiv regions were the hardest hit by the power cuts, with 40,000 homes initially affected in Kyiv region, authorities said. By 6:30 p.m, more than 15,000 homes in the region were still without electricity.
So what does your theory say about loss of power if we follow your thought? If you follow my thought? Well, I am going to make an effort and imagine that you can even start to understand my thought, just as a theoretical exercise of course. Last winter Ruzzia send a wave a bad=ass missiles that targeted power infrastructure in Ukraine. They cause problems, although obviously Ukraine recovered well, and Ruzzis were very happy about it and nearly untouched. This year, Ruzzia has sent drones (much cheaper), with not even half of the destructive potential, much easier to intercept with cheap and abundant means. In exchange, the number of smoking incidents in Ruzzian war related installations is every day. I am not sure if they are as happy as last year... when a bully is kicked in the balls, tends to reconsider the situation. So.... yeah, my thought is that the Ruzzian army has to understand that smoking kills. As for the news... 15000 homes without power due to a winter storm, well... I guess the god of rain is into Ukraniophobia like you guys? Speaking of which... have you seen the fireworks in donesk? https://t.me/ssternenko/22906You are right, this has absolutely nothing to do with what i said, way beyond my abilities to even start to understand... Or just more parroting of unrelated propaganda about buzzing RF enough so they reconsider the situation and just decide to leave Ukraine. Just another cheap attempt at moral booster |
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There seems to be a wave of celebrations in Crimea with lots of fireworks in the power infrastructure. But Ruzzis need to be more careful with smoke - they seem to have persistent problems with it, they have left half of the peninsula without power for quite a while! The weather in Moscow is peculiar, some strange type of icy rain has been spotted all around. One could even think that is not ice, but Ukrainian drones that are retaliating. Would that be possible? Would Ukraine now be able to retaliate blow for blow even in Moscow?
According to Ruzzia, all drones have been intercepted, that is such good news that you could even believe it. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-says-it-shoots-down-20-ukrainian-drones-moscow-attacked-2023-11-26/Russia says shoots down 24 Ukrainian drones
Russia says Ukraine fired missiles over Sea of Azov
Ukraine reported biggest Russian drone attack on Kyiv
Russian controlled region says energy system struck There seems to be also a big smoking accident in Chelyabinskyi - in a tank repair / upgrade factory. Would you think that was Ukraine? It is more than 1000 kilometres away from Ukraine... wow someone might say that is just an accident. https://mil.in.ua/en/news/blast-reported-at-russian-tank-engine-facility-chelyabinsk-tractor-plant-uraltrak/Ukraine said it shot down 74/75 drones, largest attack and then the next day... More than 2,000 settlements in central and southern Ukraine faced power cuts on Monday
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Central Kyiv and southern Odesa and Mykolaiv regions were the hardest hit by the power cuts, with 40,000 homes initially affected in Kyiv region, authorities said. By 6:30 p.m, more than 15,000 homes in the region were still without electricity.
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Reuters November 24, 2023
Dutch minister says she hopes aid to Ukraine will continue despite election outcome
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Wilders, whose far-right Freedom Party (PVV) was the clear winner of national elections this week, has called for the withdrawal of support, saying the Netherlands needs the weapons it gives to Ukraine to be able to defend itself.
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"I hope and expect this will not change in the new parliament. But the PVV is now the largest party and they have never been enthusiastic about support to Ukraine. They have even been pro-Russia at times. So that has me worried."
Reuters November 24, 2023
Canada PM Trudeau says his main rival abandoning Ukraine due to Trump influence
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Canada's Liberal Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on Friday said his main political rival on the right was abandoning Ukraine under the influence of Donald Trump, the Republican frontrunner in next year's U.S. election.
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In a preliminary vote on Tuesday, all 109 Conservative lawmakers in the House of Commons opposed updated legislation for the free trade agreement between Canada and Ukraine, which received the unanimous support of all the other parties.
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Conservative leader Pierre Poilievre, who is leading in all polls, said his party did not support it because it would force Ukraine to adopt a carbon tax. The trade bill includes language that the two countries will "promote" carbon pricing and mitigation, but does not have provisions that force such a plan.
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"To see the Conservative Party of Canada decide not to support Ukraine with something they need with the absurd excuse that it's because Ukraine is going to put a price on pollution, is ridiculous," Trudeau told reporters in French at a news conference in Newfoundland.
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"The real story is the rise of a right-wing, American MAGA influence thinking that has made Canadian Conservatives, who used to be among the strongest defenders of Ukraine... turn their backs on something Ukraine needs in its hour of need," Trudeau said in English a little later, speaking after a meeting with top officials from the European Union.
Trump, who is seeking reelection in 2024 and is the leading candidate for his party's presidential nomination, has been sharply critical of U.S. support for Kyiv and has said he could end the war in 24 hours if re-elected.
And that's after election of "Slovakian Trump" Robert Fico and "Argentinian Trump" Javier Milei, clearly a trend for far-rights populists. Ukraine might turn into the biggest blunder for the collective "west". The times November 24 2023
US and Germany ‘pressing Kyiv to end war in Ukraine’
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The two largest states in Nato and Kyiv’s biggest military backers are said to be deliberately limiting arms deliveries to make it clear to President Zelensky that the conflict is now “frozen”.
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This week the US mission to Nato declared on Twitter/X that Washington would “continue to support [the Ukrainians] to be in the strongest possible position at the negotiating table when the time comes [for talks]”. It added: “We are focused on setting the conditions for a just, durable and sustainable peace.”
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The newspaper Bild said it had been told by a German government source that the aim was now to put Ukraine in a “strategically good negotiating position” from which it could open talks with the Kremlin about its “sovereignty and territorial integrity”.
The source was quoted as saying: “The White House and the [German] chancellery are consulting on this. Zelensky himself should conclude that it can’t go on, without any demands from the outside. Of his own accord he should look to his nation and explain that they have to negotiate . . . what Berlin and Washington are seeking as an alternative for negotiations is a frozen conflict without concord between the parties to the conflict.”
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However, Roderich Kiesewetter, a security policy expert and former army colonel from the opposition Christian Democratic Union party, said: “They are deliberately not delivering what Ukraine needs to liberate its occupied territory, such as Taurus, but rather limiting themselves to the defence of a rump Ukraine.”
Sure US and Germany want to negotiate now, but why would Putin want to negotiate now when EU might fall apart at the seams. We see a wave of ultra right nationalists winning all over the world, a prelude for November elections in US. This is a problem with escalations, you can get to a point where too much blood has been spilled for negotiations. It's amazing how bad they managed to fuck things up, Nuland's cookies will be in all history books. |
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... Only 41% support sending weapons to Ukraine (you can imagine the spread between democrats and republicans). Reuters/Ipsos poll November 15, 2023:
41% of people answering the poll said they backed sending weapons to Ukraine in its fight against a nearly 21-month-old Russian invasion, compared to 32% who were opposed and the rest unsure. When it came to Ukraine, support for sending weapons was stronger among Democrats. Even if US politicians approve more funding to Ukraine for another month or two (as i fully expect) what will happen after that when population just doesn't support it? Any example in history you can think of where with time support for funding war in US grew? But even if we assume the current president and his party just decides to totally ignore the will of the people, what do you think will happen on the election day in 12months? Well then I guess you have to put your hopes in a Republican win, because if let's say - just as approximation exercise - all Republicans are against sending support then around 80% of democrats are in favour to get to around a 40% total... Looks to me like a democrat government would continue sending aid. To be honest, a Republican government may easily find a excuse to keep up the support to some extent. About the republican win, Trump is a possible winner, however there is an Elephant in the room - he is undergoing several trials (more info below, there is a thread in the forum for this, so I am only mentioning the basics to avoid off-topic walltexts by you-know-who. 2 felony counts (including one conspiracy count) of obstructing an official proceeding under 18 U.S.C. § 1512 | 1 felony count of conspiracy to defraud the United States under 18 U.S.C. § 371 | 1 felony count of conspiracy against rights under 18 U.S.C. § 241 Many of Trump supporters and donors are really trying very hard to ignore this - even on the grounds that Trump can "pardon himself". This is far from being a certainty, it is more in the area of wishful thinking. https://www.politico.com/interactives/2023/trump-criminal-investigations-cases-tracker-list/#:~:text=Former%20President%20Donald%20Trump%20has,impeding%20efforts%20to%20retrieve%20them. ... In New York, he faces 34 felony counts in connection with hush money payments to a porn star. In Florida, he faces 40 felony counts for hoarding classified documents and impeding efforts to retrieve them. In Washington, D.C., he faces four felony counts for his efforts to overturn the 2020 election. And in Georgia, he faces 13 felony counts for his election interference in that state. Now the Republicans, could present another candidate last minute or try another coup-d'etat, but again, this is all but unclear. Since you like the polls, you may also like this one: This mixed bag is hardly catastrophic for Trump. But if he is convicted of a felony, the polling suggests it would be very bad for him. A Quinnipiac poll back in August found that 68 percent of people think someone convicted of a felony shouldn’t be eligible to be president. A Reuters/Ipsos poll found that that 45 percent of Republicans say they wouldn’t vote for him if he were convicted of a felony by a jury. https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/11/09/trump-legal-troubles-2024-campaign-column-00126180With the country so divided, a felony conviction may be all it is needed. And looks likely. Forty-one percent of Americans overall say the U.S. is doing too much, which has risen from 24% in August 2022 and 29% in June 2023. Thirty-three percent, down from 43% in June, say the U.S. is doing the right amount, while 25% believe the U.S. isn’t doing enough.
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Both Republicans (62%) and independents (44%) increasingly see the U.S. as doing too much to support Ukraine
Supporting Ukraine is just unpopular and (unsurprisingly) getting even more unpopular with time. Even if majority of democrat fraction still supports sending aid for now, it's not like Biden can totally disregard the other side and overall majority. Even if Biden does win, don't forget that there's also congress that approves the budget, which as we see now currently didn't approve additional aid to Ukraine. Again, look at literally EVERY single prolonged conflict and look at levels of US support vs. time, nothing new here, that's why everyone says that it'll benefit Russia. As far as Trump, I think not letting him run is probably the worst option. Like it or not, a lot of people fanatically like him. And I'm sure everyone remembers what happened when he actually lost elections. Now imagine what would happen if he's the most popular candidate, yet they wouldn't even allow him to run on a technicality. Yeah I'm sure his supports will just calmly accept unpopular Biden as their president then  And don't forget, DeSantis the second in line republican after Trump is also against sending more aid to Ukraine. Michael von der Schulenburg is a former UN Assistant Secretary-General, who worked for over 34 years for the United Nations
Hajo Funke is Professor Emeritus for political sciences of the Otto-Suhr-Institute/ Freie University Berlin
General (ret.) Harald Kujat was the highest ranging German officer of the Bundeswehr and at NATO
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Just one month after the start of the Russian military intervention in Ukraine, Ukrainian and Russian negotiators had come very close to an agreement for a ceasefire and to an outline for a comprehensive peace solution to the conflict.
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Contrary to Western interpretations, Ukraine and Russia agreed at the time that the planned NATO expansion was the reason for the war. They therefore focused their peace negotiations on Ukraine’s neutrality and its renunciation of NATO membership. In return, Ukraine would have retained its territorial integrity except for Crimea.
There is little doubt that these peace negotiations failed due to resistance from NATO and in particular from the USA and the UK. The reasons is that such a peace agreement would have been tantamount to a defeat for NATO, an end to NATO’s eastward expansion and thus an end to the dream of a unipolar world dominated by the USA.
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The failure of the peace negotiations in March 2022 led to dangerous intensification of the war that has cost the lives of hundreds of thousands of people...Not only Russia, but also NATO and the West bear a heavy share of the blame for this disaster.
Ukraine’s negotiating position today is far worse than it was in March 2022. Ukraine will now lose large parts of its territory.
The blocking of the peace negotiations at that time has harmed everyone: Russia and Europe – but above all the people of Ukraine, who are paying with their blood the price for the ambitions of the major powers and will probably get nothing in return.
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However, instead of ending the war through negotiations as Ukrainian President Zelensky and his government appeared to have wanted, he ultimately bowed to pressures from some Western powers to abandon a negotiated solution. Western powers wanted this war to continue in the hope to break Russia.
...In the conversation in the Kremlin, Putin, Bennett [ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER] said, had made some substantial concessions, in particular, he had renounced his original wartime goal of demilitarizing Ukraine. … .In return, the Ukrainian president agreed to renounce joining NATO – a position he also repeated publicly a short time later.
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In the interview, Bennett explained further: “I had the impression at the time that both sides were very interested in a ceasefire (…). According to Bennett, a cease-fire was within reach at that time, and both sides were prepared to make considerable concessions…. But Britain and the U.S., in particular, wanted this peace process to end and set their sights on a continuation of the war.” (Ibid)
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Like Bennet, also he [former German Chancellor Gerhard Schröder] came to the conclusion that the reason why these peace negotiations were abandoned was because the Americans obstructed them. He said: “At the peace negotiations in March 2022 in Istanbul with Rustem Umerov (then security advisor to Zelensky, now Ukrainian defense minister), the Ukrainians did not agree to peace because they were not allowed to. They first had to ask the Americans about everything they discussed,” and continued: “But at the end (of the peace negotiations) nothing happened. My impression was that nothing could happen because everything else was decided in Washington. That was fatal.”
The Turkish Foreign Minister, Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu, who organized the Istanbul meeting at the time, had previously made similar comments. In an interview with CNN Turk on April 20, 2022, he said: “Some NATO states wanted the Ukraine conflict to continue in order to weaken Russia.”
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But this initial support quickly turned sour, with NATO opposing any such negotiations before Russia doesn’t withdraws all its troops from Ukrainian territories. This, in fact, killed all negotiations. Michael von der Schulenburg, former UN Assistant Secretary-General (ASG) in UN peace missions, writes that “NATO had already decided at a special summit on March 24, 2022, not to support these peace negotiations (between Ukraine and Russia).” (Cf. Michael von der Schulenburg: UN Charter: Negotiations! In: Emma, March 6, 2023). The US president had flown in especially for this special summit to Brussels. Obviously, peace as negotiated by the Russian and Ukrainian negotiating delegations was not in the interest of some NATO countries.
AT FIRST ZELENSKY STICKS TO THE OUTCOME OF THE PEACE NEGOTIATIONS
“As late as March 27, 2022, Zelensky had shown the courage to defend the results of the Ukrainian-Russian peace negotiations in public before Russian journalists – and this despite the fact that NATO had already decided at a special summit on March 24, 2022, not to support these peace negotiations.” (Ibid)
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The Washington Post reported April 5 that in NATO, continuing the war is preferred to a cease-fire and negotiated settlement: “[yellow=red,2,300]For some in NATO, it’s better for Ukrainians to keep fighting and dying[/glow] than to achieve a peace that comes too soon or at too high a price for Kiev and the rest of Europe.” Zelensky, he said, should “keep fighting until Russia is completely defeated.”
BORIS JOHNSON’S MESSAGE TO UKRAINIANS ON APRIL 9, 2022: WE MUST CONTINUE THE WAR
On April 9, 2022, Boris Johnson arrived unannounced in Kiev and told the Ukrainian president that the West was not ready to end the war. According to Britain’s Guardian on April 28, PM Johnson had “instructed” Ukrainian President Zelensky “not to make any concessions to Putin”:
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Johnson brought two simple messages with him to Kiev. The first is that Putin is a war criminal; he should be pressured, not negotiated with. The second is that even if Ukraine is willing to sign some agreements with Putin on guarantees, but that the collective West is not.
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Johnson took the position that the collective West, which as recently as February had suggested that Zelensky should surrender and flee, now feels that Putin is not really as powerful as they had previously imagined. Moreover, there is an opportunity to put pressure on him. And the West wants to take it.”
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The Neue Züricher Zeitung (NZZ) reported on April 12 that the British government under Johnson is counting on a Ukrainian military victory. Conservative Member of the House of Commons Alicia Kearns said, “We’d rather arm the Ukrainians to the teeth than give Putin a success.” British Foreign Secretary (and later Prime Minister) Liz Truss professed in a keynote speech that “victory for Ukraine (…) is a strategic imperative for us all and therefore military support must be massively expanded”. Guardian columnist Simon Jenkins warned: “Liz Truss risks inflaming the war in Ukraine for her own ambitions.”
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Following his second visit to Kiev on April 25, 2022, U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin said the U.S. wants to use the opportunity to permanently weaken Russia militarily and economically in the wake of the Ukraine war. According to the New York Times, the U.S. government is no longer concerned with a fight over control of Ukraine, but with a fight against Moscow in the wake of a new Cold War.
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In his announcement of the partial mobilization, Putin stated on September 21, 2022:
“I would like to make this public for the first time today. After the start of the special military operation, especially after the talks in Istanbul, the Kiev representatives expressed quite positive views on our proposals. These proposals were mainly about ensuring Russia’s security and interests. But a peaceful solution obviously did not suit the West, which is why Kiev, after agreeing on some compromises, was actually ordered to nullify all these agreements.”
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This makes the Western intervention, which prevented an early end to the war, even more disastrous for Ukraine. Russia’s responsibility for the attack, which was contrary to international law, is not relativized by the fact that responsibility for the grave consequences that Ukraine’s Western supporters that ensued must also be attributed to the states that demanded the continuation of the war.
I know it's too long and most won't read but i feel it's very important to get to the root cause of the conflict and read the whole thing. Also published here https://michael-von-der-schulenburg.com/how-the-chance-was-lost-for-a-peace-settlement-of-the-ukraine-war/It's like creating a monster that gets out of your control. US seems to now want to backtrack and find a way out of this, but its Ukrainians who have been brainwashed a bit too much, now are the ones who are not ready to stop the bloodshed. Aren't you still interested in weakening Russia, cause we all are totally ready to die for that how do you stop that |
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... ... ... Enough of the fakes  https://data2.unhcr.org/en/situations/ukraine/location?secret=unhcrrestricted as of 31 December 2022 1.275.315 refugees from Ukraine went to Russia. We've already been through this, so you're well aware and can't claim ignorance, yet you continue to post fakes and pictures with some pretty colors. Stop it already [moderator's note: multiple posts have been merged]Really? You speaking of fakes??? The king of the walltexting and irrelevance? Please enlighten us, where did Ukrainians fled? Because your map shows how Ruzzia says that lots of Ukrainian fled there, it is there in your own source when you bother to read (what international observation do you think that has? do you think that Ruzzia may... you know... have some incentives to "record in an imaginative way" the number of Ukrainians in Ruzzia and Beloruzzia? This is what your own source says about the information provided: Statistics are compiled mainly from data provided by authorities. For statistical purposes, UNHCR uses the term refugees generically, referring to all individuals having left Ukraine due to the war. UNHCR’s means of verification and level of access to refugees from Ukraine varies by country. - TRANSLATION: do not believe shit of what comes from Ruzzia, but we cannot say that openly. [...] Look up which country has the largest Ukrainian diaspora, with which country Ukrainians had the most transnational marriages, look at the dates on your picture (only one week! Feb. 24 - Mar. 3), finally look at the following https://www.statista.com/statistics/1312584/ukrainian-refugees-by-country/https://www.bbc.com/news/world-60555472So stop spreading fakes! Saying fake does not make it fake. You stated that I gave wrong information on the destination of Ukrainian refugees, you based you accusation on a report that clearly states that the data is given by the countries - Ruzzia giving data about Ukrainians in Ruzzia. Hail to the king of oversized pictures, meaningless walltext and random accusations - and it is not the first time.. more like it is everytime you write And now you move the goalposts to say something completely different - that there are many Ukrainians living in Ruzzia. Sorry you cannot escape your own shit this time: you are a declared troll and a shame for your handlers in the trollfarm. Seriously, try Tweeter (now X) they are super happy to have people like you. https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fuk-60652914&psig=AOvVaw2kwa2SWzxRpWsyBaf_Ow3o&ust=1700271783887000&source=images&cd=vfe&opi=89978449&ved=0CBQQjhxqFwoTCPDjyY_0yYIDFQAAAAAdAAAAABAEEven the sources that give some credit to Ruzzia's data still declare more refugees going elsewhere: https://www.visualcapitalist.com/cp/mapped-ukrainian-refugee-destinations/This is just hilarious, so to back up your claim and undermine mine, you indirectly cite same source as me [ Source: UNHCR (United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees)] just from 20 month ago, only 10 days into the conflict. So you believe data from UNHCR on 7 March 2022 but not on 14 November 2023 Swing...and a miss https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-60652914 Date: 7 March 2022Furthermore, even your second link https://www.visualcapitalist.com/cp/mapped-ukrainian-refugee-destinations/ clearly shows 2,852,395 Ukrainian refugees went to Russia and state: The largest share of refugees at 35% have actually gone directly to Russia.As far as your claim of moving the goal posts, I was just trying to logically explain the data. If you had your family or your wife was from country X and you spoke that language, which country would you most likely run to if you had to?
There is definitely something happening neat the dnipro. I mean something that is not Ruzzis shelling a hospital and randomly killing civilians.
Yes...Ukraine is bringing light infantry over, without artillery and tank support, and Russians are massacring them Gallipoli style Quote of the day: John Kirby: “You can't start planning for long-term support if you're at the end of your rope. And in financing Ukraine we are coming to the end of the rope. Today we announced $200 million and we will continue to help Ukraine as much as we can, but it won’t be indefinitely.” Sure... that must be it. Nothing to worry about then. Oh... yes please, just place your hopes in the rope not being long enough and on Kirby saying the truth instead of something politically convenient. This is a list of people that were also counting on the US an NATO running out of rope. Somehow it turned out that the rope was long long long... and enough to hang them all. Are you implying that Kirby lied? These are damn hard times for Ukraine, Congress voted for a temporary budget to avoid a shutdown, the Senate supported it, which means Biden will sign it too. Now the next moment when it will be possible to even simply raise the issue of allocating US money to Ukraine will come no earlier than in two months. Meanwhile, Russia entered Avdeevka from the north and south simultaneously. Are you still concerned about the situation near the Dnieper? Are you implying that I am implying? Look, we agree on this one, these are very hard times for Ukraine an this is the moment that will define if the US is a trustable ally that can hold their ground on foreign politics at least for once. The US walked on many in the past, but there's no way the US reputation as a nation of power is undone if they decide to back-off. The US choice, but choices have long term consequences and costs. I am not concerned about the situation in the dnieper, why should I? Ruzzia has not entered Avdiivka yet, however the most interesting spot of Avdiivka is not in the ruins, but in the heights and in fortifications. I wonder how many Ruzzian soldiers and equipment may die to get a foothold in Zenit. Avdiivka is not under Ruzzian control, but it is obvious that if the psychos decide to "spend" 50.000 soldiers lives and another 300 tanks there, they might take it. Only 41% support sending weapons to Ukraine (you can imagine the spread between democrats and republicans). Reuters/Ipsos poll November 15, 2023:
41% of people answering the poll said they backed sending weapons to Ukraine in its fight against a nearly 21-month-old Russian invasion, compared to 32% who were opposed and the rest unsure. When it came to Ukraine, support for sending weapons was stronger among Democrats. Even if US politicians approve more funding to Ukraine for another month or two (as i fully expect) what will happen after that when population just doesn't support it? Any example in history you can think of where with time support for funding war in US grew? But even if we assume the current president and his party just decides to totally ignore the will of the people, what do you think will happen on the election day in 12months? |
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Feels like there will be some official release soon, so to minimize it's impact they decided to front run it by leaking some story and pinning September 2022 sabotage attack on a scapegoat who conveniently has already been arrested since April 2023 for acting without permission in another operation. Also, as an added benefit, the story throws Zaluzhnyy under the bus while protecting Zelensky (makes it sound he doesn't control what's going on in his own country). More ammo to dismiss Ukraine's top general Zaluzhnyy for saying that Ukraine is in a stalemate now.
Or maybe the reporting is accurate and a small group of Ukrainians went rogue and blew up the pipeline without zelenskys approval or knowledge.
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In June 2022, the Dutch military intelligence agency, the MIVD, obtained information that Ukraine might be planning to attack Nord Stream. Officials at the CIA relayed to Zaluzhny through an intermediary that the United States opposed such an operation, according to people familiar with those conversations.You really think that a story that after receiving billions in military aid, apparently there are rogue groups in Ukraine's top military command that freely smuggled kilos of high explosives back into EU, blew up EU critical civilian infrastructure, and Ukraine has no control or even knowledge of them, really sounds more believable than the story about aliens?  If after warning of such event from EU intelligence agency, they would've found a colonel (just second away from highest-ranking military officer) in Russia’s special operations forces was integral to the sabotage of NS as claimed by people familiar with planning, and after jailing him since April, Russia would just claim ignorance and put blame on a rogue group, you would totally believe that too, right? I guess next we should all expect full cooperation from Ukraine and extradition of everyone involved to Germany so they could be interrogated and stand the trial there, but something telling me that aliens will prevent that from happening too.
... ... Enough of the fakes https://data2.unhcr.org/en/situations/ukraine/location?secret=unhcrrestricted as of 31 December 2022 1.275.315 refugees from Ukraine went to Russia. We've already been through this, so you're well aware and can't claim ignorance, yet you continue to post fakes and pictures with some pretty colors. Stop it already [moderator's note: multiple posts have been merged]Really? You speaking of fakes??? The king of the walltexting and irrelevance? Please enlighten us, where did Ukrainians fled? Because your map shows how Ruzzia says that lots of Ukrainian fled there, it is there in your own source when you bother to read (what international observation do you think that has? do you think that Ruzzia may... you know... have some incentives to "record in an imaginative way" the number of Ukrainians in Ruzzia and Beloruzzia? This is what your own source says about the information provided: Statistics are compiled mainly from data provided by authorities. For statistical purposes, UNHCR uses the term refugees generically, referring to all individuals having left Ukraine due to the war. UNHCR’s means of verification and level of access to refugees from Ukraine varies by country. - TRANSLATION: do not believe shit of what comes from Ruzzia, but we cannot say that openly. In your considered opinion, what kind of access do you think Ruzzia gives to the people preparing these reports? You cannot even read your own sources and interpret or be critic about an information as simple as this, yet is enough for you to call "fake" of course ,but your credibility on that is down the drain anyway - just your other major in Troll School along oversized pictures, wall-texting and missing the point - you have shown mastery on the skills here, your handlers must be proud. Furthermore Have you also noticed where it says that Ruzzia gives their number of total Ukrainian living in Ruzzia under ANY status? Have you noticed that they have no data on border crossings? Have you noticed that even Ruzzia says only 65400 (curiously round number uh??) are refugees? The figure could include almost anything! Even people in the fake-publics of donbas, people living in there since 40 years ago, people who have a granma in Ukraine... . You should try tweeter... it is much easy to smear in short sentences. Look up which country has the largest Ukrainian diaspora, with which country Ukrainians had the most transnational marriages, look at the dates on your picture (only one week! Feb. 24 - Mar. 3), finally look at the following https://www.statista.com/statistics/1312584/ukrainian-refugees-by-country/https://www.bbc.com/news/world-60555472So stop spreading fakes! |
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To me it does not make much sense to blame Russia for the destruction of the North stream pipeline, to be honest. After the beginning of the invasion of Ukraine, the Klemlin probably wanted to use such pipeline as leverage and manipulate the involvement of Germany and the rest of the west Europe into the the war, but it did not happened because it got blown up by some agency.
To me it is pretty reasonable to believe that act was carried out by either the United States of Ukraine, in order to minimize the manipulation or Power Russia could have had over the politics of west Europe.
Regardless who did it, I would say their plan went as planned and Germany as started to seek for other energy alternatives away from the Russian Gas and petroleum.
If It was Ukraine itself which did it, I would assume they only did so under the authorization of the American CIA
You mean now you're not buying the story that Russia removed its leverage by blowing up its own pipelines anymore? Sabotage on critical EU infrastructure can technically be considered an act of war. Scholz is trying to downplay it as much as he can, but it's costing him in ratings, his party is now in the third place in Germany and ultra right AfD is now in second place and growing, looks like Germans don't appreciate others blowing up their critical infrastructure. Next everyone will act surprised at the rise of ultra-rights in EU, who could've possibly predicted that deceiving your population can have negative consequences and that there is no such thing as a free lunch!?! **shocked** But i guess with such coverage there are really only two options left, either just continue denial, or try to throw a positive spin on it somehow Washington post- Ukrainian military officer coordinated Nord Stream pipeline attack
Roman Chervinsky, a colonel in Ukraine’s special operations forces, was integral to the brazen sabotage operation, say people familiar with planning
A senior Ukrainian military officer with deep ties to the country’s intelligence services played a central role in the bombing of the Nord Stream natural gas pipelines last year, according to officials in Ukraine and elsewhere in Europe, as well as other people knowledgeable about the details of the covert operation.
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Chervinsky did not act alone, and he did not plan the operation, according to the people familiar with his role, which has not been previously reported. The officer took orders from more senior Ukrainian officials, who ultimately reported to Gen. Valery Zaluzhny, Ukraine’s highest-ranking military officer, said people familiar with how the operation was carried out.
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Since Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, Chervinsky had been serving in a unit of Ukraine’s special operations forces and was focused on resistance activity in areas of the country occupied by Russia, people familiar with his assignments said. He reported to Maj. Gen. Viktor Hanushchak, a seasoned and respected officer, who communicated directly with Zaluzhny.
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Chervinsky is being held in a Kyiv jail on charges that he abused his power stemming from a plot to lure a Russian pilot to defect to Ukraine in July 2022. Authorities allege that Chervinsky, who was arrested in April, acted without permission and that the operation gave away the coordinates of a Ukrainian airfield, prompting a Russian rocket attack that killed a soldier and injured 17 others.
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He calls his arrest and prosecution political retribution for his criticism of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and his administration. Chervinsky has said publicly that he suspects Andriy Yermak, one of Zelensky’s closest advisers, of spying for Russia. He has also accused the Zelensky administration of failing to sufficiently prepare the country for Russia’s invasion.
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But the Nord Stream operation was designed to keep Zelensky out of the loop, people familiar with the operation said.
“All of those involved in planning and execution reported directly to [chief of defense] Zaluzhnyy, so Zelensky wouldn’t have known about it,” according to intelligence reporting obtained by the CIA that was allegedly shared by Jack Teixeira, a member of the Massachusetts Air National Guard, on the Discord chat platform.
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In June 2022, the Dutch military intelligence agency, the MIVD, obtained information that Ukraine might be planning to attack Nord Stream. Officials at the CIA relayed to Zaluzhny through an intermediary that the United States opposed such an operation, according to people familiar with those conversations.
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Key elements of the plan, including the number of people on the bombing team, as well as the use of a rented boat, diving equipment and fake identities, remained the same.
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The Dutch military intelligence service also reported to the Americans that the Ukrainians planned an attack on another pipeline in the Black Sea, called TurkStream. It’s not clear why that operation was never carried out.
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Some of those who described Chervinsky’s participation in the Nord Stream attack defended the veteran intelligence officer as acting in Ukraine’s best interests. They argued that bombing the pipelines helped to keep Russia from filling its coffers from natural gas sales and deprived Putin of a means to use the flow of natural gas for political leverage.
Feels like there will be some official release soon, so to minimize it's impact they decided to front run it by leaking some story and pinning September 2022 sabotage attack on a scapegoat who conveniently has already been arrested since April 2023 for acting without permission in another operation. Also, as an added benefit, the story throws Zaluzhnyy under the bus while protecting Zelensky (makes it sound he doesn't control what's going on in his own country). More ammo to dismiss Ukraine's top general Zaluzhnyy for saying that Ukraine is in a stalemate now. |
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Actually none of what you said justifies the invasion. If Ukrainians had attacked Kursk region in February 2022 and killed 1000+ Russian civilians in farms and concerts then I could at least see how one could come up with some sort of comparison between Gaza and Ukraine... except in your parallel universe both Gaza AND Russia are the good guys LOL. Looks like you're... what's the Russian saying, stretching an owl over a globe? Which of the multiple global invasions involving US you feel were justified? Ah, right i forgot 'For my friends, everything; for my enemies, the law'. Ukraine can abstain on the UN vote to end US embargo on Cuba, but Russia and China shouldn't have any national interest in the countries bordering them. And then everyone acts shocked when Russia and China don't wish to play by such rules. Israel killed more innocent humans during one month in Gaza Strip with a population of 2,3MM (half of which are children) then Russia did in Ukraine over 1,5+yrs of war in Ukraine. All of that under the guise of two US aircraft carriers and a nuclear submarine, but it's only Putin who has blood on his hands. Sorry to bust your bubble, but the world isn't fair, and setting precedents just paves the way for others. ~ The flaw in your thinking is that if Russia/Putin has enough strength to do what you say, they certainly have enough strength to win the war... easily win the war. Then why don't they win it? They are simply not of the mindset to destroy their Ukrainian 'relatives'. After all, the reason they entered Ukraine in the first place was to save their brothers and sisters in Donetsk and the Donbas. The war isn't against Ukraine. It's against the everlasting encroachment of the US, Nato, and the Federal Reserve banking system.  No this is a war in which Ruzzia has tried to topple a democracy and then invaded Ukraines sovereign borders - and before that they had been financing terror in the donbas. There is no liberation of any kind. The narrative about brotherhood and liberation is false. Putin's money created a proxy war / frozen conflict where there was nothing but people living peacefully. How does a dictator free you for anything other than becoming his slave? Putin cannot finish the war, he can simply cause as much destruction and innocent deaths as possible, that is what is left for him to avoid an internal coup (another?). The narrative about "goodwill" gestures is another sack of shit. It is just impossible to believe any of those arguments by simply looking at the basic facts, this is just for Republicans that are trying to justify another Trump term. Sure hey, I agree, he does not have enough strength to invade Poland and not even enough strength to win over Ukraine - but that is as long as the US, EU an Ukraine actually do something to stop him. Bullies that get their nose punched do not come back for more. You let them their way, they come back again and again. I truly suspect that not all of what Putin and his cronies are doing is honorable. But it is far more honorable than Zelensky and HIS cronies. After all, the whole voting scheme in the Ukraine was manipulated by the US. You can tell by the millions of Ukrainians who fled to Russia for salvation from the Zelensky group. Democracy is simply a more complex, group Dictatorship. In this case, it is being used by the US to attempt to bring Russia down through Ukraine. All of what Russia is doing is simply self-protection. You are entirely missing what is going on... or you are a US/Nato/Ukraine propagandist. And the big thing you are trying to hide is your contradiction regarding the war. If Russia has enough strength to do the things that you accuse them of, they certainly have enough strength to win the war by force, easily... if their goal was to simply destroy Ukraine. You suspect that Putin & Co are not honorable? Well, I can confirm. https://www.osce.org/odihr/548662arbitrary imprisonment and enforced disappearances of civilians living in areas under occupation are occurring with alarming frequency, with widespread reports of the use of torture and ill-treatment, the OSCE Office for Democratic Institutions and Human Rights (ODIHR) So, you have read or heard somewhere that Ukrainians mostly went to Ruzzia. I can rebate that: https://geopoliticalfutures.com/ukrainians-take-flight/ So... most of them to Poland, final destination. About the dictatorship of a group, I cannot comment. The allegations of fraud in US have not ever been supported nor any proof has been made available to the justice. So... I somehow have the feeling that you are ok with dictators, like Putin, as long as they are your dictators. I think that what you feel about the fed & the US federal government is pretty much one tenth of what Ukrainians and many Russians have to endure everyday of their lives. But you somehow are absolutely ok with THEM suffering it. Enough of the fakes https://data2.unhcr.org/en/situations/ukraine/location?secret=unhcrrestricted as of 31 December 2022 1.275.315 refugees from Ukraine went to Russia. We've already been through this, so you're well aware and can't claim ignorance, yet you continue to post fakes and pictures with some pretty colors. Stop it already [moderator's note: multiple posts have been merged] |
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