I detect some cognitive disorder, do you read what you type? Even if we try to follow your logic, you do realize that "most" means over 50% right?
Actually 'most' just means the greatest amount, which doesn't necessarily mean over 50%. If you have 5 apples, BADecker has 6 apples, and I have 7 apples...I have less than 50% of the apples, but still the most. That being said, I think more than 50% of Russians revere the Soviet Union. Up until recently (when Putin went all Stalin) I believe Stalin had a higher approval rating than Putin, in the high 70% area. That would almost be like Hitler having a higher approval rating than Angela Merkel in Germany with the main difference being their evil sociopath that murdered 10's of millions of innocent people lost the war while Russia won the war. Haha you're really fishing here, you mention it and yet claimed yourself that you don't believe that such definition (for non binary choice) is applicable here  "A" for the effort! I mean right, we forgot all about the support for the head of Red army Trotsky (who was Ukrainian btw) Ha you're really fishing there. Trosky died almost 100 years ago. We're talking about Russians still idolizing Stalin today. They died just 13 years apart. But yeah that was sarcasm about Trotsky in case someone else missed it |
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I detect some cognitive disorder, do you read what you type? Even if we try to follow your logic, you do realize that "most" means over 50% right?
Actually 'most' just means the greatest amount, which doesn't necessarily mean over 50%. If you have 5 apples, BADecker has 6 apples, and I have 7 apples...I have less than 50% of the apples, but still the most. That being said, I think more than 50% of Russians revere the Soviet Union. Up until recently (when Putin went all Stalin) I believe Stalin had a higher approval rating than Putin, in the high 70% area. That would almost be like Hitler having a higher approval rating than Angela Merkel in Germany with the main difference being their evil sociopath that murdered 10's of millions of innocent people lost the war while Russia won the war. Haha you're really fishing here, you mention it and yet claimed yourself that you don't believe that such definition (for non binary choice) is applicable here "A" for the effort! I mean right, we forgot all about the support for the head of Red army Trotsky (who was Ukrainian btw)
No fallacy. He meant to say that most Russians revere the Soviet Union and its leaders despite the fact that the Soviet leaders were genocidal maniacs, including the current one.
How can you support the prison of nations, the Soviet Union, or its current reincarnation, the 'Russian' Federation is beyond me.
The 'Russian Federation', is not exactly Russian, and it is not a federation. More like a Russian empire where non-Slavic 'Russians'
are second-class citizens, their populations are systematically destroyed and Russified.
Take down Stalin/Soviet monuments across Russia, then we'll talk. Until then, иди нa xyй co cвoeй PФ.
Your dim-witted reply (however unintentional) brings up a great point, people are quick to call for Putin to step down, be removed, assassinated etc... and they just seem to assume through their ignorance, and are fed by propaganda that the alternative would be some green liberal non-existent party. But as you pointed out yourself there are still a ton of Russians that still revere the Soviet Union, and besides some puppet parties, the next real alternative is a communist party. No one ever mentions how Putin is the centrist as the alternative might very well be a communist party. Who wins then?? “It’s a war, not a special operation. We need a general mobilization,” said Gennady Andreyevich Zyuganov, the leader of the Communist Party https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putins-entourage-demands-full-mobilization-for-the-war-in-ukraine/ar-AA11POYh to eliminate all the unhinged Soviet sympathizers. Dugin or Medvedev types would start a nuclear war way back when they failed to take Kyiv. I agree with you that Putin is a moderate genocidal maniac. I think he is delusional in his assessment of the situation and the pandora box that he unleashed. He still believes that this war was not a mistake. He still feels that he is doing great things for mother Russia. He probably thinks that he can secure a land bridge to Crimea and the whole world will walk away. If I were him, I would ask myself this: "and then what?" This thing will end in a complete breakup of Russia, with or without a nuclear winter. PS. Russia is full of psychopaths who need to be eliminated or heavily medicated, sooner or later. I detect some cognitive disorder, do you read what you type? Even if we try to follow your logic, you do realize that "most" means over 50% right? And then you call for a revolution? So what do you think happens during revolutions where majority supports "genocidal maniacs" as you claim? C'mon count with me, you can do it 2+2 =  Or are your mass murdering tendencies implying that you're proposing to physically eliminate half of Russia now?? What happens during revolutions? When they start nothing can stop them, regardless of how many dominos are standing (silent majority). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbjko3M0JT4Swing and a miss, or rather not even a swing. No attempt at addressing the underlying issue at all, bravo! Keep pushing the mantra that revolution in RU can only bring US/EU aligned leadership, all while arguing the exact opposite yourself. |
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No fallacy. He meant to say that most Russians revere the Soviet Union and its leaders despite the fact that the Soviet leaders were genocidal maniacs, including the current one.
How can you support the prison of nations, the Soviet Union, or its current reincarnation, the 'Russian' Federation is beyond me.
The 'Russian Federation', is not exactly Russian, and it is not a federation. More like a Russian empire where non-Slavic 'Russians'
are second-class citizens, their populations are systematically destroyed and Russified.
Take down Stalin/Soviet monuments across Russia, then we'll talk. Until then, иди нa xyй co cвoeй PФ.
Your dim-witted reply (however unintentional) brings up a great point, people are quick to call for Putin to step down, be removed, assassinated etc... and they just seem to assume through their ignorance, and are fed by propaganda that the alternative would be some green liberal non-existent party. But as you pointed out yourself there are still a ton of Russians that still revere the Soviet Union, and besides some puppet parties, the next real alternative is a communist party. No one ever mentions how Putin is the centrist as the alternative might very well be a communist party. Who wins then?? “It’s a war, not a special operation. We need a general mobilization,” said Gennady Andreyevich Zyuganov, the leader of the Communist Party https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putins-entourage-demands-full-mobilization-for-the-war-in-ukraine/ar-AA11POYh to eliminate all the unhinged Soviet sympathizers. Dugin or Medvedev types would start a nuclear war way back when they failed to take Kyiv. I agree with you that Putin is a moderate genocidal maniac. I think he is delusional in his assessment of the situation and the pandora box that he unleashed. He still believes that this war was not a mistake. He still feels that he is doing great things for mother Russia. He probably thinks that he can secure a land bridge to Crimea and the whole world will walk away. If I were him, I would ask myself this: "and then what?" This thing will end in a complete breakup of Russia, with or without a nuclear winter. PS. Russia is full of psychopaths who need to be eliminated or heavily medicated, sooner or later. I detect some cognitive disorder, do you read what you type? Even if we try to follow your logic, you do realize that "most" means over 50% right? And then you call for a revolution? So what do you think happens during revolutions where majority supports "genocidal maniacs" as you claim? C'mon count with me, you can do it 2+2 = Or are your mass murdering tendencies implying that you're proposing to physically eliminate half of Russia now??
From your link: "
In May, when Washington ordered 1,300 Stinger anti-air missiles to replace those sent to Ukraine, the chief executive of Raytheon, the defence company that makes them, replied: “It’s going to take us a little bit of time.”
"So, I assume you mean "Russia to be so effective destroying anti-air missiles with it's own helicopters and jets" And yeah, typical manipulation from you: In your article there no word about destroying, only words that EU has small amount of weapons, so when they sent something to Ukraine, they need a lot of time to restock it. This is main point of the article: "
The Ukraine war has exposed the skimpiness of western defence stockpiles — especially of unglamorous but crucial supplies such as artillery shells that have been the mainstay of fighting. Lack of production capacity, labour shortages and supply chain snafus — especially computer chips — mean long lead times to replenish them.
" So yeah, in near future after EU will start normal amount of military production, you ll see how russian "regrouping" from Belgorod Especially since russian in unable to destroy any of this western systems (as i remember, they destroyed frew m777 and few m109) Yep, here it is: - 9 155mm M777A2 howitzer: 2 155mm M109A3GN: (1, damaged) (2, damaged)
1 155mm AHS Krab: (1, destroyed)Bad result for the "second world's army" You do realize that it's possible to defend a country without calling for mass murders of all collaborators (in a country without capital punishment) right? In fact, thankfully, I don't see anyone besides af_newbie calling for that. Collaborators should be punished. Some with sentence in prison, some with bullets in their heads. A lot of this collaborators hand over ukrainian activists, ato soldiers, government workers and so on on occupied territories. All those people were killed by russians (I have a lot of cases). And now, some redneck idiot like you is trying to tell us that we need to left collaborators in peace. No, this is my answer to you. They will pay for what they've done Ohh i'm a redneck now? This is a personal first Over the past week, Shahed-136 delta-wing drones, repainted in Russian colors and rebranded as Geranium 2, started appearing over Ukrainian armor and artillery positions in the northeastern Kharkiv region, said Col. Rodion Kulagin, commander of artillery of Ukraine’s 92nd Mechanized Brigade.
In his brigade’s operational area alone, the Iranian drones—which usually fly in pairs and then slam into their targets—have destroyed two 152-mm self-propelled howitzers, two 122-mm self-propelled howitzers, as well as two BTR armored infantry vehicles, he said.
Before the current wide-scale use of the Shaheds, Russia carried out a test last month, striking a U.S.-supplied M777 155-mm towed howitzer with the drone, Col. Kulagin said. Another Iranian drone malfunctioned and was recovered, he said.
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Scott Crino, founder and chief executive of Red Six Solutions LLC, a strategic consulting firm, said the Shahed-136 could provide Russia with a “potent counterweight” to the high-tech weapons systems, such as Himars missile launchers, that the U.S. has provided to Ukraine.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/russias-use-of-iranian-kamikaze-drones-creates-new-dangers-for-ukrainian-troops-11663415140That's over only one week in a single brigade with only drones (and in self admission)! We can be adults and use our critical thinking to draw some conclusions from bits and pieces that leak to mass media, or we can continue our propaganda by throwing some BS sites claiming minimal losses at each other US has given Ukraine nearly a million 155 mm artillery shells, US ammunition stockpiles being depleted by deliveries to Ukraine and EU is running low on weapons. So only US handed around 1mil 155mm shells to UA, and RU has overwhelming artillery power, draw your own conclusions Edit: with a 100m kill radius of a 155mm, 1mil of them should cover 31.415km^2 that puts 59% of all of Donbas (53.201km^2) in a kill area, now imagine Russian coverage  |
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You really need to either man up and show exactly which argument in my replies to af_newbie comment about physically eliminating collaborators is a "straw man" argument, or just quietly stop using long words you don't know the meaning of.
Your concern-trolling about people using rubles and about children is an example of such strawmanning (no one suggested killing children or people using rubles) and I did mention that in my post... perhaps try some reading before going all blue. Now concern-trolling? Are you just throwing out big words in hopes that at least one of them sticks? Concern trolling involves someone opposing an idea or viewpoint, yet acting like they’re an advocate for the cause. A concern troll offers undermining criticisms under the guise of concern. Their goal is to sabotage the cause being discussed, and to inspire doubt among group members. This occurs in groups rallied around a particular issue, especially in political parties, and the goal of concern trolling is to cause dissent within a community.
https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/concern-troll/Right. so now you're trying to say that I'm acting like I'm advocating to physically eliminate all of the collaborators?  you're desperately scrapped the bottom of the barrel here think it'd be wise to throw in a towel
... Edit: From my own curiosity The pay of Wagner private military contractors (PMCs), who are usually aged between 35 and 55, is estimated to be between 80,000 ($1087) and 250,000 ($3397) Russian rubles a month. One source also stated the pay was as high as 300,000 ($4077). https://special-ops.org/wagner-group-notorious-private-military-company/At average of $2k/month for 6months that's $12k per contractor. So just that money from EU and US $1,98B, would get Wagner 165.000 contractors for 6months. I do kind of wonder how fast Wagner, or any other PMC really, could ramp up (and maintain something close to their 'normal' effectiveness.) I've heard that they get some of their personnel from prison, but I have to believe that the pool of suitable candidates from that demographic would be exhausted pretty quickly. Another random thing I never got around to mentioning is that a few weeks or a month ago or something, the CEO of Wagner is said to have been nearly killed in an attack that is said to have been the work of the British SAF. The interesting thing about this is that I doubt that very many of the Wagner people are very nice and forgiving, and that would certainly include the CEO. Wagner is, as best I can tell, a private for-profit business entity. It would be quite believable that misfortune which befell Great Brittan, or more generally the interests of the crown, in the form of an attack it could be simply revenge on the part of a privateer and had nothing to do with the Kremlin proper. So do the Putin fan boys consider the Wagner group the good kind of Nazis? How do you rationalize invading Ukraine bc "Nazis" while funding Nazis to fight for you. Similar dissonance as the hate for Hitler while worshipping Stalin. Your childish name calling are quiet hilarious. I'm not a fan of any PMCs but that Pandora's box was mainly opened with Blackwater, world let it slide, so now it became a new norm, to a point where you have to rely on them if you want to have a chance in any modern military conflict. Like has been covered here many times before, unfortunately Nazi's are everywhere, and it's a problem, question is are they hiding and ostracized, or embraced and are allowed to openly show Nazi insignia and do their Nazi torch parades. I'm not a fan of Stalin and i don't subscribe to the idea that end justifies the means, but even attempting to equate the suffering of all races/ethnicities for some idea of a greater good (reforms, collectivization etc...) of Stalin (and to a greater degree Mao) to Hitler's idea of master race and systematic genocide and extermination of people based solely on their race, ethnicity, or beliefs is just abhorrent. What you're trying to pull here is called an Association fallacy a cheap propaganda trick that would only work on the dumbest of people, and fully discredits you. Hitler is bad. Stalin is bad. Thus Stalin = Hitler No fallacy. He meant to say that most Russians revere the Soviet Union and its leaders despite the fact that the Soviet leaders were genocidal maniacs, including the current one. How can you support the prison of nations, the Soviet Union, or its current reincarnation, the 'Russian' Federation is beyond me. The 'Russian Federation', is not exactly Russian, and it is not a federation. More like a Russian empire where non-Slavic 'Russians' are second-class citizens, their populations are systematically destroyed and Russified. Take down Stalin/Soviet monuments across Russia, then we'll talk. Until then, иди нa xyй co cвoeй PФ. Your dim-witted reply (however unintentional) brings up a great point, people are quick to call for Putin to step down, be removed, assassinated etc... and they just seem to assume through their ignorance, and are fed by propaganda that the alternative would be some green liberal non-existent party. But as you pointed out yourself there are still a ton of Russians that still revere the Soviet Union, and besides some puppet parties, the next real alternative is a communist party. No one ever mentions how Putin is the centrist as the alternative might very well be a communist party. Who wins then?? “It’s a war, not a special operation. We need a general mobilization,” said Gennady Andreyevich Zyuganov, the leader of the Communist Party https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putins-entourage-demands-full-mobilization-for-the-war-in-ukraine/ar-AA11POYh
Population of LPR and DPR is around 4mil, Kherson is 1mil, Zaporizhzhia 1,5mil, Crimea is at 2.5mil for a total of around 9mil, when someone calls for mass murders with obscure criteria, why are you not even interested in clearing up how many people exactly they calling to physically eliminate? Is this not a concern to you?
If definition of collaboration is so obvious to you where you feel the need to interject when someone tries to clear it up and asks follow up questions, mind explaining it to the Kyiv-based regional center for Human Rights?
I'm concerned about many bad things happening to the millions of people, but collaboration being a voluntary action puts it near the bottom of the list. However no matter how you prioritize your concerns regarding this war, there is one thing and one thing only that's causing all this trouble and it needs to end in order for all these issues to be resolved. It's the Russian invasion. That's why your concern is not genuine. You just keep looking for new ways - including made-up / straw man / otherwise fallacious "arguments" - to blame Ukrainians for defending their country. Putin is killing Dobas residents by the thousands, you're "concerned" about someone's definition of collaborator. If you were otherwise calling for an immediate end of the occupation AND were concerned about the fate of collaborators then perhaps I could give you the benefit of the doubt. But as it stands now, it's just deflection/trolling/etc. Using well-known Kremlin propaganda tropes is a dead giveaway. You do realize that it's possible to defend a country without calling for mass murders of all collaborators (in a country without capital punishment) right? In fact, thankfully, I don't see anyone besides af_newbie calling for that. And that's where we fundamentally disagree, i see this conflict as a done deal, so I'm concerning myself with what comes after it, and I'm not seeing many good options. Majority of scenarios push Russia and China uncomfortably close together. I am not a fan of China or communism in it's current implementation. This would be a terrible outcome for everyone in the free world, so I'm dumbfounded why US tried to snatch UA out of RU sphere of influence with soft power and their freedom cookies. The outcome for EU is pretty gloom, and it's hard to believe that it's coincidental |
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The drop in inflation from 10.1% in July to 9.9% last month is not going to trouble the Bank of England’s policymakers when they meet next week to set interest rates.
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Top of the list will be the government’s £150bn energy subsidy scheme, which will benefit millions of people who, many have argued, don’t need to be cushioned from the gas price shock.
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In July, wages growth increased to 5.2% from 4.7% in June. These figures may be well short of the inflation rate and reveal the worst squeeze on living standards in two generations
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/sep/14/bank-of-england-will-not-take-foot-off-throttle-despite-drop-in-inflation-interest-ratesOuch on top of worst squeeze on living standards in two generation GDP is at 35yr low against USD. But hey everyone gets a billion to cover a month of their energy bills  Think i need to buy more BTC |
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Right. so now you're trying to say that I'm acting like I'm advocating to physically eliminate all of the collaborators? you're desperately scrapped the bottom of the barrel here think it'd be wise to throw in a towel Add red herring / tone complaint / ad hominem to the endless list of fallacies you're exhibiting in this thread. It'd be wise for you to look outside of urban dictionary for definitions of words you don't understand. I take it you have nothing else to substantiate your totally genuine concern absurd attempts to imply that children and people who used rubles are collaborators?  Now you're trying to claim that i'm disingenuous in my concerns with af_newbie's calls to mass murder after UA abolished capital punishment? And then you're switching claims and now generalizing that i'm exhibiting fallacies in this whole thread? Keep making up claims, surely eventually one of them must hit its target. Infinite monkeys eventually could write Shakespeare too. Population of LPR and DPR is around 4mil, Kherson is 1mil, Zaporizhzhia 1,5mil, Crimea is at 2.5mil for a total of around 9mil, when someone calls for mass murders with obscure criteria, why are you not even interested in clearing up how many people exactly they calling to physically eliminate? Is this not a concern to you? If definition of collaboration is so obvious to you where you feel the need to interject when someone tries to clear it up and asks follow up questions, mind explaining it to the Kyiv-based regional center for Human Rights? Ukraine’s Plan to Prosecute Collaborators
New legislation remains open to interpretation by law enforcement agencies and judges.
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Article 111-1 criminalises actions of setting the temporary occupation of a part of the territory of Ukraine, transferring material resources to unlawful armed or paramilitary groups of aggressor-state or which were created on the temporarily occupied territory of Ukraine.
Article 111-2 criminalises acts that execute or support decisions and actions of the aggressor-state, its occupation administration or armed groups, transfer of resources or assets to representatives of the aggressor-state.
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However, only direct physical coercion - which renders a person unable to be in control of their actions with imminent danger - excludes the criminality of an act.
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In Article 111-1 there are some differences regarding the voluntary nature as it indicates that some acts suppose that a person must act voluntarily, but others do not have the word “voluntarily” at all.
It is a tricky question, because we do not know how law enforcement agencies and judges will interpret it.
https://iwpr.net/global-voices/ukraines-plan-prosecute-collaboratorsNow mind actually contributing to this conversation and giving us your estimate on how many people you feel fall under your definition of "Collaborator"? And if you agree with af_newbie's notion that they all need to be physically eliminated?
We went from UA being unable to even attempt to break the siege of Mariupol in May
Unable to even attempt? Mariupol was besieged completely in early March. What do you think they were doing for the rest of March and April and why do you think the city was leveled when Ukraine finally surrendered? Or is "unable to even attempt to break the siege" your funny way of saying surrender after months of fighting. I thought it was pretty clear, no? Meant just what i said, no double meanings here. As far as I'm aware, there were no attempts from UA at breaking out its units from the besieged Mariupol. All of the civilians weren't let out and units within the city were left to fight on their own until their eventual "evacuation"...to a Russian prison. No way to break Russian siege of Mariupol and Azovstal to rescue Ukrainian troops, says deputy defense minister
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Malyar said that if such a counter-offensive operation to break through the Russian siege of Mariupol were possible, it would already have happened, public broadcasting company Suspilne reported.
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I heard from radio news this morning that, Russia soldiers are retrieving (running back) from Ukrainian soldiers. As for me, I thought that the war is over because the hit has been drastically reduce to some extent. I don't know why this war is still on. I believe the war will not extend go far again. What I mean is that, the war will not cause world war 3 again because some people were saying that the war would caused world war which would have involved other world powers and minor countries to support themselves. What do you really think that will stop this fight? I am really tired of hearing these two countries fight. I believed Russia is the side that is still prolonging the war. Although, I do not know who is disobeying the rules to stop the war.
This war is far from over. Ukrainians have to complete the breakout in the Kherson front and collapse the Luhansk front. Landbridge and Crimea have to be cleaned up to eliminate Russian citizens and their collaborators. Most will be decided this winter. Au contraire, i feel like we're closer to WW3 than ever. Personally I didn't expect such scale of UA counteroffensive. We went from UA being unable to even attempt to break the siege of Mariupol in May, to suddenly UA claiming to have taken 6.000 square km in like a week in September. Either you believe in UA super soldiers, superman, Santa Claus and other fairy tales or as a proxy US/EU sent a ridiculous amount of weapons to UA to a point where “The military stocks of most member states has been, I wouldn’t say exhausted, but depleted in a high proportion, because we have been providing a lot of capacity to the Ukrainians,” Borrell said during a discussion with other EU officials. https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/05/russia-ukraine-live-updates.htmlAnd now UA requested 2.000 more missiles for their "16" launchers 155mm shell has a kill radius of around 100m assuming even the same for HIMARS, if my math is right, 100m radius is 31.400m^2 so 2.000 missiles wold have a kill area of 62.800.000m^2 or 62.8km^2 with a kill zone of up to 80km. Meaning just with HIMARS US would let UA wipe out any 63km^2 with GPS precision by a press of a button. Now the "fun" part is what happens next, either RU just packs up and goes home knowing fully that it'll implode and be dismantled, or it escalates, gloves off full mobilization and declaration of war, with a possibility of nuclear strike if anyone decides to continue to intervene. For convenient reason all of the propaganda doesn't mention that this is an existential threat for RU, and such option is even on a table for RU. As far as timing, UA needs high mobility to maneuver fast, and break the front lines deep into RU territory like that. That advantage would be mostly gone by winter, and it's back to grinding one meter at a time by RU artillery. Also there will be a lot of social unrest (after midterm elections in US) and heating season starts in EU. Devaluation of EUR/GBP, job losses, and inflation would surely take UA off the front pages. So UA needs to deliver before bad weather comes in (and then face full mobilization) or just hope really really hard that Putin folds and just decides to retire, guess it is still technically a possibility in our multiverse. Also as another unknown, the more the west depletes its military stock the higher the chance of China making a move on Taiwan. Kinda what we're seeing in Armenia and Azerbaijan now
At average of $2k/month for 6months that's $12k per contractor. So just that money from EU and US $1,98B, would get Wagner 165.000 contractors for 6months.
It wouldn't. Wagner has trouble hiring as it is. Earlier in the year they were taking only people with military experience, now it's open to anyone with a pulse basically... including people with criminal records. Even Russians don't want to die for $2k and the ones that do aren't much better than the cannon fodder from Tatarstan or ORDLO.  https://t.me/grey_zone/14946Mercs work for patriotism but mostly money so double it to $4k/m spend just $4B open up to Kazakhstan, Belarus, Syria, Iran, Armenia etc... and you get 165k contractors for 6months I mean they're considering paying out $20B just in dividends this year Russia's state-run gas major Gazprom reported record net profit for the first half of the year on Tuesday, as elevated market prices continue to aid the Kremlin.
The company earned $41.75 billion, or 2.5 trillion rubles, from the start of 2022. That's up from about 968 billion rubles in the first half of 2021.
Gazprom is also considering paying investors a dividend after not doing so last year. Its board recommended paying 51.03 rubles per share, bringing the total payout to 1.208 trillion roubles.
Gazprom's record profits this year come as the West imposed sanctions on Russia for its invasion of Ukraine. While they largely steered clear of directly banning gas sales, Europe has scrambled to look for alternatives to Russian supplies.
Meanwhile, Dutch TTF, the natural gas benchmark in Europe, is up more than 1,000% compared to a year ago as Gazprom has slashed deliveries and raised concerns about winter shortages. https://www.yahoo.com/video/russias-state-run-gas-major-141727603.html |
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You really need to either man up and show exactly which argument in my replies to af_newbie comment about physically eliminating collaborators is a "straw man" argument, or just quietly stop using long words you don't know the meaning of.
Your concern-trolling about people using rubles and about children is an example of such strawmanning (no one suggested killing children or people using rubles) and I did mention that in my post... perhaps try some reading before going all blue. Now concern-trolling? Are you just throwing out big words in hopes that at least one of them sticks? Concern trolling involves someone opposing an idea or viewpoint, yet acting like they’re an advocate for the cause. A concern troll offers undermining criticisms under the guise of concern. Their goal is to sabotage the cause being discussed, and to inspire doubt among group members. This occurs in groups rallied around a particular issue, especially in political parties, and the goal of concern trolling is to cause dissent within a community.
https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/concern-troll/Right. so now you're trying to say that I'm acting like I'm advocating to physically eliminate all of the collaborators? you're desperately scrapped the bottom of the barrel here think it'd be wise to throw in a towel
... Edit: From my own curiosity The pay of Wagner private military contractors (PMCs), who are usually aged between 35 and 55, is estimated to be between 80,000 ($1087) and 250,000 ($3397) Russian rubles a month. One source also stated the pay was as high as 300,000 ($4077). https://special-ops.org/wagner-group-notorious-private-military-company/At average of $2k/month for 6months that's $12k per contractor. So just that money from EU and US $1,98B, would get Wagner 165.000 contractors for 6months. I do kind of wonder how fast Wagner, or any other PMC really, could ramp up (and maintain something close to their 'normal' effectiveness.) I've heard that they get some of their personnel from prison, but I have to believe that the pool of suitable candidates from that demographic would be exhausted pretty quickly. Another random thing I never got around to mentioning is that a few weeks or a month ago or something, the CEO of Wagner is said to have been nearly killed in an attack that is said to have been the work of the British SAF. The interesting thing about this is that I doubt that very many of the Wagner people are very nice and forgiving, and that would certainly include the CEO. Wagner is, as best I can tell, a private for-profit business entity. It would be quite believable that misfortune which befell Great Brittan, or more generally the interests of the crown, in the form of an attack it could be simply revenge on the part of a privateer and had nothing to do with the Kremlin proper. So do the Putin fan boys consider the Wagner group the good kind of Nazis? How do you rationalize invading Ukraine bc "Nazis" while funding Nazis to fight for you. Similar dissonance as the hate for Hitler while worshipping Stalin. Your childish name calling are quiet hilarious. I'm not a fan of any PMCs but that Pandora's box was mainly opened with Blackwater, world let it slide, so now it became a new norm, to a point where you have to rely on them if you want to have a chance in any modern military conflict. Like has been covered here many times before, unfortunately Nazi's are everywhere, and it's a problem, question is are they hiding and ostracized, or embraced and are allowed to openly show Nazi insignia and do their Nazi torch parades. I'm not a fan of Stalin and i don't subscribe to the idea that end justifies the means, but even attempting to equate the suffering of all races/ethnicities for some idea of a greater good (reforms, collectivization etc...) of Stalin (and to a greater degree Mao) to Hitler's idea of master race and systematic genocide and extermination of people based solely on their race, ethnicity, or beliefs is just abhorrent. What you're trying to pull here is called an Association fallacy a cheap propaganda trick that would only work on the dumbest of people, and fully discredits you. Hitler is bad. Stalin is bad. Thus Stalin = Hitler |
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If the war ends, Ukraine will join the Nato and earn support payments to rebuild its economy due to the fact, that the EU is depending on ukrainian goods such as wheat and oil.
Isnt NATO representatives already claimed that Ukraine is not ready for joining NATO, as Ukraine does not fully meet European standards yet? I am a bit far from Ukraine joining NATO discussion, but last thing I remembered, was there several months ago there was a meeting of NATO countries and it seems they are not waiting for Ukraine in their union. As to wheat and oil - does Ukraine support Europe that much, that Europe would give billions to rebuild destroyed economy? Europe is not short of wheat deliveries from Ukraine, but so far there is no such huge shortage and wheat crisis in Europe, that will make people crazy. There is no such thing as standards for a country to join NATO. Ive been to Albania and Macedonia many times, these are great countries, but if we consider the reasons for accepting them into NATO, it has nothing to do with thefact that they suddenly began to meet some standards. This is a purely political decision. If there is a decision your accepted, no decision your not. If such a decision is made, Angola will be in NATO within a month. When the war ends, Ukraine should offer NATO to join Ukraine. Insisting on some reforms within NATO, for example, throwing the fuck out Hungary would be definitely one of them. Germany doesn't have shit so need to get rid of it too.
>does Ukraine support Europe that much You don't understand the major point. In fact, Europe owes Ukrainians all the things and without any conditions. Because democratic societies, unlike authoritarian ones, depend on their own rhetoric. If they said "Never again", they should prove it. If they said that democracy and values are important, they should prove it. Otherwise, the line between Putin's rubbish and the proud statements of the West is blurred. Germany committed €3,1B the 3rd after US and UK and you want to kick it out of NATO Ever heard the saying, don’t bite the hand that feeds you, and careful what you wish for? I can't think of a worse outcome for EU and UA if Germany decides to leave NATO this winter, it would probably be Putin's wet dream too. Democratic societies, unlike authoritarian ones, depend on their own rhetoric? Ohh naïve child, I take it you don't really follow world geopolitics much, or studied world history? I really don't have the courage to burst your bubble, but trust me you're just setting yourself up to be disappointed. Macron Says NATO Is Experiencing ‘Brain Death’ Because of Trump https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/07/world/europe/macron-nato-brain-death.htmlTrump also said he could see France “breaking off” from the Western military alliance. https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/03/trump-says-macrons-comments-on-nato-were-very-disrespectful.htmlTrump says 'America is going to hell', alludes to 2024 run for presidency at PA rally https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-says-america-is-going-to-hell-alludes-to-2024-run-for-presidency-at-pa-rally/ar-AA11r7nZHow much do you think EU is watching US's midterm elections that'll happen in November? And what happens if/when? Biden's party (democrats) loose the congress to republicans (Trump's party) as projected? The European Union and United States have ramped up buying key industrial metals from Russia, data showed, despite logistical problems spurred by the war in Ukraine and tough talk about starving Moscow of foreign exchange revenue
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EU and U.S. imports of Russia's main base metal products aluminium and nickel during March-June increased by as much as 70%, official trade data compiled by Reuters from the United Nations Comtrade database show.
The total value of EU and U.S. imports of the two metals from March to June were $1.98 billion, the data showed.
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"We know from commodity traders it's mainly a question of the price. It's not so much about some politician not wanting you to buy, but is there a deal here."
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During the four months following Russia's invasion of Ukraine, the EU was the biggest importer of unwrought aluminium from Russia, pulling in an average of 78,207 tonnes a month in March-June, 13% more than the same period last year.
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U.S. monthly imports of Russian aluminium averaged 23,049 tonnes in March-June, up 21% from the same period last year.
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Nickel imports from Russia by the top three destinations in March-June rose 17% year-on-year.
The United States saw the biggest gains, surging 70% compared to last year, while EU shipments gained 22%.
https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/exclusive-eu-us-step-up-russian-aluminium-nickel-imports-since-ukraine-war-2022-09-06/ Edit: From my own curiosity The pay of Wagner private military contractors (PMCs), who are usually aged between 35 and 55, is estimated to be between 80,000 ($1087) and 250,000 ($3397) Russian rubles a month. One source also stated the pay was as high as 300,000 ($4077). https://special-ops.org/wagner-group-notorious-private-military-company/At average of $2k/month for 6months that's $12k per contractor. So just that money from EU and US $1,98B, would get Wagner 165.000 contractors for 6months. |
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I want to say that raising the flag over Vysokopolye and taking three more villages (by the way, which ones?) is too thin a result for a week of suicidal attacks on an open field as part of a counteroffensive that has been prepared since the beginning of summer.
LOL that's really weak sauce for someone who was boasting about capturing some villages in Donbas, didn't get any new talking points? The "open field" is just a tiny part of the counteroffensive. All those bavovna also mean something. The disappearing of bridges and daily attacks on ferries basically makes the invaders surrounded. Ukrainians don't need to go guns blazing into Kherson, they can slowly squeeze them until the inevitable "good will gesture". Or if the brilliant Russian military strategists decide to send more reinforcements cannon fodder - that can work out well for Ukrainians too, meaning less pressure elsewhere. Twist it as you want, but the momentum is clearly shifting. Capture Kyiv in 3 days -> capture some villages in Donbas -> try to hold on to some villages in Donbas -> ah shit, lost some villages near Kherson, no big deal -> next I suppose will be a retreat from Kherson and some desperate attempt to reinforce the land corridor through Melitopol because that's being himarsed daily too. When their 98th and 45th SF brigades are wiped out south of Vysokopillya, they will 'strategically withdraw' from Kherson to 'secure' the land bridge to Crimea. The talking heads on RTV (and be.open) will be saying that it is all according to Putin's master plan to defend Russian speakers in Donbas. Kherson front will be forgotten, just like the fronts on Kyiv and Sumy. The only way to deal with the occupiers and their collaborators is to physically eliminate them. There is no other way. So partial population of Kherson, Zaporizhia, Donetsk and everyone in Luhansk and Crimea? Just the population of Crimea is 2,416,856. So how many millions do you want to physically eliminate exactly? Guessing priority for you would be eliminating the elderly as they were born in USSR and the most prone to collaborate? All of the kids too, or you think up to certain age there's still a chance to reeducate them in the camps? Edit: What about sympathizers, do you feel the need to physically eliminate them too? around 2 000 people have gathered at Augustusplatz in Leipzig city centre to begin what has been proclaimed as a “hot autumn” to protest.
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The AfD further called on the government to stop the sanctions war, which is leading to a sharp increase in prices.
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Demonstrators demanded the “immediate capping of electricity prices” and for officials to secure direct contracts with gas suppliers at low prices, and further called for the resignation of the government and military neutrality. https://www.msn.com/en-za/news/other/wave-of-protests-in-europe-over-high-cost-of-living-energy-prices/ar-AA11vR61False equivalence. Demonstrators in Leipzig do not bomb Berlin, rape and plunder East Germany or shoot and kill civilians. Right now, all pro-Russian material support in Ukraine is equivalent to armed aggression as it causes the deaths of defenders and must be met with lethal force. BTW, gas prices are dropping due to falling oil prices because of lower demand despite the supply shock created by Russia. Cheap attempt at a straw man, now care to address the question? Do you consider people who get RU passports, work for and receive salaries and pensions in RUB as collaborators? What about people that vote to secede from UA (like Crimea)? Care to put a number, roughly how many collaborators there are that you feel should be physically eliminated? And the part about the children of collaborators, what do you want to do with them? It is simple, if they have Ukrainian citizenship, they can stay in Ukraine. If they provided material support to the Russian army they broke Ukrainian law and will probably be prosecuted. Unless there will be amnesty for them. They will be free to leave the territory of Ukraine and give up their citizenship, if they so desire. All Russians without Ukrainian papers are tourists in Ukraine and will be deported. There was no legal referendum in Crimea or Donbas/Luhansk. Read the constitution of Ukraine.Dual citizenship is technically not allowed in Ukraine. So I am not sure how the Ukrainian government will treat all the people who accepted Russian citizenship after Feb. 2014. Maybe they will consider them as Russian citizens without Ukrainian visas. People who help organize illegal, pro-Russian 'government' on the territory of Ukraine should be eliminated, one way or another. SBU identifies three collaborators in Luhansk Oblast
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All three individuals could face up to 10 years in prison should they be apprehended by Ukrainian law enforcement, put on trial, and be found guilty.
https://news.yahoo.com/sbu-identifies-three-collaborators-luhansk-192500882.htmlA total of 651 collaboration and treason cases had been opened against law enforcement officials, he added.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62202078SBU nabs artillery spotter who gave Russians coordinates of schools for “intimidating strikes”
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Russian intelligence recruited him immediately after Russia’s full-scale invasion; he faces up to 12 years jail
https://euromaidanpress.com/2022/08/27/sbu-nabs-artillery-spotter-who-gave-russians-coordinates-of-schools-for-intimidating-strikes/Court sentences Russian collaborator to 16 years in jail.
He has given Russia information on the deployment of Ukrainian troops and the locations of infrastructure facilities in Chernihiv and Cherhnivtsi oblasts, the Prosecutor General's Office said. https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1566739269091213312Offenders face up to 15 years in prison for collaborating with Russian forces, making public denials about Russian aggression or supporting Moscow. Anyone whose actions result in deaths could face life in prison.
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Some businessmen, civic and state officials and members of the military are among those who have gone over to the Russian side, and Ukraine’s State Bureau of Investigations said more than 200 criminal cases on collaboration have been opened. Zelenskyy has even stripped two SBU generals of their rank, accusing them of treason.
A “registry of collaborators” is being compiled and will be released to the public, said Oleksiy Danilov, head of Ukraine’s Security Council. He refused to say how many people were targeted nationwide.
https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/ukraine-cracks-traitors-helping-russian-troops-84397927Either you have different definition of collaborators from UA government and Zelensky, or you have a lot of people that you'll be physically eliminating. Are you planning on personally taking the part in all of the murdering?
Cheap attempt at a straw man, now care to address the question? Do you consider people who get RU passports, work for and receive salaries and pensions in RUB as collaborators? What about people that vote to secede from UA (like Crimea)? Care to put a number, roughly how many collaborators there are that you feel should be physically eliminated? And the part about the children of collaborators, what do you want to do with them?
You're reaching desperately, up to and including accusing someone else of "straw man" while yourself providing only dramatized straw man arguments. Look up collaborator in a dictionary. It tends to be defined as a person who is part of the enemy government or military, i.e. basically a traitor. Probably a legitimate military target in any case, so killing them during war is fair game. But that's not about regular citizens who may or may not use rubles. Or children.
You really need to either man up and show exactly which argument in my replies to af_newbie comment about physically eliminating collaborators is a "straw man" argument, or just quietly stop using long words you don't know the meaning of.  |
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Fucking idiots. Seems we pumped a bit on that news too lol They certainly look like gremlins concocting some ill-conceived plans that NO ONE requested. The ridiculousness of it all is underlined by the small overall % of power bitcoin is using in comparison with gigantic polluting and earth destroying industries like gold mining, for example, plus too many more examples to mention. Obviously, they have an agenda. I have no idea why, but something something about enslaving would fit the bill to a tee. I rarely speak "political" as it is generally not worth it, but enough of this nonsense already. <end of a rant> What you claim to be ridiculous, i find to be inevitable. what is inevitable? banning of bitcoin? sorry, but it is tickling my "bullshit" sensor. Yep, if you think someone will willingly hand over global reserve currency status without putting up a fight you have a surprise coming. Hmmm...bitcoin is $405 bil, gold is $12.5 tril. Who is banning gold? No one. Bitcoin has to increase 30X to get close to Au. Global reserve currency status is more of a dream right now...maybe in 20-50 yrs, maybe never. I would be totally cool with bitcoin "market cap" of 10-15 Tril (500K-750K). Even at 10tril, bitcoin would not "threaten" anyone, really, with total capital markets in $300 tril vicinity, maybe $500 tril in 20 years. I didn't say right now, but i'm thinking less than 20yrs. By then rewards will be BTC28,125/day for projected global population of ~9B. Pressure will also not be spontaneous, the more BTC becomes a threat the more pressure will be applied. Appears so far it only warrants the ETF silliness. I'm sure that in 20 years there will either be very large transaction volume or no volume. -Satoshi*In 50yrs DAILY reward will be just a fraction BTC0,1 for population of 10,5B by then either no one will remember BTC or there will be a citadel |
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Fucking idiots. Seems we pumped a bit on that news too lol They certainly look like gremlins concocting some ill-conceived plans that NO ONE requested. The ridiculousness of it all is underlined by the small overall % of power bitcoin is using in comparison with gigantic polluting and earth destroying industries like gold mining, for example, plus too many more examples to mention. Obviously, they have an agenda. I have no idea why, but something something about enslaving would fit the bill to a tee. I rarely speak "political" as it is generally not worth it, but enough of this nonsense already. <end of a rant> What you claim to be ridiculous, i find to be inevitable. what is inevitable? banning of bitcoin? sorry, but it is tickling my "bullshit" sensor. Yep, if you think someone will willingly hand over global reserve currency status without putting up a fight you have a surprise coming. |
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Fucking idiots. Seems we pumped a bit on that news too lol They certainly look like gremlins concocting some ill-conceived plans that NO ONE requested. The ridiculousness of it all is underlined by the small overall % of power bitcoin is using in comparison with gigantic polluting and earth destroying industries like gold mining, for example, plus too many more examples to mention. Obviously, they have an agenda. I have no idea why, but something something about enslaving would fit the bill to a tee. I rarely speak "political" as it is generally not worth it, but enough of this nonsense already. <end of a rant> What you claim to be ridiculous, i find to be inevitable. |
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I want to say that raising the flag over Vysokopolye and taking three more villages (by the way, which ones?) is too thin a result for a week of suicidal attacks on an open field as part of a counteroffensive that has been prepared since the beginning of summer.
LOL that's really weak sauce for someone who was boasting about capturing some villages in Donbas, didn't get any new talking points? The "open field" is just a tiny part of the counteroffensive. All those bavovna also mean something. The disappearing of bridges and daily attacks on ferries basically makes the invaders surrounded. Ukrainians don't need to go guns blazing into Kherson, they can slowly squeeze them until the inevitable "good will gesture". Or if the brilliant Russian military strategists decide to send more reinforcements cannon fodder - that can work out well for Ukrainians too, meaning less pressure elsewhere. Twist it as you want, but the momentum is clearly shifting. Capture Kyiv in 3 days -> capture some villages in Donbas -> try to hold on to some villages in Donbas -> ah shit, lost some villages near Kherson, no big deal -> next I suppose will be a retreat from Kherson and some desperate attempt to reinforce the land corridor through Melitopol because that's being himarsed daily too. When their 98th and 45th SF brigades are wiped out south of Vysokopillya, they will 'strategically withdraw' from Kherson to 'secure' the land bridge to Crimea. The talking heads on RTV (and be.open) will be saying that it is all according to Putin's master plan to defend Russian speakers in Donbas. Kherson front will be forgotten, just like the fronts on Kyiv and Sumy. The only way to deal with the occupiers and their collaborators is to physically eliminate them. There is no other way. So partial population of Kherson, Zaporizhia, Donetsk and everyone in Luhansk and Crimea? Just the population of Crimea is 2,416,856. So how many millions do you want to physically eliminate exactly? Guessing priority for you would be eliminating the elderly as they were born in USSR and the most prone to collaborate? All of the kids too, or you think up to certain age there's still a chance to reeducate them in the camps? Edit: What about sympathizers, do you feel the need to physically eliminate them too? around 2 000 people have gathered at Augustusplatz in Leipzig city centre to begin what has been proclaimed as a “hot autumn” to protest.
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The AfD further called on the government to stop the sanctions war, which is leading to a sharp increase in prices.
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Demonstrators demanded the “immediate capping of electricity prices” and for officials to secure direct contracts with gas suppliers at low prices, and further called for the resignation of the government and military neutrality. https://www.msn.com/en-za/news/other/wave-of-protests-in-europe-over-high-cost-of-living-energy-prices/ar-AA11vR61False equivalence. Demonstrators in Leipzig do not bomb Berlin, rape and plunder East Germany or shoot and kill civilians. Right now, all pro-Russian material support in Ukraine is equivalent to armed aggression as it causes the deaths of defenders and must be met with lethal force. BTW, gas prices are dropping due to falling oil prices because of lower demand despite the supply shock created by Russia. Cheap attempt at a straw man, now care to address the question? Do you consider people who get RU passports, work for and receive salaries and pensions in RUB as collaborators? What about people that vote to secede from UA (like Crimea)? Care to put a number, roughly how many collaborators there are that you feel should be physically eliminated? And the part about the children of collaborators, what do you want to do with them? |
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I want to say that raising the flag over Vysokopolye and taking three more villages (by the way, which ones?) is too thin a result for a week of suicidal attacks on an open field as part of a counteroffensive that has been prepared since the beginning of summer.
LOL that's really weak sauce for someone who was boasting about capturing some villages in Donbas, didn't get any new talking points? The "open field" is just a tiny part of the counteroffensive. All those bavovna also mean something. The disappearing of bridges and daily attacks on ferries basically makes the invaders surrounded. Ukrainians don't need to go guns blazing into Kherson, they can slowly squeeze them until the inevitable "good will gesture". Or if the brilliant Russian military strategists decide to send more reinforcements cannon fodder - that can work out well for Ukrainians too, meaning less pressure elsewhere. Twist it as you want, but the momentum is clearly shifting. Capture Kyiv in 3 days -> capture some villages in Donbas -> try to hold on to some villages in Donbas -> ah shit, lost some villages near Kherson, no big deal -> next I suppose will be a retreat from Kherson and some desperate attempt to reinforce the land corridor through Melitopol because that's being himarsed daily too. When their 98th and 45th SF brigades are wiped out south of Vysokopillya, they will 'strategically withdraw' from Kherson to 'secure' the land bridge to Crimea. The talking heads on RTV (and be.open) will be saying that it is all according to Putin's master plan to defend Russian speakers in Donbas. Kherson front will be forgotten, just like the fronts on Kyiv and Sumy. The only way to deal with the occupiers and their collaborators is to physically eliminate them. There is no other way. So partial population of Kherson, Zaporizhia, Donetsk and everyone in Luhansk and Crimea? Just the population of Crimea is 2,416,856. So how many millions do you want to physically eliminate exactly? Guessing priority for you would be eliminating the elderly as they were born in USSR and the most prone to collaborate? All of the kids too, or you think up to certain age there's still a chance to reeducate them in the camps? Edit: What about sympathizers, do you feel the need to physically eliminate them too? around 2 000 people have gathered at Augustusplatz in Leipzig city centre to begin what has been proclaimed as a “hot autumn” to protest.
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The AfD further called on the government to stop the sanctions war, which is leading to a sharp increase in prices.
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Demonstrators demanded the “immediate capping of electricity prices” and for officials to secure direct contracts with gas suppliers at low prices, and further called for the resignation of the government and military neutrality. https://www.msn.com/en-za/news/other/wave-of-protests-in-europe-over-high-cost-of-living-energy-prices/ar-AA11vR61 |
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It's pretty obvious that whales are trading btc for eth in order to begin a large pump and dump run ahead of the Ethereum upgrade/merge news. Noobs will never learn I guess. According to CMC market caps: - USDT: $68B
- USDC: $52B
- BUSD: $19B
- Total: $139B
At first i was waiting for the US Department of the Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) to kill all of these "decentralized" USD stablecoins with just a single order, with that sucking all of the value out of ETH. But what would that achieve, sure close #2 crypto and watch the funds flow into BTC which they can't touch, that would be counter productive. Instead it would make more sense to count your losses with ETH, embrace it fully and while demonizing commie earth destroying BTC. |
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 Evil Russian climate killing coin BTC vs green freedom loving ETH FUD incoming. |
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Good news for Bitcoin! Another slap in the face of "regulators" and other anticoin LARPers. Thanks for posting. Have your very first merit! You earned it! You think so? No way US/EU is going for a attempt at "banning" bad crypto 'cos financing Russia? If they are smart they won't. Because they will know its not possible. But I would love to see them try and fail. That would only give everyone who isn't sure about adopting crypto yet the affirmation they need that nobody will be able to take their money away from them. Especially not any government. Inevitable but terrible timing. EUR/USD at lowest since 2002, GBP/USD is at lowest since 1985. No one will give up power without putting up a fight, let's hope BTC can still mainly fly under their radar for some time |
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Well, I hope this photo of the Ukrainian flag in Vysokopolye justifies the several thousand dead soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine during the week of the counterattack on Kherson.
Your propaganda is bad, you should have written several tens of thousands to make it more convincing. People who fight for their country and their women and children are not afraid of death, and everyone who died did so honorably - unlike your compatriots whom the Russian authorities do not even want to bury with dignity, but leave them to rot on Ukrainian soil. Edit: After rereading, giving Lucius the benefit of the doubt that he's not some maniac who's willing to sacrifice children, but meant people who fight for their country, fight for their women, and fight for their children, those people are not afraid of death.... (and not people who fight for their country, those people's women as well as those people's children, all are not afraid of death...) |
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