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741  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 08, 2021, 05:47:49 PM
Was out for holidays so what did i miss ohh Shocked
ATH ... check
breaking 25k 30k 35k 40k 41k 42k ... check
WO page count parity ... check
Tesla model 3 parity ... check
Lambo parity ... pending
https://crypto-to-lambo.com/
742  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 19, 2020, 03:21:34 AM

This is gross!
...
Who uses Handcuffs?  Roll Eyes
I'd go for cable ties...  Grin

If only Notlambchop could see us now

She'd be jealous. Best she could come up with was Lemon Party and a few other geriatric pics.

I'd be happy to buy at any of the prices she was taking the piss out of. You could buy sub $400 Bitcoins back then, and soon they will be $40k+ Bitcoins.



She should have been buying instead of posting this stupid gif interspersed with geriatric pics all day every day.

Oh man this brings back memories, lambie was constantly rubbing it in with these.

Edit: need to learn to read before replying
743  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 18, 2020, 02:38:56 AM
I see the gay cards didn't work either, so what's moving the price then?
More buyers at current price than sellers
744  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 17, 2020, 08:10:48 AM
Looks like jbreher is running away somewhere in a hurry
745  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 17, 2020, 02:41:45 AM
22k shall not stand!
746  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 16, 2020, 06:37:34 PM

Wish he'd pull Andreas and stay away from speculating on number movements
747  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 16, 2020, 06:27:11 PM
Wow this takes me back, I remember watching the slaying of the bear-whale live!

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Moment of remembrance to The BearWhale who sold 30,000 $BTC @ $300.
Look at that sell wall.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1339038633710374912

i remember. everyone would have expected that something that large would send the price into the abyss. the bearwhale turned a possible $591mio into 9mio.

If he's smart he didn't sell everything, or maybe not even a majority.

Either way if he didn't blow it on hookers and coke he could still have retired on that amount, nothing to sneeze at. I wouldn't mind having done that "mistake".

I believe he rebought after, and signed a message from the empty wallet with a 30k outgoing transaction. Just show's that it's never too late, repent and BTC will accept you back
748  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 16, 2020, 08:11:42 AM
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If you are unable to link your bank account via Plaid or prefer not using your online banking credentials to register your bank account, please exit the screen and navigate to Manually link bank and input your wire information. Once your bank account information is set up, you can complete the bank verification process with a successful wire deposit into your account.

https://support.gemini.com/hc/en-us/articles/115004691043-How-do-I-fund-my-Gemini-Account-

or go the hardway and create a burner bank account like vapourminer

wonder if that was an option back in 2017.

either way i would rather have separate accounts for exchanges.

i figure at this point all my finances are well known to banks and whatnot anyway. they have too many ways to link everything anyway. not that i like that of course. and im no where smart enough to get around that stuff anyway.

Probably always was, no way they had an API for every single little bank, must always have a manual back up process. Banks have at least some responsibility to safeguard your transaction data, some marketing company leaking their databases online/selling it to highest bidder, not so much.
749  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 16, 2020, 08:08:31 AM
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Good info, but not really relevant as I am sure all my regular payment information is already widely available within the financial system.
I use credit cards, so if someone wants to see what I spend on, they already can.
Regarding my crypto dealings all this does is to inform someone that i sent a few deposits to coinbase and gemini. Not very important.
In other words, everything that you described is already there via gazillion of info aggregators that are plugged in into the financial system.
But, thanks for reminding me one more time how much under the microscope we all are.
Ever wonder , how come after mentioning "vacuum cleaner" in your text or on a Facebook page, suddenly you are bombarded with vacuum cleaners everywhere, even on btctalk?
Do I like it? Not in the slightest, but learned to mostly ignore it.

Well it's one thing for financials institutions to have your transaction history and it's another when marketers do. Plus i'm not sure if it's a one time thing or they continue pulling/monitoring your transactions indefinitely? Then when those databases leak online and we can see all of your transactions history for past X years you can't bitch at anyone because you gave away your creds yourself.
You buy one green dildo online and then the forum is littered with green dildos?

Privacy takes effort, you either go with the flow with the path of least resistance, or you use tor, private/incognito modes and drop facebook etc...
750  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 16, 2020, 06:17:49 AM
to whom it may concern

yes yall have finally shamed me into finishing setting up the gemini account i started years ago...

What KYC do they want? Is it passport, bank statement and utility bill scans?

started a few years ago (in 2017) so dont remember much. (then) they wanted password access to my the back account i wanted to link to (!!WTF!!) which stopped me dead in me tracks till i could give them an account i wound up making specifically for them and let them have that.


FECKING PASSWORD ACCESS TO YOUR BANK ACCOUNT?

Is that even legal? I bet most banks have a clause in their terms and conditions forbidding disclosure of your password to anyone.

I also remember something like this (also in 2017 or so), which was unusual. I wrote to them asking, basically, wtf?
The answer was that you enter the password on a special bank site, not on the Gemini site (all banks are integrated there) and the session is not recorded (right!!).
It is probably similar to how you can prove that the btc account is yours by signing a message.
Basically, they see that you were able to login, but they don't see the password as you login into your bank, essentially (or so they claim).
I think all they get from the session is the record that you were able to login into the account you claim to be the owner of.
The explanation was that this gives them confidence that the bank account is actually yours and you can control it.
I did it, but then had to wait at least 3 weeks for approval.
The only reason I initiated it in the first place was because at that time they had no limits (at least no discernible limits) on withdrawals and you can trade immediately after you initiate the deposit, which Coinbase did not have at the time.

Well you think wrong, care to try again? Don't think/trust, verify.

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Information we collect from your financial accounts. The information we receive from the financial product and service providers that maintain your financial accounts varies depending on the specific Plaid services developers use to power their applications, as well as the information made available by those providers. But, in general, we collect the following types of identifiers, commercial information, and other personal information from your financial product and service providers:

    Account information, including financial institution name, account name, account type, account ownership, branch number, IBAN, BIC, and account and routing number;

    Information about an account balance, including current and available balance;

    Information about credit accounts, including due dates, balances owed, payment amounts and dates, transaction history, credit limit, repayment status, and interest rate;

    Information about loan accounts, including due dates, repayment status, balances, payment amounts and dates, interest rate, guarantor, loan type, payment plan, and terms;

    Information about investment accounts, including transaction information, type of asset, identifying details about the asset, quantity, price, fees, and cost basis;

    Identifiers and information about the account owner(s), including name, email address, phone number, date of birth, and address information;

    Information about account transactions, including amount, date, payee, type, quantity, price, location, involved securities, and a description of the transaction; and

    Professional information, including information about your employer, in limited cases where you’ve connected your payroll accounts.

    The data collected from your financial accounts includes information from all your accounts (e.g., checking, savings, and credit card) accessible through a single set of account credentials.

    Information we receive from your devices. When you use your device to connect to our services through a developer’s application, we receive identifiers and electronic network activity information about that device, including IP address, hardware model, operating system, which features within our services you access, and other technical information about the device. We also use cookies or similar tracking technologies to collect usage statistics and to help us provide and improve our services. You can find more information about how we use cookies and your related choices in our Cookie Policy.

    Information we receive about you from other sources. We also receive identifiers and commercial information about you directly from the relevant developer or other third parties, including our service providers, bank partners, and identity verification services. For example, developers may provide information such as your full name, email address, phone number, or information about your financial accounts and account transactions.

    Inferences we derive from the data we collect. We may use the information we collect about you to derive inferences. For example, we may infer your location or your projected income based on the information we have collected about you from other sources.
https://plaid.com/legal/#information-we-collect-and-categories-of-sources

Though bitcoiners are not supposed to be so naïve, now you have to burn that account, then step away from your computer, pour gasoline all over it and set it on fire too!
751  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 16, 2020, 06:01:31 AM
to whom it may concern

yes yall have finally shamed me into finishing setting up the gemini account i started years ago...

What KYC do they want? Is it passport, bank statement and utility bill scans?

started a few years ago (in 2017) so dont remember much. (then) they wanted password access to my the back account i wanted to link to (!!WTF!!) which stopped me dead in me tracks till i could give them an account i wound up making specifically for them and let them have that.


FECKING PASSWORD ACCESS TO YOUR BANK ACCOUNT?

Is that even legal? I bet most banks have a clause in their terms and conditions forbidding disclosure of your password to anyone.

You'd have to be an idiot to give third party your bank login/password, but

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If you are unable to link your bank account via Plaid or prefer not using your online banking credentials to register your bank account, please exit the screen and navigate to Manually link bank and input your wire information. Once your bank account information is set up, you can complete the bank verification process with a successful wire deposit into your account.

https://support.gemini.com/hc/en-us/articles/115004691043-How-do-I-fund-my-Gemini-Account-

or go the hardway and create a burner bank account like vapourminer
752  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 16, 2020, 05:40:20 AM
Do you know who earns 31 Bitcoins per day?

Grayscale.



Fucking unbelievable.

They now own more than 3% of the total bitcoin supply.

Fucking unbelievable.

They sell their Bitcoin at 24,000 USD each.

Fucking unbelievable.

Food for thought, in 24years they'll make more BTC in fees than is mined
753  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 13, 2020, 07:11:55 PM
OT: Another idiot soon to be indicted for shitcoin securities fraud.  Roll Eyes

https://www.coindesk.com/rapper-lil-yachty-sells-out-social-token-in-21-minutes

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"According to the Fyooz app, the sale brought in $276,006. Owning $YACHTY gives fans exclusive access to the Grammy-nominated artist, including surprise boxes prepared by his mom, Venita McCollum, author of the book “Raising a Rapper.”

Token owners can also receive personal items from the rapper’s career and participate in online parties with him, according to Fyooz. "

Have these people learned nothing from the ICO debacle?

When jail, bro?

Tomorrow's news, Lil Yachty had a big boat accident.
754  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 10, 2020, 08:18:06 PM
Read from all sources, it's always good. CoinTelegraph is not saying it, they are quoting someone else as saying it. If anything, the basic fundamentals of bitcoin that we all know can not be changed without consensus. That implies, some certain parameters will never change, such as the halving and money supply, the 10 minute block times, etc.

Addresses may change, new scripts may get added, but the core rules will never change no matter what. There is not enough money at this point (and for maybe awhile now) to try and change it. CZ once mentioned a roll back, and we know that can not be done either. A re-org maybe, but not a roll back to more than a few hours ago.

If you're set for life like Bob or some others, looking into your corns once a year and keeping updated about all the new stuff that's happening may be all you need to do. It's like an annual rebalancing of your portfolio.

Wow new wave of FUD incoming... lifting 21m coins limit, US banning private wallets cmon bears you can do better! What about China bans BTC? That one should work it always did...  Grin
If they could do better then they would be doing it already, the fact that is what they are using shows how weak their position really is, lifting the 21 million coin limit is never going to happen and anyone seriously proposing that will be laughed out of the room, if anything I am seriously questioning myself whether I should ever read anything from cointelegraph ever again.

It's still possible to propose fundamental rule changes, but in any case would result in a fork
755  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 10, 2020, 05:59:47 AM
But at the same time the dude GETS bitcoin. 

Clearly he does not. He just called censorship-resistance and privacy "bad ideas."

And he is right about the bit with trusted layer two like Square.  And lightning is a hobbyist platform today.  Square/CashApp is an actual working product people use.  And before you sling at me too hard... I run 2 lighting nodes.

He's wrong about LN as it is not a competitor of PayPal and Square! It was not developed for that purpose, and its not a centralized entity, much less a corporation. His comparison of LN with the other two is farcical at best and reflects an extremely poor understanding of bitcoin at worst.

Were just gonna disagree on this one.  I see some 3D chess.  I think there is 0% chance he gets why bitcoin is a good place to park a billion dollars, but does not realize censorship resistance is a key reason.  In fact he's made that exact argument several times.

So why, then, would he say the thing he said?

Occam's razor.  It's not even really 3D or Chess...  It's checkers really.

The Michael Saylor quote is being taken out of context. He's arguing that bitcoin needs to be portrayed differently to bring in more of the traditional Wall Street bankers.
That is even simpler than checkers...

Bitcoin does not care any more about our cypherpunk ideals or dreams of citadels, than it does Peter Schiff's hatred of it, or Michael Saylor's mainstream coddling. 

Every kind of person can use it.  And everyone that stands in it's way will be destroyed.

Watch what he does, not what he says
756  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 10, 2020, 05:51:52 AM
What's up with Coinbase ...again?

Wait that's the company that's in the Facebook Libra/Diem Association right? No one knows, seems like you're the only one still using them.



*Mandatory coinbase user reference
757  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 09, 2020, 06:56:51 PM
Citybank said a $300k coin next year.

Jokers...



Citigroup has 204,000 employees.  Not really surprising that different parts of the business have differing views on related topics - the $300k bitcoin proposition came from their FX business (so looking at it from a currency perspective and was almost certainly being deliberately provocative); the assessment of Micro Strategy is from Equity research (looking at the future for the Micro Strategy business).  Expecting everyone at Citi to have exactly the same perspective is like expecting bitcointalk to only have one view on bitcoin ...

Even setting aside the size of the organisation and the different business views, one can be both positive about an asset AND believe someone is over-exposed to that asset at the same time.

Then where's the value in their views? Selective memory for a fortune teller? As long as you have 2 divisions they can always issue opposing "views" and you only "remember"/talk about the correct one win/win situation

The two views are about totally different things: the first is about the potential of Bitcoin as a currency; the second about their view of Microstrategy and their business.  Even if they believe consistently that Bitcoin will increase in value in the medium term (12 months say) they may also believe that Microstrategy are diverting funds in the short term (ie now) at the cost of investing elsewhere and that may have an adversely impact on their business.

I should say I don’t know specifically what the rationale underpinning their views actually is I am simply showing how I think it possible for an organisation to hold both views and still be consistent.  I’d also say that in any case I think your expectation of absolute consistency across such an organisation is probably unrealistic, but not because of any carefully thought through malice and simply because they are so large with such differing business drivers across different divisions that they have naturally different views.

Isn't that the whole point of the CEO, to consolidate and provide consistent message across different possibly competing divisions? But why do it when you can use it to your advantage
Bitcoin moons - remind people how our division predicted $300k/BTC
Bitcoin tanks - remind people how we correctly downgraded Micro Strategy because of their exposure to BTC
why take a single corporate stand when you can cover both cases at once
758  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 09, 2020, 06:06:01 PM
Citybank said a $300k coin next year.

Jokers...



Citigroup has 204,000 employees.  Not really surprising that different parts of the business have differing views on related topics - the $300k bitcoin proposition came from their FX business (so looking at it from a currency perspective and was almost certainly being deliberately provocative); the assessment of Micro Strategy is from Equity research (looking at the future for the Micro Strategy business).  Expecting everyone at Citi to have exactly the same perspective is like expecting bitcointalk to only have one view on bitcoin ...

Even setting aside the size of the organisation and the different business views, one can be both positive about an asset AND believe someone is over-exposed to that asset at the same time.

Then where's the value in their views? Selective memory for a fortune teller? As long as you have 2 divisions they can always issue opposing "views" and you only "remember"/talk about the correct one win/win situation
759  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 09, 2020, 05:09:24 AM
Is this someone trying to front run Gox FUD https://cointelegraph.com/news/bitcoin-price-bearish-alert-as-140k-btc-from-mt-gox-may-move-for-the-first-time
760  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 09, 2020, 01:03:50 AM


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Eshed insists that Trump is aware of them, and that he was "on the verge" of disclosing their existence. However, the Galactic Federation reportedly stopped him from doing so, saying they wished to prevent mass hysteria since they felt humanity needed to "evolve and reach a stage where we will... understand what space and spaceships are," Yediot Aharonot reported.

Ha and all this time people thought that Trump was controlled by Putin when in reality it was...


And they're some really dumb aliens too, thinking Trump can handle something that humanity cannot
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