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1221  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: BTSX+BitUSD vs NuShares+NuBits - which will win the USD peg war? on: August 03, 2016, 04:02:01 AM
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There is also a new competitor- the Steem Dollar (SBD). http://www.steemdollar.com/

There was a rename some time ago, It's called SD now.

Sort of. There was an "official" rename from SBD to SMD to SD. Then all the exchanges listed it as SBD so almost everyone is calling it that now.
1222  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steem pyramid scheme revealed on: August 02, 2016, 09:16:25 AM
But what the fuck do I know. You all better join smooth and power up.

I have been buying ETC for a week as part of rebalancing my crypto holdings. I might be done buying it for now, even though it still has potentially significant upside.

I did see your post yesterday about it, and I agreed with it, but most of my position was already established.

It is not clear from your comments in this thread whether you believe it is impossible or highly improbable for a competitor to Steem to be viable.

Neither.

I think it is becoming somewhat difficult for a direct competitor to overcome the first-mover advantage, especially given that no direct competitors are even ready yet, Steem is still growing quickly, and the platform is improving at a reasonable pace.

But I wouldn't say impossible or even highly improbable. (I would say, though, that, for any particular competitor identified in advance, it is reasonably improbable.)

If growth stalls then the odds shift significantly.

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What I am trying to explain is that the chance of Steem succeeding to become a very successful social network is very improbable. So having more experiments (especially if they are not exact copies of Steem and attempt to diverge greatly from Steem) is the best chance we have of actually hitting a homerun with one of them.

I agree with that and I think I said so earlier in this thread in words similar to these: Most new ventures fail. Most cryptocoins fail. The odds for Steem (or anything else), in absolute terms, are probably not that good. Don't put all your eggs in one basket.

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Unless you state otherwise, I am assuming that your stance is driven much by disbelief in words/plans and strong affinity to shipping projects. If so, I'd agree.

Correct.
1223  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steem pyramid scheme revealed on: August 02, 2016, 08:48:55 AM
SteemServices is not "official" it is a consortium of a few whales (not me) who do marketing and provide other supporting services for the platform. That's a pretty good number of followers for them at half the official twitter. I doubt they literally bought them but they may have run some sort of promotion to encourage it, I don't remember.

*fixed

As far as the witnesses go, is that equivalent to Parker's servers? Or can they adapt in crisis?

I'm not sure what Parker's servers are. Google suggested it has something to do with Minecraft, which I've never followed. Maybe you can elaborate and we can consider what lessons might be learned. We talked a bit about the issue of attacks against witnesses within the past few pages.

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But what the fuck do I know. You all better join smooth and power up.

I have been buying ETC for a week as part of rebalancing my crypto holdings. I might be done buying it for now, even though it still has potentially significant upside.

I did see your post yesterday about it, and I agreed with it, but most of my position was already established.
1224  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Steemit.com: Blogging is the new Mining on: August 02, 2016, 08:28:47 AM
you can register accounts again by your self i believe for free.

This way you can't:

How to get an account without facebook and reddit?
1225  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steem pyramid scheme revealed on: August 02, 2016, 03:13:00 AM
SteemServices is not "official" it is a consortium of a few whales (not me) who do marketing and provide other supporting services for the platform. That's a pretty good number of followers for them at half the official twitter. I doubt they literally bought them but they may have run some sort of promotion to encourage it, I don't remember.
1226  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steem pyramid scheme revealed on: August 02, 2016, 02:27:11 AM
I don't know the details of the database in Steem/Graphine but several different people have said they've tested it at 100x the current transaction volume of Steem and had no problems with ordinary hardware. That takes daily active users to about 4 million, or higher with better hardware.

Note by transaction rate tests you mention, I presume they are referring to computational load and not database load (since for one reason I doubt they even could simulate the real world data load patterns a priori).

I'm not. They ran the ordinary node which writes to a database. Real world load patterns are of course unknowable and I don't know how realistic any of these tests were but there is also a pretty (or very) wide margin between running on ordinary cheap unoptimized hardware and something actually optimized to host a database.

I'm pretty sure ability to handle only the computational load is much, much higher, but that is completely unrealistic, so pointless to even quote those "Wow!" numbers.

There is a deployment scaling issue in that the database not fully ACID and recovery from corruption is slow (more precisely will become slow if the tx volume increases; currently it isn't too bad). The only way to deal with that currently is with redundant systems and trailing backups. It is a pain in the ass, but workable.

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All of this seems to require some coordination, so this is more or less a very centralized blockchain in terms of control.

Yes I agree there.

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But again that is not a near-term issue but I am not confident it is an anti-fragile design.

Also there.

A couple days ago I was syncing up a Bitcoin Core full wallet via USB3 to external USB3 mechanical hard drive.  The chain was already something like 95% done beforehand and I had synced it the same way many times before, but this time after like 10 minutes of going at it with the crunching sound you hear when doing intensive hard drive stuff, a Bitcoin QT has stopped responding message pops up and the drive just stops as every USB port on the computer also stops working (mouse and keyboard dead).  

After reboot, everything works perfectly fine again.  I have never once seen anything like this occur before in Bitcoin, but I often hear people bring up wild claims about Monero doing stuff like this.  The mechanical hard drive wasn't even hot or anything, but it seems like it could not handle the load from the Bitcoin wallet somehow.

Bitcoin transaction volume has steadily increased. It may have finally gotten to the point where recent blocks just can't be indexed on cheap hard drives any more (using Bitcoin Core). i don't know what happened with the mouse and keyboard being dead though.
1227  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: August 02, 2016, 01:44:42 AM
Is it necessary for the global economy to implode for XMR to grow exponentially? Or will people be able to see the merits of fungible cryptocurrency without calamity?


If you are investing based on the premise that the global economy will implode in order for you to make your money, you basically belong on the TV show doomsday preppers.

It kind of depends what you mean by make your money. You can certainly achieve good gains based on continued development and adoption a niche of privacy-focused individuals, private store of wealth, certain niche markets that require decentralized payments, etc. But the enormous gains that come with even realistic prospects for mainstream adoption of any crypto won't come as long as there is no perception of there being any need for it. Of course, if that perception does occur, it will probably be too late to get in cheap...

1228  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steem pyramid scheme revealed on: August 02, 2016, 01:35:34 AM
Btw, 'slam' is not referring to John Conner's accusation that Monero kills every SSD (or what ever he wrote). But it is true that with excessive random writing, the MTBF of the SSD will drop due to several factors of the way an SSD operates at the low-level.

Okay I misunderstood then. FWIW. LMDB does do most writing to the end of the file, not randomly. Of course any database must some point do some random writes, but it is minimized. I think the main reason for Monero having a high user-perceived impact is just that it is optimized to do a lot of precessing in a short term. When you take the sync time from several days down to an hour and do the same work, the intensity is obviously vastly increased. Probably some work is needed on backgrounding and throttling it better (i.e. take two hours on the same equipment at least while the computer is otherwise in use, but in a less annoying way)

I don't know the details of the database in Steem/Graphine but several different people have said they've tested it at 100x the current transaction volume of Steem and had no problems with ordinary hardware. That takes daily active users to about 4 million, or higher with better hardware.
1229  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steem pyramid scheme revealed on: August 02, 2016, 01:16:32 AM
Remember that Monero slams SSDs so I am not so confident that you all are highly expert on this point. (not to say that I am either but I am thinking about the issues)

The person who literally is an expert on that (with a decade of experience developing databases for SSDs), said that particular FUD from an extremely shady competitor was "full of shit" (direct quote). (I also refuted it separately by measuring that routine laptop use generates SSD write volume that vastly dwarfs Monero's). In fact, he replied to you specifically in detail as to why your inexpert concern trolling on the matter was displaying ignorance. So why are you repeating it?

Anyway that is off topic to Steem. The blockchain can clearly scale to orders of magnitude more than current usage. Whether it runs into problems at some point is an issue, but not one for the short term, even with fairly rapid growth.
1230  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steem pyramid scheme revealed on: August 02, 2016, 12:50:42 AM
You are certainly incorrect about scaling, at least on the front end portion.

When I wrote about Websockets versus REST, the scaling issue is of course on the serving end. How can a front end UI ever be a scaling problem since it runs on every client decentralized  Huh

Front end including the web server. You are still incorrect.

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I'm not sure whether the blockchain can scale to the necessary degree without redesign, but that certainly won''t be a problem for quite a while.

It is a problem if a competitor starts to grow at the 100 times faster rate that Ello did. In a month, Steemit's first mover advantage would already been irrelevant.

Yes but the blockchain scaling isn't the issue there.
1231  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: August 02, 2016, 12:46:11 AM
This is a large portion of my thinking about cryptocurrency. If you were around since 2011 as I was then you can appreciate the enormous shift in public confidence in the incumbent financial system. Crypto is surviving and even to an extent thriving despite a five-year trend in the fundamentals of perception that are hugely negative, but I don't really see a moon type event in any crypto without that trend reversing in a big way.

I am pretty sure that "fundamentals of perception" is not intended to allude to Huxley, but not sure what it does reference.  Gox & DAO, perhaps?

Fundamentals meaning likely realizable value based on public perception that the incumbent financial system is broken and either needs replacement or even that there is an opportunity for such a replacement to possibly occur. That perception died a slow death during the period since 2008 (crypto hard core excluded), but mostly since 2010-2011. Prior to that it was still widespread.


1232  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steem pyramid scheme revealed on: August 02, 2016, 12:39:42 AM
Smooth much better if you don't cash any out and buy more STEEM POWER. Why not put your $ where your confidence is?

I'll consider it

Anyway, I never claimed Steem is perfect nor that it will clearly succeed, but it does have a big first mover advantage, isn't terrible, has decent size user base for a crypto (even factoring in the large number of scammer accounts) and is still growing. Thus, I don't think it is certainly doomed. Uncertainty prevails.

The big uncertainty is whether they will remove the quadratic vote weighting and remove the whales' voting power. If they don't do that, they are dead. And if they remove the quadratic voting, they shift their target demographics significantly so there is a lot of risk in that change/transition.

Even if they do that, they are still vulnerable to competition, primarily because Bitcoin investors will prefer one that wasn't so egregiously "pre"-mined and also one where the blockchain is not prevented by license from being forked.

And also it seems there is no way it can be defended against a competitor which removes the stupid 50% debasement of medium-term investors. Which I have a design that can do that.

In short, they probably can't make such big changes.

Those are the big picture reasons, that you apparently do not see clearly yet, but I do.

Also there are other issues that I have been mentioning such as better relevance and scaling design.

The main thing I disagree with there is that Bitcoin investors are almost entirely irrelevant. If it doesn't gain interest and investment from outside of cryptocurrency circles, then it is useless and will fail. That is the entirely of the value proposition here; I'm surprised you don't see that.

You are certainly incorrect about scaling, at least on the front end portion. I'm not sure whether the blockchain can scale to the necessary degree without redesign, but that certainly won''t be a problem for quite a while.
1233  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steem pyramid scheme revealed on: August 02, 2016, 12:22:38 AM
[sell] before it is too late.

Does this remind anyone besides me of the wall observer thread?

Do you mean where I urged rpietila to stop leading n00bs to double-down at $700 and when I said it would decline to $150 and it did?

And that I wasn't saying that Bitcoin had no future. I am saying that Steem has no future.

No you weren't but some do and stylistically it is very similar. Substance may be different, or not.

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Smooth much better if you don't cash any out and buy more STEEM POWER. Why not put your $ where your confidence is?

I'll consider it

Anyway, I never claimed Steem is perfect nor that it will clearly succeed, but it does have a big first mover advantage, isn't terrible, has decent size user base for a crypto (even factoring in the large number of scammer accounts) and is still growing. Thus, I don't think it is certainly doomed. Uncertainty prevails.

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Moreover, why don't you buy any? As far as I know, you've never bought any significant amount of STEEM POWER. It was all gifted to you.

I have bought what I would consider to be a lot of STEEM as part of various trading strategies. I'm not just plainly dumping it. And FWIW, I just powered up 10K STEEM two days ago, but I'm not going to claim that is a massive increase to my investment. As I said earlier, I already have plenty, and increasing significantly from here would be a bad call even if I think it is moon-worthy.

Nothing was gifted to me either (the same can not be said necessarily of others who could have been tipped off, but I certainly wasn't). I may have found it lying around on a forum, but to be clear I did risk significant time and resources mining it. I made the decision to do that after evaluating the prospects and I wouldn't have done so had I found it to have no chance of success.
1234  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: August 02, 2016, 12:01:23 AM
It may be that we are waiting for an extinction event. That is what I mean by calamity. Perhaps the complete or near destruction of global financial system. In that case, people will be running for their lives. XMR could function as a lifeboat alongside precious metals, etc.

This is a large portion of my thinking about cryptocurrency. If you were around since 2011 as I was then you can appreciate the enormous shift in public confidence in the incumbent financial system. Crypto is surviving and even to an extent thriving despite a five-year trend in the fundamentals of perception that are hugely negative, but I don't really see a moon type event in any crypto without that trend reversing in a big way.
1235  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steem pyramid scheme revealed on: August 01, 2016, 11:58:18 PM
[sell] before it is too late.

Does this remind anyone besides me of the wall observer thread?
1236  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency on: August 01, 2016, 10:56:31 PM
@Smooth, what IYO would be the best approach to a decentralized market place? IIRC we were waiting on the multi-sig for that purpose?

Good question. It isn't a problem I've thought a lot about but I think something like my idea for off-chain messaging with on-chain fee payment is probably a good foundation. Listing items, making offers/purchases, etc. could all be messages. Identity, rating, reputations,  web-of-trust, etc. are a tricker problems and probably need some other solution.

Search is unsolved, and openbazzar got a lot of things about the infrastructure obviously wrong (running over UDP which is incompatible with Tor - WTF?, people need to leave their computers on to serve a store - WTF?)


I think it should be left off Monero's blockchain for reasons stated by Smooth in the past about the potential to "bloat" the chain or whatever...

I just think that this theoretical store would need people to run it's own software program and have it's own GUI and everything... like downloading, running a node, and web browsing through tor, in a way... I would assume...

The off-chain message proposal is a good model, in principle. It includes a mechanism for paying a fee on-chain (after all that's the only way you can pay a fee), but the content and most of the interaction is off chain. Even that might become unscalable if the volume of usage is extremely high (so too many fees being paid) but we can address that if and when it happens. For now the bigger issue with Monero is empty blocks, not too many transactions.


3 month bump!

@Smooth, are there any flags that could be set so that the added bloat could be temporary and pruned after a specific time frame or would a HF be required to add one? My mind is weird, I just remembered I never asked this question (I think I took off for a week and forgot about it)! Tongue

If I recall correctly my off-chain message proposal could be implemented without a hard fork. It does require nodes to upgrade, or alternately a completely separate program could be used to transmit the "payload" (perhaps in the case of a commerce application this would be a better approach anyway).

As far as Monero stands today, there isn't really any way to put data on the chain that can be completely pruned. Limited pruning of signatures like what Bitcoin currently does (only storage, not addressing bandwidth) can be done with Monero as well (similar to what is implemented in AEON, but it would need to be redone for LMDB). As I understand it, things are reworked a bit in RingCT and more modes of pruning may be possible, similar to Bitcoin's segwit. I have not followed the coding for RingCT closely though, so I don't know the details.



Do you have a link for your proposal?

No but it was only a relatively short time in this thread before the above exchange. Shouldn't be hard to find.

The basic idea was to get a hash of the message mined into the blockchain (for example doing a tiny transaction and putting the hash of the message in the payment ID), and paying a fee. The mined hash is then honored by the p2p network to allow relaying that specific message for some limited period like two weeks. This doesn't give a direct incentive to the nodes but at least it minimizes the bloat on the blockchain and prevents cost-free spamming of the p2p.
1237  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Steemit.com: Blogging is the new Mining on: August 01, 2016, 10:47:01 PM
Replied elsewhere:

I was curious and tried to sign in (no facebook, nor reddit) and registred my email... however it makes almost 1 week and have still not receive anything back... What should I do to get an account?

Furthermore having to compile the miner... what is this?

very strange.

There are currently no email signups. You can either use Facebook, Reddit, PM me for a paid account, get mining working and mine yourself an account, or wait for other signup methods.

(I mentioned paid account because the member to whom I replied has a Newbie account. If your bitcointalk account is ranked up then getting a Steem account from me is free. The cost of a paid account is equal to the market value of the minimum SP balance in a new account, currently around $10.)

1238  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steem pyramid scheme revealed on: August 01, 2016, 10:35:16 PM
I was curious and tried to sign in (no facebook, nor reddit) and registred my email... however it makes almost 1 week and have still not receive anything back... What should I do to get an account?

Furthermore having to compile the miner... what is this?

very strange.

There are currently no email signups. You can either use Facebook, Reddit, PM me for a paid account, get mining working and mine yourself an account, or wait for other signup methods.
1239  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steem pyramid scheme revealed on: August 01, 2016, 10:31:26 PM
Let's see if any whales will upvote the objective truth or not:

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The first one is the growth rate. Presently, Steemit has ~43,331 registered accounts and has grown with ~10000 new accounts during the last week(an impressive ~31,25 %)

This is a misleading interpretation of the data, because you are not accounting for the abandonment (attrition) rate of new signups.

In my opinion the best way to assess the overall trend is this:

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/steemit.com (link may not work; if not then type in steemit.com when you get redirected to a query page)

Internal statistics are highly skewed by things like low level scammers mining $10 free accounts. But as long as web traffic is increasing and engagement statistics are relatively constant then we know the (non-attritted; active) user base is growing.

The alexa stats currently show a slowing of growth recently but still a high overall growth rate. The ranking has dropped from 50K+ to 20K over the course of a couple of weeks.

This approach will of course need to be replaced if alternate web site and/or clients take hold, but that hasn't happened yet.
1240  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steem pyramid scheme revealed on: August 01, 2016, 02:14:17 PM
Can somebody tell me if you make $5,000 on Steemit when can you actually cash that out?

People always mumble when I ask them that...

75% of the post value goes to the author. 25% goes to the voters.

Of the portion going to the author, half is in Steem Dollars and can be immediately cashed out. Half is in Steem Power which takes two years to cash out (but many users are not even trying to cash them out at this point).

So for a $5000 post, about $3750 would go to the author and of that $1875 could be immediately cashed out. Currently Steem Dollars are trading below par which reduces the value somewhat more, but still probably something like $1500 or more could be in your pocket as fast as it takes to trade the crypto and cash out the Bitcoin.

I hope that didn't constitute mumbling.


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