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1361  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steemit how can this thing be workable long term? on: July 22, 2016, 07:27:44 AM
@ Smooth:  When it says Steem is "invitation only" right now, does that mean someone like Anonymint can invite me, or is registration completely down?

It means you can't register through the web. Someone with the cli tools could still create an account for you.

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Someone already stole my username o_O:

https://steemit.com/@r0ach


That might have been me (reserved some common names of people I know early on). PM me.

How do I downvote comments and posts on Steemit Huh

There's a flag icon on the upper right.

Not for comments. How to downvote comment posts? Ah wait I see it if hover the mouse.

There is a subtle flag for comments too. Look for it, upper right.
1362  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Steemit.com: Blogging is the new Mining on: July 22, 2016, 07:25:49 AM

can any one send me invitation link to join at steem ?

nobody have invitation codes or link. just wait for information when will be open registration.

Incorrect. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1485403.0

1363  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [POLL] !!!!STEEM is it a SCAM !!!!- or only honestly unfair??? you decide. on: July 22, 2016, 07:17:25 AM
@decentralized, as far as I can tell Stan has nothing to do with Steem.


I just picked myself up off the floor after I fell off my chair from laughing so hard.

Seriously now... Do you honestly expect anyone to believe that?

What's the incentive to lie. Few people in this world even seem to care outside of you.


You can't honestly sit there with a straight face and tell us that Stan Larimer has nothing to do with Steem.  Come on get real.  You know as well as I do that Stan and Dan are the father and son conman team from hell and whatever one is involved in the other is too.  If you actually believe Stan isn't involved in Steem, you're deluding yourself.

I am among the ~7.4 billion people on this planet who don't give a fuck if Stan is involved or not. However, I've seen no evidence that the is.
1364  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [POLL] !!!!STEEM is it a SCAM !!!!- or only honestly unfair??? you decide. on: July 22, 2016, 01:38:00 AM
@decentralized, as far as I can tell Stan has nothing to do with Steem.


I just picked myself up off the floor after I fell off my chair from laughing so hard.

Seriously now... Do you honestly expect anyone to believe that?

What's the incentive to lie. Few people in this world even seem to care outside of you.
1365  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steemit how can this thing be workable long term? on: July 22, 2016, 12:13:27 AM
If you mean the market cap reported by coinmarketcap they exclude some of the coins held by steemit that have never circulated, same as they do for ripple and others.

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I was unsure as to what numbers to use on Steemd.com side bar to get the total SP and total STEEM. I think that is the issue...

total SP = total_vesting_fund_steem

total Steem = current_supply

total Steem, assuming all SD converted to Steem at the current price = virtual_supply
1366  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [POLL] !!!!STEEM is it a SCAM !!!!- or only honestly unfair??? you decide. on: July 22, 2016, 12:09:27 AM
@decentralized, as far as I can tell Stan has nothing to do with Steem.
1367  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: July 22, 2016, 12:05:05 AM
Make 16GB RAM a requirement and 80%+ of botnets (low spec machines in latin america, china and russia) will be gone forever...

Along with 99% of the users. There is no distinction that the blockchain can make between botnets and grandma.
1368  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steemit how can this thing be workable long term? on: July 21, 2016, 05:06:00 AM
The design choice to give whales quadratic (votes x votes) influence

No, the post payouts are determined by some function based on sum(votes)^2 not sum(votes^2) so user stake weights are basically linear. Post weights are quadratic giving the "lottery" payoff effect (also necessary to ensure that people who vote for themselves with no agreement from others end up losing on average), but it doesn't matter if one person votes with 10X stake or ten people with X stake.

An earlier version of the function was more heavily weighted toward larger stakes but that was removed (even though the extra weighting is a positive in some ways).
1369  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steemit how can this thing be workable long term? on: July 21, 2016, 04:23:27 AM
Steem price can never "collapse" entirely - because the power to "direct" what content dominates a successful media/social platform will always be something of tremendous value to those who want to create and promote trends, commercialize the trends that they create, etc etc.

There is definitely going to be demand, but not on the "user" level. More on the corporate or ultra-whale level.

Non-sequitor. Whales dominating which content gets ranked is killing the site. So your "successful" assumption is in-congruent with your reasoning.

(keep the rebuttals coming, as I thought of all of them already)

It's not working because current whales aren't doing their work right in terms of curation... The human factor is at fault here, not the system itself.

Human factors are a consideration that has to be part of the design of any system that interacts with humans. There is no distinction.
1370  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steemit how can this thing be workable long term? on: July 20, 2016, 10:53:37 PM
But what is their attrition rate? We don't know yet as the data is not organized for us.

You can analyze the blockchain and look at how activity drops off on new accounts. Only posting and voting is visible (not reading) but I'd guess the number who read and don't even vote is pretty small (and likely somewhat constant so irrelevant to analyzing trends).

This is pretty easy to do and can be done in any scripting language, though you would need to compile and run a node (doing this kind of bulk analysis using a remote node would be impractical or impossible).
1371  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steemit how can this thing be workable long term? on: July 20, 2016, 12:39:54 PM
But that is 57 million Steem tokens at 10 tokens per signup, so they need 5.7 million signups.

Tokens per signup is variable. The currently advertised promotion is $10 worth of Steem Power. Given the price increase that means tokens per new account are reduced to 2-3. In the future the promotion might changed.

Also most of the 57 million is held as SP which means it is earning more tokens. Of course if the price declines then a $10 effective signup bonus would require more tokens too.

@iamnotback, the license for the blockchain prohibits forking. It is more of a shared source model than purely open source. Graphine is open source but the fairly extensive Steem modifications are not.
1372  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steemit how can this thing be workable long term? on: July 20, 2016, 11:44:39 AM
Well, for one thing the price of STEEM on the Steemit-Market is constantly suppressed...
Right now STEEM costs about $4.45 USD on Polo... but only $3.09 USD on Steemit-Market (30% discount).

This has very little to do with the internal market (the same prices prevail externally) and you are confusing units.

STEEM costs $4.45 USD on Polo, but only $3.09 SBD on Steemit-Market.

Now check the price of SBD on Polo and you will see that 1 USD != 1 SBD (in fact 1 SBD = about $1.40 USD). That's because the pegging method in use has not been very effective overall, but this is another issue. At various times SBD has been above, below and about at par with USD.

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But when a n00b uses the Deposit Function to "Buy STEEM" with BTC...
Steemit Inc is charging $4.69 right now... then can just buy it back for $3.09.

No, see above. Also the "Buy STEEM" function doesn't use the internal market. It can't because the internal market doesn't trade BTC, USD or any other external currency.

Potential issues that I came across today

1) Someone pointed out the fact that steemit has no fees. My question was, ok, then how does it prevent spam?

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https://steemit.com/steemit/@steemship/the-missing-link-has-steemit-revolutionized-micropayments-or-made-them-obsolete#@alexgr/re-steemship-the-missing-link-has-steemit-revolutionized-micropayments-or-made-them-obsolete-20160719t214207846z

"1.) Problem: Fees. Solution: Steem has no transaction fee."

Question: Isn't that an attack vector where someone can just bloat the blockchain - in the order of terabytes? How is that avoided here?


I covered that upthread. They rate limit the transactions, which has some negative implications for certain potential applications. And there is a transaction fee, which is the cost of holding Steem while it is debased 9X more than SP (since SP can't be transacted).

A rate limit can only be effective along with size limitations. Otherwise if you have, say, a rate limit of 1 post per second per account, but no size limitations, then

-with one account
-you can make 86400 txs per day
-let's assume 20kb size

=1.7gb spam. If the txs are ike 100kb, that's 8.6gb per day.

At a more restrictive 2 sec between txs / 2kb per tx, you have 43200 txs per day x 2kb = 86mb. For a single account. If someone buys 100 such accounts, it's 8.6gb per day.

I'm really curious on how no fees can work.

Blockchains are good, but not really efficient in dealing with spam.

There are two levels of limits. The first level is things like time per post. That doesn't consider size (other than limits on the size of a post) is somewhat circumventable by creating more accounts.

The second level is stake-limited bandwidth, is not circumventable, and is based on size.

The first limit is more intended to encourage reasonable behavior by people with a reputation, or perhaps more importantly by compromised accounts with a reputation. The second is the real anti-spam limit. You would run out of bandwidth and your network access would be suspended (until bandwidth recharges) long before spamming 8.6 GB/day.
1373  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steemit how can this thing be workable long term? on: July 19, 2016, 04:00:23 PM
SD is $1.46032690671 according to http://www.steemdollar.com/

SP value: $3262.44
SD value: $3927.10
Total value: $7189.54

SD is up a ton because idiots are running up the price on Polo at the moment- there was/is a huge arbitrage opportunity this morning. Poloniex just added STEEM and SD, so traders may not yet understand SD is supposed to stay around $1 USD.

Ah the $1.46 SD valuation threw off my calculation. And the UI is reporting it as $1 per SD apparently. Thanks. Now I need to convert my SD asap.

Do I convert my SD to STEEM in order to next convert them to SP? Will I receive that $1.46 market value if I convert SD to STEEM, or do I need to click "Buy or Sell" instead?

Don't use "convert" it will use a one-week future price feed which will probably be lower than present (although you could indeed gamble that the future premium on SD expands). Buy and sell is likely better.
1374  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steemit how can this thing be workable long term? on: July 19, 2016, 10:17:07 AM
EDIT (correction): I forgot to look at their wallet balances. I see they have somehow accumulated up to $300k since inception, yet I only see roughly $10k per week lately for them. They probably made much of their SP early on when no competition. So I guess I maintain that it is a lot of hard work to become a millionaire blogging on Steemit and competition is increasing.

If becoming a newly millionaire on Steem becomes easy, competition will arrive to make it not easy.

If you are a popular personality, e.g. Max Kaiser, then you were already a millionaire.

I don't see this as a problem. Do you?

Of course I don't. I agree on all counts except the small point on them making most of their SP early on. No payouts were made until July 4 and all posts up until that point had to compete from the same pool. This may have been somewhat easier than the current pool, but not by a large factor (in fact price appreciation since increasing the size of the pool is probably more significant).

BTW, speaking of Max Kaiser: https://twitter.com/maxkeiser/status/754110399666987009

1375  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steemit how can this thing be workable long term? on: July 19, 2016, 04:03:56 AM
The best blogging personalities do it well. Subject matter experts are not always expert bloggers.

The expert bloggers I've seen on the site are averaging $100s payouts, not $1000s. So my point remains. I'd love to see some evidence? Are you thinking the most expert have not arrived yet?

That is certainly true. When the real talent arrives the results will ecplise what any of the current crop are doing. But that requires a user base and traffic large enough to support such talent as well. Most (a few early adopters excepted) won't be bothered at the current scale.

Even so there are some talented bloggers who can keep it fresh and continue getting an audience. I wouldn't knock $100s either, especially high hundreds. That's good income for a blog post, especially for those who post regularly.

Here are three that come to mind right away (there are more, including some very distinct styles). Only one is really a subject matter expert (steemship -- attorney) the rest are just effective writers and interesting if not exactly always likable personalities. All have multiple posts >$1000 and consistent $100s. Check their wallet balances. I don't think any of them have invested outside money, but I could be wrong.

https://steemit.com/@cryptoctopus
https://steemit.com/@steemship
https://steemit.com/@stellabelle


1376  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steemit how can this thing be workable long term? on: July 19, 2016, 03:47:16 AM
My prior post refutes that whales can increase their wealth significantly via voting, thus I don't understand how personality has anything to do with being a regular winner of the groupthink lottery? That lottery is that which ever posts gain the most momentum, also more or less get the most votes.

Obviously a post that is extremely important such as my recent one, is going to have a very good chance of winning that lottery. But can I do that consistently? I doubt it. We'll see...

Empirically some posters are consistently doing better. You could call that groupthink about which posters or types of posts to look for, but my observation is that it correlates with some expansive definitions of quality. I think the momentum argument is valid, but 'quality' (however you want to define that) serves as an early tipping point which determines which points start to get momentum. Yes I do think the beauty makeover had a form of quality, but other posts and posters with more 'substance' have as well. (Sorry, if we may disagree on the beauty makeover post, but that's a small point anyway,)

Agreed those that can win the lottery are filtered first by quality by the whales (which doesn't solve the one-size-fits-all problem).

And my point remains, e.g. Biophil is finding out that eventually the site grows weary of the same expertise:

https://steemit.com/gametheory/@biophil/what-s-a-minnow-to-do-the-game-theory-of-steem-part-4

Part of the talent is keeping it fresh and not pushing one topic to the point of exhaustion. The best blogging personalities do it well. Subject matter experts are not always expert bloggers.
1377  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steemit how can this thing be workable long term? on: July 19, 2016, 03:31:54 AM
I don't know why Ned and Dan don't have someone manipulating the price as Ethereum does. Seems that with their large holdings, and the very small float of STEEM, they'd be buying from themselves to jack the price up.

Their holdings are illiquid and quite transparent and only a small portion has been liquidated (and if you work out the numbers and think about the likely run rate for the development team, it has very likely been spent). They may have other resources, but there are no ICO funds and there is no huge warchest from already-realized trading profits.

Yes, it was a sneaky-mine and it was underhanded, but when it comes to lack of transparency and opportunities for manipulation it is miles ahead of coins like Dash or Bytecoin (and Ethereum) where a huge slush fund was immediately (or at least almost immediately) available with no accountability at all.

Not exactly. Perhaps you forgot your own major point to me, that insiders can take out loans and pay them back with their guaranteed revenue stream.

"Guaranteed"

My point was specifically addressing ICOs which claim high participation as a marketing technique. It is true that credit could be used to pump a market directly, but the lender is taking a real risk here, unlike the case of an ICO where shill buyers is just a fake transaction with no risk at all.

Anyway, yes some sort of credit could probably be arranged, even with risk. I kind of consider that to be "other resources" of which many variations exist.

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My prior post refutes that whales can increase their wealth significantly via voting, thus I don't understand how personality has anything to do with being a regular winner of the groupthink lottery? That lottery is that which ever posts gain the most momentum, also more or less get the most votes.

Obviously a post that is extremely important such as my recent one, is going to have a very good chance of winning that lottery. But can I do that consistently? I doubt it. We'll see...

Empirically some posters are consistently doing better. You could call that groupthink about which posters or types of posts to look for, but my observation is that it correlates with some expansive definitions of quality. I think the momentum argument is valid, but 'quality' (however you want to define that) serves as an early tipping point which determines which points start to get momentum. Yes I do think the beauty makeover had a form of quality, but other posts and posters with more 'substance' have as well. (Sorry, if we may disagree on the beauty makeover post, but that's a small point anyway,)

1378  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steemit how can this thing be workable long term? on: July 19, 2016, 02:30:58 AM
I don't know why Ned and Dan don't have someone manipulating the price as Ethereum does. Seems that with their large holdings, and the very small float of STEEM, they'd be buying from themselves to jack the price up.

Their holdings are illiquid and quite transparent and only a small portion has been liquidated (and if you work out the numbers and think about the likely run rate for the development team, it has very likely been spent). They may have other resources, but there are no ICO funds and there is no huge warchest from already-realized trading profits.

Yes, it was a sneaky-mine and it was underhanded, but when it comes to lack of transparency and opportunities for manipulation it is miles ahead of coins like Dash or Bytecoin (and Ethereum) where a huge slush fund was immediately (or at least almost immediately) available with no accountability at all.

I came to accept a long time ago that I will always be a lowly peasant in the cryptocurrency community and no one cares what I say.  Cheesy

If you want to get rich, you either do that by being a developer or an investor. No one (well maybe one or two) will become a newly millionaire from writing blog posts at Steemit.

If it is sustainable, even not with he current typical post values, I expect the most successful personalities to become quite wealthy. Power law returns and all that. Already a few have made $100K. Obviously a portion of that is being an early adopter of something that didn't crash and burn immediately, and it is also illiquid, But some of it is just being a top talent in a system set up to most reward the best of the best.
1379  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steemit how can this thing be workable long term? on: July 18, 2016, 09:48:58 PM
"What is steem?" => "You post and make money"
"What is ethereum?" => "Smart contracts" => "What's that?" => (discussion becomes too technical)

Money shot

Steem is the first crypto that you can actually sell, at all, to regular people. Not saying everyone will be interested but the percentage is much, much higher than anything else, including Bitcoin (which most people respond with "I have dollars, why do I need or would I want Bitcoins?")


This.

So the more Steem Power you have, the higher your own posts are trending? Is that correct?

No. I'm one of the largest Steem Power holders and if I vote on a post but no one else does (or not many with SP) it barely appears on the trending page (usually have to scroll down many pages to find it).

You have to get votes from a lot of people to appear high on the trending page.

1380  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Steemit how can this thing be workable long term? on: July 18, 2016, 09:29:19 PM
"What is steem?" => "You post and make money"
"What is ethereum?" => "Smart contracts" => "What's that?" => (discussion becomes too technical)

Money shot

Steem is the first crypto that you can actually sell, at all, to regular people. Not saying everyone will be interested but the percentage is much, much higher than anything else, including Bitcoin (which most people respond with "I have dollars, why do I need or would I want Bitcoins?")
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