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1361  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: is ETH centralized or decentralized? on: August 16, 2015, 04:23:17 PM
https://www.theprotocol.tv/adept-demo-ibm-samsung/
here is ibm adept video, they talk about bitcoin, bittorent and ethoream. i don't see any ethoream in action in this video, i believed none of the demo in this video is using any ethoream coding. people would need to pay ethoream to use washer machine and to use remote control which can achieve with a simple java coding. i see this is probably the reason why the head of ibm adept is already gone. at this point ethoream is just pure HYPE. eth is basically still a vaporware at this point and it would take years before they can prove anything.

Thanks. I watched the video and found much the same as in the articles, just a passing reference to Ethereum mainly used as illustrative examples, not warranting the hype coming from some in the ETH community.
1362  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNOFFICIAL] VNL | Vanillacoin 0.3.1 | DarkPP/MinerPP/CoinPP | ZeroTime TestNet on: August 16, 2015, 04:10:04 PM
Of interesting note..

There is only about 130,000 VNL between here and a double in price to the "wall".

That's just over 1% of the coin.

Smooth sailing!


Screw that miner wall at 60k. Once we get there then let them become idiots by arbitration on Bittrex. Buy at 60k sell at more instantly....that will teach them.

Wouldn't that essentially be transferring the wall to another exchange, albeit at a slightly higher price? Thus you would be doing the exact same thing that they are doing, putting price resistance on the market.
1363  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Thoughts regarding "satoshis" post today on the mailing list? on: August 15, 2015, 08:47:18 PM

The more we debate, the more it seams that someone is utilizing the old "Divide and conquer " technique ?!

I am not claiming to be aware of all the ins and outs on both sides of this debate, but from what I have read/understood so far, on this point I can agree.

Seems that both sides are tossing up arguments, oftentimes in the form of FUD. This only serves to leave newcomers and people not up to speed on such things left with the impression of infighting and therefore an overall less trustworthy opinion of the community and Bitcoin as a whole. I think we can already see this reflected in the price, and I wouldn't doubt it continues to drop until this is resolved.
1364  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: is ETH centralized or decentralized? on: August 15, 2015, 06:03:19 PM
is ETH store everything on it wallet and blockchain or it have to depend on a centrallized machines somewhere else?
i guessed no one can answer me anything, it's all about trading and no one really know crap about ETH.

i think if ETH and ETH dapp is centralized then it should be worth nothing. third party company like coinbase or blockchain should easily build contract and app around bitcoin, even little kid using java can build contract around bitcoin as third party. java is free! i guessed i will have to look into this if ETH and ETH dapp is centralized or decentralized.

Whether ether if centralised or decentralised i personally dont like the way ether was launched, to this day there isnt a proper announcement page for ether with total coins, algo, pools and other stuff, devs who dont get paid actually do a better job in my opinion.  


This is my problem as well. I hear all the great things about ETH and I am indeed intrigued, but when I go and try to find hard concrete evidence I come up empty. One of the biggest claims being thrown around rather loosely is the IBM and Samsung association.

The only thing I have found so far to back this up is a link on the bottom of ETH homepage with the IBM logo, but instead of going to a IBM or Samsung site, it instead points to a third party: https://www.theprotocol.tv/adept-demo-ibm-samsung/.

This article then references ADEPT, the Autonomous Decentralized Peer-to-Peer Telemetry project and provides a link to: http://ibm.biz/devicedemocracy. Searching this document yields no results for Ethereum.

I then search IBM's main site using the search function at the top of the page, and I do get three results. Two look like some type of support issues not really relevant upon reading them, but the first one is interesting, it is titled: Device democracy Saving the future of the Internet of Things, so I go read the pdf to investigate further. http://public.dhe.ibm.com/common/ssi/ecm/gb/en/gbe03620usen/GBE03620USEN.PDF

I search the pdf for Ethereum, and the only thing I can find is the footnote at the bottom:

Quote
15
“A Next-Generation Smart Contract and Decentralized Application Platform.” GitHub:
ethereum/wiki.
https://github.com/ethereum/wiki/wiki/%5BEnglish%5D-White-Paper
.
Accessed on August 29, 2014

So I look through the pdf to find the referenced quote and I find this:

Quote
Why blockchains work for the IoT
A technology breakthrough that has fundamentally changed our notions of centralized authority,
the blockchain is a universal digital ledger that functions at the heart of decentralized financial
systems such as Bitcoin, and increasingly, many other decentralized systems.

The blockchain holds a record of every transaction made by every participant. Cryptography
is used to verify transactions and keep information on the blockchain private. Many participants
verify each transaction, providing highly redundant verification and are rewarded for the
computational work required. By confirming transactions using decentralized consensus,
the blockchain eliminates the need for trust.

While the blockchain may carry regulatory and economic risk as a long-term store of value
(as in the case of Bitcoin), it can be quite revolutionary as a transaction processing tool.
15


In our vision of a decentralized IoT, the blockchain is the framework facilitating transaction
processing and coordination among interacting devices. Each manages its own roles and
behavior, resulting in an “Internet of Decentralized, Autonomous Things” – and thus the
democratization of the digital world (see Figure 5).

I highlighted in red the portion referencing footnote 15, the one referring to Ethereum. As you can see, they talk more about Bitcoin, and make just a passing reference to how the block chain can be used for a transaction processing tool which then refers to the Ethereum wiki page.

Well long story short, call me a bit underwhelmed by this support by IBM.

Maybe I am missing more relevant discussion or links, and if so please point them out. As I said before I am interested, but have yet to find any solid evidence to support all the claims.
1365  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNOFFICIAL] VNL | Vanillacoin 0.3.1 | DarkPP/MinerPP/CoinPP | ZeroTime TestNet on: August 15, 2015, 03:40:27 PM
Yes, i made profit with ETH, and now i invested in VNL.
You could buy yourself a few wives with the potential profits.

Lol, do that and all your profits will  be gone, one wife is bad enough. Wink
1366  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What's going to happen to Litecoin price? on: August 15, 2015, 03:34:08 PM
Only a little over 9 days away now, I would have expected the price to start moving up if it was going to by now.

As others have already pointed out, the recent pump/dump might have been the expected rise everyone was waiting for and now that we are still double the end of May price it might be as good as it gets for Litecoin. I would expect the price to fall somewhat after the halving, probably not back to $1.50 again, but settle somewhere around the $2.50-$3.00 mark. I think one of the problems, that's even been hinted at in this thread, is there are still a lot of LTC bag-holders just waiting for a good price to dump. This huge dump potential will more than offset the reduced coin supply being mined, so any hopes of $10 Litecoin in the next 10 days is very unlikely at this point.
1367  Economy / Speculation / Re: What will happen if Bitcoin reach 1 USD exchange rate? on: August 15, 2015, 04:43:26 AM
So if it did drop to $1, what would stop it from going lower, why not 1 cent? At that price, 21 million cents, or $210,000 would buy up every possible BTC. At any rate it would become totally worthless as who would want back in once one or two whales controlled all the BTC and everyone else left beaten and broke.

I don't know what the absolute bottom would be of a big sell off, but I would think It would start to get some heavy support as it neared $100 and would have a hard time dropping much below that as buyers would only start to increase exponentially.
1368  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Crypto is IQ test, on: August 14, 2015, 06:02:04 PM
I think my IQ dropped just by reading this thread... Wink
1369  Economy / Economics / Re: Ron Paul interviews amagimetals.com CEO on Bitcoin on: August 14, 2015, 01:15:20 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iopJzlenYT8

Good stuff. I think Amagi Metals had balls to go full Bitcoin only and they are doing well.

I know this is a bit old but....
Amagi Metals doesnt even take BTC as payment anymore, they havent for months now. Their site is hardly ever updated and seems like they just arent doing crap anymore.
WTF gives? Do you know?

Where are you seeing they don't accept bitcoin anymore? I placed a test order in the shopping cart and got to the part where I could pay and choose bitcoin, so not sure what problems you were having. I have used them in the past with no issues.
1370  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Mining is clearly profitable still, why was cex.io allowed to defraud investors on: August 14, 2015, 12:50:10 PM
Well at least they spelled it out upfront that they could basically stop mining in their sole discretion when it became unprofitable. Anyone using their service agreed to these terms, but I wonder how many actually bothered to read and understand them before buying. Many other sites were outright scams that just ran off with the money, I seem to remember some scrypt cloud service that disappeared after only a month. In the end I guess it is buyer beware.
But it's not unprofitable! There's about $10 million of new Bitcoin generated daily, numerous firms and individuals are mining profitably.

Reality is Bitcoin mining will ALWAYS be profitable, if it gets too costly hash rate goes down and profits per gh/s go up. It is fundamentally flawed to think Bitcoin mining could become unprofitable on the industrial scale.

The problem is it is up to their (cex.io) discretion which determines if it is unprofitable or not according to the terms people agreed to when signing up. Since it was a bit vague in that they gave no specifics, you are probably right in that they just made the decision which was most favorable to their self-interests.

To me the whole cloud mining didn't make a lot of sense in the first place. If these so called cloud miners were that profitable, they would simply keep it private and build their business up as the profits rolled in.
1371  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Mining is clearly profitable still, why was cex.io allowed to defraud investors on: August 14, 2015, 12:14:47 PM
Well at least they spelled it out upfront that they could basically stop mining in their sole discretion when it became unprofitable. Anyone using their service agreed to these terms, but I wonder how many actually bothered to read and understand them before buying. Many other sites were outright scams that just ran off with the money, I seem to remember some scrypt cloud service that disappeared after only a month. In the end I guess it is buyer beware.
1372  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Windows 10 and Bitcoin Discussion on: August 14, 2015, 02:31:37 AM
When windows 7 came out, users complained that the network tray icon doesn't blink to show activity, a freeware utility came out to solve that. Windows 8 didn't have a classic start button, freeware solved that too. So I think the privacy problem will also be solved by a freeware utility soon. Wait a couple of months and someone will release one.

Couple of months?
A executable script that fixes all concerns came out within days of release.

https://github.com/10se1ucgo/DisableWinTracking/releases

The problem with this is the fact that in the past Microsoft has re-enabled the "default settings" on certain patches, thus you would still need to keep an eye on it long term to make sure it doesn't become accidentally undone. Wink
1373  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Marketplace (Altcoins) / Re: Big LTC Pump! August 2015! Welcome on: August 13, 2015, 04:29:51 PM
Where to send the LTC?
Trick to send LTC: Li8MbWsGCunJNWjRqLG1oz4kric2wyPe8p


So far it is looking like he has convinced a grand total of "0" people to invest. Wink

https://block-explorer.com/address/Li8MbWsGCunJNWjRqLG1oz4kric2wyPe8p







1374  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Marketplace (Altcoins) / Re: Big LTC Pump! August 2015! Welcome on: August 13, 2015, 02:17:59 AM
This sounds like the alleged Chinese Ponzi scheme, but at least they are not asking for 500 LTC entry fee.
1375  Economy / Micro Earnings / Re: how much can you make weekly? on: August 12, 2015, 08:52:55 PM
suppose you sign in many faucet websites, stay online for approximately 15 hours a day for a week. raping the faucet cashout and captcha solving MANUALLY. no bots involved.

how much will you earn at the end of the week?

i have been trying to understand faucets. how much you can make out of faucets a week. every person will have a different answer since there over a dozen if not more faucet websites that you can earn.

taking into consideration that we are spending 15hours on btc and ltc faucets altogether for 7 days in a row.

There is one faucet paying 1200 sat every 15 minutess = 4800 sat hour

There are a few like MoonBitcoin that pay on a timer, minimum 5 minutes between claims, say another 4800 sat hour.

Quite a few that pay between 800-1200/hour, say 1000 average on at least 10 someone reputable faucets = 10000 hour total

There are a bunch of shit ones paying less, but say you really were committed maybe pick up another 2400 hour

So we have 4800 + 4800 + 10000 + 2400 = 22000 satoshis/hr

22000 satoshis/hour * 15 hours = 330000 sat/day.

330000 satoshis/day * 7 = 2310000 sat/week.

2310000 satoshis (0.0231 BTC) * $270 (current BTC price) = $6.237 week

You could make a few extra dollars by playing other alt faucets in-between claims, but you would be working 15 * 7 (105) hours a week for less than $10/week, or $0.095 /hour. This also does not factor in electricity, internet, etc., so it really is not sustainable in any form whatsoever.
1376  Other / Off-topic / Re: Gigantic explosion at Bitcoin mining farm in Tianjin China on: August 12, 2015, 06:45:38 PM
Video shows "Gas Station Explosion"....

Nothing to see here, move along.
1377  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ask me anything about Guldencoin! on: August 12, 2015, 12:43:27 AM
Will Guldencoin make my pancakes taste better?
1378  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: seen this shit ETH took over poloniex XMR is nothing but a second class shitcoin on: August 11, 2015, 11:33:20 PM


i see this as a permanent one
everyone is dumping manero for eth right now
soon people going to dump this pyramid scam eth shit for some other scam
o loard this scam altcoin world
lol

Anyway, the gif is great. Smiley

I also feel another dump is imminent for ETH, just because of its popularity, lots of money changing hands ATM. I am not sure of its future status but it sure is interesting to watch for now. I will be staying on the sidelines until it settles down.
1379  Economy / Speculation / Re: What about this? on: August 10, 2015, 10:24:44 PM
I don't look at graphs personally and can't stand them. Sometimes they are right, most of the times they are not. Everybody can make a graph that suits them. We need to look at the general health of the whole ecosystem. Investments, news, number of new users, rise in number of transactions, et.. This means much more to me than a bunch of lines!

The graph is correct as many boom bust cycles have proven it correct time and time again. What differs is the time-frame chosen and amplitude of the price. Myself I do not think we have had the despair phase yet, need some sub $100 for awhile to really shake out the weak hands, after that happens look-out. This may be a year or two away yet, it hard to tell as you can only correctly fit the graph to reality in hindsight.
1380  Economy / Services / Re: ★☆★ 777Coin Signature & Personal MSG Campaign ★☆★ Newb to Hero [RE-OPEN] on: August 10, 2015, 03:48:31 PM
Do this offer still available for newbee @lightlord .. Huh

or the slop of 100 has been filled up ..

let me know so i can register
you can still join though there are alot of  vacant slots stated in their spreadsheet
Doc: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VnxIQYrmyaLDY0nHNYu3FowAdgrf6y0cvNGTnEFP8mA/edit#gid=1747091762
but im not paid yet even though i just joined last sat and accomplished the minimum req of 20 post before sunday

I was confused my first week as well, but will try and explain how I believe it works based upon the last few weeks.

They count all your relevant posts from Sunday-Saturday each week and add up the results and update the spreadsheet on Sunday. Checking the spreadsheet in the OP after it is updated will show you your earnings and how many posts qualified, those will be highlighted in green (note that certain posts are excluded as well as one line posts or simple reply's such as "I agree", posts need to be constructive to be counted).

Izanagi who maintains the spreadsheet needs to submit this info to LightLord for the actual payment. Payment is usually made on Monday or Tuesday for the previous weeks postings.
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