Another false flag. We don't know about the true identity of the attacker. And from the slogans which he shouted before the attack, I believe that he is also from an Islamic background. And from the article, it is clear that the perpetrator suffered from acute schizophrenia. So it seems that the attack resulted from mental illness, rather than Islamophobia. I'm sorry but what you are stating here is wrong, As a French and since this case was big, it was impossible to miss any information about it, it was clearly an islamophobic attack. Also According to officiel and several organisation (in France), Islamophobia cases has skyrocketed after the Terrorist attack on Charlie Hebdo I can list some if you want (there was an increase in antisemite act last year as well but that's another story). The other which I mentioned before is what you are exactly stating above ie Every attack done on a muslim is related to mental issues, but when it's a muslim doing them it's automatically terrorism which stupid. you don't believe that every cases done against any muslim is related to mental issue and excusable and statically it's impossible. I can fix this problem for you. Belief in Islam is a mental illness. (LOL...) if only the solution was as simple as that .... Joking aside, though.... It should be of importance to look at cause and effect. Let's parse it like this. Muslims commit atrocities --> various people kill Muslims No, wait. We can do better than that. Someone/group draws cartoons of Mohammed --> Muslim group commits atrocities --> various people kill Muslims --> in reaction to the absurdity of those killings, a lady decides to have a draw Mohammed cartoon contest --> Muslim wanna be commandos try to kill her Looks like one Muslim terrorist goal is to do things bad enough that they will engender a response, so that the cycles of violence will definitely continue. Well, the history of use of those tactics pretty much defined Arafat's entire career. Create media events about "the evil Jews" but always leave out the historical chain of events and the atrocities that engendered the response. So there's nothing new in this, and it's not limited to lone wolf terrorists. Now, back to the subject of "Islamophobia." As post #1 used the phrase, it was a hijacked term used as an intimidating word, one to shut people up who said anything against Islam. You wouldn't thing there actually might be some things to be said against islam, would you? Of course there are some "Muslim" terrorist that want to use the situation to their advantage like you've mentioned, but that's only one side of the story, the other way around is true, there are people that initiate this kind of situation to their own advantages from politics to the weapon lobbies are just some random sect... As for the Islamophobia term, no this is wrong, You can say whatever you want about Islam I think no muslim will mind you saying you disagree, just keep it civil because people will get offended if you insult and mock them especially when it comes to their strongest believes or things they like being it muslims or not. I've provided example of Islamophic acts (recognised officially as such) being it on scale or just individual act. Of course this doesn't mean that there aren't people that uses as you mentioned to shut other people down but this in case of Islam is marginal especially when you consider the number of Muslim around the world ie Third of world population ( There are other groups that have better tools and organization that fall more in the definition you are portraying) |
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Curoman, Countryfree, I admire your idealism. What help are we talking about? I support development help, but isnt that exactly what northern hemisphere was doing in the past four decades (I am talking about subsaharan Africa, not middle East)? In the mean time local population had tripled or in some regions quadrupled, yet living standarts remained virtually the same. Maybe the reason, why south Asia (which was much poorer after the WW2, than colonial Africa) is becoming worlds economic engine, while Africa just gets more miserable isnt about foreign help, think about it. I'm not expecting the present situation to last long as this is raising popularity of the far right. Since elections are never far away in Italy, Renzi will have to act to keep moderate voters behind him.
Renzi, just did act "moderate". He annouced, that, if mandatory migrant quotas are not accepted by other countries, Italy will give free euro visa to everybody, who so far entered the country. Italian state will by this act alone, effectively legalize trans-med human trafficking and any sort of semblance of border control and security for its partners in Europe. No so long ago, this would be act of terrorism and reason for declaration of war. I am for cancelling of Shengen and putting troops and militias on borders. As are 85% of my compatriots right now. This isn't the only option, but with thousands arriving every month, and France blocking them at its border, Italy badly needs to do something. It just cannot afford to keep tens of thousands of migrants. There will hundred of thousands soon, something must be done. Canceling shengen would be a huge set back to the EU economy and integration and that's not a solution, you are just adding an additional hurdle that can easily by passed Easily? What do you mean by "easily"? Trust me, I'm more of a realist than an idealist, if you think that we've been helping these countries to get through all this time then trust me this in it self if idealism. What we give with hand we take ten folds with the other and since colonialism. There is a huge difference between Africa and the countries you are thinking about in southern asia (Just a remind that not all of the countries are doing great just a couple of economical poles), the geopolitical situation since the end of WWII made it that these countries had a much better opportunity to flourish due to the massive help they've got to stop the spread of the communism doctrine , such as Japan, South Korean, Singapore, Taiwan (Macao, Hong Kong ... were literaly built by the UK). at the same time countries in Africa were still under colonism, and the ones that got their independance got it under huge political and economical benefits and had puppet leaders put in place and to make matter worse many neighboring countries were left with no borders delibiratly which to this day is the cause of wars ect ect.... and of course this doesn't mean there aren't other major problems I'm just mentioning the ones related to our countries in relation to the situation. Like I said before the solution doesn't come overnight, but if we want to solve the situation maybe we should start by taking off the reasons . |
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I'm not expecting the present situation to last long as this is raising popularity of the far right. Since elections are never far away in Italy, Renzi will have to act to keep moderate voters behind him.
Renzi, just did act "moderate". He annouced, that, if mandatory migrant quotas are not accepted by other countries, Italy will give free euro visa to everybody, who so far entered the country. Italian state will by this act alone, effectively legalize trans-med human trafficking and any sort of semblance of border control and security for its partners in Europe. No so long ago, this would be act of terrorism and reason for declaration of war. I am for cancelling of Shengen and putting troops and militias on borders. As are 85% of my compatriots right now. This isn't the only option, but with thousands arriving every month, and France blocking them at its border, Italy badly needs to do something. It just cannot afford to keep tens of thousands of migrants. There will hundred of thousands soon, something must be done. Canceling shengen would be a huge set back to the EU economy and integration and that's not a solution, you are just adding an additional hurdle that can easily by passed |
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33158464Chris Evans has been announced as the new Clarkson with as yet unnamed co-presenters. Wonder what the viewing figures will be like without the old team. I guess it's official now, but If i recall correctly, he denied in the begin that he'll host top gear and there was no discussion with the BCC. Probably the best choice at the moment, and with the production team and budgets the show will remain a standard but of course without the trio it's not the same, Now what I'm waiting for to know where they'll land, isn't iTV or Netflex |
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Another false flag. We don't know about the true identity of the attacker. And from the slogans which he shouted before the attack, I believe that he is also from an Islamic background. And from the article, it is clear that the perpetrator suffered from acute schizophrenia. So it seems that the attack resulted from mental illness, rather than Islamophobia. I'm sorry but what you are stating here is wrong, As a French and since this case was big, it was impossible to miss any information about it, it was clearly an islamophobic attack. Also According to officiel and several organisation (in France), Islamophobia cases has skyrocketed after the Terrorist attack on Charlie Hebdo I can list some if you want (there was an increase in antisemite act last year as well but that's another story). The other which I mentioned before is what you are exactly stating above ie Every attack done on a muslim is related to mental issues, but when it's a muslim doing them it's automatically terrorism which stupid. you don't believe that every cases done against any muslim is related to mental issue and excusable and statically it's impossible. I can fix this problem for you. Belief in Islam is a mental illness. (LOL...) if only the solution was as simple as that .... |
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Another false flag. We don't know about the true identity of the attacker. And from the slogans which he shouted before the attack, I believe that he is also from an Islamic background. And from the article, it is clear that the perpetrator suffered from acute schizophrenia. So it seems that the attack resulted from mental illness, rather than Islamophobia. I'm sorry but what you are stating here is wrong, As a French and since this case was big, it was impossible to miss any information about it, it was clearly an islamophobic attack. Also According to officiel and several organisation (in France), Islamophobia cases has skyrocketed after the Terrorist attack on Charlie Hebdo I can list some if you want (there was an increase in antisemite act last year as well but that's another story). The other which I mentioned before is what you are exactly stating above ie Every attack done on a muslim is related to mental issues, but when it's a muslim doing them it's automatically terrorism which stupid. you don't believe that every cases done against any muslim is related to mental issue and excusable and statically it's impossible. |
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I am sceptical. Assad isnt alone, his secular government (which actually protects women and minorities) is backed by Iran, China, Lebanon and Russia. However, ISIS is backed openly or not by Israel, Saudis and Turkey - largest allies of US in the region, who have far more resources on the ground. It's a Nusra or other minor groups that are backed by CCG I think |
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As an outisde to this probleme and I apology in advance if my reply is a little bit off topic but I still don't understand the business model of US colleges especially the 90% that are half decent and I'm relating to my self here since when I finished high school I decided to study abroad and the US was one of my consideration till I got the price quote and decided to go somewhere else.
So I'm wondering if American students that have the means can't they study outside of the US, here in Europe for example Public higher education is free or almost, or you need to do is pay for your living expenses which is much much lower than the costs of education in the US?
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Sad to see you closing doors, The first pool I tried out mining on was users a couple of years ago.
Hopefully you still have some other projects related to bitcoin in store and that you'll stay around
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Considedring that Al Nusra and ISIS are fighting each other, and considering the huge support from Iran to ASSAD it would be hard to push him out.
The other thing is that no one wants ISIS to take over Syria, which makes this situation even more complex
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Euh? So far, and as proven above if anyone is lying here that would be you, but let's keep this discussion civil shall we : So I'll answer this from two perspectives to prove you wrong :the first would be Bosnian Muslims which are serbs ethnicity exist, and please do check your facts, while yes Serbs are predominatly Christians as Bosnia Ks are predominately Muslims, doesn't mean there wasn't Bosnians serbs that were Muslims, and the whole point of them living in Srebrenica is because they are muslims. The other proof, is that even in Serbia there are Muslims https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:BoristheSavic99You can check the appendixs for examples of Muslim serbs. I know what I am talking about, and if you don't want to believe me, you can ask about the same to any Serbian or Bosnian member of this forum yourself. Bosniak Muslims are ethnic Serbs, who converted to Islam (mostly under the influence of force) when the region was under Ottoman rule. They speak the Serbian language, and other than religion, they don't have much difference from the Orthodox Serbs. Once again I've provided a contextual proof, I'm not making this stuff up, I'm sure I've been using the correct terms to define what I'm talking about |
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There are many reasons actually some were already mentioned so I will not go trough them but here are some that weren't mentioned yet :
1- would be that Shiaa were mistreating Sunnis and things became worse after Shiaa took full power of the country, hence Sunnis don't feel the need to fight against ISIS and there are even that find sympathy in these murderers since one of their doctrine is they are there to defend Sunnis.
2- Iraq army is non existent since the US destroyed the country, no moral, no one cares, the people that had the experience are dead, only inexperienced youngsteer that get recruted fights (mostly) and they are on against ISIS they don't hold a candle especially knowing that there are people from Saddam Husseins army that joined ISIS and know what they are doing.
3-Saudi/Iran influence war over the country.
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You seems to be indulging in a campaign of disinformation. The Anti-Balaka was formed in 2013, after the ex-Seleka started the killings of innocent Christians.
I'm sorry but if anyone is indulging in disinformation is you, Seleka was disbanded in 2013 Anti-Balaka was formed in the 90s and their armed activities started to scale in 2009 to reach it peak in 2013 with the new president of central africaSource : http://en.apa.az/xeber_cafrica_militia_is_an_enemy_of_peace__f_206912.htmlhttp://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-balakaHeck even the english wiki mentions the 90s origines without going to details : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-balakaOnce again, no such thing was documented, Some of the Monks gave such excuxes to rally people without a single proof, the Islamophobia runs deep in some monks, and the felling came from Sri Linka events. According to many international instances the Muslim population is Maynmar was of peacefull and never done anything to get what they are getting May be you should go through this: On the evening of 28 May, a group of Muslim men robbed, raped and murdered an ethnic Rakhine woman, Ma Thida Htwe, near her village Tha Pri Chaung on May 28 in 2012, when she was returning home from Kyauk Ni Maw Village of Rambree township. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Rakhine_State_riotsJust a reminder of what you said People got tired of the endless number of rapes and murders committed by the Rohingya. And both the sides lost people during the conflict.
So the best you could come out with is one case, which in no way is an argument against my initial replay on this precise point and again as a reminder : Myanmar : Even if we assume the excuse you are making here is true which is NOT but for sake of or argumentation let's assume so :So a Muslim commited a crime, so instead of taken him to prison, lets kill all the Muslims because that make sense right? Your logic is one again flawless.
Once again this is not the reason why the events started that was just one of many excuses that some monks advertised to get the mass to follow them and to massacre muslims. The Khmer Rouges were indeed xenophobic and killed foreigners and this is a fact, but I'm talking about the fact they killed their own Muslims just because they are muslims within their population which is definitly an Islamophobic act, One does not stop from being the other
95% of the people killed by the Khmer Rogue was Buddhist. So your argument is invalid. First of all I invite you to post a proof of this claim, and secondly I invite you to explain how my arguments is invalid, as the vast majority of people that were killed were either foreigners or Muslims, Like I said before Khmer rouges (red in french) are Xenophobe and Islamophobe bunch. If the ratio of LOCAL (population) Buddist deaths is no where 95% then I'll concede as a non argument, but if you can't provide a single proof of such a thing then I'm sorry but the argument that would be invalide is yours. Serbian Muslims? The Muslims in Bosnia are Serbs, who converted to Islam from Orthodoxy during the Ottoman rule. They are now known as Bosnian Muslims. There were no Muslims among the Bosnian Serbs. So please don't lie here.
Euh? So far, and as proven above if anyone is lying here that would be you, but let's keep this discussion civil shall we : So I'll answer this from two perspectives to prove you wrong :the first would be Bosnian Muslims which are serbs ethnicity exist, and please do check your facts, while yes Serbs are predominatly Christians as Bosnia Ks are predominately Muslims, doesn't mean there wasn't Bosnians serbs that were Muslims, and the whole point of them living in Srebrenica is because they are muslims. The other proof, is that even in Serbia there are Muslims https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:BoristheSavic99You can check the appendixs for examples of Muslim serbs. |
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The Seleka were disbanded. But the remnants formed a militia named "Ex-Seleka" and tried to exterminate the Christians (despite Muslims accounting for just 10% of the population). The Christians retaliated in kind.
So now it's not Seleka but the remaining militia, Ok except the flaw once again in your logic is that Anti-Balaka been killing Muslims for years and the killing just intensified after Seleka disbanded, and that's not even the issues, I'm not talking about Selekas vs Anti Balaka ie militia fights, I'm talking about the Anti Balaka masacring children women, and peacefull people, even the UN is warning of the massacre. People got tired of the endless number of rapes and murders committed by the Rohingya. And both the sides lost people during the conflict.
Once again, no such thing was documented, Some of the Monks gave such excuxes to rally people without a single proof, the Islamophobia runs deep in some monks, and the felling came from Sri Linka events. According to many international instances the Muslim population is Maynmar was of peacefull and never done anything to get what they are getting The Khmer Rogue regime murdered some 2 million people. Out of that, only a small fraction were the Muslims.
The Khmer Rouges were indeed xenophobic and killed foreigners and this is a fact, but I'm talking about the fact they killed their own Muslims just because they are muslims within their population which is definitly an Islamophobic act, One does not stop from being the other Ethnic cleansing was practiced by both the sides during the Bosnian conflict. Some 40,000 Serbs were massacred by the Muslims.
I think you are confusing the number around 40.000-50.000 (the highest estimates talks about 60000) were the total amount of Serbs casualties military and civilians, which mostly were Serbian Muslims, how can the whole number be at the same time the number of Serbs massacred by Muslims  For reference just the Srebrenica massacre alone account for 8000-10000 in the laps of 3 DAYS.... |
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By all means bring evidence to refute, fully or partially, the premise of the first post. However, please look at the dead and wounded count for last month alone at front page www.thereligionofpeace.com. Over 3200 dead LAST MONTH ALONE??? So if you show historical evidence of events that led to deaths of thousands of muslims, what is one to think? That Islam is outdoing such events on pretty much a weekly basis? 2015.06.07 (Quetta, Pakistan) - Five people are shot to death in Sunni raids on two tea shops belonging to the Hazara religious minority. 2015.06.07 (Maiduguri, Nigeria) - Boko Haram bombers turn an outdoor market into a mass of blood and body parts. 2015.06.06 (Balad Ruz, Iraq) - A suicide car bomber lays out fifteen patrons at a restaurant district. 2015.06.06 (Wajir, Somalia) - An Islamist opens fire on a group of people, killing three - including a woman. 2015.06.06 (Maluso, Philippines) - A man is captured and beheaded by Abu Sayyaf. 2015.06.04 (Fallujah, Iraq) - Two more gay men are thrown from a rooftop by the Islamic State. Evidence? I've just gave you events (that are factual) in which Muslims were killed out of pure Islamophobia what do you want more? So what's your point here? Muslims do kill other muslims? and I don't think I ever stated the opposite but You are claiming Homophobia has never killed anyone, and you were proven wrong, now you are derailing to something else. Of course one does not excuse the other, but stick to the whole point of your thread, there are many thread discussing these events and how some muslims groups are murderers. |
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Just to clarify some things, Netflix or ITV candidates to get the trio hosts to their for auto motive show, cannot bring Top gear as the show is a BBC property, but I'm pretty sure that where ever you put that trio and their producer Andy and give them the means they can make a fantastic show, heck each of them made shows about science or engineering and all of them are amazing.
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I don't know how any sane person could believe such a thing, but Islamophobia had killed before and it is killing right now hundreds if not thousands ( Actual genocides that just happened or are happening right now : Central Africa, Southern Asia countries such as Burma Cobodia, and even in europe Bosnia.....)
OK.. let me take it one by one. Central African Republic: First, the Muslim Séléka massacred thousands of Christians, and in retaliation, the Anti-balaka fighters drove Muslims out of CAR. Myanmar: The Muslim Rohingya raped and murdered two Buddhist women in 2012. In retaliation, there were widespread anti-Rohingya riots in the Rakhine state. Cambodia: Muslims face no issues here right now Bosnia: There was a civil war, in which the mostly Muslim Bosniaks were fighting the mostly Christian Serbs. Both sides committed massacres. I don't think that any of these incidents can be taken as examples for Islamophobia. How funny your partial take on the events : Central Africa, the Seleka group you are talking about was officially disbanded before the Anti Balaka muslim cleansing begin So no you are totally wrong, not only that but Muslims are the minority hence they are in the receiving end . Myanmar : Even if we assume the excuse you are making here is true which is NOT but for sake of or argumentation let's assume so :So a Muslim commited a crime, so instead of taken him to prison, lets kill all the Muslims because that make sense right? Your logic is one again flawless. Once again this is not the reason why the events started that was just one of many excuses that some monks advertised to get the mass to follow them and to massacre muslims. Cambodia : I clearly said "in recent right or happening right now" the 70s and 80s are not too far off. Bosnia : there were probably death on both fighting camps, and I'm not talking about, you obviously know and trying to avoid the fact that there was Ethnic cleansing by Serbs Orthodox towards muslims. Srebrenica events . When you kill thousands of people because they follow a religion when the only reason to massacre thousands of people (each of these events lead to the death of thousands of muslims ) just because they are muslim is no INCIDENT |
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8.5 Trillion? that's too weak, kindly remind me of US total debt ? :^^ Ok watch this crazy numbers http://www.usdebtclock.org/that figure which is almost reaching 62 trillion is nasty !! |
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I think this thread is way to long and a lot of trolling is happening around here, which is sad for such a serious subject, to answer the initial question : Islam doesn't hate people, people hates people Muslims or not.
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I heard the Illuminatis had a church in the darkside of the moon (which is really dark at night) can you please confirm ?
PS: not saying that crazy people can't do crazy thing following their stupid cult but I feel like there is a bit of sarcasm from OP especially in his replies.
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