Actually the reason why they turned violent in France (and Paris only and only once) it was because the demonstration was forbidden by local autorithies for no legitimate reason, and in fact, they accused the pro Palestinians of synagogue attacks which were proven wrong and were proven by video to be the cause of LDJ (league de defense juive, Jewish defense league a extremist group that is forbidden in Israel, US and many other countries) that were provoking Pro Palestinian youth, and attacked them by trowing projectiles on them but the fingers were pointed towards pro Palestinians as the CRIF (equivalent AIPAC in France) made an outcry to the government. The rest of protest in whole France never turned or were violent, and a week after the event the demonstration wasn't banned, and there were no issues what so ever. As for the people that broke the law protested despite and the ban, and went violent need to be punished accordingly As for topic, please take a minute and read what Gabor Maté a Jew, survivor of the Holocaust, point of view on this event : As a Jewish youngster growing up in Budapest, an infant survivor of the Nazi genocide, I was for years haunted by a question resounding in my brain with such force that sometimes my head would spin: “How was it possible? How could the world have let such horrors happen?”
It was a naïve question, that of a child. I know better now: such is reality. Whether in Vietnam or Rwanda or Syria, humanity stands by either complicitly or unconsciously or helplessly, as it always does. In Gaza today we find ways of justifying the bombing of hospitals, the annihilation of families at dinner, the killing of pre-adolescents playing soccer on a beach.
In Israel-Palestine the powerful party has succeeded in painting itself as the victim, while the ones being killed and maimed become the perpetrators. “They don’t care about life,” Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says, abetted by the Obamas and Harpers of this world, “we do.” Netanyahu, you who with surgical precision slaughter innocents, the young and the old, you who have cruelly blockaded Gaza for years, starving it of necessities, you who deprive Palestinians of more and more of their land, their water, their crops, their trees — you care about life?
There is no understanding Gaza out of context — Hamas rockets or unjustifiable terrorist attacks on civilians — and that context is the longest ongoing ethnic cleansing operation in the recent and present centuries, the ongoing attempt to destroy Palestinian nationhood.
The Palestinians use tunnels? So did my heroes, the poorly armed fighters of the Warsaw Ghetto. Unlike Israel, Palestinians lack Apache helicopters, guided drones, jet fighters with bombs, laser-guided artillery. Out of impotent defiance, they fire inept rockets, causing terror for innocent Israelis but rarely physical harm. With such a gross imbalance of power, there is no equivalence of culpability.
Israel wants peace? Perhaps, but as the veteran Israeli journalist Gideon Levy has pointed out, it does not want a just peace. Occupation and creeping annexation, an inhumane blockade, the destruction of olive groves, the arbitrary imprisonment of thousands, torture, daily humiliation of civilians, house demolitions: these are not policies compatible with any desire for a just peace. In Tel Aviv Gideon Levy now moves around with a bodyguard, the price of speaking the truth.
I have visited Gaza and the West Bank. I saw multi-generational Palestinian families weeping in hospitals around the bedsides of their wounded, at the graves of their dead. These are not people who do not care about life. They are like us — Canadians, Jews, like anyone: they celebrate life, family, work, education, food, peace, joy. And they are capable of hatred, they can harbour vengeance in the hearts, just like we can.
One could debate details, historical and current, back and forth. Since my days as a young Zionist and, later, as a member of Jews for a Just Peace, I have often done so. I used to believe that if people knew the facts, they would open to the truth. That, too, was naïve. This issue is far too charged with emotion. As the spiritual teacher Eckhart Tolle has pointed out, the accumulated mutual pain in the Middle East is so acute, “a significant part of the population finds itself forced to act it out in an endless cycle of perpetration and retribution.”
“People’s leaders have been misleaders, so they that are led have been confused,” in the words of the prophet Jeremiah. The voices of justice and sanity are not heeded. Netanyahu has his reasons. Harper and Obama have theirs.
And what shall we do, we ordinary people? I pray we can listen to our hearts. My heart tells me that “never again” is not a tribal slogan, that the murder of my grandparents in Auschwitz does not justify the ongoing dispossession of Palestinians, that justice, truth, peace are not tribal prerogatives. That Israel’s “right to defend itself,” unarguable in principle, does not validate mass killing.
A few days ago I met with one of my dearest friends, a comrade from Zionist days and now professor emeritus at an Israeli university. We spoke of everything but the daily savagery depicted on our TV screens. We both feared the rancour that would arise.
But, I want to say to my friend, can we not be sad together at what that beautiful old dream of Jewish redemption has come to? Can we not grieve the death of innocents? I am sad these days. Can we not at least mourn together? |
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You need to look up JIDF you'll some interesting facts, they seems to be working overtime nowadays and properly getting a nice cheque by the end of these events .
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Bloody murderers , this psychopaths need to be punished ! how can these mass murderers still running wild....I know that the Iraqi government still being getting armed and doesn't have necessary tools to fight back especially in such disputed Area (which is why ISIS are kinda of doing what they want) but things needs to be done asap or they'll just killing more people included a lot of innocent civilians
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I want to make a thread about the misconceptions of Israeli culture because I have seen, both online and offline, people who do not truly understand Israeli culture.
1.) In Israel, there are around 7.8 million people. About one hundred thousand to two hundred thousand are Arab Christians. 1.6 million are Arab Muslim. 6 million are Jewish. Out of those 6 million Jewish people, 3 million are European, 2.9 million are North African and Southwest Asia, and about one hundred thousand are Ethiopian. So about half of the Jewish people in Israel are from outside of Europe and the other half of the Jewish people in Israel are from Europe. Do not let anyone tell you that 90%+ of Israeli Jews are European. That is simply not true.
2.) Hebrew, a Semitic language similar to Arabic, is spoken in Israel. They do not speak Yiddish in Israel.
3.) Israel has Hebrew rap and Hebrew heavy metal music. Not everyone in Israel is super religious and shuns the media and pop culture. For the most part, except observing Shabbat (the Sabbath), Israel is a fairly secular country.
4.) The former President of Israel, Moshe Katzav, is of Iranian descent. The leader of the Kadima Party in Israel, Shaul Mofaz, is also of Iranian descent. There are many Jewish people of Sephardic/Mizrahi (Arab, Berber, and Iranian Jewish) descent in positions of political power in Israel.
5.) People say Israel expelled 700,000 Palestinians in 1948. Well, between 1948 and 1967, 1 million Jews from North Africa and Southwest Asia were expelled by Arab countries and fled to Israel.
6.) Not a misconception. But a fact. Miss Israel 2013 is of Ethiopian descent.
7.) Another fact. An Israeli company invented the first USB drives.
Proof of 5? Most Jews that lived in north-africa lived in Morocco and they choose to immigrate and they weren't expelled as you claim as I have friends from such families. As for 1 during the creation of Israel, 90%+ Of jews were from EU origins. as for the rest I don't know really, but it does make sense but I have a question, is it true that Jew people has more advantages and rights as non jews in Israel, are Muslim Israelies treated the same as any other white Jew Israelies ? |
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In other words, you're full of shit.
I posted, you haven't. Spin as you wish, but we saw who's who right here and now.
lol full of shit? I'm pretty sure that you yourself understand that your post is shit, do you want me to post dozens if not hundreds of proofless diplomas picture on my next reply? what that does proof? Like I said before I'm willing to disclose personal informations and providing all the necessary contacts, certifications, thesis, and published papers and what's not to prove the legitimacy of what I'm claiming to an escrow, not some random picture on the Internet, but you are the one chickening out here not me. And again full of shit.
And I'll also educate you (as evident that you're lacking it): When you claim something it is up to you to prove it, which you haven't. If I reject your claims, which I have, it's not up to me to prove my rejections.
This was lesson 1 in logic 101.
Several times I provided proof to what I said such as official statements, reported facts that were filmed, events on which soldiers were officially prosecuted how these aren't facts please enlighten me. Full of shit yet again.
All your comments on your several last replies can be resumed to this, no counter arguments, not proof, derailling discussion to something else and avoiding the disussion on point that matter when you lack arguments, which is once again proves my point And again...
thank you for proving my point once again, now how about, as I asked several times ago, why don't you answer on your point, your strategy of delluting content in this kind of rubbish post would not hide the fact that I asked clear and on point question a few replies ago and to this point you didn't provide answers. Now, can we get back to the point, would please your please answer the points that were mentioned I admitted US didn't colonize, not that Israel did or does.
No wonder you didn't post any credentials.
Are you in denial status right now? Israel does colonize Palestine UN Security Council Resolution 242 UN Security council Resolution 478 UN Security council Resolution 497 and many more International justice court orders All recognize the occupation of Palestinian land by Israel, do you want me to quote the resolutions for you ? And if you didn't know Palestine is now recognized an observe state and not an non state entity in the UN, hence it is colonization. And in reference to what was said above, here is an example of Proof I provide which you on the other hand don't and I'm sure you'll try to derail the discussion once again Yeah, safety in a zone that is now ruled by terrorists.
I'd say put your life where your words are and go there.
Yes and that's why I was against the illegitimate US attack on Iraq, but geopolitical and economical reason won the argument, and it is in the US responsibility and the allies (it wasn't US alone) to solve the issue and strengthens the government in place and institution, but that's not the point, the point is the US didn't KICK people out of their territories and occupied them which is the US doing, not to mention that Saddam wasn't an angel, and was a threat to your beloved country (one among many reason Iraq was attacked). Yeah, legal agreements that the winners imposed. Totally legit.
No it wasn't imposed, and if you have a proof of such a thing you can provide them, but obviously there was favoritism and lobbying as the "liberator" Glad you agree that what happened there is much worse.
Where do you see me agreeing to such a thing, but from another perspective what the Palestinian are suffering is much more than any other population suffered in modern times, yes they are not getting mass murdered in the hundred of thousands, but they are suffering for a century long of harassment, fear of death with thousands of deaths every now and then, and prosecution without warrants of thousands and torture every now and then, with areas like Gaza in total siege and blockade without even the minimum necessities for human beings. Completely irrelevant that they had a standing army, because that army wasn't comparable to the American one in any way, shape or form.
Totally relevant, because Iraq was a sovereign state with a strong army, that inflict thousands of death in US force and hundred of thousand of injured according to some sources (over 32K officially recognized) not a single room of comparison here with Palestin. Yes, they do want it to stay as it is, because hamas, which represent the palestinians in the gaza strip has in its front banner the destruction of Israel, so there's actually no1 on the other side to talk to. More so, in the past Israel was willing to go almost back to 67' borders (beyond me why) and the palestinians rejected it, which is what they claim to have wanted all this time. http://heb.inss.org.il/index.aspx?id=4611I'm sure you can google the full detailed offer, and I'm also sure that you can google what Abbas said in response (hint: no). So putting the blame on Israel for any failure with the peace process is outrageous to say the least. So because Hamas has in it banner the destruction of Israel, it makes legitimate to kill thousands of civilians and oppress hundred of thousands on a daily basis? so tomorrow if I take a banner written on it Death to Israel or any other state tomorrow(which is extrem and hatefull) on the street I deserve to be killed, my familly to be killed, my friends, neighbours, and city to be destroyed, what a broken logic is this. not to mention Hamas came to existance and fueled by hatred thanks to the oppression and the death that Palestinians suffered not the other way around (if you didn't know Hamas was created in 1987) so it's mainly Israel faults as they are in position of power, when Israel follows international laws and UN resolution and give Palestinians their rights, and if any groups being it Hamas or whatever attacks Israel or Israel civilians, I'll support Israel being it moraly, politically and even financially in it right to defend it self, but till then Israel is the bully and in the wrong. As for the peace negotiation you are the one clueless here, and presenting partial facts, maybe you've forgot the Operation Cast Lead that was orchestrated to stop such peace negotiation as the current offensive is to destroy the new unity government. As for the 1967 borders is beyond you maybe you need to check the UN resolutions on the matter as a reference, now lets check Mr Nattanyaho peace agreement which want full control on west bank and the territories that are not under control will be consider buffer zones or defense zones by Israel (IDF can do what ever they want there) Yup sounds fair. Meant hundredS, but that just prove you aren't actually knowledgeable about the subject if that's your strongest card. Up until 1982 there have been at least 200 resolutions, hundreds more since, so yes, mostly follow, does in fact, applies.
Hundreds? UN Security council resolutions are 226 in total about this issue, with over half of them condemning attacks on Palestinians in several occasions, so again one more of your lies proven to light. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genocides_by_death_tollHave you actually read the list you're linking? Not only are the palestinians not listed there, but there are much more "recent" genocides, which implies the list is up to date. Israeli government hasn't initiated anything to eliminate the Palestinians, that's just how you see things, which doesn't make it more real. So no, I am not wrong. Unlike you I do read what I'm linking, No the Palestinians death are not listed there as it is not yet officially recognized, and what you are basically saying here, is that Jew Holocaust during WW2 wasn't recognized -During- especially by Germans so it was fine, no it doesn't work that way! While this wasn't the point of my comment as it seems you like,as usual, to derail and not answer on point, I clearly said, that in that list there are event that similar to what happening in Gaza right now and are genocides and there is no reason for this to not be one. Not to mention that most if not all Genocides are officially recognized after events are over. As for the Israeli Goverment not initiated anything? are joking ? this point was proven before, but lets discuss once and for all. -First excuse : Hamas Killed 3 Israelis teen, Hamas denied such a thing, there is no proof of Hamas doing such a thing, heck even Israeli media and intelligence reporting that Hamas has nothing to do with it and I linked and can link elements of this but I'm pretty sure you know about this. (this without mentioning the 2 teens that were killed by IDF and were filmed doing so by surveillance cameras a couple of weeks before but this event was barelly mentioned anywhere as apparently Palestinians lives are not equal) -Second excuse : Hamas fired thousands of rockets against Israel and Israel population hence Israel response and didn't initiate anything, well this is yet another total lie, IDF, penetrated Palestinian terretories and took hundred of Hamas members that it released in a peace deal among other Civilians, breaking peace deal) and killed 6 Hamas members around 10 civilians, raided thousands of houses, and stole over 3 millions $ among other valuables, not to mention the Palestinian that was filmed (factual proof) being abducted by Israeli extremist and was burned alive and inside out and started air strikes, and all this is between the 12 and the 19 of June right after Reuven Rivlin was elected as president of Israel ( another peace lover of yours that does want a two stats solutions /s), Heck there are even reports that Israel knew that the 3 teen were killed and hours after their abduction on the 12 of June and engaged in cover up operation and banning press for reporting the news. So please stop with the lies and propagandas. Thank you for proving my point. IDF, similar to how Toyota doesn't engineer cars to kill people, doesn't shot with intent to kill civilians, which means they do not perform any genocide.
No they don't attend to kill Palestinians, they just point deadly weapons on them and shoot them, sounds logical, do you even read what you say? No Nazi German soldiers doesn't didn't built the chambers they used to Gaz Jews in for the purpose of killing Jews, they just killed Jews in there after receiving orders to do so makes 100% legit, no seriously stop with this it's makes want to puke especially after seeing all the images and reading many books and documents of jew people suffering and which is the same things for Palestinians right now and I invent you to just look at the picture of civilians in Gaza and their suffering and I'm sure if you have remotely a human heart your want such atrocities and this genocide to stop. Sure, let's: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_exportsRemove the US, as they don't export crude oil. top 10 has US, NL and CA. I'll let you guess who the 7 others are. At least 18 (AFAIK) arab countries export oil, so while their population is poor, their leadership isn't. So yes, arab countries are filthy rich and use, not only their money, but more so, their oil, to buy influence, which is actually stronger incentive than money. So yeah, sphere it out. Once again you are totally wrong/lies, and Once again I'll prove you wrong with facts as it seems this is something you keep arguing I don't do enough : Most Arab countries are POOR not the population but the country in it self, being GDP wise or the money they have available to them but I'll come back to this point a little later. So lets first of all check your list, where you are talking about top 10 : there are 3 Arab countries in that top list namely Saudi Arabia, Iraq (broken country with Zero influence), and United Arab Emirates, and all tree of them are close US Allies and follow US directives and hate Hamas as they has ties with Iran. So you are WRONG! You claim 18 arab countries export Oils, yet you fail to gasp that over half of those aren't even self sufficient, and have less than a decade of proven reserves like Yemen, Mauritania, Tunisia, Egypt, and co they are poor countries, the only rich Arab countries are Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar and maybe Kuwait, the rest are all third world countries in development with Zero influence or broken like Iraq or Libya, and the 4 countries I mentioned, are all US close allies. The GDPs of most Arab countries are in the 200Billions $ Or less and do not have money to bride anyone, and if you want to see the sphere of influence of the US for example you can check the current US-Africa summet, and who's spending billions to increase it influence in poor countries. So yeah sphere it out yourself, and get your facts straigthts, and if you want we can go on the case of country by country to prove the point I mentioned before. From the UN? Not really. Condemnations? a few. Sanctions? 0. Whatever sanctions on Syria came outside the UN. http://www.sanctionswiki.org/Syria#UNThe Israeli equivalent would be the ongoing arab sanctions that has been lasting for a few decades now. Actually, it wouldn't be the equivalent, since Syria isn't under sanctions from a few countries for decades, only a few years. Are you serious? Several UN condemnations and sanctions were vetoed but were upheld by other instances such EU and US and many other organization in several key domains as you've mentioned and comparing these to some Arab countries boycott of Israeli products from occupied lands is a joke, and once again proves your biased way on this matter, if Israel was sanctioned like Syria is being right now, the Israeli economy would have crumbled by now or have been forced to sign the peace treaty, but again Israels allies are the one in control of UN and other relevant institutions hence no sanctions and any sanctions related discussions gets shut down either by veto or lobbying. (and this on it self is a prove that it's not the Arab countries that has influence in the UN as you are claiming but the other way around) Because Israel breaks some of the resolution it means the UN is biased towards it? lol, please, what a faulty way to think.
What you should ask yourself is how come Israel has had more resolution than all the other countries in the world combined when it hasn't done atrocities such as the Chinese or Russians done.
Or how come Syria didn't get as many resolutions despite the fact the regime there killed over 200k people there thus far, while Israel has killed many, many less.
But, I know you wouldn't ask yourself those questions, because they don't fit your propaganda.
Breaks UN resolutions and doesn't get punished for it! Syria is getting punished pretty hard as you linked your self not to mention that most of the world condemns Syria actions me included and there is no debates in this, So no, the whole problem here is that there are people like you who claims that Israel does no evil which is totally false. Another pseudo claim without any basis, simply because if Palestinians has their right uphold with their country and the right to exist as a People there ..ect they would not attack their neighbour and hence there would not be any response. it's a causality relation, the groups are fighting in Palestine because their country is colonized and not the other way around!
How about explaining to me and other people reading how is this is relevant to the point? and your AIPAC presentation is totally on point and made the most neutral organization of course ! now again answer me on point, what proof do you have, that the Palestinians will attack the Israelis once they get their rights and land according to UN resolutions, And I remind that in 1948 Israel was created unilaterly on the whole Not only is it your job to back up your claims, but I also went the extra mile and back up my rejection of your claim.
You haven't, again.
So the one that is dodging here, constantly, since the very beginning (still not posted your credential, but hey, can't blame a child for hiding behind a silly "bet"), is actually you.
See ? not only that I've answered and provided facts as proven above each time, you are right now not answer the point and claiming with an excuses that I need to back my claim yet you cannot answer the point, and you've been avoiding doing so for the 4 or 5 times in a row, which is a prove of someone out of argument. The best is not childish it's a warranty that I will not compromise my identity and personal informations to an escrow without a collateral, as for posting Diplomas images it's not a proof in it self especially when they aren't verifiable as with yours, so stop pretending you don't what I'm talking about here (and this not the point of discussion here, so please stop making excuses and back to the point, you had an argument to answer here I proved you wrong with real facts and you keep refering to the education point as it is your only excuse so far) Back peddling? no it is not, it would have back peddling if I wrote all those AFTER your point, which is not the case, from the first I replied to to the last one my position on the matter was clear! my OP post is under the supposition if it was real, and I brought facts why it is most likely to be real than it isn't such as previous verified post by IDF soldiers on social media and the fact that IDF soldiers killed palestinian in several occasions and targeting them directly, and I mentioned several times factual examples of this that you've been dodging all along
Yes, that actually does constitute as back peddling. You added a very one sided comment in your OP and than tuned it down, after stating your obvious opinion. That's called back peddling.
You're welcome.
No it is not. I stated my opinion on OP under the assumption if it was real, and I explained clearly in my next reply my take on matter, and this is not again back peddling, you back peddling when you are forced to, and you obviously didn't force me to make those replies in that thread is they were stated way before you even try to make this an argument of yours. Funny, considering you have been saying over and over again the same rhetoric "dodge this, dodging that" and not answering a thing.
Irony at its best.
Are you muslim?
Now it's clear what's your strategy is, after failing to answer on point and pushing toward this kind discussion you'll claim that I'm doing repeating the same rhetoric, but yet again you are the one that's not answering on point in the first place and derailing the discussion as you are out of proofs and argument, but I'll remind you of the point you are avoiding right now, you claimed that the Twitter account of that soldiers is the proof that Israeli soldier has a good behaviors on social media and thus he cannot have posted such a thing on Instagram, yet you failed and been avoiding to explain why his same twitter account has almost zero posts before the incident sounds logical huh. As for me being Muslim or not how is this relevant to discussion? I don't mind answering this even if it is a personal question but can you please enlighten me and the people reading how is this relevant to the conversation ? think carefully, because unlike you I might not be involved or a side in this conflict, hence my judgment is less to be subject to be biased unlike yours, as you are most likely an Israeli according to the certification you've posted above and if it is real that is. I said none? Said IDF doesn't ever do wrong? Quote me.
I said IDF doesn't shot to kill civilians. Doesn't train to kill innocent.
Ok let's check what said You can, but it's irrelevant because I know from personal experience how IDF are trained - they are trained to value life, not death.
They don't train to kill civilians, kids, women or men.
And if they happen to kill a civilian, it was not intentional.
I know for a fact that no commander there, in the field or otherwise, would even command his troops to shot civilians or even to shot unarmed hamas member that is a known terrorist.
So yes, for me IDF is as moral of an army as you can get.
But unlike you, I know, you just think you know.
Except that many times it was proven that IDF soldiers targeted and killed civilians lets alone Hamas members and this is not the point, from this quote you are sayng that IDF is as moral of an army as you can get and that they do not kill civilians intentionally and there is no commander that would order attacks on civilians (it's just it happens that almost 2K Palestinians mostly civilians died so far with UN refuges and hospitals being targeted which is in it self a crime war, so which is it? IDF does or doesn't do crimes. And yes they do target civilians, and this proven several times, I don't understand why you keep insisting on this and if you think this is truly how can you justify the shelling of kids that were playing on the beach or the children in the UN hospital garden, or UN Refugees (7 of them) and I can mention thousands of examples like this now please. Yes, it is a number, so?
Have you been there? Do you know the circumstances? Have you actually been in a war? (don't answer, I know you haven't).
I'm pretty sure if that number was of Israelis and that if it was your city been blown to pieces you won't have the same opinion, we are talking about human lifes here not just some random number and claiming otherwise proves how terrible of a human being you are, when you don't care about death people as long as it the others and not one of yours and your close people. Was I there ? No, does the fact that I'm not In Gaza right now doesn't give the right now doesn't give the right to speak about it, No I have every right to speak about it, Are you in Gaza yourself right now? are you whiting the Palestinians population in Gaza so you can denie and approve the facts coming in videos and photos from there? if you aren't then you have no more right to comments on this on me. Source? Proof? Anything solid to back up the claim that they got orders to kill civilians?
Got a feeling you're just gonna type something silly or snarly instead of providing a proof for that.
So who gives the orders to attack Gaza, and blow up whole residential neighborhoods and kill nearly two thousands of Palestinians in the last couple of weeks? is it the IDF Solders doing it on their own? or they are getting orders to do so ? which is it? If Israel is the winner, why is hamas doing what it does? (hint: they don't actually care about the palestinians).
More so, if you had an AMAZING jock strap, reducing pain by 90%, can I still kick you in the balls without you retaliating?
So they being useless or not is irrelevant, they shouldn't provoke to begin with and seek peaceful routes.
Not to mention that you make it sound like they are small kids cursing. They shot fucking rockets, home made or not, those are meant to kill.
Your logic again never cease to amaze me, ever hear of resistance? and saying just plainly don't care about Palestinians is plainly stupid, as they don't have families or they aren't part of that population, and so far the ones who don't care about the Palestinians, are the one killing them and blocking them and blocking even the minimum necessities that a human being needs to live in such an area and not the other way around, you are making the Victim because the Culprit and the Culprit becomes the Victime, funny. Did, earlier.
earlier? you mean in the same comment? in all previous posts you did not which another proof of what I ve been saying so far And you still didn't provide anything to back up your claims... Again...
Is there anything to back this here? please show me the previous posts to this event on his Twitter account, the so called moderated posted he had go ahead, His twitter is there and there is no such a thing, so Yes the post are inexistent or deleted, and Invited and I re-invite you to prove me wrong on this if I didn't search properly which seems that you aren't able to do so. Again the same twitter comment is a Proof in it self of what I said. So you do admit he did it for sure...
I see.
That was amusing, despite the fact that I know you meant to write "didn't do".
Maybe I'll just be like you and take things exactly as they are, outside of the general context.
If you know what I meant to say then why don't you answer me on context, and no apart from the part where you meant hundred s above something that wasn't clear, because 67 out of hundred or hundreds the sentence still make sense especially considering that there are around 200 UN SC resplutions Quote? It's in almost all your posts.
You say Israel and IDF, knowing that it represent the Israel population (what else could it), both of them (almost all Israelis been to IDF).
Yeah, you wrote extremists a few times, good for you.
Here goes the excuses again when you can't even quote me once saying what are claiming I said , yet I've proven you wrong by showing where I clearly made the distinction between the population, extremists IDF and people in control. Documented facts such video proofs image proofs that were not denied, documented facts are those of soldiers being judged for crimes by the Israel which is of course totally biased towards them yet they was no room to make any excuses, documented facts such UN Resolutions against Israel, Documented facts are Supreme court orders against Israel. but no all these are lies according. As for you being there, that much I could figure out my self and in the way you are defending the crimes that are made in Gaza.
Which brings us back to how biased the UN is.
When you'll actually be there and see how it is, than you can actually talk about what you know vs what you think you know.
I know I know, you think you know. (this is where I repeat).
Oh so UN is biased towards Israel yet the countries in control of the UN are Israel allies?what about the international court or many other OGNs condemning Israel and it's acts, where the international trade commission EU or US sanctions towards Israel as the other countries that had similar resolutions in UN faced. of course. |
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Terrorism related to Arabs is just something recent, the media coverage on anything negative about the Arabs is way overly inflated maybe it is due 9/11 effect? ....
Started with the 1984 Olympics, and the aircraft hijackings started about the same time. What did start on 1984? Terrorism? The media takes on the matter? .... The modern wave of Muslim / Islamic terrorism. No not really, terrorism/resistance (depending on context and perspective but some deeds are quite evil) existed in Arab world for a while, like in any other region for that matter,and despite the events in 1984 the media coverage wasn't anything like what it is right, the media description of things was quite different, and the most obvious example, would be Taliban as in the 80s and 90s they were described by American medias, as Heroes fighting for the liberation of their country against evil USRR and as resistants, but after 9/11 they've become the most evil terrorist group in the world and the propaganda was a way to justify Afghanistan war and shut down the anti-war people and sadly despite that war neither Taliban nor Alquaeda were shut down and they are still brainwashing more people to join them using the hatred that was born from the destruction and the loss of close people to them, those psychopaths |
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i'd also like to note that the more info that comes out about zionist shills, the more people will suspect those who are pro-israel as those shills, which might lead to more fingerpointing.
yes of course it does, and it's makes any pro-Israel a suspect, but I personally prefer to reply to and argue against their ideas with facts, rather than just pointing fingers because it's not constructive and I do believe in the fact that everyone is innocent until proven guilty |
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I don't think PR moves are first and foremost in their minds to be honest - they, and many others, have on several occasions justified their continued aggression on account of the blockade Israel is imposing on them, which has left them on the verge of an humanitarian crisis (and as we know from leaked documents, purposefully so). Another issue is the occupation of the West Bank, the continual grab for land and resources there, and the treatment of the native population.
Now, I also agree that Israel shouldn't retaliate this way, but instead look to other ways to solve the conflict; but you can't ignore these other issues - they also need to be addressed, if any lasting peace is to be found.
Do you know why there's a blockade to begin with? Israeli official motives for the most recent blockade (there were others, in other forms) are security related - it helps limit attacks by Palestinian forces, and prevents them from acquiring weapons; so far so good. But how does this then turn into a "let's leave the Palestinian population there in a state close to a humanitarian crisis" due to the actual conditions imposed? Isn't this just a way to ensure the further radicalization of the population, instead of helping to solve the conflict? I don't buy the fact that the blockade would prevent Hamas from acquiring weapons, let's assume there was no blockade, Gaza is in the middle of nowhere surrounded from everywhere by land controlled by Israel, and the only why I could see them getting weapons would be by air but that again is very doubtful. Also with the blockade, it was proven that Hamas can built tunnel to by pass it, So at the end it's pretty much the civilians population that is suffering the most and they are not in the verge of an humanitarian crisis, they are in a crisis, when you don't have access to electricity, water and even swage sevices when morgues are full and hospital are fulls and when you have hundred of thousands of refugees .........it's hard not to qualify this as a humanitarian crisis... |
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Hamas breached the ceasefire by kidnapping a IDF soldier and killing 2 soldiers shortly after.
Hamas are the problem. Once they are outed, full peace will commence in Israel and Gaza.
Most Palestinians in Gaza know that, but when they try to speak up they get killed by Hamas.
Are there any proof of Hamas behind the kidnapping? isn't this a déjà vu? (the 3 Israeli teens that were murdered, but Israel claimed it was Hamas behind it), Also I saw in different media outlet that Hamas denies any involvement with this events and usually when they kidnap a soldiers they are the first to claim such a thing and even inflate the circumstances, unless maybe you saw something different and there are some kind of proof you can present on this matter. As for Hamas being the problem for peace, I disagree, they might be part of the problem, but you have to remember that the current situation is favorable to Israel, as they can keep the situation as it is colonizing palestinians terretories and will not be pushed to the negotiation table as they aren't on the receiving end and it is the Palestinians. |
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Terrorism related to Arabs is just something recent, the media coverage on anything negative about the Arabs is way overly inflated maybe it is due 9/11 effect? ....
Started with the 1984 Olympics, and the aircraft hijackings started about the same time. What did start on 1984? Terrorism? The media takes on the matter? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TerrorismWhile I don't think that wikipedia is a reliable source and should be used as a reference, it resumes a lot of facts on the matter and for further reading you can uses the sources and the appendix |
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What is shilling is passing off a website that is 80% propaganda against Israel and the "Jewish banker" conspiracy that is as old as time itself as a "veterans site." did you miss the other websites or the official Israeli foreign minister stance? |
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The BG Group drilled two wells in 2000: Gaza Marine-1 and Gaza Marine-2. Reserves are estimated by British Gas to be of the order of 1.4 trillion cubic feet, valued at approximately 4 billion dollars. These are the figures made public by British Gas. The size of Palestine’s gas reserves could be much larger.  In 2006, British Gas “was close to signing a deal to pump the gas to Egypt.” (Times, May, 23, 2007). According to reports, British Prime Minister Tony Blair intervened on behalf of Israel with a view to shunting the agreement with Egypt. http://www.globalresearch.ca/war-and-natural-gas-the-israeli-invasion-and-gaza-s-offshore-gas-fields/11680 The kicker is Tony Blair our very unbiased champion of the Iraq war who insisted there were WOMD, is now The UN Middle East peace envoy. What a joke Wow that's news to me I didn't know, that Blair was the UK peace envoy in the region .... doesn't sound good.. |
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Terrorism related to Arabs is just something recent, the media coverage on anything negative about the Arabs is way overly inflated and it is due 9/11 effect among other reasons of course and to prove this point we can take an example of recent events in the US, when a Terrorist attempt is made by an Arab or Muslim in the US, it is in the headline of all medias on the other hand a non arab/muslim terrorist from another religion (but that's not the point) was caught just before he blown his truck in a major mosque in the US during the friday prayer went silence.
I'm not saying here that everything in the Arab world is fine and there aren't Arab terrorist, that would be even stupid to claim, and those psychopaths needs to be jailed, I'm just putting things into perspective and it depends on which sides are you, you are either a terrorist denouced to the world, while on the other hand others that are doing the same thing, they are either not announced or not even considered a terrorist. And if by terrorist we mean someone that targets indiscriminately civilians and create terror withing a civilization, isn't this the same of what happening right now in Gaza ? Heck it's even worse because we are talking about stat terrorism.
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Ebola isn't an army killing civilians. by your same broken logic, Jew Holocaust is not a genocide because Plague or Cholera killed more than what Hitler did.
And i'm saying even 1,400 people doesn't constitute the definition of genocide. At least 120k have been killed in Syria in this current civil war. 415 people were murdered in Chicago last year. How is 1,400 out of a population of millions considered genocide? The Palestinian population has a whole has been RISING the last few decades, how is that genocide? http://israelipalestinian.procon.org/files/1-israeli-palestinian-images/west-bank-and-gaza-strip-arab-population-1948-to-2005.gif It's these silly use of buzz words that complicate the debate. This is, once again, a false argument, Recognized genocides by the UN doesn't apply to such rule you are mentioning, the rise of population has nothing to do with the consideration of a genocide, and recent recognized genocides by the UN are exactly similar in terms of numbers and events chronology to what's happening right now in Gaza. Systematically killing and targeting civilians is what's makes this genocide. |
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Oh, I am not willing to send 10 BTC to anyone, escrow or otherwise, I will however, post my credentials right here  My other educational credentials are at my hometown I'm afraid, a tad far away. You can go a head and post yours here too. As I thought, you would back out because you are not that confident, and your picture doesn't a prove a thing and is not verifiable, hence the escrow, to which I can provide all the necessary documents and contacts to verify them, Papers that were published, Diplomas, Certifications Thesis...ect ect Funny you say that considering you haven't got any factual knowledge, because the vast majority of your "facts" are coming from the media or worse.
Once again you are dodging the point, and since you claim anything I said is not factual then how about proving me wrong while you are at it? Kind of a pathetic way of not answering the question, didn't expect much though.
Pathetic? you don't even answer on point, one again, and claim it is pathetic? an argument/tool you used yourself on your previous comment, yet you fail to acknowledge such a thing, it's obvious which attitude is more pathetic here. Thank you for confirming your stupidity.
This is what it come to, when you can't argue you call people stupid or pathetic, these attribute you are mentioning reflect exactly the personality of the person trowing them around at other when they can't even answer, so can we get to the point and back to threads instead of giving these kind of replies that do you no favor ? They didn't colonize, they just occupied vast territories for many years.
So you admit that the US didn't Colonize Iraq and co like Israel is doing with Palestine Tell that to the millions who fled.
Again fleeing the fights and seeking safety they come back once it was over, they had the right to stay, and they come back once it was all safe again, which is not as being kicked out of your land with no right to return, so again it's totally different. Tell that to the oil companies.
Yes and not only the Oil companies but every single sector, BUT the big difference here is everything is under legal agreements with contracts and co, (it's still not totally fair and it's still not the rule of free market) the Iraqis are still getting proper return from the resources and it's totally different from the Palestinians are getting which ZERO and in fact it's the opposite it's a very negative return as they are getting their land and resources exploited and drained. As proven once again it is a totally different Right, they just killed hundred of thousands of people in the duration of a few years.
Yes they did, and I'm glad that you agree that it's totally different than what's happening in Palestine You seriously compare the Iraqi army to the US one? Like they had a fighting chance.
Comparing? Again did Iraq had a regular army or not ? for reference if you didn't know, just the ground army of Iraq consisted of 375,000 troops, organized into five corps. In all, there were 11 infantry divisions, 3 mechanized divisions, and 3 armored divisions and another 80000 of the Republican Guard consisted troops. so once again you are total wrong and what Israel is doing is totally uncomparable to the US intervention More reasons for them not to provoke Israel and seek to get their objectives in a peaceful manner, unless they know they will have casualties, and a lot and it could somehow serve them.
Except that the current leading regime in Israel want the situation to remain as it is they don't want peace, as peace would push them to the negotiation table, they want to continue to exploit the land and resources of Palestinians and anything is an excuse to keep the situation as it is, (I'm not saying that Hamas and co are clean, but there is a difference between the one that hold the power and in the strength position and the other that is being oppressed) So so far point by point you've tried to argue and I'm not going to go trought the ones you avoided to mention and dodging, the Palestinian is not similar and that by any aspect to the Iraqi invasion. Irrelevant? they mostly do follow yet just the line after you say they broke (officially that is) 65 out of 100 resolution? do you even read what you write you are auto-contradicting your self, and also UN resolutions are quite relevant and a proof that Israel is breaking international law and getting away with it which the whole point our conversation I actually am no repeating myself, this was the first time I wrote such a thing here or in any other thread. You however, like to listen to your own voice. But lets get things into perspective, shall we? There were about 18,000 palestinians dead since 48 (including Israels Independence war, without it, it's down to 10,000~) No only that 18,000 people out of million+ does not qualify for a genocide or anything near, since that would be insulting to nations who actually been through a genocide, like the Armenians, but if you'd compare it to palestinians dead due to car accidents, you'd find that there are more palestinians dying every year from car accidents than from Israeli actions. 18,000 (palestinians casualties since 48) divided by 66 (that's how old Israel is) and you'll get 272.72 - that means that, on average, 272 palestinians die every year from from Israeli actions, or 0.74 per day. In car accidents however, 18~ palestinians die every day (in 2013), was 17~ in 2012. http://www.el-balad.com/1004440So I guess we should all blame Toyota for genocide. The 18,000, btw, include terrorists, armed civilians that acted as soliders (during the 48 war) and civilians, so if one would actually deduct the number of hired soliders/terrorist from those numbers you'd have a small death per day. Genocide... I feel so sorry for nations who really went through it, such an insult that "pro-palestinians" use that word so lightly. Yes you are repeating the same argument from another thread and I can quote if you want. So yes let's bring things into perspective, a Genocide is not about killing millions here you go Here is the list of officially recognized genocides by death toll http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genocides_by_death_toll and you can clearly see at the bottom of the list genocides that corresponds exactly to what's happening right now in Palestine which is a fact , and in 3 weeks over 1500 Palestinian died so far and more to come and this is also a fact so no you are totally wrong! As for your Toyota example, Toyota engineers and works didn't run civilians with those cars in the goal of killing them, and if we apply this same broken logic of yours, the Plague or Cholera killed way more people than Hitler killed Jew, so the Holocaust is not a genocide and it's perfectly fine. such thinking just makes want to puke. I see you're one of those people that need to be spoon fed.
Arab countries got oil and got money, and with that money and oil they easily buy the votes of other countries, namely poor ones.
While Argentina and Brazil, for example, aren't arab or communist countries, they are allied with that block and votes with them, and thus, you got a block that is been led by arab countries and communists ones.
So correct, the majority isn't arab countries, but they are being led by them, and that's the point I tried to convey, I guess I need to keep it in really simple terms next time.
It's an obvious and a known political situation. You have got to be really, really thick to not see it.
Once you are proven wrong with facts, you are dodging again, but let's follow up with your broken argument once again, the Arab countries are not rich in fact the VAST majority is poor except tree or foor at most. The Arabs has almost zero influence on other countries in comparison to Israel main allies such as the US, the UK or France. want to me to list the sphere of influence of these countries in comparison to Arabs richest countries? That's the security council, and for what it's worth, China and Russia veto out their allies too, so I fail to see your point.
lol? because the security council isn't part of the UN? if you didn't know, the security council is institution of the UN that enforces sanctions among many other functions and Yes China and Russia vetoed and tried to veto some resolution, BUT a lot of sanctions passed and applied Syria, what about Israel that's been breaking UN resolutions half a century officially that is? once again it's a proof that the UN it's biased towards Israel not against! since the majority of countries that hold executive and real power in the UN are Israeli allies and not the other way around like the one I mentioned above No, what I'm saying is that any other country out there would have already wiped the palestinians off the face of the earth, thus committing this genocide you keep speaking of.
Israel hasn't and doesn't do that.
Another pseudo claim without any basis, simply because if Palestinians has their right uphold with their country and the right to exist as a People there ..ect they would not attack their neighbour and hence there would not be any response. it's a causality relation, the groups are fighting in Palestine because their country is colonized and not the other way around! 3rd time I'll post it, you're really, really thick, makes me curious as to what you educational credentials are. Probably philosophy. "Not only is his twitter account is full of moderated posts (contrary to the fake post in the OP), but both instagram accounts that were used are private, how convenient. https://twitter.com/daviddovadia" Those two alone (private accounts and twitter account with moderated posts) is more than enough for me to assume it's fake. But you, just seeing some image that someone random posted somewhere, is more than enough to convince you with its authenticity considering what I presented. That says a lot about you. For the 4th time again, why are you avoiding and dodging the point I mentioned about this, whevere you are out of arguments you dodge and avoid to answer, how about answering my argument instead of pretending you didn't read it or blindless. Back peddling after the OP where you wrote:
Back peddling? no it is not, it would have back peddling if I wrote all those AFTER your point, which is not the case, from the first I replied to to the last one my position on the matter was clear! my OP post is under the supposition if it was real, and I brought facts why it is most likely to be real than it isn't such as previous verified post by IDF soldiers on social media and the fact that IDF soldiers killed palestinian in several occasions and targeting them directly, and I mentioned several times factual examples of this that you've been dodging all along When you can't think, mimic.
So far, it's been a trait of yours, and whenever you don't have argument you just dodge, how about answering on point instead. There aren't tons of, there are some, most of them are faked, not that it's relevant, because you got extremists everywhere, including in IDF.
The point was that IDF doesn't train soldiers to murder civilians, hamas on the other hand, does.
Ah so now you've moved from there are none, to there are some of them, weren't the one saying that you IDF Training and they never do wrong? So far and in the last 3 weeks 1500-1600 Palestinians died mostly civilians, that's a huge number for a supposed army that didn't trained to murder civilians. (while yes I can agree that soldiers are not trained to kill civilians but trained to kill full stop and to follow orders, the orders can be to kill civilians which is the case here.) While this is true, it's also irrelevant.
As I have already said, if IDF could of avoided those casualties, it would have. If paletinians could kill Israelis, they would of.
If they could they would? well lets say that they can Hamas attacked are proven to be useless, and the accuracy claims of the attacks has proven wrong. It is Israel the winner of such attack they can keep the situation as it is with no peace perspective as Israel is not in the receiving end, who cares about Palestinians deaths. As I said, there are extremists everywhere, but IDF as a whole, isn't like that.
You never said this in any of your replies to me, and this is the first post when you say such a thing! Proof that they existed and were deleted?
Hence I said they were either Deleted or Inexistent so How come you the tweeter account that you claim it's a proof and represent the personality of this guy, has no previous posts previous to the event, See how your argument doesn't even stand. No it's does not cut, and that why I did say he did it for sure! but from previous happenings and crimes there are legitimate reason to think it might be true more than being it fake, but yes and I said on the thread on that matter it's doesn't rule a position for 100% Of course you generalize, all your posts are filled with 1 sided attacks where you base your attacks on the actions of few.
Got any quote of such a thing? I can quote my self dozen of times where I specify, heck, you claimed I generalize to the whole Israeli population on that same post, yet I specified clearly (the post you are dodging in this same point you quoted partially here) Israeli EXTREMISTs. So no it's a clear proof of you lying once again Yeah, those are definitely "facts".
I've been there, I've seen it with my own eyes, felt it with my own body.
That's more than you could ever say, because nothing is easier than hiding behind a computer monitor.
Documented facts such video proofs image proofs that were not denied, documented facts are those of soldiers being judged for crimes by the Israel which is of course totally biased towards them yet they was no room to make any excuses, documented facts such UN Resolutions against Israel, Documented facts are Supreme court orders against Israel. but no all these are lies according. As for you being there, that much I could figure out my self and in the way you are defending the crimes that are made in Gaza. |
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1364 declared deaths as we speak; dozens of thousands of wounded, probably will pass the 1400 mark before the end of the day, but again there people that will still defend this genocide.
800 people have died from the Ebola outbreak. Is that a genocide? Ebola isn't an army killing civilians. by your same broken logic, Jew Holocaust is not a genocide because Plague or Cholera killed more than what Hitler did. |
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Doubtful you got an education, as you don't even know what fascism is.
So far not only you didn't prove this point, but you are clearly avoiding the discussion about that the current ruling regime in Israel and it being a fascist regime or not, but to prove how wrong once and for all you are about this (even if I find this childish) I dare you to bet 10BTCs on my education level, we can use an escrow and I'm willing to provided all the necessary proofs about such a thing, let's if you the balls to do so. By saying that war crimes were committed by individuals you disassociated the US from it, as to say they aren't responsible. Bullshit.
Again I didn't say they are not responsible that's your own assumption, the only thing is I didn't advance anything as I don't have the knowledge to claim if it was or it wasn't the case for sure. See the big difference between you and me in our thought process, you claim things that didn't happens and make broken argumentation, I argue about something when I have enough knowledge to do so. Did I? What exactly?
Didn't you just say that I ruled out the impossibility of the US committing war crimes in Iraq ? do I need to quote you again ? do you Alzheimer or something similar? Didn't know that quoting ones self is acceptable proof. Now I know why you think you're always right when you aren't. Seems legit.
It's more than enough proof when someone like you claim that I said or didn't say something, or your logic processor overheated or something, please enlighten me how this is wrong No the situation is not comparable and this is just intellectually malsaint, I don't recall the US colonizing Iraq for half a century (officially that is according to UN) , I don't recall the US kicking local populations and stealing their land and resources for half a decade, I don't recall the US killing thousands of civilians every couple of months or so, I do recall that Iraq is a country that has a regular army with weapons, jet fighters, tanks, missiles, warships, arterially ....ect ect, where as Palestine doesn't even have the right to be a country, and doesn't have anything remotely close to an army, the international even if it was fooled during the intervention, approved the attacks where as Israel is not respecting any single UN resolution on the matter or the La Haye supreme court orders ..... and for half a century now!.I can go on and on I can write a thousands things proving that the two cannot be compared No they aren't.
The fact that their population grew over time is enough evidence for that.
But I guess you just like repeating yourself in hopes it'll become true.
This is again totally false, and you are the one repeating your self, there are many listed and recognized Genocides by the UN, in where the population growth was not affected, yet the population growing that not make it any less of genocide or systematic killing. do you want me to list some? You say it as if excuses matter when the UN is comprised mostly from communist and arab countries (dictatorships) who automatically vote against Israel.
Just go research a bit on how biased the UN is when you compare it to other REAL problems where hundred of thousands or even millions are dying. I doubt you will though, I bet you think the UN is the pinnacle of human achievements.
Ah, wait, maybe you hate them because they don't do enough against Israel...
But than, you can't really explain how come Israel is the country with majority of resolutions against. I guess the crimes in China, Russia, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia are all childs play compared. lol.
Luckily, Israel is selfish enough to do what is best for itself.
Beyond me why Israel don't take the approach that China would have taken, or US, or Russia if they had hamas as a neighbor.
I don't know how can you lie so blatantly with a straight face, but lets break down and prove that this is another lie of yours http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_the_United_Nations: -UN Members = 193 Nations -Arab Members = 21 or 22 if we count intermediate status -communist countries in UN = 5 So communist + arabs = 22+5 which is wait for it 27 out of 193 that's not even 14% of UN members. Tell me how biased the UN is? didn't they slam Syria with different resolutions and economical and political sanctions, or you mean maybe Iran, the UN is definity biased, because a minority holds the power in UN, and the majority of that minority support Israel (their official statement) hence not a single sanction ever touched Israel. so no the UN is far from being the pinnacle of human achievement but when the votes are democratically made the resolutions are clear but as long as the veto system exist it will remain broken, and I'm not even going to mention the lobbyism of super powers. As for the amount of resolutions it's simple the when you do not apply to any resolution made for over half a century they tend, wait for it, to accumulate. Of course Israel is doing the best for it self, that is destroying any peace and negotiating possibility so they can keep the situation as it is as a colonialist that rules over most of the land of Palestine and steal it resources. Neither the US or Chinas or Even Russia, are colonizing a country for over half a century and terrorizing millions, and killing thousands every couple of months/years without any judgment, but that's not even the point, how can you make excuse of a regime killing thousands of innocent civilians, just by saying oh look there are other badies in the world and we are not the only ones, but that doesn't surprise me from you, your logic is so strong on this matter. Oh please...
So where is your proof? so that's all you've got to say on the matter? Totally neutral.
Maybe you missed these huh (btw you see how quoting one self or someone can be a proof ? yet you've denied just a few line ago in your same post If it is my opinion you are asking for I can't say 100% it is legit as I have no prove, but I'm just reporting the news which seems to be legit as the profile does exist or did exist till a few mins/hours ago http://instagram.com/daviddovadia# you can still find information in google cache for example. is unbelievable, no there way to much proves that shows such behavious from some IDF soldiers, heck even the civilians does worse things, remember the teenager that was burned both inside out, and outside but you on the other hand decide it's fake from no where,
Why think when you can sheep.
It might fake but there are tons of videos, and reports of people doing and being proud of such things, this beyond not having morals, this is a psychopath murderer doing whatever he wants
Well the truth of war we have to this instant is 1391 Palestinians Killed, Mostly Children, Women and Elderly, the children death toll on it own exceeds 300s I'll edit this when I'll get a more precise value, as for the source of death, they are not mentioned, so the death toll cannot denie (as there are hundreds of children deaths) and cannot confirm (as we do not know how they died) but again the balance between tends towards it being for real for the simple reason that there were previously extrem posts on instagram by idf soldiers and here is a soft example from an Israeli source http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/idf-soldier-posts-instagram-photo-of-palestinian-boy-in-crosshairs-of-sniper-rifle-1.504117and Palestinian children were sniped by Israeli soldier before and this is also a fact. Wrong. I had pretty good reasons to assume it's fake, but you just ate it as it is because it fitted your propaganda.
Not surprised you'd post such bullshit. Not only is his twitter account is full of moderated posts (contrary to the fake post in the OP), but both instagram accounts that were used are private, how convenient. https://twitter.com/daviddovadiaBut I guess asking from some people to turn their brains on is just to much. Why think when you can sheep. So your reason is a twitter account on which previous posts were deleted/inexistent (unless I searched wrong and you can correct me on this), sounds reasonable as a proof I refer you to the last time I quoted my self where I present real Proofs on occurrences, and reasons why that Instagram post tends to present reality rather than being fake, but again you fall to see the difference between you and me, I don't claim the 100% veracity of that post, yet you on several occasions you didn't do such a thing and claimed it was fake. Yes, Israelis are capable of it, but the incident with the kid has nothing to do with IDF, it was the work of 2 or 3 extremists and TBH, if you'd actually go back and check the history of how many times Israeli civilians actually retaliated with killing a palestinians, you'd be surprised, but hey, why check when 1 time is enough to generalize.
I'll even raise you one and say there's a group of extremists in Israel called 'Price Tag', and while they retaliate often about various Arab aggressions and terrorist attack, they haven't actually taken the life of an arab.
More so, if you'd actually asked Israelis, you'd find out that most of them condemn their actions, something you can't say about the Palestinians.
And where did I say the kid was killed by IDF? I clearly stated Israeli extremist, (and I do my search maybe you need to check your stuff a little bit more http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settler_violence not only that but once again you are lying claiming that I generalize to Israeli civilian populations, yet I clearly stated Israeli extremist) then I moved on to IDF by giving a couple of example of atrocities. You can, but it's irrelevant because I know from personal experience how IDF are trained - they are trained to value life, not death.
They don't train to kill civilians, kids, women or men.
And if they happen to kill a civilian, it was not intentional.
I know for a fact that no commander there, in the field or otherwise, would even command his troops to shot civilians or even to shot unarmed hamas member that is a known terrorist.
So yes, for me IDF is as moral of an army as you can get.
But unlike you, I know, you just think you know.
So it is your knowledge of how IDF members are trained vs documented facts, hmm it's pretty obvious which side to follow here. Your logic never cease to amazes me. |
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True stuff kuroman .
And to be clear. I'm not defending anyone. The civilian death toll is way out of control and Israel is creating the next generation of radicals. There will be no winners in this war.
Actually there is, the politicians in Israel who wants the situation to never change and do no want to be pushed to the negotiation table and don't want to accept the UN resolutions.... |
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Where is the report of 13 children being sniped?
This looks a lot like propaganda. As if it's not bad enough that children are dying from heavy fire.
"Truth is the first causality of war."
Well the truth of war we have to this instant is 1391 Palestinians Killed, Mostly Children, Women and Elderly, the children death toll on it own exceeds 300s I'll edit this when I'll get a more precise value, as for the source of death, they are not mentioned, so the death toll cannot denie (as there are hundreds of children deaths) and cannot confirm (as we do not know how they died) but again the balance between tends towards it being for real for the simple reason that there were previously extrem posts on instagram by idf soldiers and here is a soft example from an Israeli source http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/idf-soldier-posts-instagram-photo-of-palestinian-boy-in-crosshairs-of-sniper-rifle-1.504117and Palestinian children were sniped by Israeli soldier before and this is also a fact. |
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