It's also noticeable that Israel hasn't wipe Palestine this far, because unlike Palestinians, Israelis actually can erase Palestine of the map. I don't doubt that if Palestinians had the same fire power wouldn't think much before wipe Israel.
Maybe because Israeli are not bloody savages... Or maybe if they do, they'll lose all legitimity, and they'll lose their US backup, because it would create a real outrage everywhere, but for now as long as they can justify with self defense and say look we didn't kill anybody, we are doing surgically precise hits they'll be fine. I mean seriously read, some Israeli books on the matter, and the different strategies they have in place to do such a thing. 1200 Palestinians mostly civilians died so far and still more to come and dozens of thousands wounded or/and disabled. |
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They made huge mistake once in Libya and couldn't afford another mistake now.
At least they learned something from their previous mistake.
Day by day Libya is going to the chaos, following bad examples of Syria and Iraq.
I think other embassies will follow Americans and evacuate soon.
I think the US power in the area is decreasing, Iran, Iraq and now Libya. Which ones do you think will be evacuated? All this area falling in political chaos and this is very bad news, not just for USA but whole world, and specially for local people living there. I'm afraid that not just this 3 countries you mentioned above but some other may follow Libya's example soon (Egypt for example, Jordan etc) so whole region can explode. It seems that question is not any more if but when. Egypt and Jordan are fine as they have strong armies, as long as the issue is not coming from the inside, Jordan is very stable, In Egypt the army took over and the situation seems to be stable right now |
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3- the part of youth you see on the street the ones that are from arab ethnicities, are mostly a third 4th or even 5th generation from an immigrant family, and they are totally French but some people seems to forget these parts.
Come here, go in their fucking ghetto and ask them if they feel French ! stupid ! You really live in a fairy tale... I'm sorry to say, but the stupid one here is the person insulting others without and argue or provide proves or facts on the matter Peut être que je connais la situation en France mieux que vous. I think extreme left wing and extreme right wing socialism are the same thing.
Extreme right wing and socialism in the same sentence about France? please do some reading before spouting such a non sense it's embarrassing. |
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^^ Egypt sees Palestinians in Gaza as Hamas supporters. And they don't like Hamas. In fact they are accusing Hamas, which is an ally of Muslim Brotherhood, for terrorist operations on their territory and are actively searching and destroying tunnels connected to Sinai, thus strenghtening economic blockade of Gaza. Egypt is probably one of the last countries who would want to help Palestinians while Hamas is representing them.
If they want help Palestinian they can take back Gaza and fight Hamas, but they won't. Because Israel will let that happen? and that's only just small hardle of a thousand. You seem to simplify things to much and think this some sort of game..... do some reading get some books from different sources, check out both side narrative, and check if each version corresponds to what's happening on the terran, so you can make a balanced judgement, and right now the Israeli version is full of lies and doesn't hold up and we can compare point by point, if you want and from the start of this current Massacre to this day 1200 Palestiniens died with over 50% of them being Children and Women. |
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all these are the result the democracy and freedom that was spread there as in Iraq and Afghanistan......
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When 3 Israeli go missing it gives the justification to slaughter over 800 Palestinians  Actually,it is a response for the constant rocket fire and terror attacks on Israel Are you being serious ? at least be partial before making judgment and check the chronology of events, Israel attacked 2-3 Gaza, breaking prisoner exchange deal with Hamas, killed Hamas members and bombing Gaza before the rocket started firing, and all this happened between the 12 and 19 of June. Also the death numbers are reaching 1200 and more to come, but yes one side can do whatever they want as they are protected and no one dare to take real measures against them. |
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1200 death and thousands of injured and disabled with more than 50% of the victimes are children and women, and more to come, thousands of civilians will die, and proves that the 3 Israelis weren't killed by Hamas and that Israel knew they were dead before they attacked Gaza are leaking out ....
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the Palestinians can not beat Israel militarily, there is no point in continuing to fight a war they can not win.
they must realize their land has been taken by an enemy much stronger than them, cut their loses, and negotiate an unconditional surrender.
every day this war goes on more Palestinians are dying for nothing.
I dont know what is the logic behind your comment because it's doesn't make sense at all, is that some sort of a joke? or satire/sarcasm <.< what war are you talking about? a war is between two armies, and here it is NOT the case, it's a massacre. What do you expect the palestinians to do? leave their land and everything they have so Israel is happy ? maybe you should start by imagining your self in their place before spouting such non sense, this is not a game where you give your land and you can start right over in somewhere else or maybe you have the political power and willing to give them part of your country so they can live there as any human being deserve to |
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You are funny you seem think is Israel who decide. What do you do of their "partner for peace" ?
you are the one funny here because it is Israel that's colinizing Palestine and not the other way around, it is Israel, that is murdering hundreds of civilians and not Palestine, it's Israel that blocking the right of Palestinians to have their own nation, and stealing land and resources while breaking international law and many UN resolutions (and I'm not going to talk about the dozens of UN resolutions but were VETOed by the US), If Israel wasn't doing all this their position would be legitimate but right now it isn't and it is quite the opposite |
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Rare? It may have some requirements, but it's allowed (up to 4 depending how strictly the muslims take it) as if the word "marriage", because that's all that is, a word, makes a whole difference in matters of the act itself being adultery or not.
Twisting the World to make it fit in Islam is a common practice. Islam is like a tailor that when the suit doesn't fit tries to make amendments at the customer.
And I love that "you're media misinformed" bullshit! I read the Quran and Hadeeth to see what is that about, been to Middle East, Indonesia, Malaysia... don't need to read in the papers.
From all of it, what got me more amazed is how much of a religion-lovers muslims are, they put religion above everything, parents included, and don't think much before jump into a Taqqyia-mood if see it attacked.
I don't know which parts you've missed on my comment, but I think I was clear about, you think Polygamy is a common occurrence in the arab/Islamic world as you are basing your argumentation on Polygamy, I invite again to check your facts, as you are really misinformed if you disagree, then post one static study that shows that polygamy is common in Islamic/arab world |
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Why should Israel annexes Jerusalem why not give Jerusalem to the Palestinians ? and why should Israel be armed even further ?
Hamas finds it reason in existence, in the colonization of Palestine by Israel, if Israel, goes to pre-1967 there won't any war, especially is Palestinians are allowed to have their own country with real institution with police and army that could enforce order.
I don't think land is the main issue here, though it's often stated by extremists as such. As far as I can tell, Palestinians want their human rights to be respected - whether that is under a Palestinian state, Israel, or whatever, is a secondary consideration to the population. The problem is, Israel isn't interested in a one state solution, since that would be a "demographic" problem... so much for democracy. Notice, if you did miss the point, that I didn't mention land only (land is also part of the problem) but the right of existence of the state of Palestine is of most important and which is a total different story |
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No offense but that sounds like a totally made up number. There are more and more Latinos in the US but it's not like they are the majority, yet. Although I think whites won't be greater than 50 percent in the next few decades. Depends what region you live in too I guess
Latinos are already approaching the majority mark in several of the big US states, such as Texas and California. And as of 2013, white births were less than 50% of all the American births. Coming back to France, the 15% mark will surely go up in the next few decades. It may not reach 40%, but 25% to 30% is possible by 2050. People tends to easily forgets the origins of the immigration in France. Such as 1- Africans including north-africans (arabs) that helped liberate France and Europe at the cost of their lives, and the ones that survived and lived in France made several generations 2- the reconstruction of France after world war II and the economic boom of France in the 60 required a lot of working force, hence a lot of people were brought from African and north african countries to help with this 3- the part of youth you see on the street the ones that are from arab ethnicities, are mostly a third 4th or even 5th generation from an immigrant family, and they are totally French but some people seems to forget these parts. But this whole point is derailling from the thread "Anti-Israel protesters rally across France" I personally find the abbreviation of this title misleading and partially wrong : the demonstrations are not ANTI-Israel , as in they don't want the existance of Israel or it destruction, but they are against the Politics of Israel towards palestinians and the massacre happening in Gaza. |
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Here's my peace process plan:
Point 1: Israel withdraws from the West Bank. In exchange, Israel gets 2 Los Angeles Class submarines, 10 F-22s, and 20 F-35s. Afterwards, it annexes all of East Jersualem and gives Arabs living their equal rights as Israeli citiizens. It then annexes the Golan Heights and gives everyone there equal rights as Israeli citizens.
Point 2: Mahmoud Abbas cuts ties with Hamas in exchange for an Israeli guarantee to never expand territory, even after winning any future defensive wars.
Point 3: Israel agrees to never expand territory as long as the Golan Heights, pre-1967 Israel, and a united Jerusalem (East and West) are recognized as Israeli and Ramallah becomes the Palestinian capitol.
Point 4: Israel makes peace with the Palestinians and with all of its neighbors and they work together financially and politically.
Why should Israel annexes Jerusalem why not give Jerusalem to the Palestinians ? and why should Israel be armed even further ? Hamas finds it reason in existence, in the colonization of Palestine by Israel, if Israel, goes to pre-1967 there won't any war, especially is Palestinians are allowed to have their own country with real institution with police and army that could enforce order. |
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Marriage is meaningless, is a bureaucratic bullshit and you made no point in its favor.
By the simple fact a muslim man can marry more than one woman makes him engaging multi-partner relationships. Or in other words, when he gets the second woman he is committing adultery to the first one, regardless the bullshit of marriage papers.
Again this is wrong, misinformed -well this one might be a matter of opinion but if marriage for you just a bureaucratic bullshit, that's just your opinion and I disagree, It's more than that, it's the uniou of to people that pledge to take care of each other for life. -As for Muslims being able to marry more, maybe you need to check the conditions for a man to be able to marry another wife, you'll be surprised and you'll understand, why polygamy is very rare and almost non existent in the islamic world |
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Nearly 800 Palestinians have been killed during Israel's 16-day war on Gaza. In one of the latest attacks, at least 17 people sheltering in a United Nations school in northern Gaza were killed by Israeli shelling. Pools of blood and black blast marks stained the courtyard of the UN school in Beit Hanoun, where hundreds of terrified civilians, most of them women, children and the elderly, believed they would be safe from the fierce fighting raging around them. They were not safe; despite warning the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) that many civilians were sheltering at the school, Israeli tanks opened fire on it at around 2:50 p.m. on Thursday, Palestine's Maan News Agency reports. "We told the army several times to warn us because we know the school is located in a dangerous place," a statement from the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNWRA) said. "We told them to give us enough time so we can evacuate women and UNWRA team, but they did not."  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P70H_HYlVIIIf they knew the school is in a dangerous place why not evacuate them instead of waiting for word from the Army? Because Palestine will trade thier women and children for propaghanda. Evacuate them to where? do you even know the size of Gaza, and the destruction that is Happened in Gaza, do you know what's a UN shelter and bombing such a thing is considered as what type of crime according to international law, you are either intellectually malsaint or really clueless and brainwashed by propaganda, please use your brain and check the points I mentioned before answering me The Hamas use people as human shield near their missile launch fields, and they atack Israel knowing they have no chance against them. So no good guy in this story.
Their missile launchers are highly mobile. So the Hamas militants move their launchers on the terraces of hospitals and schools thinking that the Israelis will not attack them. Sometimes they don't retaliate and sometimes they do. Missiles? highly mobile ? I'm sorry but you are either lieing or ignorant and in both cases if I were you I wouldn't comment such a things. But I'll answer you. 1- Hamas does not own or built missiles, and you need to learn the different between a missile (missile system) and an artisanal made rockets. 2- Hamas members cannot move an inch outside especially if they carrying such rockets ( and some of them are huge twice the size of a man (the ones that reach Israeli cities) as it would be a an autosuicide , everything is being shot at including civilians, and do you think armed men carrying rocket will pass freely ? lol 3- As for Human shields, I asked a couple of time for someone showing a proof , of Hamas getting people in front of them and attacking Israeli soldiers, on the other hand, just google Israeli soldiers using human shields like this : http://crushzion.k0nsl.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/humanshield-jew.jpghttp://www.dci-pal.org/english/doc/press/sabri.jpghttp://crushzion.k0nsl.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/palestinian-boy-as-human-shield-by-jews.jpgand these are the safest pictures you can find on the internet, there are some atrocities that you can find that just remembering them makes me nauseous |
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Dont see a problem with arresting members of an internationally recognised terror group. Except that most of the people that were arrested were innocent, and the other part that were released, were leased following a deal that WAS NOT HONOROD by Israel but again you are derailing from the fact the point you claimed that Hamas started the hostilities, where did that go? Self defence=retaliating against the rocket fire on Israel coming out of Gaza.
Source for that 1 children per hour?
Anyway children die in war.
I dont know what kind of a genocider gives warning to civilians before bombing terror sites,gives free electricity,medicine and other supplies for the victim. Also the growing Palestinian population shows this is not a genocide. If Israel wanted to genocide the Palestinians,they would have already done it long ago.
Thats your own definition on self definition here is the definition of self defense according to prominent dictionaries, and in the law : http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/self-defensehttp://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/self-defencehttp://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/self-defensehttp://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=1909http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/self-defense.htmlUse of reasonable force (as compared with the attacker's force) in protection of one's person, family, property, or anyone else against attempted or threatened attack. Legal doctrine of self defense justifies a preemptive action taken in the reasonable belief of immediate danger, without making any retreat, and may (specially in case of provocation) condone killing of the perpetrator of a murderous attack. Except that as proven above it was Israel that attacked first, so this whole argument is totally false as and by your logic here it's Hamas that is on self defense here (Hamas in my eyes is a terrorist group as they targeting indiscriminately Israeli civilians but Israel is even worse by this same definition) As for Israel warning civilians please lol, the so called warning bombs killed over 30 Palestinians, there thousands of strikes that were made without warning, you seems to avoid the part when I site the example of the 8 years old children that were playing in the beach, or just today the UN Shelter that was blown to dust resulting in the death of 30-40 Palestinians and hundreds of injuries (this is a crime war btw according to UN rules) This is a genocide, look up the recent genocides listed according to the UN, and you'll see that what's happening in Gaza is similar to those in terms of numbers and events When you investigate a murder,you're gonna arrest some people,especially in a hostile territory where every citizen can be a murder suspect due to their extreme hate of Jews&Israel The question "who started" will take you nowhere and can go back to 1948. i can say Hamas started by suicide attacking Israelis in 2002. Israel can't make warning for every attack,the target can escape. I didn't say Israel is always 100% right,but people,including innocents die during war. That UN school might have hosted hamas rockets,who knows? they found Hamas rockets in UNRWA schools twice,therfore making it a valid target http://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press-releases/unrwa-condemns-placement-rockets-second-time-one-its-schoolsDefine "Genocide" Do you even read what I'm saying or just posting blindly again the same thing, You are repeating the same things that were answered point by point, read again please and can you please answer what was mentioned on point as for the origins of the conflicts, it's 1948 the problems started at the end of the 19 century with the birth of Zionism and it became serious after WWI but that's not the point you are just dodging the point where you claimed that this event is Hamas fault, which was proven wrong a genocide is listed after it's over, not while it's happening, also the US is blocking anything that would condemn this as a Genocide officially check out the the list of UN resolutions against Israel that Vetoed and were Vetoed by who, as for the definitions, like I said before, what's happening in Palestine falls into that definition, and the most recent genocides listed are on pare of what happening in Palestine right now, in terms of numbers and the way it's happening |
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translation? I don't get it ? please put some context so we understand the thread |
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Well I find it the natural follow up to the legalization of same sex marriage in many countries...., what's next Bestiality ? ....
I found "marriage" absurd on all its extent. Marriage is nothing but a dark age attempt to force someone to stay with someone else. It's also the bureaucratic hypocrites best thing! Take Muslims for an instance, they're mostly adulterers with strong anti-adultery laws. What would be just funny if they won't sentence anybody (women mostly) to death over that hypocrite non-sense. Hmm I disagree, I think marriage is something important and it is part of what makes human beings, while at the same time we still have the choice of marrying or not marrying, but that's not even the point of my comments as for the Muslim case that's totally wrong, and feel free to post a legitimate source to that claim if you have one, as for death penalty for adultery (it's not woman mostly) it's a by passed law, that you only find in tribal and extremist regions. to my knowledge the death penalty is limited to married people couples cheating and this has the same punishment in other religions such as christinans if I remember correctly you can check out Leviticus 20:10 and there tons of references I just don't remember everything , as for people that are not married it's 60 lashes or something like. I invite you to do some reading because it's seems you are misinformed with everything that is put in the media |
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I assume you are kidding, they was very few people from other community who are show to the media to prove there isn't just Arab. Also most people i know don't liked the street were busy cause of pro-palestinian protest.
We have a lot of problems in France, most people don't give a fuck about ME, except some Arab on welfare and communist.
"arabs on welfare" if they are on warfare they French no matter what's their origin is. but it seems that you have a problem with the right of expression once opinion and the right of being different |
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