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1441  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Exit strategy on: March 04, 2019, 09:08:41 PM
I'm fairly new to crypto. Have bought some through coinbase. But looking to transfer to a hard wallet. My question is this. Let's say all of us dreamers and pumpers dreams come true and bitcoin and crypto take off. We all have a number in our head of what we would sell some or most of our crypto if it reached that number. What is your exit strategy? Did most of you buy through coinbase and will just transfer back into there? Would they be able to support millions of people withdrawing hundreds of thousands of dollars? Crypto seems fairly liquid but again if it shoots to the moon, how liquid will it really be?

I never plan on selling all my bitcoins. That was one of my biggest mistakes from years ago -- deciding to sell everything because of a temporary bear market. By the time I bought back, I was buying back much higher than I sold.

My overall "exit strategy" is to take partial profit during future bubble periods. You can never know where the market will stop going up; all you can do is take some profit off the table when the market is skyrocketing. A year or three later, hopefully I can buy back my coins much cheaper, and then rinse/repeat.

I'm not too worried about Coinbase's banking infrastructure. The main thing that worries me is the size of their customer cryptocurrency storage. If they get hacked or embezzled, it's game over. Don't store your coins there!
1442  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Cryptopia exchange hacked on: February 28, 2019, 09:50:14 PM
Cryptopia Exchange@Cryptopia_NZ
Update: We are aiming to have the Cryptopia site re-opened as read only by Monday.
Re-open? Lol, I don't think so if people or their current clients will trust them again. They are a very shady exchange, I think building trust again for them is not easy and as of now traders perhaps afraid of what happened before. my guess that exchange was going to die no traders will come there.

If user losses are capped below 10%, things might actually just go on as normal. Remember when Bitfinex got hacked for 120,000 bitcoins? They only got bigger after that. Never underestimate cryptocurrency investors. They're born gamblers.

Cryptopia has never really come across as shady to me, either. Maybe stretched too thin and supporting too many coins, but not particularly shady.

Still wondering how's the compensation (cross fingers) of lost tokens will be done.

Maybe some angel investor will step in so Cryptopia can compensate the losses, like Coincheck. Wouldn't that be nice? Smiley

I'm guessing they'll issue tokens for the losses like Bitfinex did.
1443  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: What determines the newbie experience when they first come to bitcoin? on: February 27, 2019, 10:15:20 PM
I was thinking about this and I'm not sure what moulds people's experience with bitcoin when they first start? I started off by thinking it might be the time they come there but I know people who started in bitcoin at about the same time as me and they were very much into icos like ethereum.
I'm wondering whether it's the experience they come for that decides how their journey pans out. For example I think I came much more for knowledge and have only recently started trading (which is probably a much safer path to follow albeit less exciting)...

Anyone got any thoughts on this?

Since 2013 or so, I'm guessing most newbies start out on the "get rich quick" path. Many have this idea that Bitcoin is too expensive and they throw their money at shiny altcoins. I did this myself when I first arrived on the scene. I paid dearly for it when prices crashed!

Getting scammed or hacked a couple times early on also seems to be a formative experience for most newcomers. Cryptocurrency really brings out the scammers thanks to nearly instant/irreversible payments. Newbies usually don't have the security mindset that's necessary to avoid being parted from their money.
1444  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: What are the chances of bitmain controlling more than 51%? on: February 27, 2019, 10:02:10 PM
So I'm slightly worried bitmain could potentially have more than 51% of hash power and are hiding it.

They own ant pool and dpool which make up a lot of the mining power along with btc.com and there's an extremely high amount of unknown solves. To an extent where this could be another mining pool or bitmain.

https://www.blockchain.com/pools is the reference I was using to come to this idea...

If you're right, I'm fairly sure it's not the first time they've accumulated that much hash power. The discussion about Bitmain controlling a majority of the hash rate has been going on for 2-3 years now.

I'm sure many other miners point their rigs at Bitmain's pools. If Bitmain stepped out of line, miners would move elsewhere. And there goes that huge hash rate under their control. Plus, their reputation could implode -- surely not a wise move with an IPO on deck.

Based on these considerations, I'm not too concerned.
1445  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Elon Musk calls crypto “quite energy intensive” on: February 27, 2019, 09:49:54 PM
Moreover, a miner pays for the energy, not as if the energy used is free, it is left for the energy producing company to step up if it’s affecting them

That's definitely an issue. Ideally, miners would buy excess energy at a discount where it's abundant, rather than adding load to a high-demand or low-supply grid. There already exists some natural incentive to promote this: Where electricity is more abundant, prices are cheaper. I think as we see more businesses of scale enter the mining sector, we'll see an ever increasing share of operations moving towards more sustainable situations where they won't threaten power grids or drive prices up.

There's also the likelihood that green energy sources like wind and solar generation will become increasingly efficient and accessible to the market. That will lower the footprint of what miners consume beyond excess supply.
1446  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Paxful or LocalBitcoins? Which one is better and why? on: February 26, 2019, 09:42:48 PM
www.paxful.com and www.localbitcoins.com both allow for an escrow system for exchanging bitcoins for cash with peer to peer

What are your experiences with each?

Which do you prefer?

Thanks

Personally I'd prefer Localbitcoins over paxful any day. It's more established and more trusted, and there are more advertisements and better rates in general.

However, in terms of privacy I think that paxful may have the upper edge. Localbitcoins has recently implemented a verification system that forces you to submit ID once you reach a certain threshold of trading volume, on top of the fact that they already force you to verify if you want to place any ads.

This is the trade-off. It used to be a very obvious choice -- Localbitcoins, hands down. It has much more listings and also just a superior UI. But now that you need to do KYC with Localbitcoins and individual traders are sometimes asking for ID, it sucks for privacy reasons.

Bisq is an option to trade without KYC, but volume is lacking.

Next time I need to do a P2P cash transaction, I'm probably going to try Paxful so I can avoid giving up my ID, but I'm not sure how long that'll last.
1447  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 2008 financial crisis with bitcoin? on: February 26, 2019, 06:51:16 AM
What do you think is the likelihood of a 2008 financial crisis happening again if we only used bitcoin and there were no fiat money at all?

Fiat money isn't the only problem. Fractional reserve lending, debt securitization, banks using collateral posted by clients... The entire financial system is a house of cards. We would need a complete overhaul of the banking system to prevent a major financial crisis like that from occurring again.
1448  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: ToominCoin aka "Bitcoin_Classic" #R3KT on: February 26, 2019, 06:40:44 AM
Economic incentives, usability and security level will decide that.

I think we'll see in the coming years that BSV simply isn't sustainable.

It's funny that you mention "economic incentives." A deflationary supply with no fee pressure? 1 TB block sizes in the next 2 years? How is that supposed to incentivize miners to secure the chain? It sounds ludicrous.

Compared to LN - easy to sustain.

Compared to 1megSegshit coin - easy after as well cause lot of business will use BSV also as audit / time stamping layer, the only open scalable blockchain the industries are looking for, and can adopt cause the impl is close to spec - legit as such - and does not (need to) change. LN and other 2nd layer stuff are not 10y old and tested Bitcoin and are at experimental stage at best with poor level of safety for any industrial use and legal implications that make any adoption challenging.

You're just dodging the issue, though. It doesn't even matter if everyone in the world wants to use BSV. The entire design is based on the idea of not allowing scarcity of block space. There is no way to pressure fees above zero. How the hell are miners going to be paid? Or do BSV miners just secure the chain out of the goodness of their hearts?

BSV is setting itself up to implode when the mining subsidy starts winding down. Not that it matters to Craig Wright and Calvin Ayre. They're just here for the cash grab.
1449  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Samsung confirms the rumor! on: February 26, 2019, 06:16:25 AM
Samsung is a Korea company and they need to comply with the local regulations
And the regulations is by far not friendly against crypto investors:

$0.00 Hello,
This is Bithumb, the global cryptocurrency exchange.

* Under 18 years of age,corporate member, Non-Korean are not eligible to opening virtual account.
* KRW withdrawal service for non-registered members can only be made before the closure.
* Trading, withdrawal and deposit of Cryptocurrency will be run as normal.

We appreciate your understanding.
Thank you.

Imagine everyone who store their crypto into the wallet created by Samsung and later found out not being able to withdraw.

Nonsense, this is just for private key storage. There's no interfacing with any exchanges, let alone Korean ones. I'm pretty sure what Samsung is doing is integrating a hardware wallet into the Galaxy S10. Where you buy your coins is up to you -- they're just providing a storage mechanism.
1450  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: ToominCoin aka "Bitcoin_Classic" #R3KT on: February 26, 2019, 06:08:35 AM
Stable, simple and legal impl of the white paper will win all markets.

I can only see BSV being the true and acceptable Bitcoin.

On what possible basis?  BSV has ~650 nodes.  LN has ~6500 nodes.  It's pretty clear which one the market prefers.

Economic incentives, usability and security level will decide that.

I think we'll see in the coming years that BSV simply isn't sustainable.

It's funny that you mention "economic incentives." A deflationary supply with no fee pressure? 1 TB block sizes in the next 2 years? How is that supposed to incentivize miners to secure the chain? It sounds ludicrous.
1451  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Who's filling up the mempool at the moment? on: February 26, 2019, 05:54:00 AM
Yeah but the catch is that they are all VERY low fee txns.

Deanonymization attacks perhaps?

How would that work exactly?

Either way though, no one else seem to be talking about this. Weird.

I did notice a significant spike in fees earlier and was wondering what was going on, especially since the market seems so dead. When these spikes in network activity come out of left field like that, you have to wonder what's causing it. After the spam attacks of 2016/2017 I always think of the BCH camp first.
1452  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2019-02-22] Bitcoin Transactions per Second Approaching All-time High on: February 23, 2019, 11:15:54 PM
What people seem to ignore is how Bitcoin's transactions on-chain didn't exactly go down because of less interest, but the fact services around the globe started to batch them. If you batch transactions, the number of transactions logically declines, but the value that continues to be transferred from one place to another remained the same, and has gotten even a healthy boost lately.

If you take that into consideration, then it's clear that smarter utilization of block space is what lead to lower fees.

Indeed, this is a really important aspect of the fee market that people often don't account for. It's one of the reasons why limiting block size is really important for scalability.

Fee pressure naturally causes services and users to make their use of transactions more efficient. This not only frees up block space and lowers fees as transaction batching becomes the norm and Segwit (and later Schnorr) adoption increases, but it's a way of organically encouraging a more scalable blockchain. If fees were perpetually cheap, then users would have no incentive to optimize for scalability.
1453  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Elon Musk calls crypto “quite energy intensive” on: February 23, 2019, 07:51:19 PM
I'm sure he's not ignorant of alternative consensus methods. There just don't exist any yet that can come close to providing the security that proof-of-work does.

Federated consensus may have uses but it doesn't solve the Byzantine Generals' Problem and it requires a lot of trust. The point of Bitcoin was to eliminate trust, not to trust an elite group of validators to do the right thing.
Well, I didn't say federated consensus. I said Stellar's federated Byzantine agreement. It's central to the Stellar Consensus Protocol.

https://medium.com/stellar-development-foundation/on-worldwide-consensus-359e9eb3e949

Or, if you're really ambitious:

https://www.stellar.org/papers/stellar-consensus-protocol.pdf

To my knowledge, there has yet to be a significant flaw found in the consensus system of Stellar. And no mining to contribute to global warming.

I guess you can have your cake and eat it, too.

I'm aware of how Stellar works and I've read through the whitepaper. It definitely uses federated consensus, which implies lots of trust. I think that was one of the original purposes of Ripple/Stellar -- to leverage trust on the blockchain. An interesting concept, but absolutely not worthy of comparing to Bitcoin's security. There's no incentive to be a validator. The choice exists to trust whoever you want, but logically who will users trust and what is the default behavior? It tends towards a hub-and-spoke model where trusted banks, exchanges, and other services dictate the network consensus.

The incentives just aren't strong enough to keep everyone honest. Bitcoin's rational mining incentives are much more reliable.
1454  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Storing cyrpto for clients on: February 23, 2019, 06:03:12 PM
The benefit of the 3rd signature would be that it can stay sealed somewhere for emergencies (your death).
Again, it's 2 of 3. So you can use the 2 signatures in the way you use now and the 3rd is for the case one of the usual signatures gets out of reach.

But who would hold the 3rd co-sign?

If I die (as I have already stated) there is a PoA.

I am leaning more towards a 2 of 3 multisig - but more in case my clients lose their keys or seed words.  But that would mean me holding 2 out of the 3 co-signs. 

Unless I set up a company specifically for this or have my lawyer be a co-sign for all of my clients too. That way a 2 out of 3 is the best solution maybe.

There's no ideal situation here.

You can do 2-of-2 and hope that your client never loses their key/seed, but if they lose them, the money is gone.

You can do 2-of-3 where you hold two keys (in separate physical locations to prevent compromise) and your client holds one, but this effectively places the funds in your sole custody. That raises liability issues if the funds are ever stolen.

You can do 2-of-3 where you hold one key and your client holds two (in separate physical locations) but again, this opens the possibility that your client has his keys/seeds compromised.

Whatever you do, I would avoid any liability in case things ever go awry. You don't want to be on the hook for a 20 BTC loss.

You could also consider an institutional custody service like Bitgo. I'm not sure exactly how their setup and pricing works but lots of services use them for multi-sig storage.
1455  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: selling and buying bitcoin with giftcard question on: February 22, 2019, 11:08:44 PM
I was looking at paxful and I can see a lot of people do this, but my question is how do the ones with a lot of volume get the money back into bitcoin, I mean you cant use 100 itunes cards and 50 amazon cards a day, you have to be able to replenesh your bitcoin sooner or later. Is this a trade secret or am I just not able to figure it out

Aren't they buying and selling? They probably sell BTC for gift cards at x% discount, buy BTC with gift cards at y% discount, and their profit is y-x.

There are several gift card reselling sites out there like GiftCardGranny and Raise.com. I'm not sure if the rates are worth it or not, but that's another way to liquidate them as well.
1456  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Unofficial Quadriga Cx Thread on: February 22, 2019, 10:55:40 PM
Brian Armstrong of Coinbase weighs in with their best guesses after a bit of analysis.

https://twitter.com/brian_armstrong/status/1098656491609849856

TLDR - they were a fractional reserve for quite some time, the bear market stopped the plates from spinning, they used the owner's death as an out.

That sounds about right to me.

I was hoping there would be some good blockchain analysis that might back up the fractional reserve theory. The circumstantial evidence -- especially when you consider the losses from the ETH smart contract bug and the ongoing delays in paying customers -- was already pretty strong.

I wonder if the owner really died or not. If so, I wonder why the other managers/directors thought they could hide the insolvency this way.
1457  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Samsung confirms the rumor! on: February 22, 2019, 10:34:02 PM
Has it really been confirmed? I wonder how exactly they'll implement this and how the keys can be safely stored in the phone. If any hacking happens it'll be a big setback for the company.

It has to be a secure element setup like a hardware wallet. The security assurances there -- as far as we know -- are pretty good. We'll only really know years down the road when this technology is sufficiently hardened.

I'm pretty surprised to see Samsung jumping into the fray with consumer key storage this soon. I agree the optics will be bad if there are any serious security holes with their implementation.
1458  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: House bills would revisit regulation of cryptocurrencies on: February 22, 2019, 10:27:12 PM
The bill would clarify which virtual currencies qualify as commodities, provide optional regulatory structure

Do you think the definition as a commodity will benefit future adoption of these cryptocurrencies? Also, organizational structure optional, consumer protection?
I think the G20 definition was much better than this adoption.

What's the G20 definition?

I don't think there can be any all-encompassing definition for digital currencies. Some seem like commodities while others -- like ICOs and STOs -- seem much more like securities. We should probably expect different regulatory structures depending on the type of coin.
1459  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Elon Musk calls crypto “quite energy intensive” on: February 22, 2019, 08:40:07 PM
Nonsense, it is more profitable to attack a Proof of Work Chain.
I attack a proof of work chain with ASICS  and after destroying that PoW coin move on to another PoW using the same algorithm .

That only works on insecure POW altcoins that share a hashing algorithm with a superior coin. For example, a relatively small subset of Bitcoin miners could attack Bitcoin Cash because it has such a small hash rate. The reverse could never be done. The incentives against double spending attacks are much stronger in Bitcoin or even Ethereum because of the extreme costs incurred by mining.

Proof of Stake requires , I purchase the amount of coins necessary to pull off at attack, which I immediately make my entire investment worth less by attacking it and can not switch to mining another coin like I can with a PoW coin.

You don't necessarily need to purchase that many coins. Groups of stakers can collude together. Altcoin supply distributions also tend to be highly concentrated, whether because of early accumulation when hardly any users existed or scammy initial distribution of coins.

Your entire investment wouldn't become worthless just because of a temporary 51% attack. Attacks like this have happened on lots of chains which still carry value today.

I'm not entirely opposed to POS myself, but I think its theoretical security guarantees are weak. I think if you want something close to irreversibility then you should use something like Bitcoin.
1460  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2019-02-20] Google Introduces Bitcoin Symbol on iOS Keyboards on: February 21, 2019, 09:07:09 PM
It's a clever way to get more people to switch from the apple keyboard to the google equivalent. Also shows that google is more forward thinking than apple
It seems like that yes, but then again Apple can easily counter by doing the exact same thing and potentially even add more crypto symbols, and then it's Google's turn to make a move.

Who's going to download the 3rd party Gboard app just because it has a Bitcoin symbol? That's got to be an extremely tiny niche of people. Gboard doesn't even have 10K ratings in the Iphone app store. People (like me) are just going to keep using their default Iphone keyboards.

The whole thing is bizarre, almost like a joke. This would actually be kind of cool if they added it to the Android app because Gboard is built-in on many Android phones = many millions of people using it.
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