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1521  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 20, 2014, 03:27:18 PM
Ahh!!! It's crashing to levels not seen in a long long time!!!

I'm selling all of my bitcoins!!!

Aaaahhhh!!

Permabull trying reverse psychology, not really working. This is just the second half of a correction, price will rebound.
Don't let yourself fooled by the to-da-mooners, take advantage of the top of that rebound, it should come in a couple of weeks.

Rebound from where? 350, 320, ..., 225, ...?

Probably from about 320$ in 3 - 4 days, if it unfolds similar (and a bit faster than) the last days of October.
1522  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 20, 2014, 02:06:13 PM
Ahh!!! It's crashing to levels not seen in a long long time!!!

I'm selling all of my bitcoins!!!

Aaaahhhh!!

Permabull trying reverse psychology, not really working. This is just the second half of a correction, price will rebound.
Don't let yourself fooled by the to-da-mooners, take advantage of the top of that rebound, it should come in a couple of weeks.
1523  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 20, 2014, 01:57:51 PM
Tell our customers to buy, and then... Dump it


FTFY Wink
1524  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 20, 2014, 01:34:12 PM


Typical hodler TA... Cheesy
1525  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 20, 2014, 01:14:11 PM
This is good, I hope all the Chinese exchanges get shut down finally.

Dumb question but why?

To buy really cheap (possibly double digit) coins? Cheesy

who teh f#ck would sell @double digit?!

The "stupid" traders, if they'll believe it's going to drop even lower?
Currently my analysis points to a bottom at 200$ or just below, if the Chinese exchanges keep operating.
If they will be shut down (which may or may not happen) the ask side would be transferred to Western exchanges and BFX.
The bid side would stay in mainland China until cashed out. The resulting huge imbalance between demand and supply
could eventually drive the price down to below 100$. Hard to believe, even for a bear like me, but.. this is bitcoin.
1526  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 20, 2014, 12:58:18 PM
This is good, I hope all the Chinese exchanges get shut down finally.

Dumb question but why?

To buy really cheap (possibly double digit) coins? Cheesy
1527  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 20, 2014, 12:55:21 PM
...
I cant open it, guess some dns issue.
could I get a digested version from someone?

The point is there could be a police investigation at Huobi, if the story is confirmed:

Today, an employee of Huobi BitVC gave out an article, saying he had to unveil the inside news of Huobi trading platform. Meanwhile, he did hope the management of Huobi can learn something from this event. What’s more, on the one hand, he hopes that No personal remarks will be made; on the other hand, he wishes that Huobi management can admit the things he said, or all the recordings will be announced.

the whole management team of Huobi, including Leon Li and Dujun actually know little about Bitcoin, what they have is the worship of Bitcoin, they only want to make money and make 796, OKCOIN and BTCC went bankrupt or even worse, and never thinking about whether their behaviors is helpful for Bitcoin industry or what they did will damage this industry.
1528  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 20, 2014, 12:39:31 PM
Scandal about Huobi's BitVC... or FUD planted by OKCoin?

Chinese article: http://www.btcbbs.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=25035&extra=
"火币网bitvc员工不得不说的惊人内幕"
"Huobi.com's bitvc employee reports amazing insider info"

English article based on it: http://www.bitell.com/t/2150
"We're Shocked!!! An Employee of Huobi BitVC Disclosed the Behind Story of His Working Platform, Huobi Co-founder Du Jun Claimed Huobi has Presented that to The Police"

Ouch! If this will be confirmed, the implications could be very bearish.
1529  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 20, 2014, 11:25:03 AM
this is ladies

This is the new bitcoin slang for going down? Huh
1530  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bears, Infidels and others alike thread. on: November 20, 2014, 11:10:16 AM
360 breached down on Bitstamp.

Do people still think we're going higher? Because facts tell otherwise. Funny part is that if everyone would buy just using their funds in the exchanges, without coming with new money, price will skyrocket. And also taking the coins out, securely in their wallets. But it won't, because every time the price increases a bit, people sell to buy lower. And once the price gets lower, everybody waits to buy even lower.


The behavior you describe is typical of a bear market, so what is your point? When the market will reach a low price at which there won't be many sellers left,
it will be possible to build the sub-waves of a new bull market. Right now the market enters oversold zone, but there is some room to drop further.
1531  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 20, 2014, 10:17:20 AM
I'm going to sleep, I hope I won't miss the fun. Tomorrow the market should decide, up or down.

Tomorrow has come and it's down. If this continues for a couple of days, the bullish scenario gets flushed down the toilet.
1532  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 19, 2014, 11:34:19 PM
I'm going to sleep, I hope I won't miss the fun. Tomorrow the market should decide, up or down.
1533  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 19, 2014, 06:57:16 PM
Found a bearisher scenario than mine (I doubt support at 320$ will be broken soon):
https://www.tradingview.com/v/UH3pISov/
1534  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 19, 2014, 06:11:09 PM
The market is at an inflection point again. For the bullish scenario to stay believable, support at 370$ must hold and then act like a base for a rally.
If not, this could deflate down to about 320$, then raise to about 380$ (bull trap or good sell point), before going down to find THE bottom.

sounds like someone is blindly regurgitating the bitcoin market analysis article released today lol http://www.dailytradingprofits.com/2112/bitcoin-market-report-111914/


No, I only read that after seeing your link. My analysis comes mainly from MACD observation, coupled with EW.
1535  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 19, 2014, 06:04:36 PM
The market is at an inflection point again. For the bullish scenario to stay believable, support at 370$ must hold and then act like a base for a rally.
If not, this could deflate down to about 320$, then raise to about 380$ (bull trap or good sell point), before going down to find THE bottom.
1536  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 19, 2014, 05:26:40 PM
If the market will recover soon, [ Ross ] will refrain from selling the other 100k, if not... Wink.

I don't think that Ross has any more control on the matter; the agreement, as I understood, covers the whole 140+ kBTC.  The USMS implied that they will auction them all, but they decided to split into three(?) auctions so as not to saturate the market.

Yes, just the gov has control; I had read the document but my brain couldn't register this the first time, it didn't make sense for DPR to give up all control.
Then I realized that he may have been beaten, starved, tortured, threatened, so he'd sign something potentially against his best interests.
The gov could sell the bitcoins close to THE bottom and DPR won't be able to do anything about it; however, it seems the gov sells in a larger
downtrend, close to the top of a rebound (bull trap). The feds might be less dumb than expected.
1537  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 19, 2014, 04:35:04 PM
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Exactly, this decision to sell the coins is solely from the US government not Ross.

It was a joint decision made in January.  Both the US government and Ross agreed that Bitcoin was going to tank.
...and were right.

Yes, they both agreed in January 2014, the question was if DPR had to agree to the sale now, as I thought was sensible, but I stand corrected.

"The United States and Ulbricht agree that the United States may, in its sole discretion, sell any portion or all of the Computer Hardware Bitcoins,
on a date or dates and in a manner to be determined by the Government."

So the gov believed the price will tank in June and they were right (Draper got bull trapped), the gov (not DPR) believes again the price will tank, guess what...
1538  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 19, 2014, 03:42:13 PM
You really think the FBI talked to DPR and discussed with him whether now would be a good time to sell? They sell now because they can, the FBI are no speculators and they certainly didn't ask for DPR's permission first.

Actually they did talk with Ross (not clear on whose initiative) and both agreed to sell.  The FBI still cannot sell those coins on their own, it is not yet decided whether they belong to Ross or to SilkRoad.  If they belong to Ross, they would have to wait for the verdict on Ross's trial.

Exactly, but probably Miz4r didn't bother to read the document.

As for the silly "as low of a price as possible", of course it doesn't make sense, DPR wants the best possible price (short term).
Probably after looking at the market he decided to average his cash out. If the market will recover soon, he will refrain from selling the other 100k, if not... Wink.
1539  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 19, 2014, 02:32:05 PM
...Those 180'000 BTC  were kept away from the market; and part of them, at least, must have been bought by SR customers on the open market.  So Ross was obviously accumulating.  I would even guess that he had been holding almost all the bitcoins that he got.
...

That's important, DPR was in accumulation mode during 2013, and if now BOTH him and the US gov believe it's time to cash out, then they both expect much lower prices in the near future.
1540  Economy / Speculation / Re: Critical Levels - EW analysis on: November 19, 2014, 11:08:38 AM
Thanks again for posting. Do you think we will keep going down after that movement ?

No I think we will be very much range bound for some time. doldrums  Sad

Until the market will understand it can't build the sub-waves required for the bullish scenario, after that it will seek THE real bottom.
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