How can you think its okay to permanently ban a loyal user based on nothing but your own judgement?
Isn't it his site? Don't you think he should be able to ban whoever the hell he wants for whatever reason he wants? The internet is big, go find help or lose your money somewhere that wants your action. Don't be so ignorant. There are certain legislative laws that oppose the action of banning users without a valid reason that are in place specifically due to casinos banning players who win There are also laws making it illegal for him not to ban you if you do or say something that makes him think you have a gambling problem. But this is the internet, and he told you that you aren't welcome to play on his site, so move on. If you're really delusional enough to think you have some legal right to risk your money against his money then call a lawyer and good luck. |
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How can you think its okay to permanently ban a loyal user based on nothing but your own judgement?
Isn't it his site? Don't you think he should be able to ban whoever the hell he wants for whatever reason he wants? The internet is big, go find help or lose your money somewhere that wants your action. |
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Maybe stick to investing then and find someone else to run Betabit and salvage the mess you created. Pretending like your games are provably fair will only do more damage. |
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Thank you for your support. Regarding @TwitchySeal - my response to his forum post is as follows: Regarding the Author to this post: I cannot discuss other sites that you have mentioned in your post as I have not used them and am not associated with them in any way shape or form. However regarding: www.betabit.casino which is the site that I operate. I can assure you that the provably fair system is sound and fully automated & functioning correctly and not a single player has complained about this. Nobody at the back end has any control over ANY of the games outcomes. It is also highlighted on the site that not all of the games are provably fair. If there is indeed an issue with the particular game: video poker then I will indeed investigate further and if needed I will remove the game if there is an issue. However unless you have actually deposited and played on my site - Libel Is A Criminal Offense - ruining websites credibility online without checking in full and making comments as such is a suable offense in a court of law. Please refrain from labelling my website unless you have had a genuine bad experience please. Be respectful. You can follow the bitcoin talk forum for betabit.casino here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5365927.0Now can people please stop with the nonsense and behave like grown ups please. No,I don't need to send you my money in order to know whether or not your games are provably fair. And I don't need to send you money in order to tell other people about it. Anyone with a basic understanding of the provably fair concept can do all this for free by reading what you have on your own site: https://www.betabit.casino/pages/provably-fair"When you open the game page the server generates a secret and a seed and reveals its hash (using HMAC SHA256 algorithm). The server secret represents randomly shuffled card deck. " You're 'shuffling the deck' as soon as the user opens the page. You aren't using the client seed when determining the order of the cards, you're just claiming they're randomly shuffled. The player needs to trust that you aren't intentionally setting the order of the initial deck state to gain an unfair advantage. If it were provably fair, you'd be proving that they were randomly shuffled, but you're not. The same goes for your other games, I'm just using video poker as an example. Your site isn't provably fair. Don't get all pissy and shoot the messenger, your issue should be with whoever sold you the script and told you it was provably fair - because it's not. You're welcome for bringing this to your attention so that you can do what any honest casino owner would do and fix the problem while, in the meantime, making sure any potential or current players are informed of the issue. |
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I have not used them and am not associated with them in any way shape or form. Your flawed explanation of how your games are provably fair (even though they aren't) are word for word exact copies. So either they copied your (flawed) explanation, you copied theirs, or everyone copied it from the guy selling the $50 gambling scripts that you're all using. Look, here's your site:  Here are a couple others:   I can assure you that the provably fair system is sound and fully automated & functioning correctly and not a single player has complained about this.
No it's not. Look, in the first two sentence of the explanation you can see the issue:  The server is generating the shuffle. You could put the cards in whatever order you want and the player would never know. not a single player has complained about this.
This is a thread with many players complaining about sites doing exactly what you're doing. |
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The client seed isn't something that needs to be kept hidden from either party. As soon as you set it, the casino knows what it is. Getting the "secret" on your side known by the house can let them doing any manipulation, drawing any result they want in example if they detect you playing auto-bet will let them know the bets that will be placed There is no secret on your side. When you set your seed, they know what it is right away - they use it to determine the outcome. They have to set their seed first though, which is what prevents them from making any changes after you set yours. The only real secret there should be is the unhashed server seed - if the player were to know that then they would be able to figure out the exact outcome of every bet ahead of time. The casinos I listed are adding another secret, one that the player has no ability to influence or even confirm how it's created. |
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How about client seeds being leaked? a web html page need just some scripts to do so As OP said, when the "server secret seed" can be "manipulated" as much as wanted, that's don't give any real insurance there The client seed isn't something that needs to be kept hidden from either party. As soon as you set it, the casino knows what it is. What of creating an external open source tool to secure the randomization provided, even if it bet very well-known, casinos would be forced in some way to adopt it !
It can be provided from an external server so no need of adding module or extension from the client side
Sha-256 provides all the 'randomness' needed I think. I wrote before about some casinos OP mentioned, they are not provably fair and most of them are probably scam that are using exact same template. You can find many of them on my topic List of Casinos and Sportbooks to Avoid: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5283832.0Great thread. |
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There are rich guys who do it for fun since they have money to use for their own personal satisfaction but if your budget is tight and your money is intended for investment then you shouldn't do this for fun since you will not know if that project will give you a fortune that's why its good to stay with those NFT which have legitimate platform backing it since we can rely its success since it can convert to demand.
This is why many still buying Rollbot even if its too expensive simply because they can afford it and they are really into gambling even if they already enjoying the benefits of VIP. They consider this as their investment as well that can give them profit. If you don't have much money, then don't gambling that much its better if you invest it on some where else, Rollbit is a great way to have fun I just can't afford to invest on Rollbot for now. Talking about rollbots and all other nft projects is actually not fair because they have some benefits associated with them but on the other side there are simple jpeg images which will not give you any single return and still you are buying them and that's what most elite people are spending funds on and what's shocking is these artworks are being sold in very high prices.So it's the trend which is flowing them all. The fact that people are spending lots of money on them gives them value. |
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Then if they only create poor outcomes for you each time, you will quickly see it and notice that the true RTP of the game is way lower than the expected one.
It could be done in a way that was basically impossible to prove, and even if you did suspect something and were correct, I would expect you would be treated similar to the way the all too frequent 'I lost too much, it's rigged, you scam site!' player is treated. They could easily decide to make it impossible for half the Royal Flushes and half the four of a kinds to be dealt and that would change the house edge of their jacks or better game from ~1% to ~4.5% It would take hundreds of thousands of hands to have evidence of anything suspicious and millions to make a confident accusation.
Just added 28 more casinos to the list. |
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I recommend you if you want to hunt for challenges choose the game that was just released in the first week or when no one has hit the high multiplier
Based on my experience new games always provoke new users to play some kind of addiction effect
It's a daily challenge. First to beat the target multi wins $1,000 |
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I've been running into sites using similar methods to implement what appears to be a provably fair way to determine outcomes which could be manipulated by casino owners without detection. What makes them different from provably fair games that are actually provably fair is the use of a 'server secret' which is a predefined state of the game (order of cards, a number to be rolled, slot reel positions, etc.) which is then manipulated according to the hashed client + server seeds. The problem is, the 'server secret' is generated without any transparency - completely behind the scenes. Video Poker Example: - The order of the cards is determined behind the scenes, this is the 'server secret'. - The client/server seed is hashed and used to determine which card will be dealt first. (cutting the deck). The problem is, the possibility of a high paying hand is first determined during the initial shuffle. For example, if the A and K of each suit have more than 10 cards between them - there will be no possibility for a Royal flush to be dealt. An example of slots from CryptoSlots.com ( archive):  I think this is kind of a big deal and don't think Casinos should get away with promoting their games as provably fair when they aren't, it's bad for both players and casinos that are actually offering provably fair games. The problem is, the average player just doesn't have a firm grasp of the provably fair concept. They see 'seed' and 'hash' and just assume that that means it must be fair. Anyway, I'm going to dig through my post history and make a list of all the sites I've come across that are currently doing this. If anyone else comes across some that aren't on the list feel free to let me know and I'll update. Maybe this belongs in scam accusations, I don't know. I'm fine if it gets moved, but I'd prefer it stay here and the discussion revolves more around why certain methods that appear provably fair aren't. Cryptoslots.com/Slotland.eu ( forum thread - they disappeared from the forum after I brought this up) Slots: Sever Secret generates 9 outcomes, Server/Client hash determines which of the 9 outcomes is used. Video Poker: Server Secret determines the order of the cards. Server/Client hash determines where to cut the deck. Source ( archive) Cryptsino.io ( forum thread) Video Poker: Server Secret determines the order of the cards. Server/Client hash determines where to cut the deck. Dice/3D dice: Server Secret determines "initial roll", Server Client Seed hash determines a number which is added to the server secret. Slots: Server Secret determines initial state of reels, Server/Client Seed hash adjusts initial state. source ( archive) Coins777.com ( forum thread - owners response) Video Poker: Server Secret determines the order of the cards. Server/Client hash determines where to cut the deck. Dice/3D dice: Server Secret determines "initial roll", Server Client Seed hash determines a number which is added to the server secret. Slots: Server Secret determines initial state of reels, Server/Client Seed hash adjusts initial state. source ( archive) Betabit.casino ( forum thread) Video Poker: Server Secret determines the order of the cards. Server/Client hash determines where to cut the deck. Don't see an explanation on their site, you have to verify a bet to figure out how it works. I haven't checked the following casinos myself, but they all have the same verbatim terms that include "When you open the game page the server generates a secret and a seed and Reveals its hash" (Identicle to 3 of the casinos already on the list) . I believe they all use the same script, which is for sale here. (Thank you to Bitinity for posting this in another thread)Satoshicasino.io
bet42bet.com
zilflip.com
safemars.casino
bigplay.casino
cryptodicecasino.com
e-casino-games.com
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Such a lovely community we have here at Bitcoin talk
I took a look at you're video poker, I don't think it's actually provably fair. Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you generating the order of the cards behind the scenes, using the provably fair aspect to determine which card is dealt first (cut the deck)? And no, I'm not accusing you of cheating or trying to cheat or anything like that so no need to respond all defensive. Same goes for your slots, black jack, and any other game that relies on a 'server secret' (you could pick whatever you wanted) to determine the initial state of the reels/cards. Could you please share who sold you this script. I'm seeing it more and more and wish they would either make it provably fair or quit trying to make it seem like it is. |
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Such a lovely community we have here at Bitcoin talk
I took a look at you're video poker, I don't think it's actually provably fair. Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you generating the order of the cards behind the scenes, using the provably fair aspect to determine which card is dealt first (cut the deck)? And no, I'm not accusing you of cheating or trying to cheat or anything like that so no need to respond all defensive. |
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I found some website that look like Stake clones so I am not sure if this is someone pretending to be Stake and trying to scam people or not. Can someone who is official representative or moderator from Stake say something more about this? Is this fake or real? This is the list of websites I found: https://stake.bz/
https://staketr.com/
https://staketr2.com/
https://staketr3.com/
https://staketr4.com/
https://stake.games/
https://stake.bet/ Those are mirrors, I think they all belong to stake https://stakemirror.com/ |
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Kraken's rising a whole bunch of different ways. Here's 4 of them including the people promotion Kraken at the end.
Some of your posts realllly seem like you're a shill just trying to drive clicks. What's in it for you? Yeah. I kinda feel sorry for you. Dem's good thing flips on them and bites them in the arse for ten years. You took the jab and probably won't even live to see it as it happens... dead from AIDs by Christmas, maybe. Nobody really knows when they will die. I have Jesus as my Savior. So I will live through the coming ages. Come and join us Christians, and live forever.  Do you receive payment of any kind for posting links here? Just got my flu shot also, btw. That's 3 shots in like 8 months. |
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Kraken's rising a whole bunch of different ways. Here's 4 of them including the people promotion Kraken at the end.
Some of your posts realllly seem like you're a shill just trying to drive clicks. What's in it for you? |
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Aside from using the mirror sites mentioned by zuzie you can alternatively use incognito mode.
What is that exactly? You want to say using a VPN or Tor, that's what you mean? if you're using Chrome, right click, open incognitio. it won't save your browser history or any cookies while you use it. other browsers call it something like privacy mode. it was originally developed for browsing porn. |
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Its an easy to use site if you just close your eyes and reset all your negative thoughts about other scam sites that cloud your judgement on this one.
Did you close your eyes and pretend that we're all a bunch of noobs that aren't concerned with being scammed and can't wait to send you our money. Or do you think that's real life. |
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