Thanks.  But can anyone here confirm because it went to the last part of the transaction where it ask me if i want to send 0.0001 btc to that address and then ask to accept/reject... that should confirm my old coins from my broken nano ledger s... is in fact in my new nano ledger s that i restored with my seed then? 


The thing is if i send some btc to electrum... that electrum is an older version and i havent used it in a while.  I opened it recently and it doesn't have no issue but i don't keep any coins there anymore.  Someone said there is risk if i dont update electrum but i honestly dont even want to open it anymore.  But i thought i needed a place to send tiny amount of btc... to confirm okay my new nano ledger s has the old coins from my old nano ledger s.

Hey there.  Well i never updated electrum in a while because i haven't used it in over a year... also have no btc kept there anymore.  The only reason i ask this is because im considering sending some btc from my new nano ledger s to the electrum because i restored my nano ledger s seed but not sure if its linked to my old coins in my old nano ledger s.  Can you look at my last posts in hardware thread on this?


Yes i use windows ten.  Backup of my electrum wallet?  I dont have any btc there at all and haven't for over a year and don't plan to keep any btc in it.  If you mean backup of the electrum seed... i have that as i wrote that down years ago.


But its still risky opening the electrum version i have now?  So if i do a transaction with it whether it works or not, there is still potential risk even opening the program up?  Or only if you see the update electrum message?  Again, I haven't opened electrum in a long time and don't plan to use it anymore... its just right now i was thinking about sending tiny amount of btc to it from nano ledger s because i restored my nano ledger seed but not sure if my old coins from the old nano ledger s is there.

Hi.  I used electrum a while back when i first had btc.  I kept btc in electrum for a while until a few years ago, i got a nano ledger s and transferred all my btc from electrum to the nano ledger s.  Main reason was because i read about hardware wallets years ago and how its better and how electrum had all the fake wallets/updates which did not make me feel good about electrum.



Since then, I have used electrum once or twice only and it was to send/receive a small amount of btc there and then send it to my nano ledger s or a site etc.



I just logged into my electrum and I see the version i have is 3.3.4.  Again i have not downloaded updated versions because i haven't done a transaction there or kept btc there in over a year.  



What I like to know is if i want to make a few frequent transactions with electrum, such as sending btc to electrum and vice versa, is it fine to just use this version or not?  I remember last time i downloaded to this version, someone said make sure i have at least this version i have.  So i downloaded it.  Or its better to upgrade to the latest version even if I don't plan to use it?  I didn't feel like good idea because with all the fake wallets and messages out there with electrum.  I don't even like clicking the electrum icon and opening it thinking i get an update message etc.



The thing is now... I wanted to send a tiny amount of btc to my electrum account because my old nano ledger s stopped working... then i got a new nano ledger s... and then i put in the nano ledger s seed recovery and i believe my coins are restored to my new nano ledger s that i got.  But im not for sure the coins i have in ledger live is connected to my current nano ledger s.  So i was thinking about sending tiny amount of btc from my new nano ledger s  to an old electrum address to see if it works.  Then if it does, i would then send that tiny amount of btc from electrum back to my nano ledger s.  But my concern would be... if i try to send btc from electrum back to nano ledger s, is there a chance i see a message to download the newest electrum and it could be malware?  So that is why i havent used electrum in a while because concern of popup and asking about downloading an update.



But would i need to send btc from my nano ledger s to my electrum to confirm my coins are indeed in my new nano ledger s though if when i tried to send earlier, it seem to show the small amount of btc and the electrum address and ask if i like to accept/decline the transaction?  Because if i had no btc in my current nano ledger s, it wouldn't even allow me to attempt to send 0.0001 btc to an old electrum address and ask for me to accept/reject right?



This is my issue i posted on the hardware wallet forum.  Could you read the last few posts especially since I believe my coins are in my new nano ledger s?  There is no point of sending tiny amount of btc anyway to electrum to confirm i have these coins because it got to the last step of accept/reject right?  Or just send the tiny amount of btc anyway to electrum to test it out?


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5278508.20

Hey all.  So I decided to open electrum up and try to attempt to send a tiny amount of btc from my nano ledger s to my electrum.



When I did this, i clicked on menu side on ledger live and clicked send.  Then i clicked on bitcoin 1 segwit which has my btc.  Then i copied an old electrum address to send to and clicked next.  For amount, i put in like 0.0001 btc of the possible x btc i have... and for the sending fees... default seems high... like fees is almost a dollar now?  Well i changed it to around 0.00001 btc or around ten cents.



Then clicked next and it went to summary.  Then it showed around 0.0001 btc to send and sending fees were around 0.00001 btc and I click next. 



Then it went to the last step... device.  Then it ask me to check my nano ledger s and on the nano ledger s screen, it ask me to confirm... do i want to send around 0.0001 btc to the address.... they actually broke down the address into three parts to read it... previously i remember it was just one part where it goes from left to right and you need to read it really fast.



Then i right clicked on my ledger a few times and i could click on accept... or reject.  I then decided to reject it.



Now because my nano ledger s screen got to the last step with it showing do i want to confirm sending 0.0001 btc to a certain old electrum wallet and it gave me option to accept or reject... that confirms that my new nano ledger s has the correct seed put in from yesterday right?  That the btc segwit and bch accounts shown in my ledger live are in fact connected to this new nano ledger s?  Because if it wasn't... my nano ledger s would never show all that information on the screen to either accept/reject the transaction right?



Like had i had 0 btc in my new nano ledger s... it wouldn't been possible for it to confirm you want to send 0.0001 btc if it had 0 btc right?



Should I just do this again and accept and do that transaction and send that 0.0001 btc to an old electrum address to confirm or is that completely unnecessary now based on this information?


Thanks.

So right now, I can do one of two things right?


Either



Delete all my ledger live accounts, then add account for btc and bch and then see if it shows up correctly?  My concern is when i do this for btc... will i check mark that native segwit thing where i have to uncheck that and check which i assume is bitcoin segwit 1?  Then add bch account as well which I assume isnt going to be some weird confusing since there isn't like multiple things like native segwit and segwit?



Or


Try to send a tiny amount of btc from nano ledger s now to my old electrum address?  And if it goes through... then its good?  Then if it confirms, i should delete the bc1 account but should i also delete the btc, bch and btg accounts as well and add each of them again?   Or there would be no point?



Would my nano ledger s be able to attempt to send btc if i have no btc in the wallet?  Example if my nano ledger s has no btc... but when i go to send and click on btc... which show the amount of btc it has originally... then i copy/paste to electrum, then click send, would it show in my nano ledger s screen... you like to send 0.000x amount of btc to this address... is this address correct?  Would it even reach this part if i have no btc in my wallet?  I assume not right since if i had no btc... it wouldn't even get to the confirmation on my nano ledger s screen?



Again right now, i want to confirm the btc and bch accounts that always has been show in my ledger live... is in fact connected to my new nano ledger s where i did the seed recovery yesterday.




Because i feel like trying to send the btc first to electrum or attempt to do it... would confirm it better?  Then if it does, then i have zero concerns if deleting my accounts and restoring it.  Does that make sense?  Like if i just delete all accounts now and add them now, what if it doesn't show up the balances?  I would rather have the balances still showing there if you know what i mean even if i dont have the coins... does that make sense?



I like to finish this soon as this has been bothering me since yesterday.  I been basically on this since yesterday all day and till night. 


Can you guys confirm what I want to do here is the correct thing to confirm the coins in the btc and bch wallets in my ledger live are in fact connected to my new nano ledger s? 


Thank you.

Yes that is what im concerned about in your first sentence.  What shows up in my ledger live is not a reflection of the device it is attached to.  So how do i know for sure it is?  Is the only way to just send a tiny amount of btc from it to an old electrum address...  to see if it works?


Okay you say ledger live shows you the coins were in your old nano ledger s.  So that isn't the same as the specific btc or bch address?  I assume yes since your next statement means that?


Well here is the thing i mentioned earlier.  When i got the old nano ledger s years ago, the first thing i did was create a seed... then intentionally put wrong pin three times to reset it.  Then i did it a second time... create a new seed... then put wrong pin three times and reset it.  Then the third time, i created a new seed... then sent my btc from my electrum to the nano ledger s... and that has how it been ever since.  But i never ever confirmed the seed years ago because I didn't know there was a way to.  Actually around that time... I don't think there was that app which let you type in your seed to confirm the seed was correct.  But I did make sure to write the seed down twice and was very careful with it.  I then typed in the seed when doing the recovery and it worked.  Now im close to positive that this is the seed with the coins i have in my old nano ledger s. 
The thing is the first two seeds i created and reset when i first got my nano ledger s, I also wrote the seed for those first two times i created a seed as well... i didn't write it twice thought but only once on a paper but was careful but not as careful as the third seed i wrote which im positive is correct... which is correct because yesteday, it showed your device is ready.


Now there is obviously a very very tiny percent chance the first two seeds i wrote down... could possibly be my old nano ledger s account with my coins but the chances is almost nothing.  So that is why i ask... how do i confirm the seed which i put in yesterday for recovery is indeed the seed for my coins and not one of the other two seeds?  Again, im close to positive the seed i put down yesterday that worked is it.



So if i were to wipe my ledger live and add accounts again, then it would confirm the seed i put in yesterday is indeed my old nano ledger s right?  But when i add account, is it going to check mark that bc1 again?  Im guessing it would show bitcoin segwit 1 instead since i don't have that same name listed in my accounts?



But can i send btc or attempt to send a very tiny amount of btc now to electrum or attempt to send it.. to see if it works?  Because if i send say 0.0001 btc to an old electrum address... then if it confirms... then its fine right?  But if i had 0 btc in my new nano ledger s now... would it even allow me to attempt to send it?

jerry0, how about you really start reading what others are writing to you?  Don't know what's going on in your head, but this problem of yours is something most would solve in 10 minutes - especially after you've been given very clear instructions.
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Hi.  Well the big confusing thing here was after i installed the btc and bch apps, then click on add accounts, i saw that native segwit thing word as an add account which i never seen before.  Like if someone said okay just put in your seed, then install the apps into your new nano ledger s... and you don't need to add accounts since your ledger live is there... then well that would be very simple.

Yea i am close to positive i never used a bc1 address ever.  But why would it even have that autochecked for me then when i click add account?


So when you did the passphrase restore yesterday, you had to install btc app on your nano ledger s.  I assume you have other coins as well so you added those apps as well right?  Or you only have btc, bch in your nano ledger s?  I only installed btc and bch app in my nano ledger yesterday using ledger live and clicking install. 


But did you click add accounts with btc and any other accounts yesterday?  Or all you did was just install the apps and thats it since you had ledger live already?


In my old nano ledger s, the apps i installed was btc, bch and bitcoin gold... but i had no bitcoin gold.. just installed the app anyways.


Yesterday i just installed btc and bch apps but then when i click add account for btc... that is when the confusion started with the bc1.


You say there is no need to add accounts if im just restoring the device and had already ledger live set up.  Then why would the instructions say do this?  Are they assuming people who are restoring their passphrase with nano ledger s... they removed ledger live from their computer or something?  Because assuming someone wanted to restore their seed with their nano ledger s... it's it more common that they still have their ledger live on their computer?

I am pretty sure i never used a btc address with an address that started with ("bc1" addresses)


I am pretty certain any btc address i sent to or receive started with "3-type" addresses.  So that makes sense that the native segwit shows 0 btc then right?


HCP, you use segwit or legacy with your nano ledger s?  Also i recalled you also had btc in electrum before you sent it all to nano ledger s a while back right?


HCP, well it auto check boxed the native segwit option... but i had the option to actually check both... or the other one. 


The thing I still don't get is why do we need to add accounts if we still have ledger live in the computer etc.


But joniboini, this does sound like my coins are in the wallet right?  Is the two methods i listed... the ways to check if i have the coins in my new nano ledger s?  By sending a tiny amount of btc from my nano ledger s and see if it goes through sending to an old electrum address of mine>  Or attempt to send tiny amount of btc from new nano ledger s to electrum where if i try to send the amount, it would show the address confirmation of yes i like to send?  But does it even show that message if you have no btc in your wallet though?  I assume not because it wouldn't even hit that are you sure you want to send the tiny amount of btc to it if you dont even have that tiny amount of btc to send?

One other thing to add.  When I used electrum and had my btc there... I am pretty sure it was a legacy account in electrum... though not sure.  I then sent the btc to nano ledger s and then recalled i created a segwit address for nano ledger s, this was years ago though.

Hey hcp thanks for the reply.  I just recalled back when i used nano ledger years ago, it asked me to create either legacy or segwit.  Im pretty close to positive years ago i chosed segwit because you or someone else mentioned segwit because cheaper in fees to send.  But it should be segwit i thought since well.. look at the name of the bitcoin segwit 1 as the name i put right?


What confuses me is after i type in the seed... then install both btc and bch apps in my nano ledger s... why would i need to click on add account for each if they accounts are already there in ledger live since i didn't touch it?  Or that is specifically for my old broken nano ledger s?   


Well after i typed in add account, it only gave me those two options... to either check both or check just one of them.  I just didn't touch anything and left it as is and just had it first one checked... native segwit 1... but when i checked my accounts after that, i saw that native segwit 1 and showing 0 btc.  I had thought it would match the same btc i have in bitcoin segwit 1.  Then again i thought... well native segwit and segwit can't be the same.  And it wouldn't make sense having the btc amount shown the same amount in both accounts right?  So maybe i should have unchecked the native segwit 1 and checked the second option which was called bitcoin segwit 2?  It made sense why it would be 2 since i already have the original bitcoin segwit 1 name already right?  I remembered when I clicked add, it showed like a quick pop up of like I used the same account name already.  But if i clicked on bitcoin segwit 2, how many btc would be shown there for the account?  I assume zero?  Or would it be same as bitcoin segwit 1?


The thing that confuses me here is the instructions tell you after you put in seed, to install the apps on your nano ledger and add accounts.  Are they assuming ppl who are restoring their nano ledger s deleted their entire ledger live or something? 


Also is the coins showing for my bch and bitcoin segwit 1, those refer to the coins that are in those addresses right and not my old broken nano ledger s?  If that is the case, why would i need to add accounts if I didnt touch the ledger live?


Also because it shows the amount of bch and btc in those wallets ever since my old nano ledger s broke, that means those coins are still in my account right?  I never wrote my seed anywhere else besides the paper.  Then again when you restore you seed in a new device, arent those coins still in the same btc and bch addresses and not moved to a different address?


You mentioned to me i could delete all my accounts now and re add them.  But is that one hundred percent safe?  I thought... maybe try to send a tiny amount of btc to an electrum address?  Or attempt to send it to an old electrum address?  Because if my wallet has no btc, then it wouldn't even show the btc address i could send to and confirm on my nano ledger s?  Or it still does... but when you click send, it will not work because i have no btc in it?


Would love if anyone else have feedback on this as well. 

Right now in my accounts, this is what it shows



Bitcoin 1 (Native segwit)            bitcoin gold (segwit)            bitcoin cash 1         bitcoin 1 (segwit)
  

0 btc                                         0 btc                                 x btc cash               x bitcoin





Previously before I added the bitcoin account it only showed bitcoin gold, cash and bitcoin 1 and the amounts for those 3 accounts which was correct.



But when i installed bitcoin app on my new nano ledger s... then Add account, now it shows 0 btc for bitcoin 1 (native segwit)  Like whenever i opened my ledger live to check my accounts even when my old nano ledger s stopped working, it showed the correct amount.



Is the mistake here because i clicked on native segwit as oppose to checking bitcoin 2 segwit instead?


Is that why it doesn't show the exact amount of btc i have?  Then again, i did not delete my ledger live accounts before this.  


I know when you restore ledger live or its your first time using ledger live, you need to install apps on your nano ledger s and add accounts.  But i still need to add accounts even I never deleted my ledger live?


Someone who has restored their nano ledger s while still having their ledger live... can tell me whats wrong here?  




Is this correct or not?  Because how do i know the correct amount of btc and bch I have in bitcoin cash 1 and bitcoin 1 (segwit) which is the correct amount i have in my old nano ledger s... is the exact seed with my new nano ledger s now?

When i went to install bitcoin and bitcoin cash app.  Then i went to add accounts, it shows




When i add account for bitcoin...


It shows



Check mark for crypto asset - check mark for device - Accounts -




                                            Select all (2)

Bitcoin 1 (native segwit)   with a check mark

Bitcoin  2 (segwit)           no check mark




Accounts already in portfolio (1)


Bitcoin 1  (segwit)       x amount of btc     


The words above are like blurred in a way where you can't click on it but you can clearly see it





So do i change the name of the


Bitcoin 1 (native segwit)?



Do i just leave it as is and just lick on Add account?


Seems like the only changes i can make here is check either of the boxes or both... and change the name of Bitcoin 1 (native segwit).



I just clicked add acount.


Now there is a new account that show Bitcoin 1 (native segwit) but it shows 0 btc?


Did i make a mistake here?

Okay the seed thing... like HCP said.. I typed that seed word incorrectly.  The seed does work as it shows your device is in use.


But when i do this, how do i make sure the seed i entered was the correct seed of my old nano ledger s?  The seed that i had... i am pretty close to positive that is the correct seed for it.  I do have two more set of seeds that i wrote down a while back when i got the old nano ledger s years ago, it was me creating a seed, wiping it, creating a seed and then wiping it.  Then the third time was when i wrote down the seed as that is my seed for my old nano ledger s.



After i typed the seed in the new nano ledger s, it showed device is in use.  Then when i went to accounts, it shows the correct amount of btc and bch i have but how do i know its directly linked to my current new nano ledger s?  Because when i click on manager, bitcoin and bitcoin cash was not installed.  I just installed both of these apps right now.  But i still need to click add account for both of these?  I have three wallets installed on ledger live, bitcoin, bitcoin cash and bitcoin gold... but i have no bitcoin gold.  In my old nano ledger s, i recalled adding bitcoin, bch and bitcoin gold wallets... but i only had btc and bch.


So right now i need to add account for both bitcoin and bitcoin cash in the manager - app catalog?


Because what i see in accounts right now, it still shows the same amount of btc and bch as it was before i did the restore recovery phrase.


But how do i know for sure what is showing in my accounts is linked with my nano ledger s right now?  Do i need to click add account for both btc and bitcoin cash in the app catalog page?  So if i do this, then my accounts page will show... what?


It already shows bitcoin gold - 0   bitcoin - x amount   bitcoin cash - x amount



Do i need to click add account?  And if so, will it look the same as above or would it add an additional two accounts and basically show the same amount of btc and bch assuming my old seed was the old nano ledger s seed?

Okay I will do that from now on. 


Has anyone here had this issue?  I am so freaked out right now.  But why is it that word doesn't appear?  Again this word is somewhere in the middle of my seed as i type in the first two letters, it shows a few word choices to choose from but that word doesn't show up.  All the words before that, had no issue at all. 


This doesn't make sense because if someone was trying to guess their seed or brute force or whatever, shouldn't there be an option to put any of that whole word list in like the tenth word of the seed?  What I did notice was for example after you type in the first letter, the second letter... its not like they give you the entire alphabet, they give you much less letters to choose from.  Example if your first letter of your seed starts with the letter T, well you can't select say W as the second letter at all.  Did the previous update allowed you to even type in words that are not words?  Example imagine you typing in a seed and put one of your words as tvonoimm which is not a word even.  Seems like with this, they only give you the second letter choices where it actually makes up a real word in the bip list?

Okay but you say the word does show up for you with those options.  But that word doesn't show up for me.  But how would this be possible though since that word is an actual word on the bip list?

Anyone here had this issue?  Why does after i type in my second letter, it always automatically gives me a list of words to choose from?  But it doesn't show the word for it?  But other words before this, it showed it correctly?  That word is in the bip list that HCP posted so I not wrote the wrong word.

I tried to type my tenth word as my first word so i don't need to type all the words before that.  But same thing.  Once i type in the second letter, it automatically gives me recommended words and i right click it and that word doesn't show up.  But that word is in the bips page with all those words.


No one here has had this issue?  There doesn't to be a way to not allow that recommended word and just manually type each word out.

It seemed to only select words at that point.  Is there a way to keep typing in letters?  Everytime i type like two letters, it would give me recommended words... then i would right click it until i see the word and then click on it.  Sometimes when i type in two letters, only that word appears.


The thing is this word is like one of the tenth word in my seed.  So i need to enter all my seed words again to get there?  Or can i try to type my tenth word seed on the first word just for it to appear?


Or do you recommend me to type all the words again and then once i get there, find a way to type the entire word?

HCP... yes that word that i tried to write down is in that list of words.  But when i type the first two letters of that word, it automatically gives me suggestions of the word and when i right click it... it doesn't get to that word.