I'm trying not to laugh at your stupidity... BFL ain't selling this... Next you'll be saying TigerDirect is a shill company for selling BFL products....... Really? For a genius you can't read to fucking well... Here let me copy and paste from BFL's website for you so it's a little easier. Purchase Terms: NimbusMiner contracts are served by nimbusminer.com. Butterfly Labs (BF Labs Inc.) acts as the hardware supplier and the retail sales agent for this mining contract product. Support and service is provided by nimbusminer.com. NimbusMiner hardware is provided from either off the shelf 65nm products or from NimbusMiner's own 28nm hardware as it comes into service from it's own pre-ordered purchases of Monarch chip production. BF Labs is absolutely selling this and they spell it out in plain old English so even super intelligent people like yourself can understand it. ROFL, You highlighted it yourself: RETAIL AGENT. BFL is doing for Nimbus what Tigerdirect is doing for BFL, acting as a go-between. BFL didn't set the price, they are just advertising it, yet you and all the other fools are all like "BFL is so stupid for setting this price at 4x what the monarch pricing per GH is". Contine to play your little word games, you trolls love to twist things that you don't understand. I'm still laughing at your stupidity! For someone with a self claimed IQ of 138 (IIRC), you sure have a poor grasp of comprehending written English. Your posts and general contributions to this forum lead me to believe you're closer in intelligence level to say a retarded donkey than a normal human being let alone genius. |
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I'm trying not to laugh at your stupidity... BFL ain't selling this... Next you'll be saying TigerDirect is a shill company for selling BFL products....... Really? For a genius you can't read to fucking well... Here let me copy and paste from BFL's website for you so it's a little easier. Purchase Terms: NimbusMiner contracts are served by nimbusminer.com. Butterfly Labs (BF Labs Inc.) acts as the hardware supplier and the retail sales agent for this mining contract product. Support and service is provided by nimbusminer.com. NimbusMiner hardware is provided from either off the shelf 65nm products or from NimbusMiner's own 28nm hardware as it comes into service from it's own pre-ordered purchases of Monarch chip production. BF Labs is absolutely selling this and they spell it out in plain old English so even super intelligent people like yourself can understand it. |
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So is this the company that put in the million dollar order a couple months back?
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Thing is, if TD does start selling BFL products, they would have to take the refund/return policy off of them and just only allow for warranty repairs. Imagine this, a customer buys 100 monarchs and returns it after 29 days, then they will have mined at 600TH/s for 29 days worth of BTC FOR FREE! Then, after they return it, they just buy 100 again and rinse and repeat.
Edit: Lol, I just checked out the mining profit estimator, 600TH/s breaks even after 2 days and then makes 3 million in one month LOL.
You just gonna bring home 100 monarchs and plug them in down in mom's basement?? You just gonna walk back into the same store and they will graciously allow you to re-order it up again? You don't think they will charge a restocking fee? You don't think what you described is fraud and that TD will just allow it to go happen even once let alone rinse and repeat... Ya sure great plan bro, where can I sign up? Upon further reflection it would actually be cheaper for TD to just give you the 100 Monarchs for free. This way they don't have to handle all the paper work for debits and credits and logistics of physical product every 29 days (which actually has a cost to TD associated to it believe it or not). I strongly suggest you head to your local TD and demand 100 monarchs for free and please be so kind as to let us know how you make out as I would also like 100 free monarchs ASAP... |
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I don't think 'sponsor' is the correct term. They are resellers of BFL products. If BFL can't deliver to TigerDirect than the store will only show 'out of stock' ... big deal. My guess tigerdirect gets their devices slightly less delayed than normal bfl customers. Either way the only outcome will be many people ripped off (tiger direct and its customers) and a shitload of return/refunds. Ripped off? How? TigerDirect will make an order for BFL products. When they arrive it gets put into the store. If they don't ever arrive, they never make it to the store to sell in the first place. And if there are returns from customers, TigerDirect will just return the item to BFL. Do you honestly think TigerDirect takes the hit for all the products returned? really? One does not simply return an item to BFL. no, YOU don't simply return an item to BFL. Ok so you are telling me tigerdirect is going to order a bunch of monarchs and should they not be able to sell them, get a refund? BFL's business model does not allow for this. Tigerdirect will end up with a bunch of useless paperweights like everyone else while supporting a company that has scammed like half the bitcoin community. Except Tiger Directs Lawyers will rip BFL a new asshole and BFL will be begging for them to stop LOL!!! |
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Would be funny if someone threw together a bunch of examples from this forum of how the COO of BFL often interacts with their customers in a public forum and send them to Tiger Direct. I am wondering if he will call all Tiger Direct customers monumental assholes soon, nah probably not, even Inaba isn't that fucking stupid...!!
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Last post of blackarrow: 9 December 2013
Last post of blackarrow matt: 11 January 2014
Silence is not a good operating strategy, IMHO.
If you bothered to read this thread you would already know the BA forums are at http://ecointalk.net/ not here. Secondly, there is no point posting updates unless something has actually changed, it's not like a newspaper where you have daily space to fill.True enough, however if left to their own speculation for too long, this board seems to go full retard FAST... |
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My first meme ever.
If you really wanted to get your money back, surely you have better things to do than this? It doesn't help your situation in any way, just gives others - who my not be HF customers - an opportunity to hijack your thread. If I was part of HF's management, I'd be watching this thread in total disbelief. If I was part of HF's management, in no fuckin' way would this thread get to the point to where it is now. All concerns would have been met head-on, including who the FAB is. NDA my ass! The FAB would have an NDA to not disclose who their customer is, but as far as HF stating that they can't disclose who the FAB is due to an NDA is bullshit. Hell, there was no NDA when they disclosed which outfit was supplying those common power supplies, and HF partnered up with them to do such. Come to think of it, I just partnered up with Ace Hardware to supply me all the cutting blades for my saws for my barn wood business. I should have had them sign an NDA to not disclose to any of my rivals how many blades I purchase monthly, otherwise they would get a bearing as to how much wood this woodchuck chucks. A friend of a friend of a friend of mine owns ACE Hardware and he tells me you didn't buy shit from them... are you even in the barn wood business at all?? Oh shit I wasn't supposed to say any of this as I'm under and NDA as, oh well fuck me! Now quit trying to drum up business for your vapour wood business mate!  |
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Yes its another expense most wouldn't choose to do, but we feel keeping production of these miners local, rather than outsourcing everything to china like most, will pay off in the end. Everything, less our lian li cases and the chip is now produced in America, by Americans.
AMT
WTF??? It was not supposed to be the chips from Bitmine (Switzerland)  Again we have confusing misleading info. I assume English is not your native language so you're probably interpreting the sentence incorrectly. What AMT is saying there is that the chips and the cases are NOT made in USA but all other components for the completed rig are made in the USA. You are right about the language, but that's the importance of a comma "Everything, less our lian li cases and the chip, is now produced in America, by Americans." Better now? Thanks in advance! Ya grammatically it was not correct in AMT's original post. Your version is technically the correct way to format that sentence. Good or bad North American's have seemed to place less and less emphasis on punctuation and spelling in the last 20 years (myself included). I personally make and read so many mistakes IRL and in various forums everyday that it just washes off unless the mistakes totally screw up the meaning or my understanding of the text. I can see how it would make things a little more difficult for someone who doesn't speak English natively though! |
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Yes its another expense most wouldn't choose to do, but we feel keeping production of these miners local, rather than outsourcing everything to china like most, will pay off in the end. Everything, less our lian li cases and the chip is now produced in America, by Americans.
AMT
WTF??? It was not supposed to be the chips from Bitmine (Switzerland) Again we have confusing misleading info. I assume English is not your native language so you're probably interpreting the sentence incorrectly. What AMT is saying there is that the chips and the cases are NOT made in USA but all other components for the completed rig are made in the USA. |
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congrats! start her wallet now... lol
still in hospital. Soon  BTC RESP hmmm what an interesting idea. Think I will take a couple BTC for each of my kids and stick em in cold storage till they're ready for University. |
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Thanks but seriously no one cares, your device is about $50 too expensive and really no one is going to buy it
I think you're giving the current target market a little to much credit... |
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My little bitcoin has arrived. Cara Michelle Biomech came into the world at 13:13 today, 7lbs 8 oz. We are still at the hospital, but mama and baby are doing fine.
Congratulations man, enjoy! |
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LOL. Whatever dude. Enjoy your 0.5J/GH 1.2 TH miner shipping first week of January.
Karma can be a bitch.
what a POS Clennell gave as good as he got, almost anyone that disagreed with him was a troll and Clennel appeared to be talking down to them. 1.2THs = 1200GHs The spec-sheet says... (20GHs @ 0.35W/GH = 7W) = 1 Chip 1200GHs/20GHs = 60 Chips 60 * 7W = 420W Respectively... On the top-end... (40Ghs @ 1.0W/GH = 40W) = 1 Chip 1200GHs/40GHs = 30 Chips 30 * 40W = 1200W For AMT to state power consumption as 300W-.. is a lie.
With the above two stated setups... The lower one would operate at less than 300W, but not 300W while at 1.2THs speeds. (20Ghs @ 0.35W/GH = 7W) = 1 Chip 600GHs/20GHs = 30 Chips 30 * 7W = 210W This same 30 chips can do 1.2THs, but not at 600W. (40 chips possibly, between the two numbers.) 300W/7W = ~44 chips (low) which would be 44*20Ghs=880GHs on the low 300W 600W/13.6W = ~44 chips (below nominal) which would be 44*28GHs=1232GHs (1.2THs) on below nominal About 600W Again, I assume this LIMIT is due to the PSU ability, and heat-dissipation ability. Not a limit of the chip itself. (If 44 is what is used.) 11 boards of 4 chips = 44 8 boards of 6 chips = 48 6 boards of 8 chips = 48 Or mixed, one with 4 or 6 chips, to even it out. For the 48-chip odd arrangements. Thus, like I said... like every MFG does... They state perfect-world estimated ranges. 40MPG Hwy - 32MPG City, but it never gets that, ever... Thus 300-600W, and the "max speed" may only be 1.2THs. They never said what the low speed is. They didn't even confirm that the A1 chip is what is being used. (That is what we assume.) It isn't a LIE, if no-one has it yet. "Specs subject to change". Even then, it isn't a LIE, it is an error. If that is what they were told, then that is what they repeated, as specs. My video cards say 250W, but I have them running at 135W, and have pushed them over 290W. Yet the specs still say "consumes 250W". Which is not "at the wall". But I agree that the specs seem under-estimated, possibly. (The other components are all low-power, except the PSU and fans. They run off USB-power, so they have to be low wattage.) Another thing they forget to think about, is European power is 240v, which is half the amps, and more efficient than American power at 120v. That will add 15-25% inefficiency to the PSU alone, even a platinum PSU, which is only rated at 90% efficient at 240V, with an 85% load. (Which, by the way, is a LIE, because PSU's never get that efficient.  ) One more month, or two... and we will see the results, in full technicolor detail. thanks for the explanation isawhim... nonetheless you will not convince that which does not want to be convinced. how does that adage go? you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. puppett and many others on this website are not thirsty. they are trolls plain and simple. they bring nothing useful to the table. they pimp there bias and speculation because they are attention whores, nothing more. How's the water now boys? Guess some of the senior naysayers might have had some actually normal insight into a situation most of us have already been through and watched a number of fucking times. Perhaps if the newb had come in this thread as a reasonable person and tried to discuss things instead of all guns blazing he would have met with similar response... As it was he got what he deserved and what a lot of us already knew, he got SFA, and I don't feel sorry for him one bit at this point. your're a fucking moron. late delivery and now you want a cookie for thinking your some sage? shut up douche bag you look like an idiot. That a boy, you're a champ, a real superstar interwebs keyboard warrior. How's that first week of Jan tracking number coming bro? lol, i guess you think you're a genius now. ok son. Now how does that old adage go? Oh yes you can lead a horse to water... guess you're still not thirsty eh? Guess the AMT kool aid aint cutting it! |
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LOL. Whatever dude. Enjoy your 0.5J/GH 1.2 TH miner shipping first week of January.
Karma can be a bitch.
what a POS Clennell gave as good as he got, almost anyone that disagreed with him was a troll and Clennel appeared to be talking down to them. 1.2THs = 1200GHs The spec-sheet says... (20GHs @ 0.35W/GH = 7W) = 1 Chip 1200GHs/20GHs = 60 Chips 60 * 7W = 420W Respectively... On the top-end... (40Ghs @ 1.0W/GH = 40W) = 1 Chip 1200GHs/40GHs = 30 Chips 30 * 40W = 1200W For AMT to state power consumption as 300W-.. is a lie.
With the above two stated setups... The lower one would operate at less than 300W, but not 300W while at 1.2THs speeds. (20Ghs @ 0.35W/GH = 7W) = 1 Chip 600GHs/20GHs = 30 Chips 30 * 7W = 210W This same 30 chips can do 1.2THs, but not at 600W. (40 chips possibly, between the two numbers.) 300W/7W = ~44 chips (low) which would be 44*20Ghs=880GHs on the low 300W 600W/13.6W = ~44 chips (below nominal) which would be 44*28GHs=1232GHs (1.2THs) on below nominal About 600W Again, I assume this LIMIT is due to the PSU ability, and heat-dissipation ability. Not a limit of the chip itself. (If 44 is what is used.) 11 boards of 4 chips = 44 8 boards of 6 chips = 48 6 boards of 8 chips = 48 Or mixed, one with 4 or 6 chips, to even it out. For the 48-chip odd arrangements. Thus, like I said... like every MFG does... They state perfect-world estimated ranges. 40MPG Hwy - 32MPG City, but it never gets that, ever... Thus 300-600W, and the "max speed" may only be 1.2THs. They never said what the low speed is. They didn't even confirm that the A1 chip is what is being used. (That is what we assume.) It isn't a LIE, if no-one has it yet. "Specs subject to change". Even then, it isn't a LIE, it is an error. If that is what they were told, then that is what they repeated, as specs. My video cards say 250W, but I have them running at 135W, and have pushed them over 290W. Yet the specs still say "consumes 250W". Which is not "at the wall". But I agree that the specs seem under-estimated, possibly. (The other components are all low-power, except the PSU and fans. They run off USB-power, so they have to be low wattage.) Another thing they forget to think about, is European power is 240v, which is half the amps, and more efficient than American power at 120v. That will add 15-25% inefficiency to the PSU alone, even a platinum PSU, which is only rated at 90% efficient at 240V, with an 85% load. (Which, by the way, is a LIE, because PSU's never get that efficient. ) One more month, or two... and we will see the results, in full technicolor detail. thanks for the explanation isawhim... nonetheless you will not convince that which does not want to be convinced. how does that adage go? you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. puppett and many others on this website are not thirsty. they are trolls plain and simple. they bring nothing useful to the table. they pimp there bias and speculation because they are attention whores, nothing more. How's the water now boys? Guess some of the senior naysayers might have had some actually normal insight into a situation most of us have already been through and watched a number of fucking times. Perhaps if the newb had come in this thread as a reasonable person and tried to discuss things instead of all guns blazing he would have met with similar response... As it was he got what he deserved and what a lot of us already knew, he got SFA, and I don't feel sorry for him one bit at this point. your're a fucking moron. late delivery and now you want a cookie for thinking your some sage? shut up douche bag you look like an idiot. That a boy, you're a champ, a real superstar interwebs keyboard warrior. How's that first week of Jan tracking number coming bro? |
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LOL. Whatever dude. Enjoy your 0.5J/GH 1.2 TH miner shipping first week of January.
Karma can be a bitch.
what a POS Clennell gave as good as he got, almost anyone that disagreed with him was a troll and Clennel appeared to be talking down to them. 1.2THs = 1200GHs The spec-sheet says... (20GHs @ 0.35W/GH = 7W) = 1 Chip 1200GHs/20GHs = 60 Chips 60 * 7W = 420W Respectively... On the top-end... (40Ghs @ 1.0W/GH = 40W) = 1 Chip 1200GHs/40GHs = 30 Chips 30 * 40W = 1200W For AMT to state power consumption as 300W-.. is a lie.
With the above two stated setups... The lower one would operate at less than 300W, but not 300W while at 1.2THs speeds. (20Ghs @ 0.35W/GH = 7W) = 1 Chip 600GHs/20GHs = 30 Chips 30 * 7W = 210W This same 30 chips can do 1.2THs, but not at 600W. (40 chips possibly, between the two numbers.) 300W/7W = ~44 chips (low) which would be 44*20Ghs=880GHs on the low 300W 600W/13.6W = ~44 chips (below nominal) which would be 44*28GHs=1232GHs (1.2THs) on below nominal About 600W Again, I assume this LIMIT is due to the PSU ability, and heat-dissipation ability. Not a limit of the chip itself. (If 44 is what is used.) 11 boards of 4 chips = 44 8 boards of 6 chips = 48 6 boards of 8 chips = 48 Or mixed, one with 4 or 6 chips, to even it out. For the 48-chip odd arrangements. Thus, like I said... like every MFG does... They state perfect-world estimated ranges. 40MPG Hwy - 32MPG City, but it never gets that, ever... Thus 300-600W, and the "max speed" may only be 1.2THs. They never said what the low speed is. They didn't even confirm that the A1 chip is what is being used. (That is what we assume.) It isn't a LIE, if no-one has it yet. "Specs subject to change". Even then, it isn't a LIE, it is an error. If that is what they were told, then that is what they repeated, as specs. My video cards say 250W, but I have them running at 135W, and have pushed them over 290W. Yet the specs still say "consumes 250W". Which is not "at the wall". But I agree that the specs seem under-estimated, possibly. (The other components are all low-power, except the PSU and fans. They run off USB-power, so they have to be low wattage.) Another thing they forget to think about, is European power is 240v, which is half the amps, and more efficient than American power at 120v. That will add 15-25% inefficiency to the PSU alone, even a platinum PSU, which is only rated at 90% efficient at 240V, with an 85% load. (Which, by the way, is a LIE, because PSU's never get that efficient. ) One more month, or two... and we will see the results, in full technicolor detail. thanks for the explanation isawhim... nonetheless you will not convince that which does not want to be convinced. how does that adage go? you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. puppett and many others on this website are not thirsty. they are trolls plain and simple. they bring nothing useful to the table. they pimp there bias and speculation because they are attention whores, nothing more. How's the water now boys? Guess some of the senior naysayers might have had some actually normal insight into a situation most of us have already been through and watched a number of fucking times. Perhaps if the newb had come in this thread as a reasonable person and tried to discuss things instead of all guns blazing he would have met with similar response... As it was he got what he deserved and what a lot of us already knew, he got SFA, and I don't feel sorry for him one bit at this point. |
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At some point when you see "hey, if they actually stick to everything they promise, i literally cannot lose money in 99.99% of situations and will make massive profit" you are supposed to realize you are being scammed and dealing with liars who will fuck you over
To be fair, a lot of people have been burned on this and it's been going on for over a year now
* BFL
* Avalon Chips
* Hashfast
* Other's i'm probably overlooking
Satoshi's oversight was chosing a PoW algorithm that could be effectively ASIC'd for several orders of magnitude increase in hash rate and power efficency which nessiciarily centralizes all power, profit and leverage into the hands of less than a few dozen human beings on the planet. If everything were to start from nothing the objectively far superior solution would be a GPU-targeted algo like scrypt which decouples the hardware manufacturer.
One man, one fucking person, one russian, now controls like 30%+ of the network (GHash.io/Cex.io) because he alone had an effective 65nm ASIC and HE ALONE had an essentially unlimited ability to make more money printing machines that only him and a dozen other people on the planet could compete with on terms of marginal cost/hash rate.
That's because people are willing to throw money at him blindly for his overprices miners/chips and even now when they know this they keep throwing money at him. Because people don't think, they just act. So just please stop buying bitfury stuff! The life of an investomer, all the risk and non of the rewards! Fortunately for the current manufacture's they have found a community full of folks who just love to be investomers and some of those investomers even run around saying how it's the only business model that works in this high tech space LMFAO!! This community is a wet dream for people looking to take advantage of other people, fucking sad if you ask me. |
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I have noticed a disturbing trend amongst some of the threads in this sub-forum trying to convince people that distributed mining is not worth it.
Be assured that mining is a rigorous activity. A miner needs to have their finger on the pulse of every aspect of Bitcoin right from speculation to hardware. This has always been the case for miners throughout the ages so you are in good company.
The Bitcoin model hinges on distributed mining and without it the security of the Bitcoin network is at risk. The success of Bitcoin rests solely in the hands of distributed miners.
The day that mining becomes centralized will be the day that it can be subverted by governments.
So I say to everyone reading this, keep mining regardless of your reason...we are the best hope of the Bitcoin networks survival.
So you're saying we should all mine at a loss and in turn make all of the manufactures disgustingly rich in the process? Sign me the fuck up please! Until the risk reward ratio for manufacture and customer changes significantly there is very little justification for the small miners to try and compete at this point. |
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Honestly I have no dog in this fight (in fact I am not even currently an ASIC BTC miner, I GPU mine scrypt ATM). I understand BKK did a tremendous amount of work for the community and a lot of people "like" him.
Can I ask honestly without wanting to offend BKK or his supporters why it is wrong for Jasinlee to question the authenticity of BKK's claims? Seems fair to want to be able to rule out any possibilities of shenanigans. I mean benefit of the doubt seems to be in short supply in the BTC world what with it's Deadwood mentality. I see this entire subforum full of internet detectives digging into every aspect of companies and peoples lives, yet this particular gentleman puts a post on the forums and folks questioning him are attacked.
I must be missing something.
Admittedly, if I was asked for my personal opinion I would say I believe BKK's story (that and $5 will get you a fancy coffee at Starbucks!). That is very easy for me to say having no skin in the game LDO but none the less I am not sure why some one who didn't agree with that opinion shouldn't be allowed to ask the question.
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I hope you guys got a lot of parts to make these things... you are probably going to sell a metric fuck ton of them lol!  |
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