Math is a language. It won't ever prove shit.
For as smart as you think you are in math and science your proving you don't know shit.
Keep going.
That's why I'm asking - I don't know why you believe what you do. You are smart enough to mash a keyboard... you should understand common sense. Math has never been proven wrong. That's how we landed on the moon. If you can find an example where math is wrong, you will never want again.  He doesn't need math, he has youtube videos which cannot be false if they are talking about flat earth. He doesn't even read the comments to see how idiotic they are. So youtube videos are no good however just up above you got your big proof from the comments section of a youtube video. Your logic is astounding. Bravo sir. I see you also point me to pictures for your proof. Guess you believe in Bigfoot and Nessy as well. Not sure if this or the Wonder Woman 9/11 connection is worse. Here are more impossible distances where object that shouldn't be seen due to curvature can be seen (if the last one was not up to your standards). These are from books. Not sure if your down with those or not. The Isle of Wight lighthouse in England is 180 feet high and can be seen up to 42 miles away, a distance at which modern astronomers say the light should fall 996 feet below line of sight. HOW? The Cape L’Agulhas lighthouse in South Africa is 33 feet high, 238 feet above sea level, and can be seen for over 50 miles. If the world was a globe, this light would fall 1,400 feet below an observer’s line of sight! HOW? The Statue of Liberty in New York stands 326 feet above sea level and on a clear day can be seen as far as 60 miles away. If the Earth was a globe, that would put Lady Liberty at an impossible 2,074 feet below the horizon! HOW? The lighthouse at Port Said, Egypt, at an elevation of only 60 feet has been seen an astonishing 58 miles away, where, according to modern astronomy it should be 2,182 feet below the line of sight! HOW? Notre Dame Antwerp spire standing 403 feet high from the foot of the tower with Strasburg measuring 468 feet above sea level. With the aid of a telescope, ships can be distinguished on the horizon and captains declare they can see the cathedral spire from an amazing 150 miles away. If the Earth were a globe, however, at that distance the spire should be an entire mile, 5,280 feet below the horizon! HOW? I got those figures from Eric Dubay - http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2015/04/flat-earth-enlightenment.html - There are thousands of examples of things being seen that should be way below the curve. My simple question is how is possible we can see objects which should clearly be behind a curve? The video you just posted here is debunked, the comments on the video debunked it, are you ok? I'm fine and you? You didn't debunk shit. You posted some youtube comments. Show some of your proof. Exact numbers. How did you get your measurements. Your a scientific man lets use the scientific method. Show us your calculations. Not some tripe you took off of youtube comments. Next time don't come running in here with screen shots from a random youtuber acting like you just did some science. We can see through that. You posted the video, dumbass, the video is debunked by the comments, don't post videos then. A random youtuber like the one in your video? Are you actually, ok? You seem kind of fucked in the head. |
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Math is a language. It won't ever prove shit.
For as smart as you think you are in math and science your proving you don't know shit.
Keep going.
That's why I'm asking - I don't know why you believe what you do. You are smart enough to mash a keyboard... you should understand common sense. Math has never been proven wrong. That's how we landed on the moon. If you can find an example where math is wrong, you will never want again. He doesn't need math, he has youtube videos which cannot be false if they are talking about flat earth. He doesn't even read the comments to see how idiotic they are. So youtube videos are no good however just up above you got your big proof from the comments section of a youtube video. Your logic is astounding. Bravo sir. I see you also point me to pictures for your proof. Guess you believe in Bigfoot and Nessy as well. Not sure if this or the Wonder Woman 9/11 connection is worse. Here are more impossible distances where object that shouldn't be seen due to curvature can be seen (if the last one was not up to your standards). These are from books. Not sure if your down with those or not. The Isle of Wight lighthouse in England is 180 feet high and can be seen up to 42 miles away, a distance at which modern astronomers say the light should fall 996 feet below line of sight. HOW? The Cape L’Agulhas lighthouse in South Africa is 33 feet high, 238 feet above sea level, and can be seen for over 50 miles. If the world was a globe, this light would fall 1,400 feet below an observer’s line of sight! HOW? The Statue of Liberty in New York stands 326 feet above sea level and on a clear day can be seen as far as 60 miles away. If the Earth was a globe, that would put Lady Liberty at an impossible 2,074 feet below the horizon! HOW? The lighthouse at Port Said, Egypt, at an elevation of only 60 feet has been seen an astonishing 58 miles away, where, according to modern astronomy it should be 2,182 feet below the line of sight! HOW? Notre Dame Antwerp spire standing 403 feet high from the foot of the tower with Strasburg measuring 468 feet above sea level. With the aid of a telescope, ships can be distinguished on the horizon and captains declare they can see the cathedral spire from an amazing 150 miles away. If the Earth were a globe, however, at that distance the spire should be an entire mile, 5,280 feet below the horizon! HOW? I got those figures from Eric Dubay - http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2015/04/flat-earth-enlightenment.html - There are thousands of examples of things being seen that should be way below the curve. My simple question is how is possible we can see objects which should clearly be behind a curve? The video you just posted here is debunked, the comments on the video debunked it, are you ok? |
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Math is a language. It won't ever prove shit.
For as smart as you think you are in math and science your proving you don't know shit.
Keep going.
That's why I'm asking - I don't know why you believe what you do. You are smart enough to mash a keyboard... you should understand common sense. Math has never been proven wrong. That's how we landed on the moon. If you can find an example where math is wrong, you will never want again. He doesn't need math, he has youtube videos which cannot be false if they are talking about flat earth. He doesn't even read the comments to see how idiotic they are. |
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BTW, atter or gravitawhich verse in your Christian Bible talks about Dark Mtional lensing?
Give me the verse or be quiet forever about your imaginary friend who knows as much as it is in front of him.
I will give a little Christian biblical verse that God exists 1:27 Only let your life be in accordance with the gospel of Christ, so that when I come I see, and when I do not come I hear, that you stand firm in one spirit, and one soul striving for faith that arises from the News The gospel. this is the 2nd verse of the Christian Bible, Jesus said: One offspring goes and another comes, but the earth remains. e 1: 5 The sun rises 14, the sun sets, then rushes to the place where it rises again. 1: 6 The wind blows to the south, then turns to the north, it constantly turns, and in its turn the wind returns. 1: 7 All rivers flow into the sea, but the sea is not full; where the river flows, where the river flows always. 1: 8 All things are tedious, so they are not spoken by men; the eyes are not full to see, the ears are not satisfied to hear. 1: 9 What was there will be again, and what has been made will be made again; i have nothing new under the sun 15. 1:10 Is there anything that can be said: "Look, this is new!" But it was there first, long before we were there. Hmm, that is not what my book of af_newbie says and I quote: Book of Richard 2:14 "There is no God in any shape or form. Science works, bitches" You might look for some other evidence to resolve these differences. Dawkins actually sacrificed himself to Richard to save us all. All hail the true God. I'm so tired of people quoting the bible, they don't even realize how stupid it is. |
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You're all claiming a ship sails up, over and behind a mountain of water tall enough to hide the entire vessel that's only three miles out.
Excuse me, but who's the troll, who's projecting, who's the dim-wit?
The horizon rises to eye level flying at 33,000', how the fuck is there a ball below me? YOU CLAIM I'M LOOKING AT FUCKING LAND IN FRONT OF ME FLYING OVER A BALL BELOW ME, ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED?
NASA IS FUCKING CARTOONS AND PUPPETS FOR MOTHERFUCKING GODS SAKE!
These boys cannot answer a single question. Why can we not see the curve from left to right if we can see huge shipping vessels go round the giant water curve few miles out straight in front of us?. 100k in altitude things are flat as a pancake ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwimocU0IIc) but you boys can see the earths curvature from 6 feet above seal level. Keep going. Your helping me do my part. Love how these boys get all confused and just can't answer these sill questions. Photograph taken from 443km away. It's the world record. And suchmoon and the boys claim they can see the ship go round the bend from sea level. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjx0Ki9Ya3AThe beauty is your showing everyone you have no concept of of what your talking about and showing the true brainwashing that you have undergone. We are not even talking about flat earth vs spherical earth at this point we are talking about simple observable facts that work on both flat and spherical earth. You guys have been worked up into such a frenzy your unable to see we are not talking about the shape of the earth we are talking about biology (that both sides agree on). Either way your helping nobatman out. You have been led into a trap and you took it. Artists, doctors, biologists and normal everyday people know how our eyes work. You guys are outing yourselves. Here is some more rope. Keep going. I can't believe you have given us 5 pages of the easiest argument to drown you guys in and you keep on going. My biggest fear is people think me and nobatman are using these alternate accounts to make ridiculous claims to make flat earth look good and to make modern science look retarded. If you read the comments:  The author of the video stopped responding to that, hmm... ''Why can we not see the curve from left to right if we can see huge shipping vessels go round the giant water curve few miles out straight in front of us?.'' Google, photo of earth from space, easy peasy. |
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The problem with this thinking is in the numbers. Before the printing press, there were only a handful of copies of any scientific work except a few of the better ones, like Aristotle. In addition, there were only a few copies of any religion other than Christianity. But there are well over 25,000 hand copies of the New Testament from before the printing press. Today, copies of the Bible - especially the N.T. - outnumber any other book or manuscript by at least 2 to 1. Starting to seem like science is the weaker of the religions. It doesn't have to do with odds. It is the Spirit of God getting His Word around to the peoples of the world.  The problem is that the flood is proven to be a hoax, the age of the earth and universe do not match the bible, at all and the other contradictions just prove it even further, god from the bible is scientifically proven to be a hoax. There is no proof that the Great Flood of Noah's day didn't happen. There is no proof that the standard, accepted age of the universe is anything near correct. There are no contradictions in the Bible... although there might be many things that we don't understand, clearly. The God that the Bible is referring to is the God of the universe that science has proven to exist. Of course there is: Age of the earth: https://www.space.com/24854-how-old-is-earth.htmlhttp://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-age-of-earth.htmlhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_EarthAge of the universe: https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2016/04/29/how-do-we-know-the-age-of-the-universe/#473db16a6155https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_universeThis is scientific proof, accepted by virtually all scientists, if this is not proof, I don't know what is. There is also plenty of evidence that the flood didn't happen, in fact no history book talks about it anywhere. https://www.csicop.org/si/show/twenty-one_reasons_noahs_worldwide_flood_never_happenedhttps://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Global_flood |
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How can you see mountains from hundreds of miles out but this ship disappears behind curvature so close to the shore? The mountains are taller than the ship. What level of school did you finish, Joe? Yeah, didn't really know how to answer that, it seemed like a joke. |
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It was actually Zeus who made everything through cause and effect, he planted the idea of a christian god into badecker's mind.
Well, now that we have C&E settled, we can go on to the faulty use of "random" in evolution theory, which shows that evolution theory is wrong. Then we still need to find some proof of evolution... somewhere. And finally, we need to dispel all those "things" that show that evolution is impossible. If we can do all this, we might have a start at proving evolution as a possible theme of nature. Then comes the hard part, proving evolution is a main theme of nature. Actually Zeus left it this way, he caused the universe and then left, he doesn't act anymore, therefore evolution is real. |
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Also the bible and the god from the bible can be scientifically proven to be wrong. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Biblical_scientific_errorsMost notable errors, the age of the earth and the universe. The fact that we have: A. Over 450 English versions of the bible B. All are translated using different methods and from entirely different manuscripts C. Thousands of manuscripts disagreeing with each other wildly in what verses and even books they contain, and how those verses read. You would think the bible, being the only word of god would be kept intact or something. The flood, proven to be a total hoax. The hundreds of ridiculous laws and contradictions and more. The problem with this thinking is in the numbers. Before the printing press, there were only a handful of copies of any scientific work except a few of the better ones, like Aristotle. In addition, there were only a few copies of any religion other than Christianity. But there are well over 25,000 hand copies of the New Testament from before the printing press. Today, copies of the Bible - especially the N.T. - outnumber any other book or manuscript by at least 2 to 1. Starting to seem like science is the weaker of the religions. It doesn't have to do with odds. It is the Spirit of God getting His Word around to the peoples of the world. The problem is that the flood is proven to be a hoax, the age of the earth and universe do not match the bible, at all and the other contradictions just prove it even further, god from the bible is scientifically proven to be a hoax. |
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I just followed you down your rabbit hole. I did the same with notbatman, with the same result, apparently.
No this is Moloch rabbit hole. He is the one who wanted to talk about the moral merits of the 10 commandments and you seem to want to talk about everything else besides the topic raised. The question was are the ten commandments good? That is what Dennis Prager address. You keep wanting to talk about the problems that arise from forcing everyone to follow them under penalty of law. Different topic entirely. Do you agree of killing people that work on the sabbath? Yes or No
I literally just answered this question minutes ago. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg46806852#msg46806852No I do not believe we should murder people. Who cares about US laws? God is the ultimate moral guide, remember? If he says it's ok to kill people who work in the sabbath, it is and you should be following his guidelines. |
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It's a simple question so we can establish something between the 2 sides. We need a starting point. I really want to walk through this step by step. You have been here 3 years so I would think you are game. The quest is the truth. Not winning an argument. Does the ship really go behind the giant water curve 3 miles out?Do you believe you actually witness the ship go behind a giant water curve off the coast (3 miles out)? Or do you believe it is perspective which makes it disappear? How can you bring the ship back into sight with binoculars if it went behind the water curve? NASA employees, Bill Nye have both said we know the earth is curved because we can see the ship disappear behind the curve. I call this clear bullshit. If you believe that the ship really does go behind the curve 3 miles out there really is nothing left to talk about as I would consider you intellectually dishonest. I can't tell if you are being silly, are attempting to be deceptive, or are just plain ignorant. The answer to your yes/no question, "Does the ship really go behind the giant water curve 3 miles out?," as it stands, is not a simple yes/no. Here's why not. And it is easy. The horizon is different distances away, depending on how high off the ground you are at the same spot on the beach. If you are a 6-foot tall person standing on the beach, the horizon will be at a certain point. If you are standing on the top of a 100-foot tall tower, exactly and directly above the point where you were standing on the beach, the horizon will be further away. If you let the girls bury you in the beach sand, so your head sticks out of the sand, exactly between the spot where your feet were planted when you were standing on the beach, the horizon is much closer. You don't have enough info in your question to make it possible to give a yes or a no. And you know this. You are simply being deceptive, or you are playing around. However, if you don't know this, you really need a room next to notbatman.Wow that was an amazing avoidance of a simple question. I'll ask again just to show everyone you will not answer this question. Your at sea level on the beach. No 100 foot towers. Your head is in a vice and cannot change altitude. It is 6 feet above sea level. The boat disappears bottom first and eventually goes out of sight. Did it go behind the water curve or out of your perspective? Cannot wait to see your response. Going over the horizon is not termed behind the water curve. If you mean going over the horizon, say what you mean. As far as perspective goes, what do you consider something that is out of sight? Is it out of your perspective? Your language and terminology is different than people generally use. So, what about my post you quoted? Do you think that the distance of the horizon varies with how high you are above the water? Or not? Of course the horizon changes depending on your elevations. Let me rephrase to help you out. Your head is locked at 6 feet above sea level. Your head cannot change elevations. It is stuck at 6 feet above sea level. I will repeat. Your head is stuck at 6 feet above sea level. It cannot go to 5 or 7 feet above sea level. It is stuck at 6 feet above sea level. Remember your head is at 6 feet above sea level. Ok so your head is 6 feet above sea level. It cannot change. The ship begins to disappear bottom first. Remember your head is stuck at 6 feet above sea level. It cannot change. You can no longer see the ship. Your head is still 6 feet above sea level. You did not lay down or go onto of a 100 foot tower. Your head is stuck in position at 6 feet above sea level. What happened to the ship? Why can you no longer see it? Remember your head is fixed at 6 feet above sea level. It never changed during this entire time. 6 feet. Sea level. Ship bye bye. Why? 6 feet. There are literally hundreds of videos of ships disappearing bottom first, people knew this hundreds of years ago, are you stupid? Astargath So you believe you have actually seen the ship disappear behind the curve while standing at sea level and it had nothing to do with perspective? Please let us know. You can clearly see where the ''narrow band mirages'' that notbatman likes to talk about so much, start and end, however after taking in count that you can still clearly see half or even more than half of the boat literally erased, specially in this video: https://youtu.be/NPrTMz7a4X8What do you think would happen if you had a more powerful zoom or scope? Would the ship come back into your view or did it actually go behind the curvature of the sphere? Remember we cannot see any visible curve at 120,000 feet. How could you possibly see the curve a few feet over sea level? The only thing we are trying to establish is you cannot see that curve from sea level as you guys are saying. Why can we not see the this phenomenon while looking left to right? It's always head on. If Earth is a sphere the boats should show this behavior in all directions not just straight on. These videos you have given us along with the flat earth videos showing the boats coming back into sight after they have disappeared do not prove earths shape. To think you can see this massive curve (enough to conceal these large vessels) over such a short distance is insanity, especially since you can see land masses 100's of miles away on many parts of earth. You can't have it both ways. Nothing at 17:50 it zooms out and in, the boat is always missing 35% ~ of its bottom, it becomes smaller and bigger but the 35% missing bottom is always missing, it's pretty clear to be honest. You seem to think that a boat not only becomes smaller but also starts to disappear bottom first until it's completely out of view, you can clearly see that's not the case in the video. |
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Let's see the next idiotic thing he says now. He wants to defend the bible but he doesn't have the guts to execute someone for working on the sabbath, what a pussy.
As a general rule when people are reduced to screaming and/or childish name calling it is a good sign they have lost the argument. Do you agree of killing people that work on the sabbath? Yes or No |
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So you think that killing someone today because they worked on Sabbath is not murder?
Since there is no law on the books in the USA that prescribes capital punishment for working on the sabbath yes it would be murder.... So the 10 commandments are contradictory today. Let's see the next idiotic thing he says now. He wants to defend the bible but he doesn't have the guts to execute someone for working on the sabbath, what a pussy. |
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I would NOT agree that the ten commandments are good... since you brought it up, lets talk about them:
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Only 2 of the ten commandments are even good rules, and both of those were illegal for centuries before the Jews came along and gave credit to god for them
And, if they are such amazing commandments, why do the Jews, Catholics, and Protestants all believe in a different set of 10?
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The difference in the commandments between denomiminations is just the choice of how to group the paragraph of commandments listed in the Bible into 10 discrete items. It's not a fundamental difference in content. I could not disagree more with your analysis. If you want to understand the opposing argument I highly recommend Dennis Prager's excellent video series on the topic. Each video is only 5 minutes long so you may want to start with the commandment you feel is the most "flawed" first if you don't want to watch them all. The Ten Commandments: What You Should Know1) I am the Lord Your God2) No Other Gods3) Do Not Misuse God's Name4) Remember the Sabbath5) Honor Your Father and Mother6) Do Not Murder7) Do Not Commit Adultery8 ) Do Not Steal9) Do Not Bear False Witness10) Do Not Covet4 and 6 are in direct conflict. God himself told people to kill other people if they were working on the sabbath. There is a passage where god makes someone, moises i think to kill someone else because he was gathering sticks on the sabbath. |
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It's a simple question so we can establish something between the 2 sides. We need a starting point. I really want to walk through this step by step. You have been here 3 years so I would think you are game. The quest is the truth. Not winning an argument. Does the ship really go behind the giant water curve 3 miles out?Do you believe you actually witness the ship go behind a giant water curve off the coast (3 miles out)? Or do you believe it is perspective which makes it disappear? How can you bring the ship back into sight with binoculars if it went behind the water curve? NASA employees, Bill Nye have both said we know the earth is curved because we can see the ship disappear behind the curve. I call this clear bullshit. If you believe that the ship really does go behind the curve 3 miles out there really is nothing left to talk about as I would consider you intellectually dishonest. I can't tell if you are being silly, are attempting to be deceptive, or are just plain ignorant. The answer to your yes/no question, "Does the ship really go behind the giant water curve 3 miles out?," as it stands, is not a simple yes/no. Here's why not. And it is easy. The horizon is different distances away, depending on how high off the ground you are at the same spot on the beach. If you are a 6-foot tall person standing on the beach, the horizon will be at a certain point. If you are standing on the top of a 100-foot tall tower, exactly and directly above the point where you were standing on the beach, the horizon will be further away. If you let the girls bury you in the beach sand, so your head sticks out of the sand, exactly between the spot where your feet were planted when you were standing on the beach, the horizon is much closer. You don't have enough info in your question to make it possible to give a yes or a no. And you know this. You are simply being deceptive, or you are playing around. However, if you don't know this, you really need a room next to notbatman.Wow that was an amazing avoidance of a simple question. I'll ask again just to show everyone you will not answer this question. Your at sea level on the beach. No 100 foot towers. Your head is in a vice and cannot change altitude. It is 6 feet above sea level. The boat disappears bottom first and eventually goes out of sight. Did it go behind the water curve or out of your perspective? Cannot wait to see your response. Going over the horizon is not termed behind the water curve. If you mean going over the horizon, say what you mean. As far as perspective goes, what do you consider something that is out of sight? Is it out of your perspective? Your language and terminology is different than people generally use. So, what about my post you quoted? Do you think that the distance of the horizon varies with how high you are above the water? Or not? Of course the horizon changes depending on your elevations. Let me rephrase to help you out. Your head is locked at 6 feet above sea level. Your head cannot change elevations. It is stuck at 6 feet above sea level. I will repeat. Your head is stuck at 6 feet above sea level. It cannot go to 5 or 7 feet above sea level. It is stuck at 6 feet above sea level. Remember your head is at 6 feet above sea level. Ok so your head is 6 feet above sea level. It cannot change. The ship begins to disappear bottom first. Remember your head is stuck at 6 feet above sea level. It cannot change. You can no longer see the ship. Your head is still 6 feet above sea level. You did not lay down or go onto of a 100 foot tower. Your head is stuck in position at 6 feet above sea level. What happened to the ship? Why can you no longer see it? Remember your head is fixed at 6 feet above sea level. It never changed during this entire time. 6 feet. Sea level. Ship bye bye. Why? 6 feet. There are literally hundreds of videos of ships disappearing bottom first, people knew this hundreds of years ago, are you stupid? Astargath So you believe you have actually seen the ship disappear behind the curve while standing at sea level and it had nothing to do with perspective? Please let us know. You can clearly see where the ''narrow band mirages'' that notbatman likes to talk about so much, start and end, however after taking in count that you can still clearly see half or even more than half of the boat literally erased, specially in this video: https://youtu.be/NPrTMz7a4X8 |
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Re-check me, sir.Continuous – thank you for job! I have been 17 weeks with you!
I wish the project to collect hardcap!
This post, I confirm the remove of the signature.
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Also the bible and the god from the bible can be scientifically proven to be wrong. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Biblical_scientific_errorsMost notable errors, the age of the earth and the universe. The fact that we have: A. Over 450 English versions of the bible B. All are translated using different methods and from entirely different manuscripts C. Thousands of manuscripts disagreeing with each other wildly in what verses and even books they contain, and how those verses read. You would think the bible, being the only word of god would be kept intact or something. The flood, proven to be a total hoax. The hundreds of ridiculous laws and contradictions and more. |
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XDDD and you just showed your IQ again. FOR EVERY ACTION , means that if there is a ACTION, not that everything has a cause, how fucking dumb can a human being be?
Honestly, he basically proves evolution to be true by his own argument... He says everything is based on cause and effect (ergo, god does not do anything after the big bang) This is exactly like evolution... there is no difference... everything is based on the initial conditions and evolved naturally without interference from any supernatural intervention The only thing he seems to have a problem with is the word random... which, as anyone knows, doesn't really exist... there is no such thing as a random number... we (scientists) only call it random because it is not possible to calculate with any degree of certainty (literally impossible due to the uncertainty principle)... anything impossible to calculate is considered random, because that's the definition of random... Thanks for proving my point Also, If EVERY effect has a cause... who caused god? Welcome to the "Problem of the creator of God" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_the_creator_of_GodThe problem of the creator of God is the controversy regarding the hypothetical cause responsible for the existence of God, presuming God exists. A common challenge to theistic propositions of a creator deity as a necessary first-cause explanation for the universe is the question: "Who created God?". It contests the proposition that the universe cannot exist without a creator by asserting that the creator of the universe must have the same restrictions. This, in turn, may lead to a problem of infinite regress wherein each newly presumed creator of a creator is itself presumed to have its own creator.
It was actually Zeus who made everything through cause and effect, he planted the idea of a christian god into badecker's mind. |
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Meh, a lot of useless talk and you still haven't showed what evidence you have to points to god and not multiple gods or multiple other causes, your argument is still invalid.
Apparently you still haven't read the proof that points to God and not multiple gods or multiple other causes. You can't invalidate anything that you are ignoring just because you say it. But there is nothing to read, your argument ends on ''the cause/causes of the universe must have been more complex than the universe'' That does NOT show it was your god and not multiple gods or multiple causes. |
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