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I'm afraid I have to agree with OP. It always seemed weird to me why the mods here appeared (from my perspective at least) to be actively looking to bury as many "bad PR" type threads for BFL to the virtual geek dungeon of OT or SA.
Honestly I thought (and maybe still do if I am honest) that the significant amount of money BFL was spending on advertising here influenced mods decisions.
GMax are you now surprised that HashFast is coming along and asking you to bury their dirty laundry as well? Because you made estimations that BFL customers could ROI so it wasn't as bad as HF because their customers won't ROI . You shouldn't be making estimations on ROI to conclude an companies legitimacy. BFL was clearly illegally with holding refunds and you seemingly not only turned a blind eye but made the information presented less available for the rest of the poor schmucks.
Honestly I don't put any more weight on what Mods or admin or hero members have to say. Their content always speaks louder than their status, but I personally think you have not treated all companies the same and as a mod I believe you should have.
Nothing personal mate, and I do understand you have a chunk of change wrapped up here where you didn't with BFL and your only human, so with that I wish you good luck with your HF order and whatever other pre-orders you may have!
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Big Big congratulations guys.
Those pictures make me feel all funny in my pants!!!
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@HashFast, What is it like to suck as much balls as BFL? Funny how Bitmine (and KnC a while back) managed to get chips from fab and on an eval board and hashing within hours of receiving chips. You fucking monkeys are still flinging shit at your INVESTOMERS... Ya the American companies are WAY behind if we're keeping score. If I ever decide to order mining hardware it sure as fuck will not be from an American manufacture my BTC would be going to the EU in a heart beat. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=291141.520 |
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Looks like the Bitmine.ch folks are in China to get the packaged IC chips.
Now hoping for a fast delivery!
Hashfast is shipping end of the month.
Cointerra has the wafers but has not yet packaged the chips.
Bitmain is shipping 55 mm avalon systems. They are now all over eBay.
I thought there's a big Hashfast drama: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=391251.0He didn't say end of which month... |
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I have never validated this information (so I don't know how accurate it is) but according to this poster, PayPal reportedly handles refunds (for purchases where a currency conversion has taken place) by issuing the refund using the exchange rate at the time of purchase. Helpful to HF B1 customers or not I don't know, but if true it leads me to question all the posters who say things like "refunds are always handle with conversion rate at the refund date" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=236794.msg2542356#msg2542356 |
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I don't give a flying fuck about easic posting a press release. All of these manufacturers are pulling the same shit. None of it is acceptable. Oh, we have your money and we are late shipping your product, however here is a shady picture of something not even close to proof that we can actually meet the demands of our customers who have millions of dollars on the line. It's all bullshit. None of these companies have good attitudes, look at the way bfl inaba talks to his customers. So when a company posts a bullshit picture of an assembly line, consisting of some shit low quality workbenches with none of the proper equipment for even building pcs, a poor angle of a small warehouse, and some boxes from a computer case manufacturer, ALL I SEE IS SCAM. you want me to say scam, there it is. No pictures of actual components, no pictures of people working on them. No tools..
Why would a single person look at those pictures and think 'gee, this company isn't ripping me off, look at all the ASIC miners that shit picture proves exists!'
I'd say that people are just morons, but really I think it's like some sort of victims denial, they have been given so little and ripped off so many times that any shred of hope is embraced and accepted. It's why people who are getting conned keep giving money to a scam, it's why gamblers keep borrowing more money, to just make that last bet to be sure.
Yet in all of this, instead of posting real proof, you lash out at my post. You are another scammer and liar, or you wouldn't be defensive and arrogant. If you had real product to ship, you would have proof of it. A real business would.
Welcome to Deadwood mate, hope you enjoy your stay... |
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where mining profits are retardedly front end loaded. Actually, the problem is in the backend. Ah yes however, you won't be taking the profits in the backend. That is HF's fist your feeling (sans lube!) |
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So for all you trolls, how long should a manufacturer test equipment? Its clear we aren't getting any gear this year.
They touted high speed pcb manufacturing at Dec 8th.
They touted you can hash with off the shelf PSU and water cooler unit, so no other dealys after getting pcbs assembled.
So is 21 days+ acceptable to test mining equipment. Is 90 ? 180 days? Where is the official troll cutoff?
Fuck that's easy, as long as they can get away with it... |
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Are you seriously asking that question? Every day we don't have the miner in our hands is days we aren't mining. Are you thick or just a troll? Seriously.
So you mean the bitcoin difficulty is increasing correct? Well i would prefer for hashfast to hold my machine as long as it takes,to make sure its 100% tested and certified for consumer use,so there is no problems in the long run. Is that the long run where HF gives clients a 10 day warranty? Or the long run where folks paid 50+ BTC and will mine back less than 10 with a single BJ. Ya long run considerations are pretty irrelevant in this day and age where mining profits are retardedly front end loaded. |
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So do you expect them not to test your machines before they deliever them?
Do you really want none working asic miners thats been untested?
They are bound to hash on your machines why even worry about this?
Gee someone should make a test net that will allow testing of units without hitting the live network. God if only someone somewhere had thought of this before all these people started making fucking gear.... |
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When the machine is mining the yellow light is pulsing, but what does it mean when the yellow light is lighting constans or is not lightning at all or the red light is lighting?
The red light indicates the auto self destruct sequence has been initialized or does the red light mean it's flipped over to mining on YIFU's account for a while, I always get those two mixed up  |
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their customer service says they are located in Markham Canada. I should note the customer service moniker used in our chat was "descarte"... same as OP.
nah, I am not one of them. I want to know how everyone sees them before I start investing. If someone in canada can verify their address and people working there, I might give it a go. I am in Canada and live within half an hour drive. I didn't see the address but I might be willing to stop by if they allow it and a time is arranged. Edit: 270 Esna Park drive is an industrial section of Markham. I have customers in that area and I will actually be around the corner from there on Monday for other business. I will drive by the address and have a look. I won't be knocking on doors or any such thing. I am assuming that address is an industrial complex and has multiple units but the website doesn't list a unit number, but I will do a "drive by" on Monday all the same. Not like this isn't clearly a scam but in case anyone is interested I did drive by the address on Monday. There is no sign of any company called AxonLab or anything close. 14 Units at 270 and all appear to be rented and in use by existing companies with signage, except one. One of the units was listed as an Ontario numbered corp so I have no idea what they do and they had no sign on the door or window of the unit (just the unit#). If in some 1 in a billion off chance someone talks to these guys and they allow visitors I am in the area all the time and would be happy to stop by although I'm not gonna hold my breath waiting. |
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Actually, I'm hoping they do ship soon. KnC won't sell me their next set of Jupiters from stock until one of these competitors starts shipping.
Yup. Count on this. I am. Get your BTCs ready, buy them while they are cheap. Explain this KnC sales strategy to a dumb person, please. They want to mine a little longer on the gear before they unload on suckers. |
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not a thirsty horse. just stop isawhim... no matter what you say or how you say it puppett and crew have made up their minds.
My mind follows perfectly simple logic and Bitmine's spec. But lets have you on record too: do you think AMT's 1.2 TH miner will achieve ~1.2 TH @600W or less? forget the math. will amt even deliver something that can do 1.2th? The promised to delivery this month and have not been able to even post a picture of a 1.2th case. Jesus christ, the people making the fucking chips had a 3 week delay announced Dec 10th. Unless AMT is using someone else's chips IT IS NOT possible they will ship 1.2 Th/s miners in 2013. The chips are still at the FAB they can not show a fucking thing because they don't have anything. This is all common knowledge. |
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I just picked up a new workstation yesterday. I use it for work 9-5 M-F and it was configured for my work requirements. Based on the specs of the machine it may make a decent CPU coin miner in the off times (overnight and weekends).
Dual Intel Xeon E5-2560 8 core CPU's
128 Gig Ram (64 per CPU)
Asus Mobo
1300 watt platinum Antec PSU
2 x R9 280X GPU (on order, eta is early Jan, using a single 7750 till new cards arrive.
Win7
When the 280X's arrive I will put them on LTC when the machine is not in use at work, but what about CPU mining? Should I be looking at mining a CPU coin like Prime/XPM or Quark?
Note: If it matters to anyone I am not stealing computing power or electricity as I own the company, just looking to see if it makes any sense to mine a CPU coin in the off hours to help offset the cost of the new workstation.
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On Dec. 13 i was told by Jim my 1.2TH, order #610, will ship the first week of January.
Flame on trolls.
On December 10th the manufacture of the chips stated they had a 3 week delay in receiving the chips. That puts delivery of the chips in Switzerland on Dec 31st at the earliest. I have a very hard time believing chips arriving on the 31st at the earliest will end up as a miner from AMT on a delivery truck to you within 7 days of the chips arriving... well, was the delay announced after Dec. 13? i would agree with you that deadline would be hard to meet given that information. Dec 10th is before Dec 13th. That is actually why I included the date. http://bitmine.ch/?p=4192 |
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On Dec. 13 i was told by Jim my 1.2TH, order #610, will ship the first week of January.
Flame on trolls.
On December 10th the manufacture of the chips stated they had a 3 week delay in receiving the chips. That puts delivery of the chips in Switzerland on Dec 31st at the earliest. I have a very hard time believing chips arriving on the 31st at the earliest will end up as a miner from AMT on a delivery truck to you within 7 days of the chips arriving... |
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Hoping Friedcat is still due for the new ship/product release for the end of Jan - Hopefully around the 1Th/s mark
If AM sticks to their pricing model, I can only guess a 1Th/s machine from them in Jan would run around 50+ BTC. I guess there still enough optimists that they will sell out though lol. |
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It's a little interesting to me that in a discussion/poll on legitimate hardware companies and there is no option or mention of illegal refund policies...
Here's the biggest factors I look for in a hardware manufacture:
A) do they conform to consumer protection laws
B) am I being treated as an investomer
If a company cannot pass those two minimum requirements than I don't care who owns the company, what the $/gh/s is, what they have proven in the past or anything really.
Not many companies currently offering hardware can pass those two points and the ones that can have ridiculous pricing in terms of BTC break even point and as such I am still a bystander in the BTC asic mining race. Although I am happily and profitably mining LTC with my GPU's!
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their customer service says they are located in Markham Canada. I should note the customer service moniker used in our chat was "descarte"... same as OP.
nah, I am not one of them. I want to know how everyone sees them before I start investing. If someone in canada can verify their address and people working there, I might give it a go. I am in Canada and live within half an hour drive. I didn't see the address but I might be willing to stop by if they allow it and a time is arranged. Edit: 270 Esna Park drive is an industrial section of Markham. I have customers in that area and I will actually be around the corner from there on Monday for other business. I will drive by the address and have a look. I won't be knocking on doors or any such thing. I am assuming that address is an industrial complex and has multiple units but the website doesn't list a unit number, but I will do a "drive by" on Monday all the same. |
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