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1701  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [2019-01-07] Coinbase Suspends Ethereum Classic After Blockchain History Rewrite on: January 08, 2019, 07:39:52 PM
Gonna happen sooner or later, or Vitalik risks looking really dumb after all these years of bashing Bitcoin for "inherently centralized PoW". And if people will start doubting their "benevolent dictator", ETH will turn into yet another shitcoin without any future very quickly.

Probably later, especially PoS (Casper) on ETH was originally planned live on ETH network on late 2017, but it's changed several time on their roadmap.

It'll be a while. They're actually planning to implement a new POW algorithm to replace Ethash with something more ASIC-resistant. It looks like the EIP has just been accepted. Some ETH miners won't be happy about this.

Have Casper developers even established a strong theoretical basis for the full proof-of-stake implementation? Anybody have some links to their research? I've seen a lot more work coming from the Cardano camp than from Ethereum.
1702  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bloomberg: Japan Gauges Interest in Bitcoin ETF as Pundits Talk Down US Approval on: January 08, 2019, 05:59:41 PM
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Citing a person familiar with the matter, the publication reports that the Financial Services Agency (FSA) is testing interest in an ETF with a view to potentially giving the instrument the green light to trade on domestic markets.

The move would place Japan in direct contrast to the United States, where regulators are risk-averse on ETFs but permit physical Bitcoin futures trading, something the FSA has rejected.

This, Bloomberg notes, came due to the Japanese regulator “concluding that such products would achieve little besides stoke speculation.”

If that's their basis for rejecting futures markets, why would they want to allow an ETF? How is it any less based in speculation?

I really don't know what exiting time is ahead even if Japan proposes to accept ETF business in their country. Japan is well know for its over regularion. They have imposed tax slabs ranging from 15% to 55% for cryptos which is effectively creating an obstacle for mass adoption. I am sure no real impact will be seen even if Japan decides positively for ETF.

Indeed, I'm sure their over-regulation is the reason Japan's share of global volume has plummeted. It might have a positive effect on US regulators' position towards future ETF approval, but I doubt it would greatly affect the market.
1703  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Kraken law enforcement requests triple in 2018 on: January 08, 2019, 05:48:04 PM
Bound to happen IMO as crypto-exchanges are intertwined with fiat deposits which are prone to fraud and the likes.

I think it's less about fraud and more about terrorism, and secondly, money laundering. That's why the Department of Homeland Security makes the most requests of any agency. Their main task is dealing with terrorism.

Even altcoin-only exchanges like Poloniex and Bittrex started mandating KYC last year, so it's not just fiat exchanges.
1704  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin as a better store of value than gold on: January 07, 2019, 08:18:26 PM
Who's removing "Bitcoin utility"?

Removing its feature as a medium of exchange?

I believe Bitcoin is not useful as a medium of exchange first, because of the opportunity costs. The users who might be willing to tolerate that cost might be the people who are using it for illegal transactions, in which not using Bitcoin might cost them more.

Gresham's Law is relevant here. If "bad money drives out good" then we should expect people to spend fiat currencies and less valuable cryptocurrencies before Bitcoin. Bitcoin has stronger monetary properties, therefore it's rational to hoard it rather than spend it assuming one has other money at his disposal.

Without scarcity of block space, there is no post-subsidy income guaranteed to miners. So we might have free transactions, but transaction security would evaporate, so the incentive system underlying Bitcoin would be broken. That would inevitably destroy its value as money.
1705  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2019-01-03] 7 Legal Questions That Will Define Blockchain in 2019 on: January 07, 2019, 08:03:17 PM
I assumed the issue would be depositing from shielded addresses since that would hide previous transaction history and possibly raise AML policy issues. Why would Gemini/Coinbase care about withdrawing to shielded addresses? Couldn't customers just use shielded transactions after the initial withdrawal, or does that compromise their privacy?

Yup. I don't get it either. It seems like the wrong way round to me. I presume there's a reason for it. No idea what it is.

What is revealing is that neither have mentioned any interest in listing Monero. Kraken do though.

I figure Zcash must be more transparent (easier to analyze). I know that shielded transactions are rarely used on the network, so maybe that factors into it.

Both Gemini and Coinbase obviously make a legal distinction between shielded and unshielded transactions. Since Monero mandates anonymous transactions at the protocol level, I assume this means Gemini and Coinbase will never list it. Coins like XMR will probably be relegated to the lower tier and offshore/unregulated exchanges.
1706  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2019-01-03] 7 Legal Questions That Will Define Blockchain in 2019 on: January 07, 2019, 07:41:58 PM
I was really surprised Gemini had the balls to list Zcash last year. Who knows, with Coinbase hinting at an altcoin/token listing spree, maybe they'll add a privacy coin themselves.

https://blog.coinbase.com/buy-and-sell-zec-on-coinbase-ccd0bbb642a9

"Initially, customers can send ZEC to Coinbase from both transparent and shielded addresses, but only send off Coinbase to transparent addresses. In the future, we’ll explore support for sending ZEC to shielded addresses in locations where it complies with local laws."#

https://medium.com/gemini/gemini-is-now-the-worlds-first-licensed-zcash-exchange-dfa7da992816

"At launch, Gemini will support deposits from unshielded or shielded addresses, but will only support withdrawals to unshielded addresses. We are working to support withdrawals to shielded addresses in the future."

Looks like it's privacy lite but all the same since it got the NYDFS stamp of approval it's an interesting development. My guess is they'll allow shielded withdrawals never, but the more interesting one is allowing shielded deposits from the off.

Ah, I didn't even notice Coinbase listed Zcash too.

I assumed the issue would be depositing from shielded addresses since that would hide previous transaction history and possibly raise AML policy issues. Why would Gemini/Coinbase care about withdrawing to shielded addresses? Couldn't customers just use shielded transactions after the initial withdrawal, or does that compromise their privacy?
1707  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2019-01-03] 7 Legal Questions That Will Define Blockchain in 2019 on: January 07, 2019, 06:58:43 PM
To ban the privacy coins is something impossible to do unless they have access to the exchanges as they have with banks. How to do otherwise?

That's already happening in Japan and South Korea. It'll probably happen elsewhere.

Regulators will 'suggest' exchanges may want to delist privacy coins. If the suggestion isn't followed then they come back again with a rather firmer stance.

I was really surprised Gemini had the balls to list Zcash last year. Who knows, with Coinbase hinting at an altcoin/token listing spree, maybe they'll add a privacy coin themselves.

The Japanese government is known for having an authoritarian streak. It'll be interesting to see how things play out in the states by comparison.

We will always see a country who doesn't give a f**k to privacy coins, some countries will become the paradise to establish a crypto exchange.

In the context of fiat exchanges, governments like the US can always come after rogue exchanges through the banking system. But crypto-only exchanges in unfriendly jurisdictions are much harder to target since the US has no way to get its hands on the money. This is the ideal context for privacy coins until DEX protocols are more robust.
1708  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2019-01-05]Thousands of Banned Binance Customers Remain Cut off by the Exchange on: January 07, 2019, 06:35:50 PM
So far we know that these countries are affected : Bosnia and Herzegovina, Serbia, Belarus, Romania, Moldova, Myanmar, Macedonia, Iran, Zimbabwe. Interesting fact is that Russia is not on Binance black list, but it is on U.S. Treasury Department OFAC list. Which means that the same rules of play do not apply to all countries in the same way.

Most sanctions are directed at individuals and entities, not entire countries. That's the case in Russia. There are lots of other countries affected by sanctions -- like Yemen, Venezuela, Somalia, ​Nicaragua, CAR, etc. -- who aren't included in this "high-risk" category. It's hard to say what sort of criteria Binance is using here.
1709  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2019-01-07] US Feds Raid Tech Hub for Unauthorized Crypto Trading: Report on: January 07, 2019, 06:23:42 PM
Wood-TV reported that Boden had stated he was “commercially trading in crypto-currency [sic] without the proper authorization.”

The founder also reportedly believes he is facing federal prison time and up to $100,000 in legal expenses.

Read more: https://cointelegraph.com/news/us-feds-raid-tech-hub-for-unauthorized-crypto-trading-report

The details are really minimal here. I can't figure out exactly what he's being charged for. "Commercial trading" is a term usually employed by the CFTC to characterize traders that use futures markets to hedge their business activities:

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Entities that make up the commercial trader classification can include futures commission merchants, foreign brokers, clearing members or even investment banks that buy index futures to hedge current long positions.

Commercial traders are required to register with the CFTC and make periodic disclosures. "Trading authorization" usually refers to clients granting authority to brokers to places trades on their behalf. It sounds like Boden was running a brokerage of sorts and dipping into customer accounts without the proper authority.

However, that doesn't explain why the DHS and FBI are involved as opposed to the CFTC or SEC. I don't really get it.
1710  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2019-01-04]Bakkt Raises $182.5M in First Round of Fundraising, BTC Futures Awai on: January 07, 2019, 12:05:03 AM
If people are willing to bet so much money on Bakkt they must know that it's going to launch. People with no inside knowledge are complaining that Bakkt will never get approved and those with inside knowledge are betting on it. I don't believe an institution would put a million or 2 into something they aren't sure of.

Venture capital is a high-risk area, but I think you're right. This is a huge investment from a bunch of high profile VC firms. I don't think we'd see this magnitude of investment without a high level of confidence that Bakkt will get the green light.

2019 will be the year of bakkt and ETFs.

I don't have the same level of confidence with an ETF. There's precedent for CFTC-regulated markets -- both cash settled and physically settled. There's no such precedent for an ETF, and the SEC seems like they have much more stringent standards.
1711  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2019-01-06] US Secret Service says exchange CEO laundered money... on: January 06, 2019, 10:55:20 PM
This exchange was so small that it wasn't even listed on coinmarketcap. They had no volume so he wasn't laundering a lot of money. Why are they going after a small fry like this?

Maybe he's a pawn in a larger game; the DOJ is alleging organized crime connections. Obviously, the details are scarce here and nobody really knows what's going on. It sounds like it goes a lot deeper than merely operating a low-volume exchange and skimping on AML/KYC:

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In its request, the U.S. Justice Department has accused him of running a fraud scheme, committing computer fraud, leading an organized crime group and money laundering.

$3.68 million annual turnover is pretty paltry, but if the entire exchange was a front for an illegal operation, maybe it was enough to get their attention.
1712  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How big this market really is? on: January 06, 2019, 10:39:59 PM
As I've stated and you've stated (bolded)...the only time OTC activitiy influences supply is when demand (or supply for that matter) dries up and seller/buyers head for the exchanges, i.e., transactions occuring over the blockchain.

That seems to imply that the OTC market plays an important role: It absorbs real supply and demand, which inevitably affects spot prices.

If the transactions don't occur over the blockchain, they don't exist.

I don't get it. Let's take an example.

Person A puts a sell order for 300 BTC on Bitfinex's OTC trade desk. Person B puts a sell order for 300 BTC on Bitfinex's exchange order book. Both orders get filled.

What's the difference?
1713  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: ETF and Bakkt will have effect, but BTC halving is the main deal. on: January 06, 2019, 10:30:09 PM
I have seen several posts about how ETF and Bakkt could make the crypto market bullish again. As much as I really want the ETF and Bakkt, I really don't believe they will moon cryptocurrency. They will definitely cause the market to be bullish but they won't make cryptos to moon to a new all time high.
What I believe will moon cryptocurrency is the next coming Bitcoin halving.
Looking at the past history and chart of the crypto market, there have only been two halving in history (2012 and 2016) and both resulted in a powerful bullish trend which took coins to a new all time high. The next Bitcoin halving is scheduled for mid 2020, and it will have a powerful bullish trend on the crypto market.

If we consider this logically, it wasn't really the halvings that caused bullish trends. The Bitcoin supply is inflationary -- each halving merely reduces the amount of inflation added to the market. For the price to actually rise, we need constantly growing demand. A halving might factor into someone's decision to buy, but there are a multitude of other reasons that people buy -- for cross-border or censorship-resistant payments, to avoid the banking system/retain privacy, because of the growing network size/utility (Metcalfe's Law), general speculative investment or altcoin investment, to use as currency or in the Lightning Network, etc.

Whether it's an ETF or Bakkt or the halving, people are always trying to rationalize why other people are buying or selling. The truth is, we have no idea why people buy or sell. Everyone has their own reasons. The halving is somewhere down on the list, but it's not that important.
1714  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Proof of Keys Event for a Beginner? on: January 06, 2019, 09:58:41 PM
no you should not move your coins because of a silly thing such as "proof of keys" that is running on social media. you should however withdraw them if you are not trading as i explained above. exchanges are not meant for storage.

This is the key right here. Nobody should be using exchanges to store funds. They aren't wallets. Any coin you want to hold long term should be held in a secure wallet where you control the private keys. Day trading or running trading bots requires keeping funds on exchanges, but one should always withdraw any excess funds that aren't being used for trading.

This goes for fiat money as well -- there's no reason to hold USD on an exchange for months at a time. People should withdraw to their own bank accounts in case their exchange suffers hacks, legal problems, or in case they exit scam.
1715  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2019-01-05]Thousands of Banned Binance Customers Remain Cut off by the Exchange on: January 06, 2019, 09:39:54 PM
I've been telling people here for a while that Bitcoin will not save countries from sanctions, back when this board was flooded with articles about Russia/Iran/Venezuela leaders discussing how they can use crypto to fool the West.

I think it's a subject worth reinvestigating in a decade or two. It's certainly not a goer while things are so closely tied to fiat. It may well be a different matter when tens or hundreds of millions only dip back into fiat to pay their taxes or satisfy bills that refuse crypto.

This is one area that's going to develop until it bears zero resemblance to how it is at present.

Indeed, it doesn't work well under today's dynamics, where Bitcoin has only a fledgling economy and most trading is done through a limited number of centralized fiat gateways. Decades from now, things might look very different -- blockchains interoperable with Lightning and atomic swaps, DEXs that are actually decentralized, greater liquidity and a more robust ecosystem of local and P2P exchanges, and hopefully a more self-sufficient economy that isn't wholly dependent on fiat gateways.
1716  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin as a better store of value than gold on: January 06, 2019, 07:50:27 PM
The best store of value has the biggest network of users and the most market liquidity

untrue
1. FIAT: america 300m+ users.. china 1billion+.. yet the world follows the dollar
2. best store of value is more about utility.

You realize the USD is the world reserve currency, right? It's the basis for international settlement. It's usage far surpasses the US population. The yuan pales in comparison, both in terms of usage and liquidity. The yuan is known for its extremely tight liquidity since it is so tightly controlled by the Chinese government through state-run banks.

The best store of value is about utility -- and the USD has much, much further reach than the CNY. It's much more useful. This parallels the ideas behind network value vis-a-vis Metcalfe's Law in cryptocurrency networks.

if people cant use it within the main network due to fee's. they will play around in other networks and then if they want to return to a blockchain network they will find the cheapest,fastest network that does the same things as bitcoin.. EG litecoin is probably going to be peoples exit out of LN
much like silver and copper coins were the exit out of banking even though before entering banks they held gold.

If that were true, network liquidity would move to Litecoin and it would become more valuable. Inevitably, though, Litecoin -- like virtually all altcoins -- would run into the same scalability bottlenecks as Bitcoin. If the market needs to find that out the hard way, so be it. It's a free market. C'est la vie.

What you don't seem to appreciate is that people will have a multitude of options. If they need superior security, they'll use Bitcoin. If they don't, they'll use something cheaper. This is a fundamentally good thing; Bitcoin doesn't need to monopolize the entire market.
1717  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2019-01-05]Thousands of Banned Binance Customers Remain Cut off by the Exchange on: January 06, 2019, 07:12:03 PM
I don't think they have much choice after OFAC's statements in November. The Treasury Department made clear that cryptocurrency exchanges may be subject to secondary sanctions if they transact with designated individuals. If secondary sanctions were placed on Binance, it would cut them off from the entire US market!

We knew these policies were coming since almost two months ago when Binance explicitly told Iranian customers to withdraw ASAP:

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“If you have an account with Binance and fall into that [sanctions] category, please withdraw your assets from Binance as soon as possible,” reads an email received in recent days by Iranian users, according to several local sources.
1718  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Search for "Bitcoin Core developers" on Google, the results are funny on: January 06, 2019, 09:44:40 AM
Bitcoin development is so decentralized that Google's algorithms can't figure out who they are. Wink

Newbies will either get smarter or they'll be losing money just like every other dumb block. It is up to them.

I feel the same way. I'm all for trying to steer newbies in the right direction, but there's a steep learning curve with Bitcoin. Many people simply won't learn until they pay for their mistakes -- leaving funds on exchanges or online wallets, putting all their faith in crappy altcoins, etc.
1719  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin as a better store of value than gold on: January 06, 2019, 09:36:59 AM
I don't get your logic. If a better store of value than Bitcoin came, then it would mean that gold, and Bitcoin are inferior. Plus in context of this topic, gold is debatably already inferior to Bitcoin because of gold's physical nature, which can be a disadvantage.

Regardless of any asset's features, the store-of-value question ultimately boils down to the faith of its users. The best store of value has the biggest network of users and the most market liquidity -- this parallels the idea of Metcalfe's law. It'll be interesting to see how Bitcoin's market share compares to gold in a decade or two. I don't think Bitcoin will necessarily be bigger just because it's superior.

I love this explanation from Satoshi, especially that last line -- "I think people would still take up something." Like, it's not about intrinsic value or anything like that. It's just about what people choose to use as money.
1720  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Lightning Network Discussion Thread on: January 05, 2019, 08:58:18 PM
define middlemen
define someone with co-control of funds
they are not just a peer

EG banks
an agreement to open a account of co-signed control

EG LN lock
an agreement to open a account of co-signed control

so now your saying a bank is your peer, they can disagree with your intention to make a payment
they can choose their opening times. they can choose the limits of how much funds can be passed

Your arguments never have any substance. You just baselessly refer to LN nodes as "banks" and expect people to believe you.

Counterparties in LN can only co-sign changes to channel state. They don't have control of the underlying funds. Any attempt to steal underlying funds can easily be thwarted by broadcasting the last state to the blockchain.

Peers in LN don't have the power to stop you from making payments. At most, they can cause a delay by not signing counterparty transactions or refusing to route them. There are no incentives for them to censor transactions, but there are incentives for them to route them.

Worst comes to worst, you settle to the blockchain. There's no comparison to banks.
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