There wouldn't be a problem if you didn't tar, feather & run him out of town on a rail. You can still patch things up and undo some of the harm you have done (not just to Master p and the hacker's victims, but to the whole community -- by destroying trust in its fundamental institution -- escrow).
Yeah, you can still undo some of the damage, but you won't.
Because you'd rather watch the world burn.
So you want me to remove negative trust from master-P before it is in safe hands? Surely a great idea... for a scammer. And i'm happy how mighty you see me. As if iam could have done much to warn others. 1 negative trust point alone is from me. Now check how many he has."Everyone was doing it, why pick on me?" What is it about raging mob mentality that you don't get, criminal? Do you know nothing of mobs? A perfectly decent person, nearly devoid of major criminality, becomes a violent, bloodthirsty rape machine when cheered on by mob! And you wanna know how mobs start? They start with one vigilante acting out, trowing the first stone. One. YOU! that could have raised red flags and he wouldn't have been able to run the scams for the next two weeks
lol @ raised red flags, but nothing else did. He's a trusted escrow, nothing raises red flags, just moving coins around. I guess you shouldn't judge from yourself on others. I gave him red trust because it was own jugdement. Something was wrong and it is pretty clear that a non-red master-P would be able to scam even more. How the heck can you get the idea that he should have green trust? That is so plain stupid... Guess you didn't even notice that he claimed himself to have no control about the account master-P anymore. And you still come up with that nonsense that he should have the red trust removed. Well, that's so against common sense that i can't see yours anymore. |
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If Master p really wanted to scam, wouldn't moving the coin be the first thing he'd do, to make it look like he was hacked?
How about you think things through a bit, before slandering a trusted user account's good name with undeserved red trust?
that could have raised red flags and he wouldn't have been able to run the scams for the next two weeks not moving the coins was exactly what an amateur degenerate gamer scammer would have done Very good point. And another good hint that it was the real master-P. Only he could be safe that the master-P that was hacked would not see it and move the coins. Only he could get the idea to let others send coins to the old address and later create others. Maybe it was not even planned to do it now instantly. Anyway... not very brightly done. No plan or whatever was in place really. |
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<>master-P, care to explain how you managed to rack up csgo hours while you supposedly went out of town with no internet for two weeks thus unable to report your account being hacked?
If you bothered to read through this thread, you'd know that his Steam account was hacked. The noxious atmosphere of animosity and distrust you create is detrimental to conduct of sound business. are you saying that the hacker continued to play counter strike on master-P's account? part of the "framing" conspiracy I suppose? You clearly know nothing of today's hacking standards and practices. Failing to play CS would have proven disastrous: the hacker would have lost you as his white knight. To say nothing of the rest of pitchfork-wielding lynch mob. Unless, of course, you're being paid, in which case he wouldn't. But I'd never suggest such a thing -- it's simply beneath me. Which is not to say the thought hasn't crossed my mind. So if you feel like telling me, apropos of nothing, of your own accord, it's not like I'd hold it against you or anything. If you saw the posted graph showing the number of headshots in a certain timeframe then you should have wondered why the stats remained the same after his steam account was, like he claimed, hacked. Somehow the hacker had the same ability for this game? Guess if you want something to be true then there is no room for any other version.  So you think hacker who h4x0rd a trusted escrow's secured computer can't play CS as well as Master p, his victim? Or that he wouldn't temper his 1337 pwnage skillz, to appear less bombass than he really is? No wonder you get ripped off all the time  Where in the world do you see the sense to try to even play that stupid game to impersonate master-P? It was so unlikely that this proof came to light that no hacker would have cared about that. It's really astonishing what makes sense in your world. And the version that the hacker wanted to frame him... instead securing the coins and make them a safe loot he did nothing and played counterstrike, risking to lose 12k USD. Because he hates master-P so much. Well, guess in some parallel reality bubble it might make full sense.  If Master p really wanted to scam, wouldn't moving the coin be the first thing he'd do, to make it look like he was hacked? Guess you have not enough phantasy as to how a scammer with reputation might think. Like you know, i have. And it would make pretty much sense to scam that way. First start the scam. Do as if you were away and while you were gone something bad happened. Then scam the shit out of this forum. When someone starts an accusation thread and your account is burned with red trust then come up with the story of the account being sold. Might work at all. And when it didn't work because the story didn't match and it was clear that master-P still would be seen as the scammer then come up with the infamous "Hacker"-story. Well, it didn't work out but for some reason he thinks he will still be safe. Maybe his doxx is prepared? He had sent items to a wrong address so that everyone thinks an innocent person is master-P? Anyway, for some reason he felt comfortable enough to clear the escrow addresses and plan his drawback. As a precaution claim you will pay back (reminds me of maidak, did he actually pay back now?) and then pay back some little funds to make the victims shut the fuck up. Then you have time to make your drawback. Well, it makes not much sense to scam for that amount of money, except he feels secure because no one really knows who is the real master-P. And when he would live in some third world country then he could live like a king for some time. Another good thing for his feeling of safety might be that he thinks no one will sue him for that amount of money. At the end a lawsuit costs quite some money. Well, if he really pays back the funds or the account gets sold provable then i will remove my red trust. Though what happened lets me be pretty sure that it will never come to that point. Unfortunately. How about you think things through a bit, before slandering a trusted user account's good name with undeserved red trust?
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Ok guys, it seems kumala did not fix cryptostocks till now. I hope it will be done till the 11th but i don't have much hope.
Since the issuer had his problems with NXT, he prefers to use BTC only and had his problems to get his hands on NXT, we wanted to switch to a colored coins version. (It's better to have only one currency exchange in the line anyway.)
I know it's not cool to hear this, especially we had already much work with NXT, but it is how it is. So in order to make things move i would like to ask the shareholders about where to move from cryptostocks.
I heard there are a couple of working colored coins exchanges and i would like to hear suggestions or better, experiences you had with them. Which exchange should we use. It would be good when someone already tested one of these services. I then would see how it works and we can move the issuer to make the move.
Guys, i don't want to give the issuer another excuse as to why he can't send divs. So i would appreciate your help and hopefully we fnally get the shares moved to a working solution.
Thanks everyone!
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a good method, is by having a good escrow service, and help people who need someone to trust, you can begin to charge something very small to encourage new adopters, something like 0.1 at launch would suffice
Having a service being escrow or web related it the best way to start earning. It's also fair since you offer something usable. But let's face it most people want as many free bitcoins as possible. Nah man, it's hard to have a service being escrow is you don't have reputation in this forum. signature campaign and twitter campaign is still the best for me. I agree... even old escrows would probably earn more a week when doing signature posting than escrowing. It's way worse for a new escrow who has to find users that want to use him regularly first. Escrowing for the most part is not a well paid service, for most escrows it's more an idealistic job in an attempt to make it harder for scammers. |
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And yes, it is possible that multiple escrow accounts are the same person, in fact I would be surprised if there are not at least two high trust escrows that are the same person.
Quite possible when seeing the signature farmers who post with multiple accounts. They would only need to buy an old and established account. Though i think it will take alot more time to get that investment back than simply posting with that account in a signature campaign. On the other hand, they simply could do both and maximizing profit on the way... :| |
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This user: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=713018Is claiming that he had sent 3 BTC to the hacker and that I should repay @ 1DXK9kzGmaogXW1MPWNCc3nhSyohyhfenh Can anyone help confirm who this is because this user is PMing me using a new account and is refusing to post his evidence here that he sent 3 BTC to master-P. I'm not sending funds to any address that isn't being stated here publicly with evidence that funds are owed. I'm getting pretty fucking sick of this shit. I'm getting messages from people threatening me to pay to random addresses, clearly trying to take advantage of the situation. If you have evidence you sent money to master-P then please post it here and include an address you'd like funds sent to, otherwise you will be ignored and I don't give a fuck if you have my dox or not because my info is more or less public anyway. That was to be awaited. Don't worry, if scammers see a slight chance then they will try their luck. Of course you have no obligation to pay him anything since he provides no proof at all. I guess you should have encountered alot of this kind of people already when escrowing. No need to be astonished. Mark him a scammer and be done with him as long as he doesn't provide proof.  |
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<>master-P, care to explain how you managed to rack up csgo hours while you supposedly went out of town with no internet for two weeks thus unable to report your account being hacked?
If you bothered to read through this thread, you'd know that his Steam account was hacked. The noxious atmosphere of animosity and distrust you create is detrimental to conduct of sound business. are you saying that the hacker continued to play counter strike on master-P's account? part of the "framing" conspiracy I suppose? You clearly know nothing of today's hacking standards and practices. Failing to play CS would have proven disastrous: the hacker would have lost you as his white knight. To say nothing of the rest of pitchfork-wielding lynch mob. Unless, of course, you're being paid, in which case he wouldn't. But I'd never suggest such a thing -- it's simply beneath me. Which is not to say the thought hasn't crossed my mind. So if you feel like telling me, apropos of nothing, of your own accord, it's not like I'd hold it against you or anything. If you saw the posted graph showing the number of headshots in a certain timeframe then you should have wondered why the stats remained the same after his steam account was, like he claimed, hacked. Somehow the hacker had the same ability for this game? Guess if you want something to be true then there is no room for any other version. And the version that the hacker wanted to frame him... instead securing the coins and make them a safe loot he did nothing and played counterstrike, risking to lose 12k USD. Because he hates master-P so much. Well, guess in some parallel reality bubble it might make full sense. |
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Can you people have the decency to at least stay on topic or take your arguments elsewhere? This thread is for the people who got scammed by whoever took control of my account to be compensated. Get the fuck out of here if you're not one of the victims and are just trying to up your post count you worthless shits.
When i read you speaking that way i wonder how hard it must have been to be the friendly guy i learnt to know so that i even trusted you. Now it seems you can't write a single post where you not spread hate and namecalling. So i'm impressed by your actor ability but you really disappointed me. :| |
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For sure it's not. It's only the experience from the past that it is pretty hard to remove such immense amount of negative trust once it was given. Speaks volumes about this community, don't it? Easy to join the lynch mob, but when it's time to clean up the mess? Ain't nobody got time for that I burn master-P? Your mindset is really astonishing. Well, go ahead and auction the account. I think you will be very disappointed. But let me guess... when no one wants to buy it then it's my fault because i mentioned the obvious problems with that plan, right? There wouldn't be a problem if you didn't tar, feather & run him out of town on a rail. You can still patch things up and undo some of the harm you have done (not just to Master p and the hacker's victims, but to the whole community -- by destroying trust in its fundamental institution -- escrow). Yeah, you can still undo some of the damage, but you won't. Because you'd rather watch the world burn. So you want me to remove negative trust from master-P before it is in safe hands? Surely a great idea... for a scammer. And i'm happy how mighty you see me. As if iam could have done much to warn others. 1 negative trust point alone is from me. Now check how many he has. |
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Altcoin4Life asked me if i can provide the escrow part. I can do that regarding the Bitcoins involved. So the deal will go that way that i give an escrow address to both of the trading partners and i will receive the bitcoins from Altcoin4Life in this address. Once that happened the fiat will be send from the trading partner to Altcoin4Life's bank account. Once confirmed the bitcoins will be released to the the trading partner. Wish you good trades!  |
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Altcoin4Life asked me if i can provide the escrow part. I can do that regarding the Bitcoins involved. So the deal will go that way that i give an escrow address to both of the trading partners and i will receive the bitcoins from Altcoin4Life in this address. Once that happened the fiat will be send from the trading partner to Altcoin4Life's bank account. Once confirmed the bitcoins will be released to the the trading partner. Wish you good trades! |
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The Pharmacist, you'll sleep well because you got no skin in the game. Way to ruin the lives of those who do, I hope you're proud of yourself  What does it matter when iam only remove the red trust? Alot of people rated him negative. You would need to bring all of them to the point to remove the rating. I think that will be hard.
So it's too much trouble for the lynch mob to change their red trust to green, even if it means the victims would be reimbursed? Is that what the trust system is for? It's the escrow name that is burned. You burn Master p, so now 'ZOMG it's burnt'?! Nothing is burnt. If the account is bought for 20 BTC, it could escrow anything up to that without any problems. Some people just like to watch the world burn Where the fuck did that 20 BTC stem from, when all the fake figures I've seen were ~2 btc was supposedly paid for the account, which HAS been disproved? Yeah, that ludicrous 2 BTC claim pretty much unraveled the hacker's case -- everyone said that Master p account was worth way more. And that was *before* all the extra green trust that account gets when lynch mob changes their thoughtless red trust to green. It will be the forum's most trusted account, and as such, worth more than 20 BTC. Will pretty much drive the other escrows out of business. master-P's story of being hacked HAS been 100% disproved. Just repeating that ad nauseum won't make it any more true. You wanted your drama, you got it, enjoy. So what if your antics scared away Master p & cost the (hacker's) victims 20 BTC. No skin of your back It would have been worth way more because the master-p claimed he sold the escrow addresses with it. Who would sell an account for 2 bitcoins and gives 20 bitcoins in escrow addresses with it for free? It would be a sure profit for every scammer. That doesn't mean that the escrow forum account alone would be worth that much. And even then we would speak about an untarnished escrow account, which should be never sold at all. Now the escrow name is burned and i doubt anyone will pay much for it except for going into a signature campaign with it. |
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The Pharmacist, you'll sleep well because you got no skin in the game. Way to ruin the lives of those who do, I hope you're proud of yourself What does it matter when iam only remove the red trust? Alot of people rated him negative. You would need to bring all of them to the point to remove the rating. I think that will be hard.
So it's too much trouble for the lynch mob to change their red trust to green, even if it means the victims would be reimbursed? Is that what the trust system is for? It's the escrow name that is burned. You burn Master p, so now 'ZOMG it's burnt'?! Nothing is burnt. If the account is bought for 20 BTC, it could escrow anything up to that without any problems. Some people just like to watch the world burn Where the fuck did that 20 BTC stem from, when all the fake figures I've seen were ~2 btc was supposedly paid for the account, which HAS been disproved? He thinks that the account alone is some kind of turnkey escrow business and don't know how low rewarding the escrow work is when it comes to financial reward. So he thinks the business must be worth that much. |
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The Pharmacist, you'll sleep well because you got no skin in the game. Way to ruin the lives of those who do, I hope you're proud of yourself What does it matter when iam only remove the red trust? Alot of people rated him negative. You would need to bring all of them to the point to remove the rating. I think that will be hard.
So it's too much trouble for the lynch mob to change their red trust to green, even if it means the victims would be reimbursed? Is that what the trust system is for? For sure it's not. It's only the experience from the past that it is pretty hard to remove such immense amount of negative trust once it was given. It's the escrow name that is burned. You burn Master p, so now 'ZOMG it's burnt'?! Nothing is burnt. If the account is bought for 20 BTC, it could escrow anything up to that without any problems. Some people just like to watch the world burn I burn master-P? Your mindset is really astonishing. Well, go ahead and auction the account. I think you will be very disappointed. But let me guess... when no one wants to buy it then it's my fault because i mentioned the obvious problems with that plan, right? |
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Hi all,
I have read the discussion and I'll be glad if someone can solve a query. I am a student and have come from Asia and my parents would like to support me through bitcoins as the conventional methods cost a lot of money. Will I be taxed if I get money from Asia through bitcoins as I'll not be able to hold them for 1 year. Currently, I do not pay taxes (except few cents I get as Zinsen from my saving account here in Germany). I do have a Steuer ID. I'll be really glad if someone can help me regarding this.
You would need to make sure that your parents send the bitcoins from an address they control, so that they can sign a private message with and they can prove that it really were them who sent the coins. You would need to receive the coins in your own wallet too, then send it to your exchange, turn them to fiat and withdraw to your bank account. At the end it would be provable that these funds were sent from your parents. You can't be charged for something you received from your parents since it's not something you earned by working for it. If we in germany get money from someone we know and it is not a reward for a work then it is tax free of course. I'm only not fully sure if the transfer over a border can change anything. The one year holding time is of no matter to you at all at least. That's only my opinion on the matter though. Maybe someone other has a different opinion. Thanks for the reply. It appears the same for me. I need another opinion. I have got a bit coin account too in India. Which is more easier to prove my parents bit coin account or my account? I would make sure that you can prove both sides of the transaction by being able to sign a message with the sending address and the receiving address. For that you need the private keys of both addresses. Most wallets allow to get these. |
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Yeah, that has nothing to do with forbidding, save only for the fact that it essentially makes impossible to transact in cash over $10,000 on a regular basis. Feel the difference...
And the requirement to report is all-around (banks or no banks)
It is easy to transfer $10000 in bitcoin today. But when governments regulate bitcon transfer, the same limit might apply. How will they limit? They only could do that on the connection lines to the regulated exchanges and businesses. Anything going on inside bitcoin might not be traceable to easily. Think of bit-licences. Even if all transactions are in bitcoin, they might make it compulsory for companies to limit / track transactions. Most companies would like to stay on the right side of law and will comply with these regulations. Yeah, that would be the connection lines to the normal businesses. Though inside bitcoin there is no control. You can send 100k USD to china via bitcoin and no one could know. Depends on with who you trade i guess. |
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a good method, is by having a good escrow service, and help people who need someone to trust, you can begin to charge something very small to encourage new adopters, something like 0.1 at launch would suffice
With the recent incident where a reputable escrow scam people here on bitcointalk, I think running an escrow here is not a good idea in the meantime. The recent incident will somehow lower the trust of people (including me) on escrows here. That is a very sad news about escrow I have never heard a news about it and then your saying a well known escrow scam their btc that is so sad, it only shows that being human can lead you to make sin and I think he is waiting for an opportunity in fishing large transaction and hes aiming for the right time by gaining trust and a good service because that will be a high risk in making a plot that good. Unfortunately it seems to be that way. It was master-P, pretty well known escrow. :/ See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1306301.new#newStill, i hope that doesn't lead to more members don't using escrows since that, for sure, will allow way more scams. I know i prevented ALOT of scams by providing escrow. |
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I think I have another good idea:
Master p could auction his username, except for the lynch mob (most of them with no skin in the game) debasing the Master p value with negative trust. So what I'm thinking is guys, please remove the red trust, and leave green trust, so the name will be really valuable again. Master p will auction it off (it's almost like buying a turnkey escrow business), and he'll be able to pay back everyone sooner.
What does everyone think? But please, no knee-jerk insults and whining for "justice" from the torches & pitchforks peanut gallery.
Only constructive suggestions from those with some skin in the game.
@The Pharmacist: With all the hatred and trolling in these threads, why would he continue to communicate? Put yourself in his shoes.
IF it would be possible to take out all the red trust when the account gets bought by someone only to pay back victims with that then doing escrow with it would be pretty useless. Pretty much every customer till now knows that he was a scammer, so for escrowing it is worthless. The only chance would be to use a neutral trusted master-P-Account for signature campaigns. Changing the red trust to green is simple: go to trust & change your negative trust to positive. And why would the account be useless for escrowing when everyone will know that it was bought by a responsible new owner, who just spent 20 BTC on it? If the new owner scams, that's 20 BTC right down the flush. How is that in his enlightened self-interest?! Well, it won't happen since he would have to admit that his story of his account being hacked is not true. I mean everyone knows long ago but he still don't want to admit it.
Story of being hacked is not true? Source? You're basing your opinion on nothing but slanderous hearsay and flimsy circumstantial evidence, which is exactly what the h4xx3r wants you to do. Why would Master p start paying back, if he wanted to scam? All you & the rest of the angry mob here care about is vengeance, having no skin in the game. Thanks for ruining the value of his user account, the easiest way he could have paid everyone back (tho he didn't have to because it wasn't his fault) & making doubly sure that the hacker's victims won't see another penny. I hope it was worth it. What does it matter when iam only remove the red trust? Alot of people rated him negative. You would need to bring all of them to the point to remove the rating. I think that will be hard. It's the escrow name that is burned. I think he wrote he earned one bitcoin in the last year from donations for his escrow work. No way someone could pay 20 bitcoins for that account. And you know that bad news spread better than good news. I think less people will know that a new person owns the account than people would think it is a scammer. I would not await much escrow requests on that account at all. So why should the hacker want to frame master-P and leave that amount of coins laying around, risking that he can retrieve them with a copy of the private keys or mnemonic code? Iam not aware of anyone who could possibly hate him so much that he would risk 12K USD for it. And why did master-P wait 2 weeks and a scam accusation thread until he came out with the story that he was hacked? He would have known what would happen when he does not go through with his responsibilities for so long. It's not that i hear only on what others say but i see the story master-P claims to be true. A scammer surely could start to pay back, it happened alot. Start paying a little bit, then delay more and prevent the doxx. In the meanwhile the scammer vanishes. Guess you did not read what i wrote in the other thread. I think only the victims should decide about the doxx since all other users have nothing to gain from it except their curiosity pleased. If you really thought someone will pay 20 Bitcoins for such an account then we are back at the topic "delusional". By the way... at least i try to hunt down the scammers. That's why i know more than others about many scams and i can act accordingly. And don't worry, i see the chances realistically. I only fight to the end when possible. I don't like letting the bad guys get away. |
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I can't stand people that say they can hack and when it comes down to it they can't do it.
I guess they might be able to hack but it depends on the level of security of the site they want to get in. Professional hackers don't only use their computer, they use social engineering and similar things to exploit the human weakness in the game. Though still... some security setups might be simply too hard. |
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