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181  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BTC Investing To Now Taxable Events on: April 30, 2024, 05:59:18 AM
they dont mark cold storage as a red flag.. you have just heard that from your cult brethren who have their own motives. rather than reading actual regulations

as for people not paying tax, many do have ways to pay less tax, if you learn how
did you know in america you get tax breaks and rebates for many things even at poverty levels of income.. the sooner you learn the better your tax filings will result in paying less tax. but first you should learn them


 Roll Eyes

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When we were audited, the IRS crypto committee told our accountant that cold storage was a "huge red flag", https://twitter.com/bitcoinmom/status/1783616508310237525


I trust her words more than the words of a liar and a gaslighting-troll like you. After the disinformation that you have spread in the forum during 2016 and 2017 - during the scaling debate, telling newbies mere lies for you and your mentors' self-interests is very laughable. It would also be very laughable if people in the forum would currently trust you more than those people who gave you negative trust-ratings.
182  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Are Nassim Taleb's ideas useful in gambling? on: April 29, 2024, 09:09:04 AM

I have long wanted to discuss the following topic with users and participants in gambling discussions. Do you think Nassim Teleb's philosophy can be of any use in gambling? His various ideas and theories? Let me just list some of his ideas and you can comment on how, if any, benefits can be gained from this:

1. Ideas from the book “Fooled by Randomness.” There are many ideas that boil down to the fact that we often mistake randomness for a pattern.


This is very useful for those addicted gamblers, that keep on losing. They should learn that RNGesus is RANDOM, they're not being cheated, and their "losing streak" is merely a product of a random sequence of situations like the "winning streak".

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2. Ideas from the book “Black Swan”. Strategies based on anticipation of the Black Swan.


A strategy based on a theory that's based on an idea about something absolutely unpredictable? Prepare to lose all your Bitcoins. Hahaha.
183  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BTC Investing To Now Taxable Events on: April 29, 2024, 08:50:00 AM
the only options are to know enough taxlaw to know the loopholes to avoid tax in such events(legal)..

speak to an accountant/tax specialist


The TaxMan is always looking, you can't escape him.

if you use the exemptions in the tax law.. via researching and learning the tax law. even if the taxman is always looking. he cant do anything if your using their laws against them

tax avoidance(legal) is using their law exemptions(such as loans are non taxible)
tax evasion(illegal) is trying to play dumb, ignore laws and hide which is where you will get caught and cant escape

learn/research the difference


Get the context. None of that has changed the fact that the TaxMan is always looking and finding MORE reasons to take money from its citizens. Plus for ordinary people, what "tax exemptions" could they truly have? They're not like the rich who could set up corporations, and foundations.

if you are just cashing out small amounts like $10-$500 per time, then you just use the other exemptions like 'gifts'
if you are moving large amounts then you set up structures or use financial services set up

imagine CEX services but not set up as markets facilitating bids. but instead 'loan services' matching 'borrowers'(sellers) to 'loaners'(buyers)
same end result, different wording
just be sure to do your research to learn the exemptions.. then use them. there are many. but first you need to learn them so go research


You're merely talking about something else. Sure I will do the research, and sure an individual might have exemptions, but nothing from what you posted has changed the fact that the TaxMan is always looking and has always found reasons to tax you more. No one escapes the IRS, and every "exemption" you find, they will mark that as a "red flag" like how they marked something like cold-storage a "red flag".
184  Economy / Gambling / Re: ✨ Shuffle.com | The next generation of crypto casinos | Sports, Casino + token on: April 29, 2024, 06:11:25 AM
For those with Shuffle accounts and NBA fans out there, you might want to try your luck at winning $100. Simply follow this link and predict the winners of today's two NBA Playoffs games: https://twitter.com/shufflecom/status/1783127523221712997

You also need to comment your shuffle.com username for your prediction entry to be valid. *Consider this post to bump this thread. lol


Social media giveaway is always a hard pass for due to heavy number of participants while most of them can’t be verified if using multiple account for the entry. The giveaway post also received bunch of replies that makes it very hard to win.


For those kinds of giveaways, it's probably good to have the participants link their social media accounts used for the giveaway to their Shuffle accounts. The eligible participants will be the users who have made at least 10 bets in the casino during the past three months. I believe that wouldn't be very hard.

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I once very active on this social media giveaway but never won a single giveaway. I only focus on tournaments using wager or challenge that give guaranteed rewards once you secure place or the requirements. Keep us updated if you manage to be lucky on this kind of giveaway mate.


More fees paid = more rewards.
185  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BTC Investing To Now Taxable Events on: April 29, 2024, 05:37:07 AM
the only options are to know enough taxlaw to know the loopholes to avoid tax in such events(legal)..

speak to an accountant/tax specialist


The TaxMan is always looking, you can't escape him.

if you use the exemptions in the tax law.. via researching and learning the tax law. even if the taxman is always looking. he cant do anything if your using their laws against them

tax avoidance(legal) is using their law exemptions(such as loans are non taxible)
tax evasion(illegal) is trying to play dumb, ignore laws and hide which is where you will get caught and cant escape

learn/research the difference


Get the context. None of that has changed the fact that the TaxMan is always looking and finding MORE reasons to take money from its citizens. Plus for ordinary people, what "tax exemptions" could they truly have? They're not like the rich who could set up corporations, and foundations.

BUT there's nothing wrong with taxes IF they spend it for the benefit of their citizens. Finland has one of the highest tax rates, but they have free healthcare, free education, and other benefits.
186  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BTC Investing To Now Taxable Events on: April 29, 2024, 04:37:33 AM
moving any asset/commodity/security to fiat is a taxable event
but now CEX's have to report events, means the taxman has proof of events which you then hav to declare in your own filings

So what happens when you earn some Bitcoin online without buying it and then cash out?


TAXED. You can't escape the TaxMan. But you could also play a game of "what if I don't declare my Bitcoin Cash Outs" and see if you win. Probably for small amounts of Bitcoin, Uncle Sam might let that go. But for more than $10,000 which could alert the IRS and AML red-flags, you better be sure that you're keeping the receipts, and you should also know who the counter-party of the trades are?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
187  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: Wasabi Wallet - Open Source, Noncustodial Coinjoin Software on: April 29, 2024, 04:21:51 AM

Was that something that the Wasabi developers expected? When nopara73 left the team, I was very curious why, but I didn't want to ask that question in the forum because people might merely FUD make tin-foil hypotheses about Wasabi again. But currently it's known that Wasabi left the U.S., did nopara73 already know that that - Wasabi/zkSNACKS to leave U.S. - was going to happen? I believe he's the only developer that made his identity public, no?


I damn bet he knew. His departure announcement on Medium was suspiciously timed. I guess he didn't want to be part of the reputation smear that evidently the rest of Wasabi has been hit by, so who can blame him.


Perhaps he did, but to give him the benefit of the doubt, it's not the "reputation smear". I believe that many privacy tools developers might have started to talk with each other about a pending suppression by some state-level actors months before Samourai Wallet. Personally, nopara73 made the right decision for himself and if he has a family - wife/kids - them too. I would definitely do the same to be honest.

Where can everyone find newbie-friendly guides/ELI-5 instructions to boot-strap a coordinator?
188  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: No gambling today due to bitcoin high transaction fee. on: April 28, 2024, 09:31:49 AM
But the fees has already reduced. It's currently at 40sats/vB - 45sats/vB. That's low enough for many users. Plus I believe we had that level of fees before Runes was released during Block 840,000 - the halving block. Make your transactions now before it surges up again. Cool


The fee is currently at 2$ (31sat/vB). I notice that the fee usually go low on this level at night on my time zone for a consecutive days already. Probably there’s only few user inscribing on the blocks during this time slowly surge up again in the morning.

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Did the fast normalization of on-chain fees after Runes' launch indicate that it's not as successful as Ordinals? Ordinals made the fees surge high for two months.

I think Rune is worst since the price of Bitcoin is already high while the value of fee in sat is the same. I remember I can still send some transactions back then since the fee is just around 5$ to 10$ range during the ordinals which is bearable compared to the current fee on Rune which is insanely high.


How many transactions? I would definitely consider that mere luck. I had 45 sats/vB - 55 sats/vB transactions during the Ordinals "spam" and waited for more than two weeks before they got confirmed in the blockchain.

Ordinals was simply more popular with speculators and collectors because it was unexpected/surprised everyone. Runes was expected, and Ordinals users simply didn't care for the upgrade. BUT wait when the four-character ticker names and less become available.
189  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: Wasabi Wallet - Open Source, Noncustodial Coinjoin Software on: April 28, 2024, 09:18:10 AM
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Effective immediately and until further notice, zkSNACKs is now blocking U.S. citizens and residents from visiting its websites, downloading and using Wasabi Wallet and any related products and services, including APIs and RPC interfaces.

In light of recent announcements by U.S. authorities, zkSNACKs is now strictly prohibiting U.S. users from using its services. An IP address blocking for U.S. residents is effective on wasabiwallet.io, api.wasabiwallet.io and zksnacks.com.

“U.S.” refers to “United States” and includes the several states of the United States and related territories. If you are a United States Citizen or United States Resident, you are not allowed to visit any sites aforementioned, download Wasabi Wallet or use the Wasabi Wallet coinjoin feature. This includes if you are a U.S. permanent resident or if you are an individual that holds a U.S. passport.

https://blog.wasabiwallet.io/zksnacks-now-blocking-u-s-residents-and-citizens/


Was that something that the Wasabi developers expected? When nopara73 left the team, I was very curious why, but I didn't want to ask that question in the forum because people might merely FUD make tin-foil hypotheses about Wasabi again. But currently it's known that Wasabi left the U.S., did nopara73 already know that that - Wasabi/zkSNACKS to leave U.S. - was going to happen? I believe he's the only developer that made his identity public, no?
190  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BTC Investing To Now Taxable Events on: April 26, 2024, 11:45:38 AM
moving any asset/commodity/security to fiat is a taxable event
but now CEX's have to report events, means the taxman has proof of events which you then hav to declare in your own filings

the only options are to know enough taxlaw to know the loopholes to avoid tax in such events(legal).. or find ways to swap to fiat outside of reporting services to evade tax(illegal)

main tricks are what the elites do
dont 'spend' value(buy/sell), personally lend value as loans are not taxable
its literally a process similar to fiat exchanging, but word it right and create your own paperwork to show it worded as such, it suddenly becomes a double sided personal loan to each other which cancels each other out the same day(paid in full)

speak to an accountant/tax specialist


The TaxMan is always looking, you can't escape him.

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When we were audited, the IRS crypto committee told our accountant that cold storage was a "huge red flag", https://twitter.com/bitcoinmom/status/1783616508310237525


¯\_(ツ)_/¯

What's the best path for HODLers? Because they're making it an easier decision for long term investors NOT to declare anything to the TaxMan.

But if a user's coins went through a centralized exchange, doesn't the government already know, or at the minimum, can know that that user HODLs Bitcoin?
191  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: (Ordinals) BRC-20 needs to be removed on: April 26, 2024, 09:13:38 AM

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How are the Bitcoins in those payment channels in Lightning "IOUs"?


I think they are not. But if people say that coins in sidechains are, then coins in LN should also be called in the same way, if we follow the same logic.

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Where/how are the coins stored/locked and how are the "IOUs" issued?


You have IOUs only in centralized sidechains. For example: if you have a sidechain, where you have some large multisig, and you cannot be a miner, if you are not a part of some closed group, then those coins are IOUs. However, if you have decentralized sidechain, then you can use any scripts you want, because every block is covered only by hashrate, and not by some centrally-selected signature, like in signet.


OK, I actually have MANY questions for you. But before we go further, you're describing something like Paul Sztorc's Drivechains - BIP-300/ BIP-301?

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But, I'm confused, kindly explain to me how a Bitcoin-pegged-coin in a sidechain is an actual Bitcoin.


1. If you have to provide a valid signature for a given coin, to transfer it from mainchain into sidechain, then it is based on real coins, and not some "coins created out of thin air".

2. If you have to move a given coin on the mainchain, to bring it back from the sidechain to the mainchain, then it is the same situation as with LN: you can always peg-out, without asking for anyone's permission.

And those two things alone: sign things to peg them in, and move them to peg them out, is sufficient to make a test network for decentralized sidechains. However, if you want to get the main network, then it is all about creating rules for the scripts, used to lock your coins. Which means, that if you have a single-key address, then you can test it alone, but no sane person will accept some coins, if the sender can always take them back, without losing anything. For that reason, the basic building block for decentralized sidechains is N-of-N multisig, where you can have a lot of people behind a single UTXO. And then, all kinds of improvements are focused on making "emergency scripts", to for example not require all N participants to be online, to change the state of the sidechain.

Because if you would have for example non-interactive transaction joining, then a single Taproot UTXO is all you need, to handle a single decentralized sidechain. And then, it is all about combining all signatures from that sidechain, and finalizing it as a simple commitment on-chain, which would have a constant size, regardless of how many people will use a given sidechain.


Although, who secures the decentralized sidechains, and I assume that they follow different consensus rules? I believe the answer to "If it's Bitcoin?", that's where everything starts to be more complicated

Plus is it possible for a sidechain to fork away from Bitcoin, and never return?
192  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: No gambling today due to bitcoin high transaction fee. on: April 26, 2024, 05:40:58 AM
This high fee is probably due to the 4th halving that was completed. I haven't seen this type of transaction fee this hight.

If you look at https://mempool.emzy.de/, the current transaction fee is  over $50 but in the past few hours it was over $100... So if you are a gambler who doesn't gamble that much like your range is only $10 to $100, it's impossible you will choose to gamble today with that very high fees.

This is only for gamblers who use bitcoin as the payment method, how is going today? Who among us here can still afford to gamble?

there are so small  chance that the fee will reduce anytime soon because it has been running now for almost a week now and yeah i even stopped withdrawing or transacting into the bitcoin network.

and indeed that I don't wanted to gamble nowadays as my reserved altcoins to gamble have been loss yesterday lol.


But the fees has already reduced. It's currently at 40sats/vB - 45sats/vB. That's low enough for many users. Plus I believe we had that level of fees before Runes was released during Block 840,000 - the halving block. Make your transactions now before it surges up again. Cool

Did the fast normalization of on-chain fees after Runes' launch indicate that it's not as successful as Ordinals? Ordinals made the fees surge high for two months.
193  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Samourai Wallet seized by the feds on: April 26, 2024, 05:23:25 AM
OK, I believe this proves that the Samourai developers are NOT working for state actors, and the project itself is NOT a honeypot collecting information for intelligence agencies. This is a very sad day for Bitcoin privacy advocates. Kruw, some of your fellow developers were arrested, move on for today. Debate again tomorrow.

Why do you think it's too early to say "I told you so"? Samourai deliberately designed their wallet to collect user data by default and lied about it: https://twitter.com/SamouraiWallet/status/1576923638846005248

I opened an issue to have a warning displayed to users about the data they are leaking, Samourai closed it and later deleted it: https://web.archive.org/web/20230417145554/https://code.samourai.io/wallet/samourai-wallet-android/-/issues/458

I've spent an enormous amount of time warning people about the risks involved with this exact outcome. Now whatever data Samourai had is within arms reach of the Feds.


I'm not stopping you from having an opinion, or am I calling for you to stop posting what you believe is right and what you believe is the truth. I merely letting you understand that real people were arrested. They have families, and they don't want to be in their current situation.  I'm also asking you to PLEASE, keep quiet about Samourai for just a few days.

You may currently be annoyed by what I said, but I would tell other people to stop attacking Wasabi too if there were arrests made to their developers.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
194  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Samourai Wallet seized by the feds on: April 25, 2024, 03:10:49 PM
OK, I believe this proves that the Samourai developers are NOT working for state actors, and the project itself is NOT a honeypot collecting information for intelligence agencies. This is a very sad day for Bitcoin privacy advocates. Kruw, some of your fellow developers were arrested, move on for today. Debate again tomorrow.
195  Economy / Speculation / Re: Korean won tops US dollar and leads in crypto trading volume for Q1 on: April 25, 2024, 10:53:25 AM
Is South Korea looking for a safe-haven through Bitcoin? Because there were economists and geo-political analysts that were making negative projections on the effect of the U.S. CHIPS Act on the manufacturers of semi-conductors in Asia, including South Korea.

https://eastasiaforum.org/2023/11/26/us-chips-act-threatens-to-hollow-out-asian-semiconductor-industry/

Gold demand is also surging. Perhaps some nation-states expect a financial collapse? It might not start in the U.S., it might start in Asia.
196  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: No gambling today due to bitcoin high transaction fee. on: April 25, 2024, 08:41:01 AM
This is only for gamblers who use bitcoin as the payment method, how is going today? Who among us here can still afford to gamble?


Seriously the mempool is kind of congested, and the transaction fee is really high, if you are a gambler, and you gamble with just little amount of money, spending so much money on transaction fee just to deposit money doesn’t really make sense to me, so it’s just better to stop gambling for now, or if you are having any money in your gambling account, then you can keep on gambling with it pending when the transaction fee is going to drop, and you are going to deposit more money. I don’t think anyone will spend such a high amount of money on transaction fee just because they want to deposit like $20.


Yes this happens due to a big traffic of transactions that makes a market congested in the process. However, this won’t be any longer and we will eventually see fees going down, and right now the price is quite reasonable again.


It's because of Runes that started on April 20 - the day of the halving. But fees/congestion are actually not very bad today at 45sats/vB. It was Ordinals inscriptions that truly congested the network for two months. That was worse,

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But most likely for an addicted gambler, this may frustrate them but they’ll still find a way to gamble just to satisfy their urge in gambling. Only to find out they only lose in the end, and paying those high fees is already a loss itself. But what do you expect from a highly addicted one, of course they will never mind all those fees as long as they can continue to bet for more. Not actually a problem for big time gamblers, but for small gamblers, I guess this will really drive them crazy.


If they are willing to pay the high fees, they should do some gambling/shitcoining in Runes. I believe, currently, everyone might have a higher probability of taking some profit in Rune-shitcoining if they buy and hold for three months, than actual casino gambling.
197  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: (Ordinals) BRC-20 needs to be removed on: April 25, 2024, 08:25:11 AM
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But from my understanding of how the two-way peg works in sidechains is, on-chain Bitcoins are locked, then an equivalent amount of tokens are minted in the sidechain representing Bitcoin.
By using the same words, you could also say that about Lightning Network: "on-chain Bitcoins are locked" (behind 2-of-2 multisig), and also "then an equivalent amount of tokens are minted" (but here, it may be even worse, because of conversions between satoshis and millisatoshis, so you can "create millisatoshis out of thin air", because you cannot finalize them on-chain in the current version).

So, if you would have 2-of-2 multisig addresses on the sidechain, then what would be the difference? Because obviously, if you would have single-key addresses on the sidechain, then coins could be easily turned into IOU. However, if you would use exactly the same bytes as in LN, then where is the moment, when it is "not Bitcoin"?


OK, the frankandbeans debate.

I'm the stupid one in the forum, and I actually want to learn from the point you're making. Teach me. How are the Bitcoins in those payment channels in Lightning "IOUs"? Where/how are the coins stored/locked and how are the "IOUs" issued?

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The argument is rather than have an IOU representing a coin, I would like to have the actual coin.


It only depends on your spending conditions. If you have single-key address, then it can be turned into IOU, but it also has some use cases (for example as a test network). However, if you use the same scripts, as in LN, then where is that IOU?


I don't know. But, I'm confused, kindly explain to me how a Bitcoin-pegged-coin in a sidechain is an actual Bitcoin. What is the process of on-ramping Bitcoin in a sidechain, and what is the process of on-ramping Bitcoin in the Lightning Network.
198  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Runes will be worthless. Don't waste your precious BTC on huge fees. on: April 24, 2024, 05:41:20 PM
Bitcoin DeFi could be as big as Ethereum DeFi in my opinion.
If you think "Bitcoin DeFi" includes everything involving the currency "Bitcoin", then I can agree. So if you include tools like RGB/Taproot Assets, where some of the operations are taken off-chain, then I see a bright future for "Bitcoin DeFi".

But on-chain Bitcoin DeFi should be quite difficult, because Bitcoin's blocks are much more limited than Ethereum's, and thus the high fee problem will make many typical DeFi operations unfeasible. Some years ago, the Counterparty project intended to bring a extensive DeFi suite to Bitcoin but even the fees in 2016 (much lower than those today) were too high for an ecosystem to evolve, while Ethereum thrived. They had even planned Turing complete smart contracts (see here) but development stalled for a long time; more recently it seems to have made progress in this field again.

A "good" outcome could be that Runes people could develop a technology similar to OmniBolt using LN for Runes Transactions. But being aware that the Runes community is very much a spinoff of the Ordinals community and they were quite eager to put everything onchain, I doubt that.


I'm talking about everything built on top of Bitcoin that has the potential to unlock those Bitcoins that are being HODLed in users' wallets. It's an opportunity for Bitcoin-only people to do some shitcoinery that's truly denominated in Bitcoin/without currency conversion.

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BUT for those users who decide to pay for huge fees, they are technically not wasted. They pay the miners to secure the network and to continue mining new Bitcoins to distribute in the system.


From the standpoint of an user spending fees to "etch" or "mint" a rune which will never see a buyer, the money is wasted. Wink

I still am unsure if it's positive or negative that Runes fees are delaying the effects of halving to miners. I tend towards the latter: the miner income drop will come eventually, so it's currently only delaying it, with the cost of people leaving Bitcoin (delaying adoption "as a currency") because the network is more expensive to use.


It's very annoying for plebs like me who want cheap on-chain transactions.

To zoom out and to think about it from the whole network's viewpoint, it's actually neutral. The network keeps chugging along block after block, no consensus rule is broken, and the fee market works.

Positive for the miners because they are incentivized with more fees.
199  Economy / Speculation / Re: Buy the DIP, and HODL! on: April 24, 2024, 05:22:41 PM


I agree with you a lot Princess but I don’t agree with you about shitcoins not having a future, the way you sound right now makes me believe you think all other coins aside Bitcoin are shitcoins.


Actually, aren't they? Shitcoins are shit. Whether they have been shit for a while, or new . Why is Bitcoin so different from shitcoin?
Here's why.
 Bitcoin has value because it can be exchanged for and used in place of fiat currency, but it maintains a high exchange rate primarily because it is in demand by investors interested in the possibility of returns. . Emphasis on the last part.
Bitcoin can easily be traded for cash or assets like gold - instantly and with incredibly low fees. This makes Bitcoin a great investment for people looking for short-term profit, as well as those considering long-term investment due to its high market demand. The total number of BTC ever to be in existence is capped at 21 million. This scarcity creates a sense of value and exclusivity, similar to precious metals like gold. Insofar as the demand for Bitcoin increases over time, the limited supply acts as a catalyst, driving its price higher  and higher, do you get that?



Bitcoin (BTC)
Market cap
$1.30 Trillion
Current price
$66.221
.
Shitcoin 1(ETH)
Market cap
$390 Billion
Current price
$3,254
.
ShitCoin2 (BNB)
Market cap
$86.3 Billion
Current price
$577
.

Shitcoin 3(SOL)
Market cap
$69 Billion
Current price
$154.53

Investing in shitcoins is simply gambling. Shouldn't be referred to as investment.  If you didn't get it, read it again. Any and every coin that isn't Bitcoin is shitty. Bitcoin has proven to be the one and only time and time again.


That's actually not the right explanation on what makes a shitcoin a shitcoin. Or it's probably just people having different definitions on what shitcoins actually are. BUT if you ask me, shitcoins are those networks that have incentive structures that don't make sense. They may be sort of working today, but that doesn't mean there isn't an attack vector that could be exploited tomorrow.

Those coins that you have in your list all use Proof of Stake. That itself makes POS networks open to attack vectors that could originate from flaws in its incentive-structure.

Actually, you're right, but then aren't they shitcoins though? I made a list of the 'top' shitcoins behind Bitcoin. Not implying that market cap is what makes a coin shitty, but there's that though, to some extent.

In the end, they're all shitcoins, regardless of your definition of the term, Reason being that all and every coin besides Bitcoin is shitty, given that there doesn't exist any coin now that's a btc alternative.


Ethereum, before they converted their network to POS, had a large network of miners that secured their blockchain to "maybe" not deserve to be called it a shitcoin. But after the switch, which they threw the best part of their network out of the window, then it became a shitcoin. That's merely from my personal definition. POS coins are shitcoins, and their community should probably research, discuss, and debate about the incentive-structure of POS and how the game-theory is different from POW blockchains, and probably why it doesn't actually work. But I'm the stupid one, they can make a straw man and gaslight me.
200  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: (Ordinals) BRC-20 needs to be removed on: April 24, 2024, 03:57:22 PM
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the transactions in those channels would not be Bitcoin


It depends on your implementation. If you have some data, which can be turned into valid Bitcoin transaction, and broadcasted into Bitcoin network, then it is technically Bitcoin.


I don't know what you're inventing, but if it's from a sidechain that merely represents a Bitcoin, then it's an IOU of a Bitcoin.

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They would merely pegged assets from the sidechain.


I wonder, why some people think, that transactions, which they create on LN, and are saved only on their local nodes, are Bitcoin, but if you put exactly the same transactions on the sidechain, then they suddenly are not. You can use exactly the same bytes, and just put them on sidechain, so the only difference is that instead of keeping things locally, you will share more of them with other nodes. But the data behind all of that, could contain exactly the same bytes. And if something is secret (for example some penalty transactions), then it could be encrypted, and shared, so if some node will see some old channel state, then that node will decrypt it, and act as a watchtower, by sharing the penalty transaction with everyone else.


OK, I may be wrong. But from my understanding of how the two-way peg works in sidechains is, on-chain Bitcoins are locked, then an equivalent amount of tokens are minted in the sidechain representing Bitcoin.

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So for that matter, I would much rather have Lightning on Litecoin.


So, your argument is that "the transactions in those channels would not be Bitcoin", and your solution is to specifically use some altcoin, which definitely "would not be Bitcoin"?


The argument is rather than have an IOU representing a coin, I would like to have the actual coin. The debate is not Bitcoin vs. "use some altcoin".
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