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1101  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Cool mining set up that more miners should copy. on: July 09, 2023, 09:47:36 AM
The replies in the topic are both positive and negative. For those who replied negatively, listen, it's probably just a prototype showing that it could be done. Because why not, right? If they could run it more efficient enough to actually make some profit, they could be starting a new kind of small scale business for used oil disposal. It's very amazing that Bitcoin could fill in gaps and incentivize people to make some facets of the real world more efficient. Don't shut your minds from ideas.

If it's actually feasible to do as a profitable business is a different debate. Perhaps philipma1957 could give us his personal opinion. Cool
1102  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: "Not your keys, Not your coins" is not enough on: July 07, 2023, 07:35:29 PM

Well, thinking that way, Bitcoin is everything other than decentralized p2p payment method that doesn't depend on 3rd parties. Actually, you depend on 3rd parties, including miners and node runners.


It all starts with one full node, just like how Satoshi started to bootstrap the network. Each node is a peer, and in itself both a server and a client. The network needs multiple peers to be an actual network, but saying a single full node depends on other full nodes in your context, is wrong. Each node independently validates.

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If nodes don't broadcast and if miners don't include your transaction in the next block, you won't be able to finalize transaction. You also depend on Core developers, internet service providers, on electricity and so on.


That's true, but the genius of Satoshi's creation is in its incentive structure. If a miner won't include your transaction in the next block, another miner will and take the fees. It would have been better for that miner to maximize its own profit than giving opportunities to the other miners.

My whole point in my post was to briefly explain to NotATether that using DEX for exchanging crypto is not actually a centralized way and if we think that technically it's a centralized way, then we can consider absolutely everything about bitcoin to be centralized. That was just my point, that's all.


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Btw guys, have you thought about what would be Bitcoin's price if centralized exchanges didn't exist? Or how massively adopt it would be? I am not a CEX fan but it has its pros and cons that we can't deny.


Bitcoin's price discovery would be more inefficient caused by lower liquidity, which would therefore make the market more volatile.

Adoption would also be slower because it would be harder for everyone to buy their first Bitcoins. It's another reason why ransomware hackers and the dark markets still use Bitcoin instead of the more privacy-enhanced cryptocurrencies because Bitcoin is easier to find and purchase.
1103  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Cool mining set up that more miners should copy. on: July 07, 2023, 06:12:40 PM
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This #Bitcoin mining farm in Guatemala 🇬🇹 is running on vegetable oil, helping restaurants from throwing it at a local lake ⛏️

https://twitter.com/LuxorTechTeam/status/1677041481486327808


Video included in the tweet. I believe philipma1957 will like it.

Cool

The mining set up not just helps secure the network and profits in Bitcoin, it also helps restaurants dispose of their waste. It's another illustration of how the incentive structure within Bitcoin fills gaps in the real world and make it better.

The same example as the "ransomware market" that I keep on repeating like a broken record. Haha.

Lol. Its running on vegetable oil or is it just cooled by vegetable oil? Both seem like bad ideas to be honest.  Grin

I heard that you can even mix in vegetable oil with diesel or run modern diesel cars (with a few tweaks) on pure vegetable oil and for the short term, everything will be fine, performance-wise. But in the mid term or long term it will absolutely gunk up and destroy the car's engine.

The same must be true for electricity generation for Bitcoin mining. At some point in the very near future the vegetable oil will gunk up everything and the motor will stop working. Why not just use old motor oil or something? Hell, you could even melt down and distill plastic into use-able fuel which won't gunk up the motor (much).


It's not without its own solutions though.

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Modified fuel systems

Most diesel car engines are suitable for the use of straight vegetable oil (SVO), also commonly called pure plant oil (PPO), with certain modifications. Principally, the viscosity and surface tension of the SVO/PPO must be reduced by preheating it, typically by using waste heat from the engine or electricity; otherwise, poor atomization, incomplete combustion, and carbonization may result. One common solution is to add a heat exchanger and an additional fuel tank for the petrodiesel or biodiesel blend and to switch between this additional tank and the main tank of SVO/PPO. The engine is started on diesel, switched over to vegetable oil as soon as it is warmed up, and switched back to diesel shortly before being switched off to ensure that no vegetable oil remains in the engine or fuel lines when it is started from cold again. In colder climates it is often necessary to heat the vegetable oil fuel lines and tank as it can become very viscous and even solidify.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetable_oil_fuel


Human ingenuity.

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But I do like the idea of using waste to fuel Bitcoin mining. Another good idea would be to ferment alcohol from scraps or methane gas from cow dungWink


I think philipma1957 posted something about starting a small scale mining farm that uses methane as an energy source besides his solar mining enterprise.
1104  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Education and money as the key to Bitcoin adoption. on: July 07, 2023, 04:52:50 PM
It's really important not to oversell Bitcoin because that can cause a lot of negative reactions from people and associations with scams, Ponzi schemes that people promote because they really need others to join.

If there's a community that doesn't have the Internet connection, I think working on providing that connections and helping to learn the basics of using the Internet. Such people don't need to learn about Bitcoin unless they're really interested because first things first.

As for knowledge not being a waste, even if a person doesn't have enough money to invest into Bitcoin, I agree with the op on that.


In the context of "not overselling" to onboard people, it's also very important to tell people Bitcoin's limitations and how ownership of Bitcoins require total responsibility from the person himself/herself. Lose your keys, then you lose your Bitcoins. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

People should be ready to take responsibility to own their first coins because if they can't, they shouldn't own Bitcoin OR they should probably start wih a very small amount.
1105  Economy / Speculation / Re: Buy the DIP, and HODL! on: July 07, 2023, 04:26:26 PM

Only if you're not in your right mind would you trade diamonds for copper lol.


That's true, but if a person has the skills and the capital to trade for copper, then return with more diamonds, why not make the trade?

If Bitcoin is to be money, use it as money. HODL it, trade it, spend it, lose it, earn it. Cool

Personally, I neither have the skills nor the willingness to take any risk. But to those who do it and do it successfully, I tip my hat.

That's the problem. As I said in the previous article, I also do not prohibit if someone really wants that but in other conditions of course in this case we must be aware of our capacity and if you are not able to do that then do not have high expectations, especially doing crazy things like exchanging bitcoin and switching to altcoins in the hope of higher returns after that you can buy bitcoin again with a larger amount of money.


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But if a newbie asks for advice like those people in the Trading subforum, just tell them the truth that 90% of "traders" lose their money to the 10% of traders who "participate" in the market. I keep on repeating, how can plebs like us profit consistently from well-capitalized traders with their armies of bots? We simply can't!

Furthermore, time for a shower thought. We know the macro-economics and the geo-political side of things remain to be in a bad situation. What if during 2024, the recession arrives causing everything to crash just like 2020 when the pandemic happened.

Shocked

Possible?
1106  Bitcoin / Mining / Cool mining set up that more miners should copy. on: July 07, 2023, 03:19:27 PM
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This #Bitcoin mining farm in Guatemala 🇬🇹 is running on vegetable oil, helping restaurants from throwing it at a local lake ⛏️

https://twitter.com/LuxorTechTeam/status/1677041481486327808


Video included in the tweet. I believe philipma1957 will like it.

Cool

The mining set up not just helps secure the network and profits in Bitcoin, it also helps restaurants dispose of their waste. It's another illustration of how the incentive structure within Bitcoin fills gaps in the real world and make it better.

The same example as the "ransomware market" that I keep on repeating like a broken record. Haha.
1107  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: "Not your keys, Not your coins" is not enough on: July 07, 2023, 03:07:09 PM

Well, thinking that way, Bitcoin is everything other than decentralized p2p payment method that doesn't depend on 3rd parties. Actually, you depend on 3rd parties, including miners and node runners.


It all starts with one full node, just like how Satoshi started to bootstrap the network. Each node is a peer, and in itself both a server and a client. The network needs multiple peers to be an actual network, but saying a single full node depends on other full nodes in your context, is wrong. Each node independently validates.

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If nodes don't broadcast and if miners don't include your transaction in the next block, you won't be able to finalize transaction. You also depend on Core developers, internet service providers, on electricity and so on.


That's true, but the genius of Satoshi's creation is in its incentive structure. If a miner won't include your transaction in the next block, another miner will and take the fees. It would have been better for that miner to maximize its own profit than giving opportunities to the other miners.
1108  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Replacement for POW on: July 06, 2023, 11:51:06 AM
Dragging up this thread. eth is discussing staking at 2048 coins not 32

https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/06/19/ethereum-developers-propose-raising-validator-limit-to-2048-ether-from-32-ether/


and that is why POS is piece of shit

the very idea they have the balls to talk about doing that shows how fucked up staking can be.


Woah thats crazy that they are actually thinking about doing that. I don't even get why they made the 32 ETH thing in the first place. Lots of other PoS coins don't have a minimum size to stake at all, or if they do it's a lot less than that amount of money. Ethereum seems to be the most complicated and centralized version of PoS out there.

If they changed it to 2048 ETH lol literally you'd probably only have a few dozen stakers. Centralized ones like liquid staking pools and exchanges, plus the ETH founders and initial investors, and anyone who was lucky enough to buy a bunch of ETH before 2017 and hold onto it. Basically the ETH network would be validated by a few very wealthy people plus centralized services.


It's going to encourage staking pools, like how Bitcoin mining evolved from solo-mining to the implementation of mining pools because competition between miners is too high and the activity itself has become more specialzed.

Perhaps the Ethereum developers are trying to mimic the evolution of Bitcoin mining by increasing the minimum amount to stake?

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It's funny when people who don't know what they are talking about try to say that Bitcoin should move to PoS like Ethereum lol. I actually saw some rant online a week or two ago where someone was arguing that Bitcoin is bad because even though Bitcoiners say they will eventually move to PoS they won't really do it. All I could think was who in the heck was this guy talking to who said Bitcoin would move to PoS lol, no Bitcoiners talk about switching away from PoW, he must have been talking to some people who were pranking him haha. Only the people who don't know the value of Bitcoin would say such a thing.


Relax and be patient. If they stay long enough they too shall understand how everything in the network sticks together, and that POW is in the center of it all.
1109  Economy / Economics / Re: The new U.S.-China agreement is a "forced friendship. What awaits the world ? on: July 06, 2023, 11:31:12 AM
Today the world heard:  "The U.S. does not support Taiwan's independence and has no intention of engaging in conflict with China."

U.S. Secretary of State Anthony Blinken said this during a meeting with Chinese leader Xi Jinping in Beijing.

This is me smiling at Taiwan when they thought they had gotten a strong ally in the US. I can't imagine them (US) going to something close to war with China because deep down they need these guys to survive and Xi Jingping knows it.
Imagine the lame excuse being given for their reason to renege; refusing to support any unilateral changes to the status quo. I mean, this is just plain cowardly behavior because you supply arms to them yet avoid any official diplomatic contact.

My opinion is that neither China nor the United States needs a new global conflict. But this does not mean that the U.S. has "bent over" to China. I have confidence that although Taiwan has become somewhat of a hostage to the current, complicated, international situation, but... The terms of Taiwan's "return" will be exclusively according to China's rules. My opinion is that there will be an agreement on sufficiently broad autonomy for Taiwan.
I have written more than once that in my opinion it will be a "showcase peace treaty" with the Chinese CCP presenting it as "China's great victory over Western hegemony", but there will be "nuances" that will not be publicly talked about. This includes China's concessions not to support Russia as an international terrorist. The world is already tired of cataclysms - KOVID, the light version of the third world war, etc. Again, let me remind you that China needs Taiwan as a working leading manufacturer of microelectronics, and any forceful solution to this "issue" will lead to the total destruction of Taiwan's unique economic sector.


If you ask me, I believe it will be China who will start bending over. China's economy is currently in a worse than expected state after the COVID-19 restrictions were lifted. Some economists/analysts mistakenly projected that the Chinese people will start spending most of their savings in goods and services after lockdowns, BUT they were obviously very wrong. They later found out that Chinese consumers are not like American consumers because Asians have more tendencies to save than the people living in the United States.

I already posted about the possble recession coming in the U.S. and Europe because of QT, which will hurt China more because the U.S. and its allies are the biggest importers of Chinese goods.
1110  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: "Not your keys, Not your coins" is not enough on: July 06, 2023, 08:07:13 AM

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Everything you just posted are simply lies. Sorry frankandbeans, but two Bitcoin Core developers won't give you negative trust ratings for no reason. Plebs and newbies will have to look into them and decide. If you trick them once, shame on you, if you trick them twice, shame on them. But I'm confident they will learn, either the easy way or the hard way.


But in terms of the actual topic, which is monetary sovereignty and control over your own funds, both on-chain and off-chain have options that allow you to be your own bank.  LN has options if you want to sacrifice sovereignty for convenience, just like on-chain does.  I'd always encourage people to explore the options where they retain full control of their funds, but with the disclaimer that personal responsibility is vitally important.  Make sure you know what you're doing before you commence with self-custody.  That's for both on-chain or off-chain, but particularly off-chain as there's a steeper learning curve and more to actively manage.


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1111  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Larry Fink of the day, Larry Fink of today on: July 06, 2023, 05:20:20 AM
"BlackRock" CEO Larry Fink made an anti-Bitcoin comment on Bitcoin in October 2017 and called Bitcoin a significant tool for money laundering. At the time, Larry Fink was a staunch opponent of Bitcoin.



It's laughable to be with an opinion that Bitcoin used for Money Laundering is "bad". Money Laundering by nefarious entities in itself is bad, yes, but the fact that Bitcoin can be used for Money Laundering effectively merely shows that "Bitcoin", as technically designed, actually WORKS. We should be comforted by the fact that our magic internet coins work as advertised. Cool

When rich people don't own Bitcoin, they make negative statements about it, because they don't want others to invest in it, and instead put money into assets that they already hold. But once they buy Bitcoin, they start praising it as the best thing ever. This happened with Michael Saylor - he went from Bitcoin critic to second Bitcoin Jesus.

But I don't trust their words. They are not Bitcoin enthusiasts, they are getting filthy rich enthusiasts.

Yeah, it's all business for them, if you can't beat them, then join them attitude.

Speaking of Michael Saylor, this is now the (in)famous tweet,



https://twitter.com/saylor/status/413478389329428480

At least though, he attacks and then admit that Bitcoin is really different and now becoming the biggest personality in the bitcoin market.


He realized his mistake when he personally had problems of moving his money out of Argentina. It's one example of someone who truly learned the hard way. He knew that if he used Bitcoin, he would have moved that money out with merely a few clicks.
1112  Economy / Services / Re: [CFNP] SINBAD.IO [Mix Your BTC Quickly] Signature Campaign | Up-to $150/w on: July 06, 2023, 05:07:54 AM
Welcome to the campaign, Trofo and dkbit98!

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1113  Economy / Speculation / Re: Buy the DIP, and HODL! on: July 05, 2023, 08:03:52 AM
Yeah and what's there to wait for? Because for the past twelve months the whole community, including altcoins, has experienced LUNA crash, FTX bankruptcy, other centralized services bankruptcies, the bank runs in the U.S., and the SEC FUD. Bitcoin is still above $30,000, close to +100% since November!

It's not that I'm too arrogant, yes, regarding the matter of certainty, for me altcoins cannot be placed on long-term expectations and returns cannot be expected like Bitcoin.

Altcoin holders can argue that my opinion about the altcoin is wrong because more than twelve months I have seen several of them that are considered to have the potential to actually cause big problems, such as FTX and LUNA.

It is not impossible that other altcoins that have looked good so far and have the potential to suffer the same fate as the two types of coins we have said.

In contrast to Bitcoin which is still and will continue to be used as a hope.


Actually there are certain periods during bull cycles when altcoins give higher returns than Bitcoin, and it's wise to trade some of your Bitcoin to take advantage of the volatility. But personally, I prefer my sanity over more profit. Hahaha. Plus I'm simply not a good trader. I lose more than I profit, so if people will come to me to ask for investment advice, I'll just tell them what I know = It's Pleb Life, HODL Bitcoin.

Only if you're not in your right mind would you trade diamonds for copper lol.


That's true, but if a person has the skills and the capital to trade for copper, then return with more diamonds, why not make the trade?

If Bitcoin is to be money, use it as money. HODL it, trade it, spend it, lose it, earn it. Cool

Personally, I neither have the skills nor the willingness to take any risk. But to those who do it and do it successfully, I tip my hat.
1114  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: "Not your keys, Not your coins" is not enough on: July 05, 2023, 07:51:44 AM

but i see how now you want to make an altnet pretend to be more bitcoiny than bitcoin..


No one is debating that LN is more "bitcoiny" than the base layer. I'm merely making it known that you are spreading disinformation and that everyone should read your trust rating. You are NOT to be trusted.

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as for the second IOU status


Point which centralized entity issued an IOU. You use confusing descriptions and complex nonesense to make it look to the plebs that you know, but what you're truly doing is just misinforming the newbies.

Remember when you said that BCash is "also Bitcoin" because the network "bilaterally split into two"? Yes franknbeans, we remember.
1115  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: "Not your keys, Not your coins" is not enough on: July 04, 2023, 01:48:40 PM
I do wish more people saw it that way.  Imagine you are satoshi.  You've just designed a revolutionary new peer-to-peer protocol, where Person A can send funds to Person B without any intermediaries blocking the transaction, freezing funds, harvesting user data, etc.  And then the first thing people do with it is introduce middlemen who do all of those terrible things and more.  Wouldn't you be disappointed/annoyed/saddened by that?
That aside, there is a tiny difference here, Satoshi would be probably mad if you would use an intermediary to pay with Bitcoins, such a coinbase or Binance account, but if we talk strictly about buying and selling bitcoins for $ there is little alternative to a third party. Oh, you don't use Binance you sue Bisq, but you still get your fiat in a bank account, via WU, via Swish or any other payment method.

doomads post history for years is his preference that people use middlemen(channel+routing partner) for payments. heck he even celebrates services that middleman the $->altnet token IOU's but he hates people using the same service to $->legacy bitcoin.


The classic frankandbeans FUD. Plenty of disinformation for newbies to absorb, no?

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There's no middleman in the Lightning Network, those are actually peers. Bitcoin Lightning Network is technically more a peer to peer network than Bitcoin's base layer.

There are no IOUs issued in the Lightning Network. Bitcoins locked in LN channels are signed transactions. They can be broadcasted to the Bitcoin network and be included in the blockchain.
1116  Economy / Economics / Re: The new U.S.-China agreement is a "forced friendship. What awaits the world ? on: July 04, 2023, 11:36:22 AM
Like it or not, China has begun to change its rhetoric and OFFICIAL POSITION in a big way.
Brussels, Belgium. China's representative to the European Union said that Beijing has nothing against Ukraine's desire to restore its territorial integrity to its 1991 borders, including Crimea, the peninsula annexed by Russia in 2014.
In a recent interview with Al Jazeera and two other media outlets, when asked about Fu Kong's support for Kiev's goals, including the return of other Ukrainian regions now occupied by Russia, the senior Chinese diplomat said: "I don't see why not.

Judging by China's sharply changed rhetoric, Putin is already a downed pilot for Beijing ....


Probably because China has recognized the fact that its economy's growth can't be sustained without the U.S. and its allies. Economic prosperity for them should also mean economic prosperity for the West because who are among the largest consumers of Chinese exports? THE WEST! China's domestic demand definitely can't support their economy.

China is getting desperate and they need the West to pivot to QE, but it will continue to tighten as long as inflation is high, unemployment is low, and as long as markets don't crash.
1117  Economy / Speculation / Re: Buy the DIP, and HODL! on: July 04, 2023, 11:11:23 AM
Yeah and what's there to wait for? Because for the past twelve months the whole community, including altcoins, has experienced LUNA crash, FTX bankruptcy, other centralized services bankruptcies, the bank runs in the U.S., and the SEC FUD. Bitcoin is still above $30,000, close to +100% since November!

It's not that I'm too arrogant, yes, regarding the matter of certainty, for me altcoins cannot be placed on long-term expectations and returns cannot be expected like Bitcoin.

Altcoin holders can argue that my opinion about the altcoin is wrong because more than twelve months I have seen several of them that are considered to have the potential to actually cause big problems, such as FTX and LUNA.

It is not impossible that other altcoins that have looked good so far and have the potential to suffer the same fate as the two types of coins we have said.

In contrast to Bitcoin which is still and will continue to be used as a hope.


Actually there are certain periods during bull cycles when altcoins give higher returns than Bitcoin, and it's wise to trade some of your Bitcoin to take advantage of the volatility. But personally, I prefer my sanity over more profit. Hahaha. Plus I'm simply not a good trader. I lose more than I profit, so if people will come to me to ask for investment advice, I'll just tell them what I know = It's Pleb Life, HODL Bitcoin.
1118  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Microstrategy bought more bitcoin on: July 04, 2023, 05:56:24 AM
Michael Saylor is a Giga Chad, he won't sell for profit. I believe he's in a long term journey with those who truly understand that the world needs something like Bitcoin to exist. - A fall-back/back-up for the current financial system just in case it collapses.

Why not? The profits it gets benefits the company and everything to its future investment plans. Also, it's a company owned by multiple people who have shares and doesn't have 1 person to do the decision making. I know how bullish to bitcoin Saylor is, but a company/incorporated such as microstrategy doesn't work like that.


Because Bitcoin is like any other sound investment/asset, like long term value-stocks with good fundamentals, and a long term store of value like Gold. Zoom out both the Dow Jones and Gold to the maximum to give yourself an example.

It's also more valuable for the company to keep on HODLing because it itself makes the company more valuable. If the company needs fiat or wants to hold fiat as hedge, they borrow against the asset, not sell.

Plus if there is going to be some selling, there's also going to be some buying. It's not going to be just "for profit". They don't play pleb-games like us.
1119  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Microstrategy bought more bitcoin on: July 03, 2023, 11:30:45 AM
Do you think when there's an ATH they will dump all their holdings?
If they sell on bull run i don't mind i guess there wont be any significant change but if they sell in bear market that would be the worst case scenario cause it will have huge effect on the market probably we will experience a very long bear season.


Michael Saylor is a Giga Chad, he won't sell for profit. I believe he's in a long term journey with those who truly understand that the world needs something like Bitcoin to exist. - A fall-back/back-up for the current financial system just in case it collapses.

It also doesn't have to be as fast as its centralized counterparts. It only needs to be dependable in what it does to be an effective alternative, giving its users censorship-resistance and self-sovereignty.

Furthermore, remember when FUDsters were saying that there was a high probability that Saylor will lose his investment?
1120  Economy / Speculation / Re: Buy the DIP, and HODL! on: July 03, 2023, 09:45:06 AM
Possibility or not for Bitcoin return back below $30,000 due halving time almost close, I don't have ideas what have to do right now between reinvesting or sell and buy back later when bitcoin has chance back to lower price.
If in doubt it's your decision now, because we never know where bitcoin will go to the bullish or bear market is still unpredictable, but if you want a lower price then wait.

Yeah.. wait for your lower price (referring to armanda90).

That may or may not end up happening..  then you end up FOMOing in at $50k because you really wanted to buy, but you were too greedy to do it right away.. and you don't even have to buy all of it right away.. but hey people have to make their own decisions, and we have seen a lot of examples historically of guys who were waiting for a lower price an then they become bitter because they failed to buy and they thought for sure that they were right about a lower price was going to happen, and such lower price did not end up happening.


I agree, those who waits might lost the game in the long run. We've heard people here and from other social media outlets how they wanted to buy but they want to get it cheaper. Well in the first place, price has always been cheap for bitcoin specially in a bear market. That's why I will say that there are two sets of individuals here, those who are smart enough to recognized and buy discounted bitcoin anytime, and then there are those who always says they wanted to buy but not doing it because they wanted it to decline more. This kind of opportunity like seeing a lowest low might just come once or twice and if you don't buy that time and keeps on believing that the price will continue to go down, then you lost already. As the saying goes opportunity knocks only once.


Yeah and what's there to wait for? Because for the past twelve months the whole community, including altcoins, has experienced LUNA crash, FTX bankruptcy, other centralized services bankruptcies, the bank runs in the U.S., and the SEC FUD. Bitcoin is still above $30,000, close to +100% since November!

It's either DCA or buy every DIP, like during the time I started this topic.

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