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1061  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Lightning Network Observer on: July 22, 2023, 09:38:59 AM
funny part is that more people use CEX internal reserve swaps between services and stable coin by a magnitude of 1,000,000x compared to LN
the reason people avoid the bitcoin network first and then use CEX second and then use ln 7th (other bridge subnetworks exist with more liquidity 3-6) is due primarily due to high onchain fees.

yep people avoid the bitcoin network due to fee's not due to (lack of)successes of other flawed systems

funny part is instead of fixing flaws to make it better they just want to promote any hype they can find
especially when if you really observe you will find the initiation of LN was inspired by the hyperledger project(institutions gathering to prototype CBDC, asking bitcoin devs to develop and sandbox test CDBC methodology on subnetworks)

so ofcourse a FED is going to suck eggs about something they pushed for years prior. as its the basis of their own project


Yes yes, and the way to fix those flaws to make onchain fees lower is simply to hard fork to bigger blocks like BCash, right, right? Noted.

It has been debated here in the forum before. It will be challenging for users to run Lightning nodes altruistically forever. There will be opportunity costs because Bitcoin = a form of capital. There must be enough incentives for all that capital to be locked in those channels. If not, then the result is simple. They leave.

you really are not learning much are you. you are reading buzzwords and snippets and repeating them like a robot. but you are not actually learning or understanding..


And what was that I'm not learning much? What "buzzwords" am I reading and keep repeating but I don't actually understand? Are you telling me that the Core developers are giving out false information and they're scammers? That they shouldn't be the rightful stewards of the network? We've heard it all before, frankyandbeans. But it's time to move on. You probably should go to a BCash forum and talk about your issues there. After two Bitcoin Core developers gave you two negative trust ratings, why should people, especially newbies, listen to you? You're a troll.

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 Roll Eyes

If the Lightning Network is as bad as you say, then OK. But that doesn't signify that the developers should stop working on it or users should stop using it just because of your trolling-opinion. Plus what's very great about it is it never needed anyone's permission to be built on Bitcoin.
1062  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: NFT Idea: Prove Funds to Mint on: July 21, 2023, 04:15:06 PM

But look where "Loaded" is now, and where he actually got his Bitcoins from. It was probably better for him to have stayed quiet and worked harder on his OPSEC.

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Also, may I remind you. Cryptopunks and BAYC holders are signifying the same thing (Rich Believers in Crypto).


It's a different culture. Cryptopunks and BAYC holders are Ethereum whales.


Loaded didn't get caught because he was flexing, he got caught because he transferred to a KYC exchange.


But it still doesn't change the fact that a "Flexing NFT", just to prove the owner has 1000 Bitcoins, isn't good for a user's OPSEC. Would it be good for "Loaded" to flex, knowing himself where his coins came from?

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But yeah you're probably right, Eth whales better would be a better candidate for this project.


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Good luck to your idea and don't take my posts personally. They are merely my opinions, which could be wrong or proven wrong.
1063  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Lightning Network Observer on: July 21, 2023, 04:05:36 PM

Has Channel CoinJoins already been added and implemented in Lightning? I read about it two years ago, but had since heard nothing about it.

If it's added, then Lightning is still not the first choice protocol for regular Bitcoin users to "mix" their coins. Many users choose to convert to Monero or use CoinJoin and mixers. Plus it's marketed that "fast, cheap transactions" is still the main value proposition for Lightning, not privacy.


You may be referring to this article: https://thebitcoinmanual.com/articles/lightning-coinjoins/
Splicing and rebalancing seem quite useful and can definitely add some extra privacy on top.


I first read about Splicing and CoinJoin in this site, https://lightningprivacy.com/en/channel-coinjoins

But the information in there is limited. We need more ELI-5 kind of write ups.

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As explained here, Lightning is not perfectly private as of right now.
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/technical/state-of-bitcoin-lightning-network-privacy


Obviously not. That's probably why the community isn't in a hurry to adopt LN. Put some privacy features in there that's sufficient enough to hide a user's tracks, then we could see demand for Lightning channels surge.

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I'm not sure about the state of splicing in July 2023, though.
Core Lightning has an open Pull Request for it, although it seems like other implementations just started supporting it:

the PhoenixWallet which allows you to store your Bitcoin on the lightning network itself, has implemented "splicing" in beta and other great features!


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Achieving base layer privacy through Lightning might illustrate that's the perfect conjunction between onchain and offchain.
1064  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Lightning Network Observer on: July 21, 2023, 07:02:36 AM
funny part is that more people use CEX internal reserve swaps between services and stable coin by a magnitude of 1,000,000x compared to LN
the reason people avoid the bitcoin network first and then use CEX second and then use ln 7th (other bridge subnetworks exist with more liquidity 3-6) is due primarily due to high onchain fees.

yep people avoid the bitcoin network due to fee's not due to (lack of)successes of other flawed systems

funny part is instead of fixing flaws to make it better they just want to promote any hype they can find
especially when if you really observe you will find the initiation of LN was inspired by the hyperledger project(institutions gathering to prototype CBDC, asking bitcoin devs to develop and sandbox test CDBC methodology on subnetworks)

so ofcourse a FED is going to suck eggs about something they pushed for years prior. as its the basis of their own project


Yes yes, and the way to fix those flaws to make onchain fees lower is simply to hard fork to bigger blocks like BCash, right, right? Noted.

Here's a write up for everyone, especially newbies, to read, https://medium.com/hackernoon/thats-not-bitcoin-that-s-bcash-f730f0d0a837

OK, let's move on.

SBW Wond be supporting LN anymore.
Motivations are interesting.




It has been debated here in the forum before. It will be challenging for users to run Lightning nodes altruistically forever. There will be opportunity costs because Bitcoin = a form of capital. There must be enough incentives for all that capital to be locked in those channels. If not, then the result is simple. They leave.
1065  Economy / Economics / Re: Can CBDC users lose control of their money? on: July 21, 2023, 06:37:08 AM
I haven't taken a look at the source code, going by Pedro Magalhães assessment:

Blockchain's meant to be utilized as a trustless system IMO but all Brazil's done here is centralize the system with this alleged protocol. Under no circumstances should coins be burned from addresses nor should they be frozen. Assume it'll be abused by the government to compel compliance from their constituency and assume they'll try and market this as a cryptocurrency adjacent by throwing around the word "blockchain"


His assessement is on point, and it has been happening in the cryptocurrency world for years. A "blockchain" without Proof Of Work as a consensus and a security mechanism is not an actual blockchain. A real blockchain should also be immutable. If there's a centralized authority deciding which coins get burned or which of them get frozen, then perhaps they should consider not wasting their time on "blockchain" and use a centralized database.

People agree to this primarily because of the convenience. Electronic payments, whether it be a bank card or NFC (Near-Field Communication) is more convenient than cash. Attached a card or phone to the device and that's it, the payment received. No need to delve into your wallet, count, exchange, wait for the cashier to calculate, give change. It's quick and easy - that's what attracts people. And with payment using the retinal scan, here in general, you don’t even have to get a bank card or phone out of your pocket. I don't approve of this, but it looks like our world is inevitably heading in that direction. Laziness is a real engine of technology.

Human laziness and stupidity (indifference to one's freedom and privacy) will certainly lead to the spread of this terrible method of payment.
Yes, it’s laziness and stupidity, it’s not difficult to guess that under this “convenience” there is total control over every step, every cent spent. Retinal scanning discouraged me in general, it's really stupid, but I see that it's even fun for buyers to pay in this way, this is a bad sign, the majority will accept all the innovations and be happy about it, and no one will think about the consequences until it's too late. I don’t know, any step against the state will endanger their finances, went out to some kind of protest, scan the retina from a drone and block all the money in the account. It may sound a little paranoid, but this is just one example.


The "convenience" part is not what's truly concerning about CBDCs. It's the fact that there's a central authority somewhere that could censor you from using the system. It could be a dangerously tyrannical tool - the opposite of Bitcoin's ethos.
1066  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: NFT Idea: Prove Funds to Mint on: July 19, 2023, 05:02:05 PM
Why would someone buy this?
People who see your NFT will know that you're hodling a lot of Bitcoins.
Why would I want to put a digital target on my back saying I own or have owned at least 1000 bitcoin recently? Would you want to walk down a street holding a sign saying you are rich or have a lot of gold in your house?

Many bitcoiners want to remain anonymous and not draw unnecessary attention to themselves. They also wouldn't care about hyped digital waste known as NFTs that could maybe have one or two useful application with the rest being garbage. I am sorry, but I don't think many would be interested in this.  

Why do people buy designer clothes? Why do they wear million-dollar watches?
That also puts a literal target on your back, you just have to make sure your security is on point.

Yes many bitcoiners love being anonymous. But also we are people, we like to announce to the world what we are proud of. We like to announce to the world that we believe in Bitcoin, and also the fact that we have made it big at the same time.


It's a different culture with Bitcoiners compared to your community of people who wear designer clothes. Bitcoiners are more interested in tools that make people more ungovernable, although I believe none would admit it to avoid Big Brother's eyes probing over them. Haha.

Plus your idea is probably good for younger Bitcoin HODLers who want to flex their wealth, but such a project could also be a government honeypot. It's not good for OPSEC.

its a different culture, yes. but we're still human.

There used to be a user here called "Loaded". His whole thing was going around, flexing that he had 80k BTC.
There have also been a couple users flexing that they had 100+ btc throughout the years.


But look where "Loaded" is now, and where he actually got his Bitcoins from. It was probably better for him to have stayed quiet and worked harder on his OPSEC.

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Also, may I remind you. Cryptopunks and BAYC holders are signifying the same thing (Rich Believers in Crypto).


It's a different culture. Cryptopunks and BAYC holders are Ethereum whales.

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Also, I don't see how this could be a honeypot. Criminals always try to stay under the radar (at least the smart ones).
This would only be useful to people with legitimate funds.


I'm not saying it definitely will be a honeypot, but it's possible. If it's possible, then it's not good for a user's OPSEC.
1067  Economy / Economics / Re: Can CBDC users lose control of their money? on: July 19, 2023, 04:41:51 PM
The whole point of a government / Central Bank issued CBDC is that the people lose ‘total control’ of their money. I mean most people won’t have a problem with every day purchases but they have the power to stop you buying certain products, stop you buying too much fuel if you use too much carbon. That’s where a CBDC leads to, authoritarianism, like China, social credit scores etc. I really hope CBDC’s do not happen, they will tax & know everything. If you fix a car for a neighbour for a small fee, they will know. They want to abolish cash, hopefully it doesn’t happen.


Another nefarious thing they could do is if you have a low credit score. They could program the system to disallow those people from spending too much until the debts are paid, which wouldn't be too bad to help control spending habits. Haha.

I have debated about Bitcoin having more value in a CBDC world a year ago, but no one truly got the context because most of the posters of the forum during that time thought CBDC is going to be a simple replacement for paper money without the programmability.
1068  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin - The road to a SIX DIGIT price valuation on: July 19, 2023, 04:29:37 PM

I know franky1 doesn't believe it, we have debated about it before. Although he made a good point, he didn't consider the Cabal's long term, and possibly unlimited, printing of fiat.

 Cool

On the road to $500,000.

You know how they just “raised the debt ceiling?” This isn’t true. They didn’t raise the ceiling, they eliminated it until a future date. Do you remember the last time they did that? It was august 2019. September 2019 was the repo crisis, where overnight loans on treasuries hit an annualized interest rate of 10%! And conveniently we had a reason to make money printer go BRRR in 2020.

I don’t in general like conspiracies, but with no limit on US debt, we have effectively put a blank check out there for anyone to cash if they can create the economic conditions necessary to justify massive money printing. We are incentivizing our own destruction. I wouldn’t be surprised if we have some major happen in 2024…a new pandemic with lockdowns, WW3 starting in earnest, aliens turn out to be here and not-so-friendly, etc…


No conspiracies required, the U.S. economy is in need of a "reset" because there's just too much money in circulation. I know the latest inflation prints show that disinflation is finally happening, but the data on unemployment remains very low which indicates high demand and could indicate a reinflationary event probably happening. There's also the risk of wage inflation. When - not if - it happens, the Federal Reserve would need to raise rates more aggressively. It has happened with Volcker before, it's highly probable that it will happen with Powell again.
1069  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Lightning Network Observer on: July 19, 2023, 07:25:56 AM
It's still very early days for Lightning.


It's not that early. I mean, lightning began in 2017. Six years and two bull markets have passed since then.


I'm sorry, but from a very long term perspective, it's very VERY early days. We haven't truly reached mass adoption yet.

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Is it merely for fast, cheap, peer to peer transactions? Or could it be a privacy layer for Bitcoiners?
 

It's both already.


Has Channel CoinJoins already been added and implemented in Lightning? I read about it two years ago, but had since heard nothing about it.

If it's added, then Lightning is still not the first choice protocol for regular Bitcoin users to "mix" their coins. Many users choose to convert to Monero or use CoinJoin and mixers. Plus it's marketed that "fast, cheap transactions" is still the main value proposition for Lightning, not privacy.

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Because LN has the potential to gather the largest anonymity set, it could be more private than any "privacy-only cryptocurrency network".


That's very debatable. In terms of BTC, lightning has ~5,000 BTC, which is ~$150M. Monero, with a circulating supply of 18M XMR, has an equivalent of ~99,447 BTC. It's much better in terms of anonymity set.


I said "has the potential" to gather the largest anonymity set, which I believe it could.
1070  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Lightning Network Observer on: July 18, 2023, 03:23:56 PM

They're a little bit late, but it's better late than never. I'm surprised it took them so long to integrate it since Binance is the biggest exchange.


Late? I believe not, ser. It's still very early days for Lightning. We don't know what LN can really be for the users yet, in my opinion. Is it merely for fast, cheap, peer to peer transactions? Or could it be a privacy layer for Bitcoiners? I read a write up saying that Splicing was the answer to make Lightning more private.

I also believe that there will be larger demand for more channels and liquidity in Lightning - IF it were to become Bitcoin's own privacy layer. Because LN has the potential to gather the largest anonymity set, it could be more private than any "privacy-only cryptocurrency network".

1071  Economy / Economics / Re: Can CBDC users lose control of their money? on: July 18, 2023, 02:50:10 PM
What do you think, is CBDC being developed for the benefit of people or will it be directed against them? After this article, the scales, in my opinion, swung even more towards the total regulation of the financial life of people.

CBDCs have nothing to offer that fiat have not offered. You can send fiat digitally and it is under the control of central banks and the government just like the CBDCs. In function, is there anything added to CBDCs that fiat can not offer? I see nothing new about CBDCs than claiming that it is built using blockchain. In function, digital fiat and CBDCs are the same thing and they totally invade people's privacy.


Actually, fiat in cash/physical form is better than CBDC as a form of money. There are limitations but we can send it to anybody we want, it's peer to peer, and transactions made with them could be very private if you choose it to be. Cool

In CBDC, it's a centrally programable form of digital currency. It is built and developed to CENSOR YOU and take away your freedom to transact. How can many people not see that it's an anti-Bitcoin-ethos digital currency.

But it's good to see that the opinions have changed slightly as more information is taught to us plebs. I started a topic last year about the real nature of CBDC, but most of the replies were uninformed, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5382985.0
1072  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Cool mining set up that more miners should copy. on: July 18, 2023, 09:02:53 AM
Oh, the irony!
Just had a power failure while writing this post, I was going to kill somebody if the ups would have failed and lost it.

For those who replied negatively, listen, it's probably just a prototype showing that it could be done. Because why not, right?

Because scaling is a b1tch!
What works for a hobby miner it becomes impossible to run when you multiply it by a dozen.
1 S9? I can run it in my bathroom! 20? I will turn off the power on the street, my neighbors will call the police and I won't be able to hear even 10 cops cars over the noise, and probably from the heat my bathtub will melt before they arrive!

Same here, you got enough power for 5kw miners, how do you get the cheap or zero cooking oil for more?
It's like living on soda cans, you can pick a few hundred each day but can you pick 10 000 a day? Scaling!


You're right, but the point of the project is about the diversion of the waste. Instead of having something thrown somewhere, why not burn it and produce something with it?

If you're a miner and could have the opportunity to add the concept to your farm, why not? The concept could be more about helping the community around where you do business, than adding more Bitcoin to your profits. Breaking even after costs from such a project could, for me, be considered a success because it diverted waste into something more productive.
1073  Economy / Speculation / Re: Buy the DIP, and HODL! on: July 18, 2023, 06:55:47 AM
We're talking ONLY about Bitcoin in this topic. Why? Because I, personally/no offense, consider 99% of the projects from the "wider crypto community" to be scams.

To be more careful, we need to understand that this other cryptocurrencies inventors, operators or project developers also rely on bitcoin as their solid investment background asset that funds the other projects they developed, so why should a common man like we made a decision to invest with them when we have the direct link to invest with bitcoin and hodl thesame way others are making their profits from it.


You're not getting the point. They are scams because most of those, to be political correct let's call them "altcoins", do something but they're not truly what they are claimed to be. IE most of them are not truly decentralized, and their developers know it, but they will never admit it.

On a lighter topic, Valkyrie's ETF will be listed under the ticker "BRRR". Hahaha.

1074  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin - The road to a SIX DIGIT price valuation on: July 18, 2023, 06:32:02 AM
From an investment perspective, OK, I'm curious if anyone knows, when was the first modern ETF for Gold issued? Wikipedia says it was during 2003.
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Zoom out Gold's chart to the maximum and look starting at 2003. Merely my two sats, but believe it will be the same for Bitcoin. It will have one of its greatest price trajectory we have ever seen during the next real bull cycle. Perhaps the same as 2015 - 2017, perhaps more?

Correlation does not imply causation. If I fart now and you see that it starts to rain, would you say that it started to rain because I farted?


What? Haha. Your fart has directly nothing to do with the rain, but the billions in new investment going into Bitcoin will definitely have a direct price impact. But just like "correlation does not equal causation", there IS a correlation. Gold's price went up because of the ETF could correlate to Bitcoin's price going up because of the ETF.

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Actually no, I'm personally NOT for the debate that Bitcoin should have a hard fork to change the supply cap. I believe that part of the protocol is ossified. I'm asking "what is the threshold", a question/topic that's admittedly a difficult issue. To put it in an extreme situation, if 90% of Bitcoin's supply was under the custody of a cartel of 10 asset managers, could it be said that Bitcoin has failed?

To put that in context with this topic, if truly twelve of the twenty largest banks and asset managers truly want to accumulate as much Bitcoin as they possibly can, then $500,000 per Bitcoin is not really that high.

Let's imagine that your assumption is realized. A few funds have taken and concentrated in their hands almost all bitcoins, because they decided that this is a good investment. As a consequence of this decision, bitcoin will practically stop moving, because it makes no sense for them to sell it, this is a long-term investment. In the absence of movement, miners will no longer be interested in it, difficulty will drop, the risk of a 51% attack will increase, trust in bitcoin will decrease, bitcoin will start to drop sharply in price, and investments in bitcoin will depreciate.


I'm not asking if it fails, it will surely fail. What I've been asking is what is the threshold? How much of the supply must be held by a cartel of asset managers for us to say that Bitcoin has failed?

Because of the ETF, I'm bullish for the price, but I'm not very bullish for the network.

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If some random dude on the forum managed to see this scenario over a cup of hot drink, then the analytical departments of the funds are also quite capable of doing such analyzes. Accordingly, no funds are interested in buying up and hiding all bitcoins, they are interested in participating in the development of bitcoin, but within the limits of not depreciating the asset in which they invest. If they have large enough investments, they may well take an active part in the circulation of bitcoins.

So I don't think the problem is realizable.


You're saying they will control the supply. OK, that will not be very ideal for the network
1075  Economy / Speculation / Re: Buy the DIP, and HODL! on: July 17, 2023, 11:40:23 AM
You have no other option. I joke about the whalecumulators, but what else can we plebs do? Buy the dip, and HODL! You do not want to end up empty handed on the next cycle, https://twitter.com/misir_mahmudov/status/1118243131584065537

Always zoom out if in doubt, https://bitcoin.zorinaq.com/price/


Buy when the market falls deeply, but how much is deep? Buying at the bottom is also risky, as a drop in prices could be a sign that the market is about to crash. It has also adjusted to over 80% in the past. Therefore, you have to determine which price zone is attractive enough to buy. As for where the bottom is, we can't guess. Let's discuss whether to catch the bottom or not and when the bottom is right, at what price will you sell? Do you buy a valuable asset when it falls below the previous price, but is that the final bottom or will the price continue to fall and establish a new low?

For asset classes such as stocks, real estate, gold... that have been around for a long time and are popular in the market, bottom fishing is very popular and it has resistances that are hard to break. However, with a new and volatile market like cryptocurrencies, bottom fishing can bring many risks because the market size is not too large, so some sharks can manipulate the market and break resistances. so you have to be very careful when catching the bottom in this market. Should I catch the bottom of altcoins or the bottom of BTC? In my opinion, BTC should only be bottomed because it has been joined by many large organizations, appeared the earliest and is held by many organizations and individuals, so it cannot collapse. As for Altcoins, there are already many coins with a value of 0. Or with coins in the top 20, you can catch the bottom.

After successfully catching the bottom, when will you sell them? That is a very difficult question to answer.


We're talking ONLY about Bitcoin in this topic. Why? Because I, personally/no offense, consider 99% of the projects from the "wider crypto community" to be scams.

OK, for your argument, let's have an experiment. Let's pretend that you are the worst investor in the world and bought Bitcoin during different parts of the crash, and your average price is $30,250 = Today's price. You are HODLing starting NOW.

Bookmark this post and visit it again on December 25, 2025. Merry Christmas.
1076  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin - The road to a SIX DIGIT price valuation on: July 17, 2023, 11:23:36 AM
I still believe that ETF effects on bitcoin price has been greatly exaggerated, although it will definitely have a positive effect on the price.


Do you believe that $500,000 per Bitcoin is merely an exaggeration by 2025 - 2026 considering Bitcoin's trajectory since 2010?

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In any case when it comes to the next big rise, as I've said before the global economy is the major factor affecting the market for now. The rising inflation was excellent for bitcoin but then recession started and ruined its effects. Now they are trying to reach an equilibrium which is why we don't see rise (or fall) start.


The context of the topic is in how Gold's ETF, during 2003, helped started a strong surge on its price, AND it's trading near its ATH despite going through different economic crashes/crises. It could probably happen for Bitcoin too after ETF approval, no?

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But the inflation is still rising very fast and its effects on bitcoin price is growing. After all this fast growing national debt[1] due to nonstop money printing is bound to push bitcoin price up. $32.5 trillion US debt, $14.5 trillion Chinese debt, $13.5 trillion Japanese debt, and so on. US alone printed over a trillion in the past couple of months ever since the debt ceiling was raised.

In other words 6 digit price is definitely possible in the next major bull run.

[1] https://www.usdebtclock.org/world-debt-clock.html


Long term, maximum zoom out = YES.

🤝

serjent05, dunfida, and AmoreJaz, I respect your opinions. But my suggestion is, just HODL on to your Bitcoins no matter how small the amount. Cool
1077  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [Question] Bitcoin More decentralized than Ethereum? on: July 17, 2023, 06:31:34 AM

But whether all miners get together and carry out a 51% attack or all validators get together for a 51% attack is basically the same, it is possible with both


Although on the surface it looks the same, it's actually not. Proof Of Stake is consensus where a Cabal of wealthy holders of the coin are in charge, a consensus inside the system. POW is consensus that's unrestrained by the system.

From what I understand, POS is no different from traditional consensus made up of Oligarchs. They HODL most of the system's wealth, then therefore control the system.
1078  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin - The road to a SIX DIGIT price valuation on: July 16, 2023, 04:35:17 PM
It doesn't change the fact that they can put a large percentage of the total supply in their custody, and the question is, "What is the threshold before it becomes truly concerning"?

This is important now and from the very beginning. Once it became apparent that bitcoin had become an important element in the world of finance, it became easy to predict the interest of large corporations. We have been seeing for a long time how bitcoin is being bought up even in view by the thousands and tens of thousands, and how many more secret purchases. But changing the original rules of the supply-limited game could change everything, because bitcoin's conservatism gives it prestige and a level of credibility. Trying to fit in with momentary interests can change everything, and we should not listen to those who are thinking about abandoning the idea of limited issue.


Actually no, I'm personally NOT for the debate that Bitcoin should have a hard fork to change the supply cap. I believe that part of the protocol is ossified. I'm asking "what is the threshold", a question/topic that's admittedly a difficult issue. To put it in an extreme situation, if 90% of Bitcoin's supply was under the custody of a cartel of 10 asset managers, could it be said that Bitcoin has failed?

To put that in context with this topic, if truly twelve of the twenty largest banks and asset managers truly want to accumulate as much Bitcoin as they possibly can, then $500,000 per Bitcoin is not really that high.
1079  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin - The road to a SIX DIGIT price valuation on: July 16, 2023, 03:02:13 PM
Altogether they control TRILLIONS of wealth.

It's probably why Bitcoin developer Peter Todd has currently been saying that he's open to the idea of an inflationary cryptocurrency.

There are already a huge number of such cryptocurrencies. There are already so many full-fledged blockchains that it is difficult to count them all. If someone needs inflationary cryptocurrencies, then they can either choose from this set or make their own as much as they want.


That's not the point. The point is how Peter Todd's change of opinion from a "limited supply is good" to "inflationary supply is good". We're merely talking about concepts and how theoretically one might be better than the other for the long term sustainability of a cryptocurrency network.

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As for trillions, they are not going to buy bitcoins with all these trillions. If I go to a candy store with a thousand dollars of capital, it does not mean that I will spend more than a few dollars there. Cheesy


It doesn't change the fact that they can put a large percentage of the total supply in their custody, and the question is, "What is the threshold before it becomes truly concerning"?
1080  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [Question] Bitcoin More decentralized than Ethereum? on: July 16, 2023, 02:50:41 PM
I don't understand why Bitcoin is more decentralized than Ethereum even though you operate a full node with both.

To create the blocks:
Bitcoin PoW = miners
Ethereum PoS = Validator

With Bitcoin/Ethereum Full Node you can verify the blocks from the miners/validators.

So the only point why Bitcoin is more decentralized than Ethereum is:
The Bitcoin Full Node is cheaper than the Ethereum Full Node ?

Or is it the case with Ethereum that you cannot verify the blocks as a full node but only as a validator?
So:
Bitcoin miners create block / full nodes verify the block
Ethereum validator create block / validator also verify the block


You probably need to learn the basics. I also suggest reading the blog made by a person who calls himself "StopAndDecrypt". His writings are technical, but easy enough to read for newbies to learn and understand.

Here's one of writings that's relevant for the topics that you're asking about, https://medium.com/@StopAndDecrypt/266c136fc55d#aee4

You'll learn what nodes actually are, scaling, and other related topics that all Bitcoiners should know/have a minimum level of understanding.
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