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1861  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: POST YOUR CAT PICTURES HERE! on: January 10, 2014, 01:32:18 AM


My destination is in my reach, Mars here I come ~~~ Catronaute
1862  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Catcoin - Scrypt meow! on: January 10, 2014, 01:20:36 AM

I did that here, and kinda of failled but it was just a few minutes before the drama xD
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=380130.msg4256377#msg4256377

But yes lets do that In a new thread and lets promote it some much maybe now it will work
1863  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Catcoin - Scrypt meow! on: January 10, 2014, 01:16:55 AM
CATs thats a smooth diff change, lets try to keep this managed for a while...

Yes so far so good, also the next estimated diff, is not nearly as high as we saw in the last few days which means we are getting better and steady
1864  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Catcoin - Scrypt meow! on: January 10, 2014, 01:14:41 AM
Weird. New Wallet won't sync past 4 days ago. Is there another patch needed?

C

You want to add the nodes from the op thread if it doesn sync, if you have the latest wallet
1865  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Catcoin - Scrypt meow! on: January 10, 2014, 01:01:40 AM
I gave the dev 200 coins the other day and didn't even get a thanks or anything in return for it.
I created a thread in the other forum saying that I would giveaway 1000 CAT if we broke 45000.
I gave skillface 20 cat because he made a dumb move and I felt bad lol.
I have created multiple threads on other forums promoting CAT and received a ton of views but very little feedback.
And last but not least, I've been trying over and over to drive the price up by buying but no one backs me up so I have taken consistent losses.
I may have the cash but I'm not stupid. If I see a dead end I'll cut my losses. Luckily I have faith that we will recover Cheesy

The market is very thin, if we get 30 people with 1 BTC each we could double our price per coin easily. And that isn't unreasonable, look at the volume on cryptsy.

Leo, just look at how the well established coins in every category made it, Bitcoin, took almost 3 year to even start getting traded, 5 years to reach a decent market cap and a couple afterwards to reach the 1k barrier and become as notorious as it is
LTC, XPM, RIPPLE all has to go trough a long process, to achieve maturity

CAT is 2 weeks old , it's not even close to be mature yet it's being traded for a fair share of money, sure it is undervaluated when the diff it's over 40, but with the current hash rate the diff normally shoudn't get above that number.

The value will increase that is if we keep this coin interesting, but how can we do that? well I think I've explaned this before in a previous long post, this doesn't happen overnight, it's a long process, requires alot of effort and investiment.

Lets just keep working on it, it would be nice if someone can creat an Android/iOS game, for catcoin, it doesn't need to be complex something catchy, this for example can be an investiment, someone who had the potentional can invest some time to this, if there is no one interessted, some big holders can give android devs an incentive to do so.

I have less than a 100 cat so I'm not a big holder by any mean, I'm just enticed to the catcommunity and been here since day one and want to see this coin succed
1866  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Catcoin - Scrypt meow! on: January 10, 2014, 12:24:56 AM
just let me them sell, happy buyers are there to take their sells, there is less and dumping tho

How about we do a giveaway to get more attention to the coin? Leo are you interessted ? maybe with Marverick and everyone here we can contribute to something
1867  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Catcoin - Scrypt meow! on: January 09, 2014, 03:59:46 PM
Network is estimated at 390 MHash right now. We shall see if middlecoin shows up to the party (that's who I think is behind those spikes, FYI)
390? more like 150 Mh/s no?

We got 9 blocks in 35 minutes, that's a lot more than 150 MH/s

Middlecoin is bouncing between LTC, DOGE, and something at 12.94 diff (848K). No CAT so far.

Edit nvm something weird is going diff back to the moon again
1868  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Catcoin - Scrypt meow! on: January 09, 2014, 02:35:27 PM
Network is estimated at 390 MHash right now. We shall see if middlecoin shows up to the party (that's who I think is behind those spikes, FYI)
390? more like 150 Mh/s no?
1869  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Catcoin - Scrypt meow! on: January 09, 2014, 01:25:10 AM

-The loyalty system, although it's a good idea, but I believe it won't work simply because it creat more hassle to miners, that would want to join or that are mining but when the difficulty rise beyond a certain level (that they are losing money on electricity and hardware rather than making some) will just leave, not to mention that there is already the pools PPLNS penalty.
But the idea is good, so I suggest if this idea to be implemented, we should take it the other way, instead of punishing people that leaves you reward people that stay mining, this can be implemented pool side, lets people who mine for a week without non stop (a small intereption is acceptable should get a reward of extra cats depending on the hashrate, not this has to be discussed with pool owner and concensus should be made it) lets just take the example from commerce, this would be like the fidelity card for a supermarket, the more thing you buy from that supermarket the more reward you get. but again might be too much hasle for pool owners so overall, I think the idea is good, but in terms if feasability and implementation it is not. so tl,dr Good Idea not going to work

Thank you for this thoughtful response to my suggestions. I submit that since the logic would kick in only rarely (right after the difficulty dropped more than 50%) and otherwise the coin operates exactly the same way, it would only prove to be a hassle for people engaged in sophisticated profiting-maximizing strategies of coin hopping. If coin hopping people find the coin too much hassle to mine and stay away from the coin, I submit this would improve the coin rather than damage the coin. People who do not coin-hop to try to maximize profit would virtually never notice this mechanism at work - except that they seem to see more profits during easy difficulty times than with other altcoins - which if anything should attract more miners who want to keep their rigs pointed to the coin. So I ask you this question directly - if we increased the number of steady miners, and totally eliminated coin-hop-profit-maxmizing miners, do you really believe it would make the coin worse off vs. better off? And which type of miners do you believe dominate in the BTC and LTC mining scene, and how does this relate to the perceived stability of of those coins?

Etblvu1



Thanks for your reply, as I explained before the Idea is great, but the problem is how are you going to implement it, code wise I mean, and are you going to do it pool side or on the source code and on the blockchain directly? this is the point I'm trying to explane, it's hard if not impossible to code such a solution, also punishement was never a good solution it always drive people of, with such a system, I think the best would be to reward to loyal people, and this can be done pool side relatively easly but this will again need a cordination between all the pools to have set parameters and qualification for such bonus that everyone would like.

The thing about BTC/LTC, is that they are well established, and pretty stable, there is no alternative to BTC/LTC combo, you trade cats for either then to fiat and not the other way around, and there will always be people mining BTC/LTC because it's a sure value and well estblished, Cat is still young 2 weeks old or so, it needs at least a couple of months to mature and reach such a true stability and when that's happen, you can have a true loyalty system because the coin it self will be really relevant. So to resume I think a reward loyalty system would be good and would enter in the case of the long term project of making this coin valuable and relevant, a punishement system I'm affraid will have negative effect and push off people from joining, (some people wants to try other alternative from time to time without having to pay a price for that for example)
1870  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Catcoin - Scrypt meow! on: January 09, 2014, 01:10:01 AM
I've received a lot of hate from several people via PM about me "abandoning MY project", that people invested real money into this, that I shouldn't be able to sleep with the damage I've done to people letting the price of the CAT go down, etc etc.
This is not MY coin, I don't control it and I don't decide its price. This coin is property of everyone who holds any amount of CAT and trust me when I say that I only have a very few amount of them. Please go and blame the people who hold dozens of thousands of CATs (not me) and didn't donate for giveaways or bounties when they were made with hopes to promote this feline.
Because the robbery happened into my house I had to take a 2nd job that is now using most of my previous spare time, so I can't work on the coin like I did before. But hey, this is a community, patches are accepted on the Github repo and you don't need my help to promote the CAT or create services around it. Do you?

It will be at least several weeks until I can get enough free time again to donate to non profit (for me) internet projects. So I will be accepting patches, suggestions and OP modifications requests in the meanwhile (If you get a consensus about the current situation of the difficulty changes, then I will implement it, just like I did on the hard fork). If you want this cat to be successful, take some action yourself! Don't keep waiting someone else to do the job for you.

Your timing is perfect KR105, I'd like to extend some of your thoughts. Those of us on IRC have been putting a group of people together to help manage the day-to-day activities of our coin. We obviously don't own the coin, nor are we interested in "taking it over", but with the communities blessing we'd like to represent it and form a leadership team for the coin. This would allow KR105 to attend to the issues in his life he needs to, while still being available when required.

Over the course of the past several days, we have acquired most of the social media feeds and websites that were created for Catcoin at launch. We've done this to unify our public image and ensure that all data is up to date and accurate. We are in the process of making the Catcoins.biz website our official content, but on the catcoins.org domain. This decision was decided upon because many people voiced their displeasure with the ".biz" extension, and many stated it detracted from the legitimacy of our currency. Also, the content of that website is more complete, and ultimately useful than the content on the .org domain.

We've acquired the Facebook group www.facebook.com/Catcoinz, and it has been renamed to https://www.facebook.com/CatcoinOfficial. This page has almost 7000 likes and receives quite a bit of attention on a daily basis. I personally will be undertaking the overhaul of the information on this page, and will be adding a couple of other admins to help me with this, as there is a significant amount of data and resources to document and publish. If anybody wishes websites, games, pages or other information to be listed please send me a message here or on the page directly, and I'll ensure that it is added ASAP.

NyanCat, has acquired access to the CatcoinOfficial twitter feed, and will be providing more regular updates on that page. We're looking for a few more reliable people to help with social media content as a whole, if you'd like to help please message one of us and we'll go from there.

We'd like to take this opportunity to introduce our team as it is now (IRC usernames are used here, but are mostly the same as the Bitcointalk usernames):

KR105 - Creator and Dev of Catcoin
Mack25 - Developer of the .org website and also developer of the CatFlip website
Raistlinthewiz - Developer and GitHub source contributor with commit access.
Dogeles - Developer of the .biz website and also GitHub contributor with commit access.
Sir_Knee_Grow - Catcoin subreddit mod/creator and owner or the ##catcoin IRC channel
hozer - developer/tester with bitbucket/mercurial catbox tree
ZeroDrama: Prominent forum and IRC contributor who has been active since launch, heavy contributions to the last fork
NyanCat - Current admin of the twitter feed, and representative to our polish and spanish communities

And last but not least:

Maverickthenoob: Facebook page admin, code tester and general Catcoin supporter. I've been mining this coin since day one. I love the community behind this coin and the potential we have to be something great.

Obviously we're always looking for more talent and always open to suggestions and content from the community. We are a democracy, we want suggestions, nominations, content and ideas from everyone on how to make this coin the absolute best it can be. We have some really exciting new ideas that are being discussed as we speak, and as we flesh out the ideas a bit more, we'll bring them to the table for the community to see and vote on. We've created such a large team to diversify our talents and to make it so that no one person has too much influence on the coin. We are absolutely for this community, and want nothing but the best for our coin. Our team is very committed to honesty, integrity and transparency. Our IRC chats are logged and at some point once we get some more infrastructure in place they will be made available for everyone to see.

I'd like to take this opportunity to say that we're really excited about this coin as a whole and we really hope that we are able to continue being the absolute best community of all the altcoins.

Long live Catcoin!

P.S. If anyone wishes to nominate more members for our team or has any concerns about or current members, feel free to post it here, or come on IRC and chat with us! We are especially interested in nominations of people from the forums that are not regulars of IRC to diversify our team even more!

P.P.S Fork discussion is already ongoing, so I didn't mention it here, I'm sure we will come up with something amazing as a community to solve our diff issues once and for all!

##catcoin on freenode!






Maverick if you need extra admin for fb/twitter, or if you need a project coordinator, code tester and so on and so forth I'm here to help as much as I can
1871  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Catcoin - Scrypt meow! on: January 09, 2014, 12:59:26 AM
Ok guys I've been reading the comments I missed recently, although some of them are pretty long Cheesy (I might be writting one my self right now) but overall it was intereseting and there are some great ideas. (I will take this opportunity to apology in advance for the langage massacre that's going to happen in the few next paragraphs Cheesy)

Edit : Please take a few minutes to read the whole post I tried to synthetise as much as I could, if you can't you can jump to the different conclusion and Summuries per each paragragh and I apology for the lenght

So without further due, here is my take on some of the points mentioned

-The loyalty system, although it's a good idea, but I believe it won't work simply because it creat more hassle to miners, that would want to join or that are mining but when the difficulty rise beyond a certain level (that they are losing money on electricity and hardware rather than making some) will just leave, not to mention that there is already the pools PPLNS penalty.
But the idea is good, so I suggest if this idea to be implemented, we should take it the other way, instead of punishing people that leaves you reward people that stay mining, this can be implemented pool side, lets people who mine for a week without non stop (a small intereption is acceptable should get a reward of extra cats depending on the hashrate, not this has to be discussed with pool owner and concensus should be made it) lets just take the example from commerce, this would be like the fidelity card for a supermarket, the more thing you buy from that supermarket the more reward you get. but again might be too much hasle for pool owners so overall, I think the idea is good, but in terms if feasability and implementation it is not. so tl,dr Good Idea in theory but not going to work from a practical point of view (coding and implementation)

-Stoping services like multipools, middlecoin and such from joining the party when the difficulty is low, this won't work, we are in a free market, if we try to prevent others from joining and we start to ban and make barriers for others business then the whole point of cryptocurrencies is denied here. tl,dr not going to work and it's counter productive

So what's the solution:

well lets analyse the problem first : the problem is PROFITABILITY and volatility (although the ladder is not a problem right now as the prices are pretty stable and coin seems to be pretty steady) and this is what makes people swing from coin to coin.

So how can you make the coin profitable so people wants to mine and keep mining it ?

Lets define the profitibility of the coin so we can understand, profitability would be :
Mined coins per time unite (hour/day/week whatever) x price of the coin - expensise, this can be translated to a relation between Price of the coin and difficulty we can find a relation to a K factor between Minedcoins per time x price and price / difficulty

So to increase profitability there are theroritically a couple possible combination one of these is enough to increase profitability: increase the amount of coins per block, increase price of coin, reduce difficulty, reduce the block time (which will results in more coins).

In practice, increasing the amount of coins per block or block time, will make the coin lose credibility and value so it's not feasable, as for coin price, we can do something about by making the coin more desirable trough advertising, giveaway, the coin being adopted by more services, but this again will be limited and the coin will always follow the offer and demand and market in general, but again we should keep working on this but it's a long term work and not going to solve the current problem. so we are left with difficulty. Difficulty follows the Hashrate, a good profitabilty difficulty is around 30sh (at current price) and that's what's we are getting with our current hashrate, now the problem as mentioned before is when other pools joins in when difficulty is low, and make it rise to the moon and leave, the first fork reduced the difficulty retarget which make the retarget faster and solved a part of the issue, but it didn't solve at all the issue of difficulty swing.
So tl,dr in practice we should focus on advertising the coin and getting more services to enhance the coin ecosystem and increase it value, but this a long term work, in short term we should focus on difficulty especially solving the problem of the difficulty swing

So how to solve the problem of difficulty swing ?

I think the part of the solution was mentioned before, which is to reduce the amount of difficulty jumps, I think the current maximum factor is 4x but going from 30 to 80 is still huge and without reaching that limite, so I think that the paramater that should be modified, is that factor, and make it something like 1.5 or something like that (to be discussed of course we can do the math it's not that hard to find an ideal number), but not only for difficulty increase, it should be for the decrease aswell, because it's the sudden decrease that makes other pools join in, so with a factor like that the difficulty will reach a level where it will become steady.

So to resume everything, we should keep working on enhancing the coin with a long term plan, which would be building a strong advertising plan, also pushing the coin to as much services as possible, another important part is getting media recognition (I tried to writte a wikipedia page but there are no "good" references that I could use) this can be easly done, by tiping webmagazines and techsites and stuff like that, just make sure you writte something that may get their attention and make them writte a whole artical about it. Short term would be fixing the coin parameters to solve the issues we are having with the Difficulty (difficulty swing) , And the most obvious solution for me is to reduce the maximum change factor from x4 to something more realistic (if it is possible code wise but I think it is)

Regards,
1872  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][COYE] Coinye Coin - Launch: JANUARY 7, 2014. 7 PM PST on: January 08, 2014, 03:46:49 AM
WILL GIVE 10 000 COYE ANYONE WHO TELLS ME FIRST WHY MY WALLET IS NOT SYNCED AND NOT CONNECTED TO NETWORK... AND WHAT TO DO, BECAUSE IF I DONT SYNC IT, THEN I CANT SEND ANYTHING.. COINS FROM POOL GOING DIRECTLY THERE

add note bro, either copy the coinyecoin.conf file to your /user/database/roaming/coinyecoin or do it via cmd command
1873  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][COYE] Coinye Coin - Launch: JANUARY 7, 2014. 7 PM PST on: January 08, 2014, 03:38:42 AM
rpcuser=coinye
rpcpassword=coins
addnode=37.187.93.104
addnode=23.253.71.20
addnode=94.242.254.73
addnode=24.20.187.178
addnode=37.59.31.34
addnode=37.59.54.28
addnode=62.212.72.31
server=1
daemon=1


rcpport ?
1874  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Catcoin - Scrypt meow! on: January 07, 2014, 06:28:35 PM
I am now an admin to https://www.facebook.com/catcoinz, let's get some content I can put on this page.

Great news! now I know who to flame  when I don't see facebook updates for long periodes Cheesy
Good job man, you can add the casino, the cat dice, ask people to vote for our coin to get listed in shoping sites and stuff like that.
We should get Cat on Coins-e they were interested till recently but all this shit I think their plans to add the coin or on hold to say the least

Edit:  Oh yeah and to keep the FB page relevant, it would nice to have some interaction with the people like doing some quizes, or some competitions with small give away and stuff like that, so people really follows everything on that page
1875  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] 5,000.00 FREE GIFTCOIN GIVEAWAY! LQQK! on: January 07, 2014, 04:07:32 AM
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1876  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] GiftCoin [GFT] Wallet + Source available [SCRYPT] on: January 07, 2014, 04:00:28 AM
1877  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Catcoin - Scrypt meow! on: January 06, 2014, 10:40:47 PM
how long i have to keep on spamming these stupid useless messages to get rid of my junior member status?


im so fucked up to this forum

Son you'll remain Junior for ever!

If you are active enough, it should be gone in no time
1878  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Catcoin - Scrypt meow! on: January 06, 2014, 10:33:59 AM

1879  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Catcoin - Scrypt meow! on: January 06, 2014, 09:29:26 AM
DAMM! WTF IS THIS SHIT, that 2k sell went down in a sec.......

@ the same time looking at doge T_T

I sold my doge at 56 satoshis, so when I buy back in...man, shit's gonna be cash.

grand children education will get payed aswell ? Cheesy might be a good time to buy doge with cats
1880  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Catcoin - Scrypt meow! on: January 06, 2014, 09:24:03 AM
DAMM! WTF IS THIS SHIT, that 2k sell went down in a sec.......

@ the same time looking at doge T_T
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