This should not work that way. He legally won every single penny with them. That's his money. This will encourage other casinos to bring an end like this of big winnings and settle with only the deposit.
TBH I don't really care about any other stance in this case given the lack of information. I am only sure of the following: 1) The deposit is the user's. 2) The deposit can be returned to the originating address. There is no reason to delay the return of the deposit due to any potential "fraud". |
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The very very least that they could have done is inform this community as to what exactly is creating the issue, which they have failed to do so.
But they already did informed us: As I have stated previously, there are concerns about the ownership of the account and due to the large amount of funds in question, we want to be sure that the correct decision is made.
Thanks,
Ronnie @ Cloudbet
That is too vague and could mean many things, hence my statement. Returning the deposit where it came from can be done regardless of any ownernships issues with the account. Returning the deposit? What about the winnings? It's all clear that there were no complains with anything else except ownership issue. Yes, my primary concern is the return of the user's money rather than the potential winnings. Winnings can be handled afterwards. |
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The very very least that they could have done is inform this community as to what exactly is creating the issue, which they have failed to do so.
But they already did informed us: As I have stated previously, there are concerns about the ownership of the account and due to the large amount of funds in question, we want to be sure that the correct decision is made.
Thanks,
Ronnie @ Cloudbet
That is too vague and could mean many things, hence my statement. Returning the deposit where it came from can be done regardless of any ownernships issues with the account. |
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- They've refused to answer legitimate questions on askgamblers and the bitcointalk community, but rather are making ambiguous statements.
Right; the way that they've handled this is absurd. They could have asked some senior members here for help, many of which are definitely both smarter and faster than their fraud team. Either the case would: 1) Still remained unresolved because of actual issues (which we still have no idea what they allegedly are), but we'd at least know what they are; 2) Be already resolved for quite some time. Is cloubet.com a scam casino? My answer is YES.
They've been getting away with it for many years and its a pity it has come to this for people to realize what they really are.
I believe that if this "3rd party" does not resolve this ASAP and not within "it might take some time" time-frame, that it warrants removing all positive ratings on CloudBet as well as posting warnings on other sites (e.g. Askgamblers).
The very very least that they could have done is inform this community as to what exactly is creating the issue, which they have failed to do so. Therefore, it is evident that they absolutely do not care about the community. Curacao Egaming - with which we are licensed - will act as an arbiter here and we are bound by any ruling they make. We encourage the player to reach out to them directly to present his case.
This is also wrong; the player should not need to do this. The player should stick to Bitcointalk and AskGamblers as we can publicly see what is going on in both places. |
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Of course they are. They may not be directly responsible for the scam, but they should have done due diligence. Let's just call it reputational damage.
That is wrong.
It really really depends on whether they had any idea that it is/might be a scam. If they didn't, then they are also victims. I disagree. A person should do some due diligence before they attach their name to anything. Why is there this false notion that due dilligence will uncover every single scam that will happen? A CEO of any of those projects could exit scam at any random time for any random reason. How exactly does due dilligence prevent that? Sigh. There is no way to be 100% certain unless you somehow create a situation where it isn't even a possibility. |
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This is Albert
Cloudbet username: swofty
Deposit address: 1J1cRAYXaeYzBp9hXqF9EiJBn4V1sttfdU
Date: 12-29-2018
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This is Albert
Cloudbet username: swofty
Deposit address: 1J1cRAYXaeYzBp9hXqF9EiJBn4V1sttfdU
Date: 12-31-2018
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This is Albert
Cloudbet username: swofty
Deposit address: 1J1cRAYXaeYzBp9hXqF9EiJBn4V1sttfdU
Date: 12-31-2018
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This is Albert
Cloudbet username: swofty
Deposit address: 1J1cRAYXaeYzBp9hXqF9EiJBn4V1sttfdU
Date: 12-31-2018
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This is Albert
Cloudbet username: swofty
Deposit address: 1J1cRAYXaeYzBp9hXqF9EiJBn4V1sttfdU
Date: 12-31-2018
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
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All verified using latest Core. You are indeed the owner of all of those addresses. |
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maybe he wants to move on and not attack everyone who likes/trust Vod just for something Vod said ?
i really hope this is the case and that everybody moves on and leave the past behind, i can't understand how can someone go through this shit for years and never get tired.
If he wanted to really move on, then has to clean out and lock many threads. This does not seem to be the case. |
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Isn't it time for us to inform everyone (if needed then PM) and ask them to stop promoting/endorsing cloudbet? I have seen in the past when we smell anything wrong then DTs stepped forward and warned the users. If they denied then they tagged them.
Who is left? Left to PM? Yes, who is still promoting it? active and endorsed by hilariousandco. I even PMed him other day. I will contact him too. Since it is a dead thread it can be ignored for the time being. It could be a coincidence but I'll leave that up to Ronnie to decide.
I am not sure if Hhampuz actively working for them or not. He is not at the moment and definitely while this remains unresolved. |
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I will do it. Just to end this whole thing. And I hope it will end this case.
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
This is Swofty from bitcointalk.
Cloudbet username:
Deposit address:
Date:
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address
generated signature
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Isn't it time for us to inform everyone (if needed then PM) and ask them to stop promoting/endorsing cloudbet? I have seen in the past when we smell anything wrong then DTs stepped forward and warned the users. If they denied then they tagged them.
Who is left? Left to PM? Yes, who is still promoting it? |
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Isn't it time for us to inform everyone (if needed then PM) and ask them to stop promoting/endorsing cloudbet? I have seen in the past when we smell anything wrong then DTs stepped forward and warned the users. If they denied then they tagged them.
Who is left? |
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Your reputation can sometimes take permanent damage. Apparently that is the direction that you're going for.
I do not think he cares about fucking reputation anymore. We all needs to boycott this fucking cloudbet. I still see people are endorsing them even a global moderator. This is pathetic. Who? Give names. |
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Of course they are. They may not be directly responsible for the scam, but they should have done due diligence. Let's just call it reputational damage.
That is wrong.
It really really depends on whether they had any idea that it is/might be a scam. If they didn't, then they are also victims. |
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Curacao Egaming - with which we are licensed - will act as an arbiter here and we are bound by any ruling they make. We encourage the player to reach out to them directly to present his case.
We intend to fully respect the decision that is reached by Curaçao Egaming, and we hope the community will too.
How about they reach to us, here? Or how about you explain what actually makes this case complicated other than going around the issue?
Someone else will handle it -> more delay + it doesn't spare you from any responsibility. This can sometimes take time, and we thank you for your patience and understanding.
Your reputation can sometimes take permanent damage. Apparently that is the direction that you're going for. |
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This is a different issue. I'm not saying that this is a plagiarism of one of my signature design. Please read again my recent post. Looks like ETHA signature designer recycled some part of my signature design. TokenMarket signature is my signature design. Partial plagiarism is still plagiarism. It isn't .I guess thats your own defention. Even in legal matters if the plagiarism is not exceeding a % it is not counted as plagiarism.Else the whole youtube could be called plagiarism and be sued to death. I'm not interested in your false opinions. Go away already. |
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This is a different issue. I'm not saying that this is a plagiarism of one of my signature design. Please read again my recent post. Looks like ETHA signature designer recycled some part of my signature design. TokenMarket signature is my signature design. Partial plagiarism is still plagiarism. |
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We cannot let AIPAC redefine what antisemitism means. They want to make antisemitism be anything critical of the Israeli government.
The US and its people are most of the time a joke. What Omar stated has nothing to do with antisemitism, it's literally in the job description of AIPAC.  She has been consistent in wanting all money out of politics.
This is utopian thinking for the US as they're mostly a puppet nowadays. |
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With all the respect to the bounty managers from the list, but, if some project will not hire a new manager, this "new" person will never have opportunity to grow and to find new projects, my opinion is that there is more space and work for new managers I am offering myself for managing a bounty campaign Feel free to contact me on Telegram @big_d4ddy Best regards This claim is an objective lie so stop spinning this nonsense due to your own greed. Yahoo and Hhampuz are more than sufficient for most of these project, and there is absolutely no need for random dodgy invididuals. |
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What makes you think that they're allowed to lock coins from someone just because that someone may be an attacker? Unless he did this to TradeOgre with these very coins, this is theft. |
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