Αυτό συμπεριλαμβάνει και την «αξιοσέβαστη» BlackRock;  Όχι φυσικά. Αυτή είναι "καλό παιδί". Παίρνει τα λεφτά του κόσμου, οπότε βοηθάει τις αρχές να ξέρουν ποιος άνθρωπος έχει βάλει πόσα λεφτά. Ταυτόχρονα, κρατούν πλήρως KYCed Bitcoin άρα οι αρχές ξέρουν ότι X bitcoins ανήκουν στην τάδε εταιρεία. Άρα έχουν τη γνώση - έλεγχο. @tsounischris
2 months ago
Να το εξηγήσουμε και αυτό. Η Blackrock ΔΕΝ επενδύει σε Bitcoin. Η ίδια η Blackrock έχει δηλώσει πολλές φορές πως δεν το βλέπει καν σαν επενδυτικό όχημα. ΑΓΟΡΑΖΕΙ όμως Bitcoin για να προσφέρει αντίστοιχα προϊόντα στους πελάτες-επενδυτές της που το ζητούν. Για να μπορέσει δηλαδή η Blackrock να φτιάξει ένα Spot Bitcoin ETF, είναι υποχρεωμένη να κατέχει τον αντίστοιχο αριθμό Bitcoin. Άρα ναι. Ο απλός κόσμος παραμένει τζογαδόρος "επενδύοντας" σε Bitcoin ενώ η Blackrock παραμένει καλή επιχείρηση παρέχοντας στους πελάτες της τα προϊόντα που εκείνοι θέλουν Χαραμίζεται το παιδί... εντωμεταξύ τα παραπάνω ούτε ο Larry Fink δεν τα πιστεύει!  |
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Because, if you believe in the concept of "tainted coins", then that coinbase reward is "tainted" by the "tainted coins" used for the fee. It's as just as easy to trace as any other transaction that could have used those coins. I don't believe in anything, governments do. Read the previous posts. If obfuscation through the use of "multiple UTXOs and multiple wallets" will address the problem, then there's no need to bother with this mining scheme you're imagining. A pool has to pay thousands of miners daily. Adding 20-30 more outputs doesn't seem that big of a deal... What should a pool do if they receive fees from "tainted" coins? Cease operations immediately? Reject the transaction and let another pool mine it? Who are you going to trace exactly if you distribute the fees proportionally according to the hashrate submitted by miners? |
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When a new block is produced, it generates new coins containing the following:
1) Block subsidy (currently 6.25 BTC)
2) Fees (variable amount)
So let's say that you have 30 "dirty" BTC... you can send 1 BTC and pay 29 BTC as "fees" (fat finger "mistake").
Those fees will be included in the coinbase transaction and 29 "clean" BTC -with no previous history/traces- will be produced.
And yeah, the ones that are looking at those addresses are dumb as fuck and they can't see that all the tx are getting confirmed by an unknown pool and all the tx have the fat fingers syndrome. Common, just how dumb do you think people are? You pay a 2 BTC tx fee from an address that is labeled as stolen funds to an anonymous miner and of course, everyone with a working brain cell would label those funds as stolen, you didn't break a thing in the history, and you didn't obfuscate a thing, you just left far more traces and you compromised clear rewards coins also! Common this is cops and robbers material for a 5yo! You better explain these cases and offer a plausible explanation: https://www.coindesk.com/business/2023/11/23/bitcoin-sender-struck-with-31m-transaction-fee-largest-in-history/https://www.theblock.co/post/265387/antpool-agrees-to-refund-record-3-million-bitcoin-transaction-feehttps://www.binance.com/en/feed/post/750985839513https://news.bitcoin.com/mining-pool-btc-com-80-btc-fee-refund/Strangely enough, they always seem to offer a refund... so sweet, right? I don't believe in charity though, nor fat finger mistakes (we all know how anxious someone can become when they have to send serious amounts of money via the BTC network, you double/triple-check the fees, the recipient address, everything). And I don't see they would compromise clear rewards. The US government owns Silk Road coins... so according to your logic, they could use these coins to overpay fees and declare miners "illegal". How come they haven't done it yet? |
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Africans kill each other, therefore Europeans have every right to control them financially.
2 wrongs make 1 right. Okay...  |
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Το YouTube μου πετάει μερικά Bitcoin videos στα προτεινόμενα, τώρα που έχει κάνει φασαρία με τα $70k. Χάσιμο χρόνου είναι τις περισσότερες φορές, αλλά κάποια είναι καλά. Έτσι λοιπόν μου πέταξε σήμερα αυτό: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAA1uzpAyAM. (Αρκεί να δείτε μόνο τα πρώτα λίγα δευτερόλεπτα, και όχι δεν είναι απ' τα καλά) Καταλαβαίνω πως ο άνθρωπος είναι no-coiner και ότι δεν το έχει ψάξει, αλλά προσπαθώ να κατανοήσω τη λογική του. Λέει πως το Bitcoin δεν έχει "εγγενή αξία". Στα σχόλια το συγκρίνει με τις μετοχές, οι οποίες έχουν εγγενή αξία, γιατί παράγουν πραγματικά προϊόντα και υπηρεσίες. Οι μετοχές έχουν εγγενή αξία εκφρασμένη σε fiat currency, από το οποίο μπορεί κανείς να συμπεράνει πως τα fiat currencies έχουν εγγενή αξία αυτά καθ' αυτά μόνα τους. Εγώ ρωτάω: Ποια είναι αυτή; Αν δεν θεωρεί πως έχουν εγγενή αξία, τότε πως μετριέται η εγγενής αξία μιας μετοχής αν όχι σε νόμισμα; Έχω ρωτήσει πολλούς που έχουν τρελαθεί με την μετοχή της nVidia (ή της Apple ή της AMD) τι «εγγενή αξία» θα έχουν μόλις μπουκάρει η Κίνα στην Ταϊβάν και καπαρώσει την TSMC. Ακόμα περιμένω απάντηση... Συστήνω για μελέτη το παρακάτω (δωρεάν PDF ή έντυπο επί πληρωμή): https://thegreattaking.com/read-online-or-downloadΘα τα πάρουν ΟΛΑ πλην προσωπικών πορτοφολιών (εξαιρώ νομίσματα όπως τα USDT, BSV που έχουν εγγενή μηχανισμό κατάσχεσης στην ίδια την blockchain). Όσο για την «ανύπαρκτη» εγγενή αξία του BTC, ας μας πει κάποιος αν έχει αξία να έχεις 10 BTC και να ζεις στην Ουκρανία ή αν έχει αξία να έχεις 10 «χειροπιαστά» ακίνητα στην Ουκρανία (θα τα πάρεις στην πλάτη και θα φύγεις; ). Ας μας πει κάποιος αν θα έχει εγγενή αξία αύριο-μεθαύριο αν τα πάρει στο κρανίο η Ρωσία και ζητάει σατόσια για σιτάρι και όχι δολάρια/ευρώ που τρώνε freeze με ένα κλικ... Ας μας πουν οι no-coiners αν θα ζητιανεύουν 500 σατόσια να φάνε λίγο ψωμάκι από τους κακούς Bitcoiners.  ΥΓ1: Πολύ μου αρέσει που θεωρεί «λίρα εκατό» την «αξιοσέβαστη» BlackRock και ότι ποτέ δεν θα έκλεβε έναν μικρομεσαίο (δεν μιλάω για τον Bill Gates που στανταράκι ξεφορτώνεται δολάρια για BTC ETF). Την ίδια την BlackRock που είναι κώλος και βρακί με το Νταβός. Καλά θα πάει κι αυτό... ΥΓ2: Ο άλλος ο προφέσορας γράφει στα σχόλια (πάντα έχουν ζουμί): @pantelis5528
2 months ago
Η ερωτηση ειναι αλλη. Γιατι να μην επενδυσεις κατευθειαν στην εταιρια (coinbase) και να επενδυσεις στο ιδιο το bitcoin?  |
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Αυτό που θα καταφέρουν, τουλάχιστον όπως το βλέπω εγώ, είναι να αποθαρρύνουν καταστήματα στο να τα δέχονται σαν μεθόδους πληρωμής.
Ακόμα κι αυτό, κέρδος είναι για αυτούς. Άλλωστε φαίνεται να έχουν αποδεχτεί πως δεν γίνεται να ελέγξουν το Bitcoin, αλλά γίνεται να προσπαθήσουν εκβιαστικά να "πνίξουν" τους χρήστες του, μετατρέποντας σε παρανομία την νόμιμη χρήση. Εγώ, προσωπικά, πιστεύω πως ο στόχος είναι διττός: 1. Τρομοκρατία των ιδιοκτητών καταστημάτων, προκειμένου να μην μπορούν να χρησιμοποιήσουν BTC σαν hard cash. 2. Προπαγάνδα στον κόσμο ότι όλοι όσοι έχουν BTC, είναι άνθρωποι που το έχουν αποκτήσει παράνομα.Αυτό συμπεριλαμβάνει και την «αξιοσέβαστη» BlackRock; |
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So let's say that you have 30 "dirty" BTC... you can send 1 BTC and pay 29 BTC as "fees" (fat finger "mistake").
Those fees will be included in the coinbase transaction and 29 "clean" BTC -with no previous history/traces- will be produced.
Although there is no actual transaction sending the 29 BTC to the coinbase transaction but there is a clear and direct link between the 29 BTC fee and the outputs of the coinbase tx and also wherever they would go in the future. After all that high paying tx was included in the same block hence the link. There would also be nothing "clean" about the coinbase outputs. Why not? The perpetrator can get his money back in multiple UTXOs and multiple wallets to obfuscate the origins even more... It doesn't have to be a single UTXO. |
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Or maybe those who mine on Ocean can afford to be idealistic. I don't believe in "idealism" (sounds like communism/socialism), I believe that maximum profit has to be generated in capitalism. Miners don't care if dick pics can generate them more profit via increased BTC fees, they'll let it slide. I also don't believe in fat finger "mistakes" or "charity" or "philanthropism" or however you wanna call it. |
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Rumors say that North Korea already has a "private miner" (secret pool) occasionally laundering tainted BTC. Technically it's a clever way to exploit the protocol (even better than mixing), legal-wise it would get you in a lot of trouble.
If you would have said mixer then it would have been plausible, but a pool can't launder bitcoins! As long as it's a valid tx every pool will add it to the chain, no block containing a non valid tx will be accepted by the nodes, mining pools can't seize your funds they would just be able to refuse your tx but if somebody has managed to tag those coins and tell all pools not to mien them then no exchange would accept them anyhow! Having their own private mixer to do this, yeah possible, although all the traces point to them using the same mixers as everyone! Having their own mining pool to generate revenue, using subsidized electricity they can't use for anything else to generate bitcoins and turn those into much-needed foreign currency definitely, I would be surprised if they wouldn't have already thought and set that up. But having a pool to clean coins, no, it makes no sense! By exploiting the protocol I meant generating a new coinbase transaction with new coins that have zero traces/history. I wasn't talking about mixing.
How do you launder old "dirty" bitcoins by mining coinbase fresh ones? The moment you stack them up you taint both of them! When a new block is produced, it generates new coins containing the following: 1) Block subsidy (currently 6.25 BTC) 2) Fees (variable amount) So let's say that you have 30 "dirty" BTC... you can send 1 BTC and pay 29 BTC as "fees" (fat finger "mistake"). Those fees will be included in the coinbase transaction and 29 "clean" BTC -with no previous history/traces- will be produced. Protocol-wise nothing wrong has been done (same with Ordinals, even though some people don't like it and consider it an exploit), but if someone can cooperate beforehand with a certain pool, then let's say he can get 27 BTC back and pay 2 BTC to the pool for "cleaning" the coins and their naughty history (could be stolen from an exchange, a Ponzi scheme or whatever). |
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The bold parts are wrong terms you are using. There is no such thing as "tainted bitcoins" and if you are using any method to mix your coins it is not called "laundering" nor is it "exploiting the protocol". By exploiting the protocol I meant generating a new coinbase transaction with new coins that have zero traces/history. I wasn't talking about mixing. I know the protocol doesn't have feelings, but governments do... The concept of "tainted coins" is a fake concept started by those who are against bitcoin and privacy and as an attack on Bitcoin. It only affects centralized services in certain jurisdiction where such basic citizen right violation laws are being enforced. It doesn't affect Bitcoin.
You missed this post: There is nothing like a tainted coin on the bitcoin network. Once the transaction meets the requirements set by the network protocol. The transaction is verified by the nodes, so even if you control more than the 51% percent needed for attack you still need to include the right transaction which meets the protocol requirements and not just any transaction I know how the protocol works, but I was talking from a legal perspective. Imagine that you pay X BTC to someone and then he tries to deposit it to a CEX, because he wants to liquidate it... you're gonna get into trouble if it's deemed to be tainted by AML. Don't assume that everyone wants to hodl BTC in their wallet. Some people will want to liquidate it for fiat. |
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There is nothing like a tainted coin on the bitcoin network. Once the transaction meets the requirements set by the network protocol. The transaction is verified by the nodes, so even if you control more than the 51% percent needed for attack you still need to include the right transaction which meets the protocol requirements and not just any transaction I know how the protocol works, but I was talking from a legal perspective. Imagine that you pay X BTC to someone and then he tries to deposit it to a CEX, because he wants to liquidate it... you're gonna get into trouble if it's deemed to be tainted by AML. |
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colonizers may be kicked out but someone else is going to replace them. Niger for example kicked out French and US but whos going there after them? well, the newest that will stay there in the guise of having tons of investments and building their economy is China. it may not look like they win the country by war and establish the government but they are there through the businesses they put up like the BRI and most probably China will also make them use their digital Yuan in the end.
it's just a series of colonization. African countries today are starting to speak Chinese already. Oui? Correct, financial colonization is the way to go, war is no longer needed in most cases: https://www.business-standard.com/world-news/china-s-debt-diplomacy-threatens-african-countries-natural-assets-123041000009_1.htmlhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debt-trap_diplomacywant to know the most basic and simple cause?
here goes
simply manipulating FOREX currency exchange
if african currency stayed at 1:1 of one loaf of bread in africa was same price (different currency) as 1 US loaf of bread. the economics would be fairer for africa
if african currency stayed at 1hours labourUS:1hours labour africa (same price (different currency)). the economics would be fairer for africa
but by manipulating the rate where by EU/US can get food/labour and other things in multiples from africa for far less than EU/US prices. africa will always be victimised, invaded, resource/land taken and used.. because its cheaper
and on the flip side. due to the multiples of cost to get equipment and tools from US/EU it slows down africa's domestic development speed to not match that of EU/US
EG if a US farmer(min wage $15) can get a new harvester for $150k (10,000 min wage labour hours) (every 5 years)
EG if a african farmer(min wage $0.50) has to pay for a new harvester for $150k (300,000 min wage labour hours) deprived by 30x(~600 labour years)
you soon see how forex rate does not help africans prosper but does show how the US/EU can then use the cheap equipment on their side to then become big EU owned industrial farmers of african land with 30x land plot size in africa, at just the cost of family farming plot in EU
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yes africa exists in the world economy of resources and labour. but when ranked based on currency rate of USD, then it appears low Africa is a less developed economy/continent, so it makes sense to have cheaper currencies to attract investors... US farmers have tractors, while African farmers use cattle to plough their fields. That's why an African farmer has to work more hours and earn less. The productivity is just not the same (capital-intensive vs labor-intensive economy). AI and robots will further widen the productivity gap... If every country had 1:1 peg with the USD, then what's the point of investing in less developed economies? Everyone would invest in the US due to safety and advanced infrastructure. So far there is no conspiracy... just simple economics. What's not OK is to have an externally imposed, non-sovereign currency (CFA). That's another form of financial colonization: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/zvlzb4/togolese_human_rights_activist_explains_french/but since the 1940s, they have been using CFA French money til 2023. using the money of the French while the French themselves abandoned this currency. forcing them to use the French money is economic slavery and this is why these countries will remain poor. you can imagine how much manipulation can be done to their economy while using other governments' money. It also happens in Eurozone... strong countries control smaller ones via financial means. Btw, France never used CFA. They had a different currency (FRF) before the euro. |
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So far, I know that when bitcoin transactions are initiated it goes into the mempool and stays there long enough for miners to include it in their blocks to be confirmed. The length of time it spends there is unpredictable, especially if the fees aren't high enough to interest greedy miners towards its inclusion. This really discourages lots of people from using the network. sometimes I encourage clients to make payments to me through bitcoin, but a lot of them reject my requests because of this very reason of unpredictability of transactions confirmation time.
Recently, i was thinking of a way around this to hasten transactions possibly for regions that accept bitcoin, and more importantly for companies who intend or are already accepting the coin within a locality. I think they can come together and create a union or group, purchase hardwares and get their own miners and have them join mining pools to share resources and minimize costs. These private miners are left with the responsibilities of immediately including transactions from their hosts which the hash will be sent directly to them in the next block to be confirmed. now the companies concerned can assure clients of less than 30 minutes of transaction confirmation or thereabout.
I really think this will boost user's confidence and trigger mass adoption in many localities as the complexities of these transactions are now reduced to the barest minimum. these private miners still participate in general activities for profitability and covering operation costs, but are made to prioritize transactions from their hosts. this might still mean good business opportunity for the companies concerned because others will still want to join in the future and they profit from the expansion alongside their activities. I admit that many companies offer transaction accelerations like viaBTC, but their fees are so high and not readily affordable. My thoughts are with grassroot implementations and more bitcoin adoption. I am also aware of governmental taxes, but I'm convinced that proceeds from the mining activities can cover for those and keep the business on the profit side. What you're suggesting could have unintended consequences... For example, someone who has contacts with the "private miner" could send BTC of questionable origins and try to eliminate traces in the blockchain by producing a new coinbase transaction with clean coins. I also remember someone setting an exorbitant amount of fees (fat finger mistakes can happen, but highly unlikely when you send large amounts of money). Rumors say that North Korea already has a "private miner" (secret pool) occasionally laundering tainted BTC. Technically it's a clever way to exploit the protocol (even better than mixing), legal-wise it would get you in a lot of trouble. If you want reduced BTC fees, try to send BTC during the weekends (single digit/sat blocks) and/or use LN. |
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Your idea sounds cool but it is missing an important part: the incentive.
You see miners choose transactions with highest fee to maximize their income, what you are suggesting is going to reduce their income. Depending on the scale of this operation it could be a lot of missed income (like if they handle a lot of transactions from a lot of businesses).
Why should they do this and what will they get in return? Because "reasons" (Ocean pool supporters)... Let's just say some people don't really understand Economics, even though they're Bitcoiners (even worse if they're long-time ones). |
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Να τους παραδώσεις τα κλειδιά μού ακούγεται κάτι που δεν θα το έκανε μια φιλική προς τα crypto χώρα. Το να τους δείξεις πορτοφόλι και πόσα BTC έχεις πάλι δε μου ακούγεται λογικό. Π.χ., πως θα ελέγξουν ότι δεν τους λες ψέματα κι έχεις κι άλλα στην κατοχή σου; Θυμάμαι ότι ζητούσαν 3 BTC κάποτε (όταν άξιζαν $100.000), τώρα μπορεί το όριο να έχει αλλάξει. Τα υπόλοιπα είναι εύλογα ερωτήματα που μπορεί να τα απαντήσει μόνο όποιος είναι ήδη εκεί... Το ότι το έκανε ένας και δεν είχε θέμα δε θα το λάμβανα και πολύ υπόψιν. Δεν είμαι ειδικός, αλλά μου ακούγεται πολύ παράνομο να βάλεις ψεύτικο ΑΦΜ. Δεν είναι μόνο ένας... Το ΑΦΜ σαν αριθμός έχει κάτι σαν checksum ενσωματωμένο. Η Revolut δεν έχει υλοποιήσει κάποιον έλεγχο και το δέχεται "as is". Ας πούμε ότι κάποιος δεν έβαλε ολοκληρωτικά αλλαγμένο αριθμό (κάτι που υποδηλώνει δόλο), αλλά άλλαξε ένα ψηφίο μόνο... μπορεί να ισχυριστεί ότι έγινε κατά λάθος (έχουμε δει ανάλογα περιστατικά και με BTC πορτοφόλια) και ότι είναι ευθύνη της Revolut που δεν το ελέγχει. Ακόμα είναι νωρίς, πολύ νωρίς... την μέρα που θα γίνει πράξη θα πάει στα 6 ψηφία και ίσως να μην ξαναπέσει ποτέ στα 5. In other news: https://cointelegraph.com/news/eu-enacts-ban-on-anonymous-crypto-transactions-via-self-custody-walletsΤο όριο των €3000 για anonymous cash payments δεν μπήκε τυχαία... θα είναι και το όριο του CBDC wallet (gov.gr wallet στα δικά μας). Φυσικά αυτό αφορά μόνο μαγαζιά, αν και τυπικά* στην Ελλάδα εδώ και πολλά χρόνια ισχύει όριο €500. Μάλιστα ήθελαν να το ρίξουν στα €200, αλλά η ΕΚΤ έριξε άκυρο στην κυβέρνηση. Γιατί το €500 χαρτονόμισμα είναι ακόμα legal tender (άσχετα αν δεν τυπώνεται από το 2018, κυκλοφορούν ακόμα). * ανεπίσημα ξέρω κόσμο που έχει πληρώσει με πολύ παραπάνω... π.χ. €12000 για αγορά μηχανής. Τα δίνεις στον έμπορο, αυτός τα καταθέτει στην τράπεζα και είναι ΟΚ. Παράνομο φυσικά, αλλά στην ζούλα πολλά γίνονται. Όποιος έχει εμπειρία και κινείται στην αγορά ξέρει. Γενικώς δεν ανησυχώ όσο υπάρχει μετρητό (και δεν έχει υπερπληθωριστεί). Όλα αυτά είναι ημίμετρα γεμάτα loopholes. Θα ανησυχήσω όταν καταργηθεί (είτε δια νόμου, είτε μέσω υπερπληθωρισμού). Ακόμα και στα ακίνητα που είπαν τέλος το μετρητό (μόνο τραπεζική κατάθεση), κανένας δεν σου απαγορεύει να μεταβιβάσεις ακίνητο ως «δωρεά» και να γίνει η συναλλαγή κάτω από το τραπέζι όπως επιθυμείς (μετρητά, χρυσές λίρες, BTC, XMR, you name it). Θα ανησυχήσω γύρω στο 2032 που ΔΕΝ θα μπορείς να μεταβιβάσεις ακίνητο όχι λόγω CBDC (σίγουρα θα είναι περιοριστικό το όριο των €3000, ούτε κοτέτσι δεν αγοράζεις), αλλά λόγω πράσινης/κλιματικής νομοθεσίας που θα σου απαγορεύει να μεταβιβάσεις/ενοικιάσεις ακίνητο αν δεν είναι 100% πράσινο/κλιματικά ουδέτερο/Net Zero-certified. Πόσοι το γνωρίζουν αυτό άραγε; Μέσα σε 10 χρόνια αρκετοί θα πεθάνουν (και από φυσιολογική γήρανση, είμαστε γηρασμένη χώρα) και τα παιδιά τους δεν θα μπορέσουν να κληρονομήσουν τα ακίνητα των γονέων/παππούδων... θα τα πάρουν έναντι πινακίου φακής εταιρίες ειδικού σκοπού, θα τα αναβαθμίσουν ενεργειακά/κλιματικά και θα τα πουλάνε χρυσάφι ή μάλλον νοικιάζουν (Home Pass). Έτσι θα «λυθεί» και το πρόβλημα της ακριβής στέγασης θα πουν. Μάλιστα είναι τόσο μπαγαπόντηδες που θα σου πουν «ααα κοίτα να δεις, εμείς σου δώσαμε επιδότηση και deadline να τα αναβαθμίσεις, πρόβλημά σου αν δεν το έκανες»: https://www.kalavrytanews.com/2023/03/2032.htmlhttps://news.b2green.gr/30604/%CE%B7-%CF%85%CF%80%CE%BF%CF%87%CF%81%CE%B5%CF%89%CF%84%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE-%CE%B5%CE%BD%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B3%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%AE-%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%B1%CE%B2%CE%AC%CE%B8%CE%BC%CE%B9%CF%83%CE%B7Βέβαια οι επιδοτήσεις είναι για λίγους (όποιος προλάβει) και πρέπει να τσοντάρεις και από την τσέπη σου (πόσοι Έλληνες έχουν το απαραίτητο κεφάλαιο? ειδικά με την φτωχοποίηση των τελευταίων 16 ετών): https://www.kathimerini.gr/economy/561632275/ena-ekatommyrio-akinita-prepei-na-anavathmistoyn-energeiaka-eos-to-2032/https://www.protothema.gr/economy/article/1350242/neoi-belades-gia-akinita-me-hamili-energeiaki-klasi/Δυστυχώς ο κόσμος δεν ξέρει τι του ξημερώνει (The Great -Property- Reset)... για αυτό λέω ότι όλο αυτό το αφήγημα με την κλιματική αλλαγή θα είναι η μεγαλύτερη αρπαγή πλούτου στην Ιστορία και θα γίνει 100% νομότυπα. TL;DR: η ιδιοκτησία και η ελευθερία είναι υπό διωγμό. Δικαιολογίες θα βρεθούν άπειρες... |
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By the way, a question - what do you think are the feelings now experienced by ordinary residents of El Salvador, who, for example, a week ago transferred their income to Bitcoin and today have lost more than 12%?
1 btc still equals to 1 btc? Isn't this what we are saying every time we encounter the volatility argument? USD is a get poor slow scheme, It will surely make you poor in the next 20 years. > get poor slow BTC is a get rich fast, get poor even faster scheme. On a 5-10 year period, btc will surely make you rich. > get rich quick On a 1 month period, it might make you 50% poorer. > get poor very fast That's how bitcoin has been since the beginning. It is all about having a choice. Depending on what they want, they have the option to: 1- get poor slow, 2- get rich fast, or 3- get poor very fast You also forgot to mention that when BTC gets cheaper, then a merchant that accepts BTC will actually get more satoshis for a product/service that he sold... that's not a bad thing. Regarding fiat "stability", it's a myth. Sure, you may argue that USD or EUR don't experience 5-10% volatility in a single day, but they're still volatile currencies (I still see different prices every time I visit the supermarket). I remember back in 2008 you could get 160 USD with 100 EUR. Now you only get 108 USD... not to mention that people's wages have fallen. Gold is volatile too. Houses are volatile too (remember the housing crisis back in 2008?). In fact there is nothing stable in this universe:  I get it, Homo Sapiens is a deeply insecure species and will always seek "security/stability", but this is an exercise in futility. It would go against the universe's laws to achieve 100% stability and 0% risk. |
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First of all: Fuck them.
Second of all: They can't censor the bitcoin network.
It's as big of a strawman as Nigeria, Russia or Bangladesh banning crypto.
Stupid laws like this make everyone put aside their differences and unite. CSW too.
Wait, what? I thought you had said BRICs are against crypto: The BRICS countries always criticize and ban cryptocurrency. I doubt they will ever make one their primary currency. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5480536.msg63852510#msg63852510 |
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