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201  Other / Politics & Society / Re: "It is a moral requirement to make money when you can" - Is it really? on: September 18, 2018, 12:36:42 PM
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Got this from reddit. I cannot help but exclaim when I read the news that a pharma exec said that it is a moral requirement for them to raise the price to up to 400% for a UTI medicine. I mean, yeah sure it's great to make money but I think it is straight up bullshit to say that it is a "moral requirement". What part of that is moral? How will you be able to justify raising a price of a medicine that is really not that expensive to make, a cure for an infection that is not even uncommon.

I believe he is referring to his stock holders... a CEO has a requirement to make the corporate stock holders happy, or they will fire him.  This is a problem with corporatism.

The CEO has an obligation to make profits by any means necessary (often illegal, as in the case of Wells Fargo).  He is referring to his "moral requirement" to stock holders / board of directors, rather than any moral requirement to the citizens of the country.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wells_Fargo_account_fraud_scandal

It's a bullshit way to say, "they would fire me if I didn't raise the price"... unfortunately it is true, they would simply fire him and replace him with a CEO willing to raise the price by 400%

This is a problem with corporations... it's all about the money, and they will crush anyone who gets in their way, even their own CEO
202  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Christianity is Poison on: September 18, 2018, 12:29:42 PM
To believe or not to believe is the choice of the person himself. I personally like the quote, Blaise Pascal:
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Let us weigh the gain and the loss in wagering that God is. Let us estimate these two chances. If you gain, you gain all; if you lose, you lose nothing.
"If there is no God, and I believe in Him, I do not lose anything. But if God exists, and I do not believe in Him, I lose everything."

Pascal's wager has problems of it's own... for example, which God are you referring to?

If I believe in the Christian God, I cannot believe in the Hindu god(s)... If I believe in the Muslim God, I cannot believe in the Norse gods...

I suppose you could turn the proposition around... Figure out which religion has the worst version of hell to be afraid of... and join that religion


I'd like to think that if a god exists, he would appreciate me not believing in things without evidence.  God would appreciate me not blindly following the first religion that crossed my path.

I can't even imagine a god that would care more about what you *believe* rather than what you *do* (and if it was true, I would definitely NOT worship such a god)
203  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists Hate Religion? on: September 18, 2018, 12:19:09 PM
Based on my common sense I still believe that a creation will never ever be created without a creator...

If nothing can be created without a creator... who created God?

If you say God can exist without a creator, why can't the universe exist without a creator?  Why fill your "gap of knowledge" with "God"?  According to science (Akham's Razor), the universe existing without a God creating it would be a better (simpler) explanation... God is unnecessary and redundant in the creation scenario

If God created everything, then God is responsible for all diseases like flesh-eating bacteria.
Why would God create a parasite that eats a human eyeball from the inside-out? (is God sadistic?)
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/students-eye-eaten-inside-dangerous-5706836
204  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Supreme Court pick Brett Kavanaugh on: September 18, 2018, 12:05:30 PM


205  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Christianity is Poison on: September 18, 2018, 11:56:22 AM
What Moloch said about how senators, the police, the cops cannot make things illegal just because they say so is I believe to be false.

Perhaps an example would help?

A cop could not break into my house without a warrant, and tell me that alcohol is illegal for anyone under 80 years old.  Just because a cop or senator says something, does not make it a law.  If the cop were to arrest me for such a non-crime, he would get fired and probably put in jail himself.  I would have the right to sue the city for false imprisonment.

Sure, if enough senators get together with enough members of the house of representatives, they could write a law and make it illegal.  Then it would be up to the courts to uphold or overturn the law.

Your viewing this from the perspective that everything works in a proper way. Look at the idea of Marijuana. It's Illegal, and the government can say all they want that they are trying to prevent the circulation of it, and yet it's still there. Why? Because in some way or another, Officials help its circulation for their own benefits. And what better way to do it than using their power right? Just like what I said, Rules are dead and people are alive. Some people just take advantage of the rules since they can bend it to a certain extent without being punished. Doesn't this make it look that what is Illegal can be Legal?

I'm simply talking about the law, and what is legal or illegal.

If you want to talk about those in power being above the law, that is a completely different topic.  The fact that some people break laws and don't get punished has no bearing on whether the crime they committed was legal or illegal.

This argument started over BADLogic claiming things are illegal because a person says so... this is simply not the case... period... full stop.. end of story
206  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists Hate Religion? on: September 18, 2018, 03:31:11 AM
207  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Christianity is Poison on: September 18, 2018, 02:38:23 AM
What Moloch said about how senators, the police, the cops cannot make things illegal just because they say so is I believe to be false.

Perhaps an example would help?

A cop could not break into my house without a warrant, and tell me that alcohol is illegal for anyone under 80 years old.  Just because a cop or senator says something, does not make it a law.  If the cop were to arrest me for such a non-crime, he would get fired and probably put in jail himself.  I would have the right to sue the city for false imprisonment.

Sure, if enough senators get together with enough members of the house of representatives, they could write a law and make it illegal.  Then it would be up to the courts to uphold or overturn the law.

I've seen polls showing 94% of Americans want medical marijuana to be legal... does that make it legal?  Unfortunately, no... our government does not care what the citizens want to be legal or illegal

The point is, nothing is legal or illegal just because someone says it is... that's not how our legal system works... a city, state, or federal government can write a law to make something legal or illegal

208  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The difference between science and religion on: September 17, 2018, 11:55:46 AM
If you took all the religions in the world and destroyed them, in 1000 years there would be entirely new religions, completely different from the old religions...

If you took all the science in the world and destroyed it... in 1000 years there would be EXACTLY THE SAME SCIENCE

Mathematics is not something invented by humans, it is discovered by humans... mathematics is the same in any language, on any planet... 1 + 1 = 2 is a provable concept and does not change based on societal norms or which deities they currently worship

Newton and Leibniz are credited with the co-discovery of calculus... they did not invent it, they both discovered it at the same time... math/science is universal, religion is not

I really agree on this explanation but to me  religion is faith-based while math/science is faith-based. I know the worshippers will give it different names as they want but their motive is always to seek help or thank the Almighty One.

I assume you mean math/science is fact-based not faith-based... math/science is based on facts which you can show to another person... I can show you that 1 + 1 = 2... I can show you how to do an experiment that proves the Earth is spherical... science shows you the evidence, rather than asserting claims without facts or evidence which can be shown to someone (the way religion does it)
209  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Christianity is Poison on: September 17, 2018, 11:46:51 AM
You do know that something becomes illegal when somebody says it is illegal, don't you? I mean, if a cop says "That's illegal," then it's illegal, right? But if you won't accept a cop, maybe a senator who gets together with other government people and say, "That's illegal," then its illegal, right?

Is it illegal if 10,000 people say, "It's legal," and 500 Congress people say, "It's illegal?"

That's not how it works... that's not how any of this works... where would you even get such ideas?  "somebody", "a cop", "a senator", cannot make things illegal just because they say so... we have laws... laws make things illegal

words matter... learn some

P.S. there is no law that says it is illegal to "covet your neighbor's ass", or "make graven images", or "dishonor the sabbath", or "dishonor your father and mother" or most of those 10-commandments which people like you claim are the basis for our legal system
210  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The difference between science and religion on: September 16, 2018, 04:22:13 PM
If you are truly interested (you did ask the question after all), here is a video series by Aron Ra explaining it all to you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXQP_R-yiuw&list=PLXJ4dsU0oGMLnubJLPuw0dzD0AvAHAotW

Aron has compiled a series of 34 videos so far, tracing human evolution from bacteria to the current day... after 34 videos, he is almost up to where humans evolved... almost

I haven't watch the video yet but ok lets assume that this person is right. Did he explain where did the bacteria came from?

His video series is about evolution.  Abiogenesis is a completely different subject.  Wikipedia has a decent article on abiogenesis, complete with 335 cited sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis

There have been several experiments which show how abiogenesis is possible.  The first was the Miller-Urey experiment in 1952:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller–Urey_experiment

Of course science doesn't just take the word of Miller and Urey.  Repeatability is a foundation of science.  A single experiment means nothing until it is repeated by a completely separate group of scientists.  This test, and similar tests have been repeated with positive results many times:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller–Urey_experiment#Other_experiments

Abiogenesis is simply a part of evolution

Abiogenesis has never been "a part of evolution"... abiogenesis is about the origin of life... evolution is about changes to life-forms over time... 2 completely different topics

Abiogenesis happened once (we assume), evolution happens continuously, every second of every day... totally not the same thing

Did you note that you said that there are experiments that show that abiogenesis is possible? These same experiments show that it takes intelligence to make abiogenesis.

Apparently you didn't read the experiment... no intelligence involved... it's simply chemicals in a jar where lightning changes the base chemicals into amino acids, the building blocks of life

Amino acids have been found inside meteorites from space... who put them there, God?
https://www.nasa.gov/topics/solarsystem/features/life-components.html

Why would God put all this evidence for evolution everywhere?  Just to confuse scientists?  Wouldn't it make more sense for God to leave evidence for creationism instead of evidence for evolution?
211  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Pennsylvania Catholic Church covers up 300 chomo priests on: September 16, 2018, 04:06:03 PM
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Keep in mind the hotline is just the beginning. The stories that come in will be investigated and they will have to be confirmed. It’s merely the first step in a long, difficult journey. But it’s also a step that many victims felt they couldn’t take until now (for a number of legitimate reasons).

All the more reasons for other states to set up their own hotlines — and to make sure they’re adequately staffed.

I certainly agree. Would the hotlines be usable for Islamic perv clergy as well?

Or do you just want to focus on Catholic and ignore the tenfold higher endemic problem with Muslims?

I guess the wealth of the Vatican makes them a more INTERESTING TARGET from the point of view of avaricious lawyers.

Wait, what was the goal here?

The topic is about catholic pedophiles... why do you keep posting off-topic nonsense?  What is your goal here?

I have already stated I don't like pedophiles from any religion... why do you keep bringing up Islam as if it is the topic, or relevant to the topic, or that I would have a different opinion of an Islamic pedophile?

I have stated my focus on catholics is because they are local to me... here in America... not somewhere on the other side of the planet... I have already stated an accusation is completely different from a court ordered report of a grand jury investigation...  I have no problem if you want to open an Islamic pedophile hotline... good luck with that
212  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What is School for? on: September 16, 2018, 12:40:22 PM
School is designed to turn people into slaves

School does not teach critical thinking skills... you are never taught how to think for yourself... you are only taught how to repeat information for a test... you only need to memorize information for a week or so at a time, and after being tested, you can forget it all

Schools don't teach you how to be a business owner, instead they teach you how to be a slave to a business owner

School gets you prepared for the 8-hour work day... which is horrible to be honest... people work 8 hours a day, spend another hour driving to work, another hour on lunch break... that's 10 hours set aside for work... plus 8 hours for sleep, leaves you with 6 hours a day for yourself...  during these 6 hours you have to do other things like shit, shower, shave, cook, eat, take care of the kids/pets, etc... in the end, you are lucky to get an hour a day to spend doing what you want to do (and not much time to think about your situation of being a slave, or how to make it better)

Employers want to pay people as little as possible, so the owner/CEO can take all the profits from the company.

Sounds like a great system, if you enjoy being a slave

It all starts with school
213  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Christianity is Poison on: September 16, 2018, 12:18:44 PM
....Only the bible would declare thoughts to be illegal

Hmm....

And Facebook, and Twitter, and Youtube, and ...

You do know the difference between something being illegal... and a private company removing someone from their platform... right?

The bible says thought crimes are worthy of the death penalty... has Facebook, Twitter or YouTube employed the death penalty on anyone for thought crimes?

I'm going with the False Analogy Fallacy on this one

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_analogy#False_analogy
214  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Pennsylvania Catholic Church covers up 300 chomo priests on: September 16, 2018, 12:15:01 PM
New Jersey Priest Abuse Hotline Gets So Many Calls That People Can’t Get Through
http://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2018/09/15/new-jersey-priest-abuse-hotline-gets-so-many-calls-that-people-cant-get-through/

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A hotline set up by New Jersey officials for citizens to report sexual abuse by priests was so overwhelmed with calls that the state had to assign more workers to the hotline — and people are still having trouble getting through.

New Jersey Attorney General Gurbir S. Grewal launched a special task force to look into allegations of sexual abuse within the state’s branches of the Catholic Church, and part of that included a call-in center for victims to give tips to investigators… and those tips haven’t stopped coming in.

    [Spokesman for the Division of Criminal Justice Peter Aseltine], who would not disclose how many calls have been received, said the state has taken steps to ensure that the hotline is adequately staffed. Calls yesterday to the toll-free number, (855) 363-6548, were being answered almost immediately.

    The move by New Jersey to set up a task force and hotline was taken in the wake of the explosive Pennsylvania grand jury report released in August, which detailed in graphic terms the sex abuse by hundreds of priests who had preyed upon children for decades.

    In an interview with NPR, Attorney General Gurbir S. Grewal said the response underscored the need to have hotlines across the country, “because I am certain that this abuse, given the pattern and practices that the Pennsylvania report identified, was not limited to the Northeast.”

Why was the line so overwhelmed? Perhaps because of how much Church leaders have downplayed the scandals and covered up for fellow priests. Perhaps because more people are willing to speak out when they believe investigators will actually take them seriously for once. Perhaps because people have seen what’s happened in Pennsylvania and Boston and have been waiting for the opportunity to tell someone their own stories. When people in power are honestly listening, it’s not surprising that stories will pour out of people who have been afraid to speak out.

Certain advocates for child abuse survivors already knew the Church’s power and secrecy were keeping some victims silent, so they predicted the hotline would be popular.

    Mark Crawford, the state director of the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, said he had anticipated there could well be a great many calls to the state’s hotline.

    “I suspect they are getting many calls from victims throughout the country who once lived here as a youngster and experienced clergy sexual abuse at that time,” he said. “I know this as I myself have received many calls — far more than the regular volume of survivors reaching out. Some in their 70’s who stated they had never spoken to someone, anyone of their abuse before now.”

Keep in mind the hotline is just the beginning. The stories that come in will be investigated and they will have to be confirmed. It’s merely the first step in a long, difficult journey. But it’s also a step that many victims felt they couldn’t take until now (for a number of legitimate reasons).

All the more reasons for other states to set up their own hotlines — and to make sure they’re adequately staffed.
215  Other / Politics & Society / Re: “Does America want a creepy porn lawyer as president?” on: September 15, 2018, 01:57:10 PM
She's likely the best paid whore on the planet.

I don't think 150000$ is the highest; there hv been costlier ones.

But she has alot more to be paid, potentially.

Not even close... Fox paid $32 million to silence one woman about Bill O'Reilly
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/10/report-fox-settled-32-million-harassment-case-vs-oreilly.html

That's a sexual harassment out of court settlement.

I am referring here to simply sex for money.

Daniels wasn't harassed.

Since you want to be all technical, Daniels wasn't paid anything for sex (AFAIK)... the money she received was hush money... she had to sign a NDA in order to receive the money.

This is exactly the same thing as O'Reilly's case... both were out of court settlements where the woman was paid to keep quiet about sexual encounters with someone

I don't know if there were any accusations, but in either case it is a mute point.  Without a guilty verdict from a judge/jury, accusations mean nothing.  They were both paid to keep silent.


216  Other / Politics & Society / Re: “Does America want a creepy porn lawyer as president?” on: September 15, 2018, 01:23:13 PM
She's likely the best paid whore on the planet.

I don't think 150000$ is the highest; there hv been costlier ones.

But she has alot more to be paid, potentially.

Not even close... Fox paid $32 million to silence one woman about Bill O'Reilly
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/10/report-fox-settled-32-million-harassment-case-vs-oreilly.html
217  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Christianity is Poison on: September 15, 2018, 01:13:01 PM
I didn't realize there were people who seriously think religion should be in charge of upholding the law and prosecuting criminal behavior...

How is this different from Sharia Law?

Do you not see the hypocrisy?

Law originally comes through religion.

Lets just ignore the fact that the Code of Hammurabi is older than the bible

Some people claim there is evidence that the laws of Moses were influenced, if not directly copied from the Code of Hammurabi (I hear some sections are word for word copies)

Also note, the 10-commandments are not laws in any country on this planet.  The only 2 that are even laws (killing and stealing), were illegal long before the bible was written.  Killing and stealing have been illegal since before written language was developed!

Other parts of the 10-commandments have never been laws.  It is not illegal to "covet your neighbors ass", and never has been in any country, ever.  Only the bible would declare thoughts to be illegal
218  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The difference between science and religion on: September 15, 2018, 01:02:22 PM
If you are truly interested (you did ask the question after all), here is a video series by Aron Ra explaining it all to you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXQP_R-yiuw&list=PLXJ4dsU0oGMLnubJLPuw0dzD0AvAHAotW

Aron has compiled a series of 34 videos so far, tracing human evolution from bacteria to the current day... after 34 videos, he is almost up to where humans evolved... almost

I haven't watch the video yet but ok lets assume that this person is right. Did he explain where did the bacteria came from?

His video series is about evolution.  Abiogenesis is a completely different subject.  Wikipedia has a decent article on abiogenesis, complete with 335 cited sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis

There have been several experiments which show how abiogenesis is possible.  The first was the Miller-Urey experiment in 1952:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller–Urey_experiment

Of course science doesn't just take the word of Miller and Urey.  Repeatability is a foundation of science.  A single experiment means nothing until it is repeated by a completely separate group of scientists.  This test, and similar tests have been repeated with positive results many times:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller–Urey_experiment#Other_experiments
219  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Pennsylvania Catholic Church covers up 300 chomo priests on: September 15, 2018, 12:40:23 PM
Pointing your finger at another group does not make the catholics any less child molesty

This is commonly known as the False Equivalence Fallacy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence

Sorry, not sorry
220  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The difference between science and religion on: September 14, 2018, 12:02:45 PM
When we apply real DMT science to religion, aren't we turning science into religion?

No, science is hypothesizing that Moses hallucinated via known mechanisms.  This is based on the facts which I already presented.  There is no request to "take it on faith" or any of that jazz.  I presented facts and evidence.  The evidence I presented could be tested by anyone.

That's the whole point of science.  You can test it for yourself.  Unlike religion, where you are asked to trust the writings of an ancient desert dwelling tribe without the ability to test any of their claims.

Then why science "can't explain the existence of life and why science can't explain if where did the evolution begins". That can simply tell us that science can't explain everything. Just imagine how did they concluded that we came from apes based on charles darwin's theory yet he cannot explain the core of evolution that he presented.

If we came from apes then where did the ape came from? From the fussil? Where did the fussil came from? So basically science cannot dig in deeper to that which makes science not completely rational IMO.

I just hate the fact that people thinks that science is perfect which is obviously not.

Everytime I ask some atheist to why science can't just simply explains everything they will always tells me that because science is still progressing. Lol seriously? That is just a pure common sense that because there is someone who created everything

Nobody says science is perfect...

When science doesn't know the answer, scientists say, "I don't know", which is a much better answer than religious people pulling an answer out of their ass...

I'd rather have someone say, "I don't know" than claim to have an answer they don't have, with no evidence to back up their claim.

If you want to know about evolution and where apes came from, google it... science has those answers... science can trace the path of human evolution for a billion years, basically since we were bacteria.  There is enough evidence to convince anyone if you simple look (obviously you have not looked)

If you are truly interested (you did ask the question after all), here is a video series by Aron Ra explaining it all to you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXQP_R-yiuw&list=PLXJ4dsU0oGMLnubJLPuw0dzD0AvAHAotW

Aron has compiled a series of 34 videos so far, tracing human evolution from bacteria to the current day... after 34 videos, he is almost up to where humans evolved... almost

Why would you even expect science to have every answer to every question?  Is that a reasonable expectation?
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