This thread makes me  (one of the few in this forum). I'm so glad I'm able to help so many of you out! For now, I'm going to continue sending information privately via PM rather than posting like I thought I might. It seems to be working for people so lets keep it going! (I'll save my rant on BFL for when everyone who needs help has been helped) We salute you sir! Good work. |
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Here is some free advice Josh,
Instead of coding chip vouchers, classified sections to transfer orders here is something you can work on for something I like to call increased (or in your case an attempt to salvage..) customer satisfaction.
Create a mining pool for BFL customers who are still waiting for their hardware,
load it with wallet addresses that we each put into our user profile.
Put everyone in the pool.
Burn in all the BFL gear to that pool, so we can split the earnings,
and while you are at it, throw 10 Mini-Rigs into the pool as a show of good faith.
When you ship our orders leave us in the pool until you have really cleared the backlog.
What would that cost you? Bigger question what would that gain you?
These are the things us real world C Suite people do.
Actually sounds like a novel idea... |
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Don't mind him, his idea of profitability can be a negative ROI.
Most people wouldn't consider 1 or 2...or yes even 3 dollars a day to be profitable. They could probably go to a store pick up any pack of menthols and sell them on a street corner for 25cents a piece. Only then would they gather the quarters to get some clues and some common sense.
If at 100mil it is showing only 3 dollars a day in profitability...well...then it is no longer profitable. Period.
Edit: I mean sure, you could give your kids some lunch money at that point, but then you wouldn't have any profit to speak of...
If its $3 a day, that's only for 10 days, then diff changes again and now its $2 a day, then another 10 days and its $1 a day. Just remember you paid $274 for it. In Josh's head if you get to $274.01 in 3 years. You are profitable and his conscience is clear. The only way it drops to $2 in 10 days is if difficulty spikes up to 165million which would be ~500TH added to the network tomorrow. To get to $1 it'd then need to spike up to 330million difficulty or adding another 1.5PH to the network. But hey, it COULD happen. You seem skeptical. 112 Million in difficulty as of a few minutes ago. The next jump should be anywhere from 128 million (15%) up to 145 million (30%). (In just the next 10 days) Why are you avoiding the obvious? |
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Yep,
That is why you should not listen to the guy trying to grab your money at the car dealership....err I mean online at BFL forums....err I mean on BitCoinTalk...
Fuck it, just don't trust him anywhere or anywhen...or under any condition.
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Damn, it only dropped to .3 BTC per day per 70GH/s. Well, at least that puts me at only 3 days off the previous prediction.
Anyone know the specs on a CoinTerra? Would love to do some charts...
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BCP, you are harshing the FUD and misinformation mellow that people like Loredo like to comfort themselves with.
For anyone with half a brain and second grade math skills, though, all BFL products are profitable to 900+ million difficulty at .15c KW/h @ $120/BTC. If the price of BTC is above $120, it's profitable even higher. Yes, at 900 million difficulty, profit margins would be ridiculously thin, but it's still within the profitability threshold that Loredo is trying to convince people is happening at 1/9th of the actual difficulty level (and remember, that's at $120/BTC).
Profitability clock does not start until the Postman delivers. That is what the majority of your customers are waiting for. Want to change the date again? July 7th
April 30thWhat's next? Don't mind him, his idea of profitability can be a negative ROI. Most people wouldn't consider 1 or 2...or yes even 3 dollars a day to be profitable. They could probably go to a store pick up any pack of menthols and sell them on a street corner for 25cents a piece. Only then would they gather the quarters to get some clues and some common sense. If at 100mil it is showing only 3 dollars a day in profitability...well...then it is no longer profitable. Period. OMG... Did you just give away your whole business plan?  Now what are you going to do with all the competition? Wanna buy a cig? It will only cost you, your very uncommon sense. From mining to cigs...yes folks...that is the plan at BFL. Expect cig prices to crash in the near future at a bitcoin miner near you! |
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BCP, you are harshing the FUD and misinformation mellow that people like Loredo like to comfort themselves with.
For anyone with half a brain and second grade math skills, though, all BFL products are profitable to 900+ million difficulty at .15c KW/h @ $120/BTC. If the price of BTC is above $120, it's profitable even higher. Yes, at 900 million difficulty, profit margins would be ridiculously thin, but it's still within the profitability threshold that Loredo is trying to convince people is happening at 1/9th of the actual difficulty level (and remember, that's at $120/BTC).
Profitability clock does not start until the Postman delivers. That is what the majority of your customers are waiting for. Want to change the date again? July 7th
April 30thWhat's next? Don't mind him, his idea of profitability can be a negative ROI. Most people wouldn't consider 1 or 2...or yes even 3 dollars a day to be profitable. They could probably go to a store pick up any pack of menthols and sell them on a street corner for 25cents a piece. Only then would they gather the quarters to get some clues and some common sense. If at 100mil it is showing only 3 dollars a day in profitability...well...then it is no longer profitable. Period. Edit: I mean sure, you could give your kids some lunch money at that point, but then you wouldn't have any profit to speak of... |
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Any word if the CoinTerra chips specs have been nailed down? I would like to make a similar prediction for their miner as well.
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This is a prediction made on 6/14/2013 of where the income from a 70gh/s Avalon should be in the future. The drift can be seen as green shows what block of time should occupy that income. The green which highlights the current date.  Hopefully, the next difficulty correction puts my prediction back on track in the next 24 hours. 3 Months later and it is pretty much spot on though, which is a bad thing. |
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I feel this is a lucrative bussiness deal. Help people get their money back , recieve a cut. Heck even bfl could get into this  Nothing of the sort. Lajz99 is helping without taking a cut. Thanks again Lajz99! Don't forget to offer a tip! |
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Sounds like we'll be able to get an Avalon ASIC unit for 239 dollars next year. Pretty impressive progress.
Thats what is crossing my mind as well. As well as the possibility that BlackArrow is leaking details on Avalons Gen 2. Notice he is avoiding the question of whether these are Avalon ASIC chips in development? Edit: Have to admit, I haven't run the numbers yet, but 3999$ for 1300Gh/s sounds like a good deal. |
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Black Arrow has a proven record of successfully manufacturing and delivering Bitcoin mining hardware on schedule at competitive prices.
I would say that is not exactly true. Are you sourcing the ASIC chip from Avalon? Or are you making your own ASIC chip? |
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anyone tried relocating the PDU to accomodate longer PSUs?
Yes, I did with the Corsair AX1200i. It works fine. I simply used two zip ties and placed it vertically against one side of the case. |
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I suppose this would be a bad time to point out that they DO have their equipment FCC tested?
You mean other than specific components? Show us the links to their FCC approval (for an entire unit) or even a test report. Otherwise, I must call BS. |
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I would rather see evidence then hear about his epiphany.
I'd suggest you politely ask Josh for a tour then. Tour the dungeon? Thats crazy! |
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It's not that what you're saying is wrong, it's that this is not the place for it.
Alright, then you could have said so. I'll take it elsewhere, as long as people like erk aren't too dumbfounded by the obvious. Many people here are painfully aware of what a shitty situation they are in, but it is what it is, and it's not clear why you feel the need to rub it in the faces of those suffering the consequences of poor decisions they've made. I just reacted to a very dumb comment made by someone else. This is a thread about a board that is being designed to run chips that have already, at least in part, been paid for. Either contribute to this discussion in a useful way or don't contribute at all, but coming on here to rub people's faces in their losses and de-rail a useful thread about hardware R&D is not on.
Thanks, I will take my point and place it elsewhere. |
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This in not my order but I would just like anyone to know that impossible looks to be possible. BFL on time  So you know that you are not wait for noting (like in Avalon case) and you will need MrTeal or any other(my ) board... Uh, you do realize that customer are getting chips that "do" about 2.4 GH/s correct? If this were a good thing, then no one in the community would be chasing [a single] 28nm ASIC that do about 200Gh/s to 500Gh/s. The customer should ?*rejoice*? about what again? Getting obsolete hardware at a very high price?? Explain it to me... Oh sweet Jesus. There is no thread that is Troll free. PuertoLibre should be banned from the forums, if I were an admin he would be for trolling, he is obvious spreading FUD, on one hand he is critical about a chips that has shipped 100/s of TH/s worth, on the other hand he praises a chip that has shipped none. Erk, until recently there were more than 10 people advocating you be removed from the forums. So I would not speak too loudly. As for the 100Th/s, because those 100Th/s [multiplied by 9] have shipped, the chip itself has become obsolete. I would have said the same thing of an ASICMiner chip or an Avalon chip. Gen 1 is obsolete in the current platform designs. (Obsolete = Nearing or has passed the line of Not being Profitable to run) Could you revamp the platform to scale these chips massively? Probably. But you would always run into limits of the chips cost vs the electricity cost vs the ROI. Notice I am talking about substance. Not just a wild claim. You often used to cheerlead on no substance. ========================= Edit: I am not trying to "start anything" I just read a stupid comment...and reacted to it. Apparently you didn't like that. People were plenty angry that a 300Mh/s chip sold at ~0.08btc (Avalon) was delivered "too late" just weeks ago. The same kind of logic applies to a BFL chip that was just about equally priced on a per-Gh/s to dollar ratio. I am only guilty of pointing out the obvious. |
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