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1501  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Qt Bitcoin Trader [Open Source secure trading client for Mac/Windows/Linux] on: June 11, 2015, 08:54:28 PM
I was looking at the programming built into QT bitcoin and making a sheet that helps me bring into focus my program. But I see that the way things are labeled don't appear to make much sense.

Example:

Full Size Link: https://i.imgur.com/aFfu6Ne.png
1502  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: BFL fucked us over again (redux) on: June 11, 2015, 01:48:48 AM
Actually, he is right, but the context is wrong.

If you sell GH/s by the piece meal, yes, you can make money off your customers. No matter what happens, BFL got yours.

Now if you are the one buying it, then no, like Luke-Jr (Top [Paid] BFL Bitcoin developer) said, you'll never make any money.



I'd challenge BFL to show that any single customer has made a positive return on their purchase of "Mining by the GH/s" product in the last year of it going live.
A strict easy to understand example.

A set amount of USD goes into their "Mining by the GH/s" product and the result is any positive return on that investment in mining for the customer.

What is a positive return?
Let me define that for those with ample weasel words to shoot off.
It means if I invest $200, by the end of my invested contract of 1 year, I got at least $200 which I invested and more than 1 cent from mining. Simple and easy to understand.

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We all absolutely know they will never (EVER) do this publicly, because it won't happen with what BFL is selling at their current price point.
Josh himself hinted in various open comments online that they couldn't have shipped volume and still made their customer happy with respect to the difficulty. He already knew since that time, that they were pretty much selling a pipe dream. (In my opinion)

This was very obviously contrary to his earlier discourse aimed at customers on this and other forums where he openly asserted that people would make a positive return on their investments. I still remember the many times he said that on just this forum alone.

Does anyone else remember all those times he said that as an employee working at BFL and hawking their products?

1503  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: BFL fucked us over again (redux) on: June 11, 2015, 01:35:31 AM
 Cheesy

I knew he would fill in the gap. Admitting that you can't make money on their "Mining by the Gh/s" product is just bad fodder for the lawyers.



Just goes to show you they still do read this thread every day.
1504  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: BFL fucked us over again (redux) on: June 10, 2015, 05:23:28 AM
Tip from the bloggersphere received.

Top BFL developer (Luke-Jr) and Bitcoin enthusiast releases terrible news on the status of mining by the GH/s!



Note that Nitrowolf (aka Josh/Inaba) does not refute this.

Source link: http://redd.it/392jhc
Unmodified screen capture: https://i.imgur.com/CFP7BZF.png

1505  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: BFL fucked us over again (redux) on: June 09, 2015, 12:25:55 AM
In contrast to my previous posts, I'm not planning on spending much space in this one proving that Butterfly Labs should think twice before it decides to introduce absurd, baseless, terror-ridden lawsuits intended to destroy the lives of countless innocent people. Most people already seem to understand that. Instead, I'll be discussing its sophomoric, confused arguments and how it uses them to destroy any resistance by channeling it into ineffective paths. For complete details, I refer you to many already existing threads on that. I shall here mention only a few random items that may be new or especially interesting to you. For instance, if we're not careful, its pretentious mind games will throw us into a third world war in a matter of days.

Given a choice of having Butterfly Labs install a feudal enclave in the midst of the Bitcoin space that pledges allegiance to its deplorable phalanx of reprehensible, ill-tempered soi-disant do-badders or having my bicuspids extracted sans Novocaine, I would embrace the pliers, purchase some Polident Partials, and call it a day. Butterfly Labs's campaigns of terror are a mere cavil, a mere scarecrow, one of the last shifts of a desperate and dying cause. Butterfly Labs occasionally shows what appears to be warmth, joy, love, or compassion. You should realize, however, that these positive expressions are more feigned than experienced and invariably serve an ulterior motive, such as to subject people to daily verbal, behavioral, and environmental indignities. Griping about Butterfly Labs will not make it stop trying to start wars, ruin the environment, invent diseases, and routinely do a hundred other things that kill people. But even if it did, it would just find some other way to disparage and ridicule our traditional heroes and role models. If Butterfly Labs got its way, it'd be able to lay all of society open to the predations of organized criminality. Brrrr! It sends chills down my spine just thinking about that.

We must reveal some shocking facts about Butterfly Labs's ballyhoos. If we do, then perhaps a brighter day will dawn on planet Earth. Perhaps people will open their eyes and see that in this world, there are twisted, stupid blusterers. There are undiplomatic nithings. There are scum who walk like men. And then there is Butterfly Labs. Of those, I avouch that Butterfly Labs is the most malignant because it's doing some pretty self-centered things. Or, to restate that without meiosis, Butterfly Labs wants to exercise both subtlety and thoroughness in managing both the Bitcoins and miners that gets presented to us. Personally, I don't want that. Personally, I prefer freedom. If you also prefer freedom then you should be working with me to answer the ill-bred boors who promote a form of government in which religious freedom, racial equality, and individual liberty are severely at risk.

The concept of risk includes the relationship between the consequences and probability of an event. If the consequences of an event are extremely negative, such as the devastation resulting from Butterfly Labs mollycoddling loopy twits, then you want the probability of the event occurring to be vanishingly small, as close to zero as possible. Unfortunately, the likelihood of Butterfly Labs playing on people's conscious and unconscious belief structures is so high that one can't help but conclude that it has been brought to my attention that within the deleterious milieu of mammonism exists the opportunity for it to goad querimonious, rebarbative-to-the-core lip flappers into hurling epithets at its critics. While this is unequivocally true, it has nothing but contempt for you, and you don't even know it. That's why I feel obligated to inform you that what's scary is that it has had some success at taking away our sense of community and leaving us morally adrift. Even worse, it seems likely that Butterfly Labs will launch a salvo of pushy propositions against the somber, oppressed masses in the near future if it so deigns to undermine solemn humanity. Although things may seem dark now, Butterfly Labs can't prevent the sun from rising. It can't prevent me from writing that its cause is not glorious. It is not wonderful. It is not good.

Butterfly Labs and its expositors are, by nature, insipid rabble-rousers. Not only can that nature not be changed by window-dressing or persiflage, but Butterfly Labs bites the hand that feeds it. Please re-read and memorize that sentence if you still believe that Butterfly Labs is a refined organization with the soundest ethics and morals you can imagine.

All I can tell you is what matters to me: Butterfly Labs likes ruses that implement a fickle parody of justice called “Butterfly Labs-ism”. Could there be a conflict of interest there? If you were to ask me, I'd say that Butterfly Labs has repeatedly indicated a desire to exhibit cruelty to bitcoiners. Is that the sound of rarefied respectability that Butterfly Labs's apple-polishers so frequently attribute to Butterfly Labs? The reckless blathering of a conniving goldbrick is more like it. In fact, Butterfly Labs's grand plan is to bring discord, confusion, and frustration into our personal and public lives. I'm sure Mao Tse Tung would approve. In any case, Butterfly Labs deeply believes that everyone who is inviting all the people who have been harmed by Butterfly Labs to continue to express and assert their concerns in a constructive and productive fashion has a dark, ulterior motive for doing so. It may suit Butterfly Labs's world view to assume that the intentions of its castigators are malicious, but unless it can read minds, it's difficult to impossible for anyone to verify that assumption. Hence, let me make the counterproposal that the reality is that it frequently accuses its detractors of funding a vast web of vainglorious, petty quodlibetarians (in the most ironic fashion!), warped, frightful half-wits, and the most barbaric grobians you'll ever see. This is yet another example of the growing lack of civility in our civil discourse that ranges from the volage-brained to the cynical and even grumpy. In a more proper debate, one would instead politely point out that over the past couple of years I have had occasion to evaluate Butterfly Labs's sottises in terms of their ability to kill the goose bearing the golden egg. What I have delineated shows, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that trying to keep Butterfly Labs from reducing our modern, civilized, industrialized society to a state of mindless, primitive barbarism is a sucker's game. No matter how hard we try to stop it, it'll always find some new way to waste our time and money.

Butterfly Labs may attempt to insist that only one or two members of its entire entourage are vile lobcocks. Only one or two members? This is, to put it charitably, an understatement of the facts. It would be far more accurate to say that Butterfly Labs keeps saying that without its superior guidance, we will go nowhere. This is exemplary of the nonsensical rhetoric and scaremongering that typifies the language of officious ingrates and other dysfunctional, overweening kooks. A large number of people are immensely outraged at Butterfly Labs. Butterfly Labs should ask itself what it has done to incur such wrath. One possibility is that Butterfly Labs is interpersonally exploitative. That is, it takes advantage of others to achieve its own maledicent ends. Why does it do that? The answer should be self-evident so let me just point out that I personally am growing weary of Butterfly Labs's repeated claims that it is a paragon of morality and wisdom. Here, I invoke the Royal Society's famous motto, Nullius in verba: take no one's word for it. That is, we should rely not on opinions but on objective information as has been made available in this forum to determine whether or not Butterfly Labs's remonstrations are dotty by any measure. Given that they're intended to create a factitious demand for Butterfly Labs's inarticulate grievances, they come close to being a crime.

Butterfly Labs' superficial, froward diatribes are a shout to the world that, any day now, Butterfly Labs will advocate its Ponzi schemes amid a hue and cry as mendacious as it is avaricious. In this case, one cannot help but recall that Butterfly Labs's reportages are all too often clad in the lazy garb of Comstockism. I hardly need to add that its crew loves befuddling the public and making sin seem like merely a sophisticated fashion. This is nothing less than a betrayal of the many by the few. Needless to say, we must expose some of Butterfly Labs's beggarly, piteous deeds. If we fail then all of our sacrifices and all of the dreams and sacrifices of our forebears will have been in vain. The key is to realize that Butterfly Labs keeps trying to deceive us into thinking that it would never dream of converting freedom of speech from a human right into a tool of oppression that must be blunted by force. The purpose of this deception may be to impose orthodoxy and suppress dissent. Oh what a tangled web Butterfly Labs weaves when first it practices to deceive.

Okay, I've written enough for one post, so let me just finish by saying that the world would be better off if Butterfly Labs had never been created.
1506  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: BFL fucked us over again (redux) on: June 08, 2015, 03:52:20 PM
Well, I don't mind that Jody takes the fall for Josh. I mean, the woman is an enlightened being. She can take one for the team. Not like she has much of a choice either on this matter.

If she sells her ranch I am sure someone will donate a new one. I mean that is how it works with people who have as much karma credit power as her.

But I would like my cake and to be able to eat it too? Justice is said to be blind and armed with a double edged sword. I just want to have her swinging like one of those spartans out of 300.

1507  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: BTC-e irregularity on: June 08, 2015, 04:02:22 AM
I wonder how the other exchanges feel about BTC-e's price being higher than theirs. Surely that has to be creating quite the backflow of funds?

So far the price is going lower, which indicates that USD is being moved out of the exchange and/or Bitcoins are flowing into BTC-e.
Are there alternatives to pulling out USD from BTC-e without using their web interface?
I assume if you are a bigger player with more than 1000 BTC you'd likely know the back-end system to moving currency outside the normal channels. (all speculation)

If that were the case there should be some kind of developing sign that will make it clear in the short term.

As of this writing, these are the ask and bids.

1508  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: BTC-e irregularity on: June 07, 2015, 01:02:39 AM
Another alternative we could collectively employ is simply converting to Bitcoin or "whatever altcoin" and then move it to another exchange.
So you'd only lose the fees from transferring and then maybe two conversions.

It's either that or wait a while to "buy out" in coins at some point in the future.

Edit: I have been doing a bit of math, and if there are less bitcoins on the exchange in question (BTC-e) then the value for each Bitcoin would be higher than normal. Which is what the OP pointed out. So it may be an indicator that Bitcoins are being pulled out at (possibly) an abnormal rate? I dunno. Just a possibility.

If that were so, the USD price per coin should continue to rise over the next week. Effectively making people prisoners while holding USD?
1509  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: BTC-e irregularity on: June 07, 2015, 12:57:08 AM
Like Gox, it is better to be safe and not sorry.

Edit: I am personally waiting till Litecoin or Bitcoin is low enough that I can pull out the rest from BTC-e.
The retarded thing about this situation is there is going to be a ton of people doing that very same thing.
Which just makes things all that much harder to deal with.
1510  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: BTC-e irregularity on: June 07, 2015, 12:56:31 AM
I honestly, do not like the "signs" and just to be safe I would pull out.

It's not a scare tactic, just find what you can convert to that is more or less stable and keep it in that coin until you think the signs are prognosticating a better picture.
1511  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: BFL fucked us over again (redux) on: June 07, 2015, 12:37:09 AM
I actually warned Jody Drake about the behavior of their employee. She revised the incident after being made aware and more or less couldn't see the problem. So she can't plead ignorance. Too many witnesses.
1512  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: BFL fucked us over again (redux) on: June 06, 2015, 07:41:53 AM
So, what did you witness over the last three years?

Maybe we will be quoted in a magazine about the recently defunct BFL?
1513  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: BFL fucked us over again (redux) on: June 06, 2015, 07:38:47 AM
To this day, I often wonder what the FTC thinks about all the shenanigans attempted by BFL to stop the irreversibly inevitable?

I believe:
They lost their customers due to bad business practices.
They lost their customers due to non-delivery in a reasonable time period.
They lied, and at times made it difficult for folks to walk away with refunds.
They entrapped customers with promises after promises.
Always setting a shifting date as to fulfillment and then brokering new deals with customers when they kept failing.
Collapsed/Harassed other Bitcoin businesses with shady representative of their own product when in reality at times they were in a non-delivery state.

I could go on all night. We all know there are shit loads of witnesses to everything BFL did.

Anyway, thats what I thought I saw during the last three years on Bitcointalk. I may be wrong, but it is my first amendment right to express my opinion as I see it.

 Cheesy
1514  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: BFL fucked us over again (redux) on: June 06, 2015, 07:27:54 AM
Wow, their bullshit never ceases to impress.

But it never hurts to try...anything


1515  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: ButterflyLabs - Refund after raid on: June 03, 2015, 02:53:57 AM
I haven't seen a dime from them, just empty words.  They owe me well over 8K with nothing to show for it.  Scam!!!

Call Helen Wong and Sonny's probation officer, especially the latter. The probation officer is in place to make sure that the public is safe from Sonny ripping off more people like the tens of millions of dollars he stole and used for his personal affairs garnered from mostly the elderly here in the US.
Got an office or phone number we can call?
1516  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: BFL fucked us over again (redux) on: June 03, 2015, 02:53:00 AM
im pretty sure the EMC pool is still in their ownership right?

I mean he made it seperate from the whole BFL crap, unless they owe so much money they need to do it.
As far as anyone knows, EMC is still a property of BFL. And that includes the (Hot|Cold) Bitcoin wallets.
1517  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: BFL fucked us over again (redux) on: May 27, 2015, 05:48:15 PM
Could you guys work faster at dismantling EMC Pool? (owned by the now defunct BFL)

I want to get pics of it going down the drain and hitting zero miners before the end of the month. Thanks.

eclipsemc.com



Compare with the 25th's of May.

https://eclipsemc.com/

I just took this.

Take a look, the day I posted the Band of Meme's pic, the EMC site had close to a hundred extra miners that are now missing.
I can only assume either 100 mining units walked away or it is being dismantled as we speak.

Edit: Lets hope Josh will pay the server bill at the end of the month. (Like he apparently did last November/December when people were messing with him over his Military career and he allowed the BFL site to lapse.) I would hate to see the claims if they don't let people drain the hot/cold wallet before then.
1518  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: BFL fucked us over again (redux) on: May 27, 2015, 05:41:48 PM
gleb dont mind, what do you do for a living?
Looks like you just spammed a ton of messages today from this relatively new account just to get into this section. In other words, like someone from BFL.
1519  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: BFL fucked us over again (redux) on: May 26, 2015, 03:20:25 AM
https://eclipsemc.com/

I just took this.

Take a look, the day I posted the Band of Meme's pic, the EMC site had close to a hundred extra miners that are now missing.
I can only assume either 100 mining units walked away or it is being dismantled as we speak.

Edit: Lets hope Josh will pay the server bill at the end of the month. (Like he apparently did last November/December when people were messing with him over his Military career and he allowed the BFL site to lapse.) I would hate to see the claims if they don't let people drain the hot/cold wallet before then.
1520  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: BFL fucked us over again (redux) on: May 26, 2015, 03:11:08 AM
Well, I will be the first to say that at least now we know BFL was indeed holding their craigslist garage sale at an opportune time. Considering they have laid off staff according to the informal sources.

Does this all mean that BFL knew they were about to close doors and did nothing to let customers know?

That would be very disturbing behavior right?

Wait, Eclipse Mining Consortium, a property of BFL (if I am not mistaken) is still operational. (for how long?...at least till the end of the month?)

Will Josh/BFL honor any funds owed to it's creditors or account holders?

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What does this mean for Cloud Mining Contracts? I guess we all know that there are many unfortunate souls who are about to lose their mining contracts. I guess it goes without saying. If you didn't show up at BFL's HQ and demand your refund, you are now clearly out of luck.

P.S. I also suspect and think at times that BFL is behind the hack. Like OP, I think they probably hired someone to hack the site? Reason is, everytime I have posted some truly embarrassing info/events, the site mysteriously goes offline. Coincidence? The last one being related to the closing of BFL's HQ. Right on time, poof, BitcoinTalk.org goes down.



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